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[Wartortle]

sup nerds

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VOTE: heip 5 feels awkward as hell

[Wartortle]

the deadlines are 10 days long

i'm used to 10 minute long deadlines bro i don't got the attention span for this

[Wartortle]

god i don't like day start. it's just useless crap, like bro i want a detective to get a guilty on a busboy, i want a freeloader to cc cop and get condemned, i want a marksman to shoot a claimed seer. i don't want none of this "vanilla townie" crap

[Wartortle]

Actually, VOTE: Wartortle.

VOTE: heip 5 feels awkward as hell

VOTE: Tortle

how will i ever live

[Wartortle]

VOTE: DragonEater70

24 was really bad and I don't see a town motivation to post it.

this reasoning only works if dragoneater is crap at playing scum

[Wartortle]

VOTE: DragonEater70

24 was really bad and I don't see a town motivation to post it.

DE's normally like that, I don't think 24 is alignment indicative

24 also caught my eye on my initial readthrough (though not to the same intensity as Wartortle is making out). But unless you're bold enough to defend your partner's bad page one post on page two, I'll take this as face value.

So, what else? Wartortle scum for continuing to push this narrative even when there's new evidence to work against it?

VOTE: Wartortle

in what universe am i pushing the narrative that DE is scum for 24???

[Wartortle]

Wartortle are you an alt or do you come from a different site? you come across as much more experienced than your post count would indicate.

i played a bit on epicmafia and mafia.gg in 2020/2021. i'm p sure i had an account here in 2021 and signed up for a newbie but idk my account name anymore

[Wartortle]

VOTE: outworld

[Wartortle]

actually no

VOTE: theholdsteady

[Wartortle]

So, what else? Outworlder scum for continuing to push this narrative even when there's new evidence to work against it?

this does not make sense.

in 32 OWER calls dragon scum for self-consciousness

in 33, python says that's normal for town dragon

in 34, OWER can't find town dragon doing something similarly self-conscious

then, THS says that OWER is scum because OWER in 34 would have dropped his bad line of reasoning instead of elaborating and looking at dragon's past game

this is a bad argument.

i do not find python's evidence in 33 convincing enough to make OWER's 34 seem idiotic or scummy, and i do not like how THS tries to frame 33 as completely convincingly refuting OWER's case on dragon.

[Wartortle]

Tortle, walk me through these votes

i saw 59 and it failed the vibe check so i voted OWER

i then went back to THS' case and realized that it sucked

[Wartortle]

Anyone here?

sup

[Wartortle]

Afrayed, how are you feeling about TheHoldSteady right now? I feel like y’all have similar playstyles, so you might have a better insight into this push than I do.

absolutely transparent scum buddying

[Wartortle]

either wizzler is super new to mafia and genuinely has thought processes like this as town, or wizzy is new but not

super

new to mafia and tries to badly pocket affrayed like this as scum

[Wartortle]

the question itself that's made in 71 will never lead to anything productive, it depends if wiz has the ability as town to recognize this

[Wartortle]

either wizzler is super new to mafia and genuinely has thought processes like this as town, or wizzy is new but not

super

new to mafia and tries to badly pocket affrayed like this as scum

In the game that I played with Wiz recently, he was scum and made a lot of posts like that. I wanted to wait and see if he made more posts that reminded me of that game instead of immediately pointing it out though

would he have illogical posts like that as town too?

[Wartortle]

the question itself that's made in 71 will never lead to anything productive, it depends if wiz has the ability as town to recognize this

I don't get it, it's easier to read people with similar playstyles as you so how is 71 unproductive

uhh maybe. i'll defer to your judgement because i'm not a huge forum mafia dude

[Wartortle]

Anyway, while I don't think THS's wagon is NECESSARILY scum motivated, I do think it's >rand that there would be at least one scum who voted them (regardless of THS's alignment), simply because that's how early game wagons work. I like Wartortle, I hate myself but know am not scum*, I semi-like Pythin and I'm trying to pocket Naerys.

lazy ass reads

[Wartortle]

will i get townread if i post stuff that vaguely sounds like content a lot

on the chat mafia sites i played on that was true

[Wartortle]

Also Wiz could definitely be scum here.

This is pretty spicy

this is the least spicy take i have seen in my life

[Wartortle]

Spoiler:

So, what else? Outworlder scum for continuing to push this narrative even when there's new evidence to work against it?

this does not make sense.

in 32 OWER calls dragon scum for self-consciousness

in 33, python says that's normal for town dragon

in 34, OWER can't find town dragon doing something similarly self-conscious

then, THS says that OWER is scum because OWER in 34 would have dropped his bad line of reasoning instead of elaborating and looking at dragon's past game

this is a bad argument.

i do not find python's evidence in 33 convincing enough to make OWER's 34 seem idiotic or scummy, and i do not like how THS tries to frame 33 as completely convincingly refuting OWER's case on dragon.

THS seems suspicious indeed

Like this just gives off bad vibes, feels like she wants to push THS without calling wartle town

why would ths being scum necessitate me being town? why would naerys be expected to call me town there?

[Wartortle]

I just feel like Wartortle is trying to do a lot of persuading very early off of very little, which could be a playstyle thing… but as of now, best scumread I have.

i'm tryna post a lot so that people will respond to me and give me more content to read from, no?

anyways wiz's logic is crap but he's town

inexperienced and unsure scum are gonna cower in the face of someone trying to be a town leader like me, especially if i'm already scumreading them

[Wartortle]

Hi, All VLA as it’s the weekend, I see this has picked up, so will read it tomorrow night and get my thoughts down. Had a quick skim and seen at least one question to me about THS. Back to watching rugby and drinking special
beverages…. Cheers all

go springboks!

[Wartortle]

THS raging, calling everybody dumb and self voting felt really townie.

yeah it is, unfortunately

i'm gonna VOTE: python

[Wartortle]

Spoiler:

So, what else? Outworlder scum for continuing to push this narrative even when there's new evidence to work against it?

this does not make sense.

in 32 OWER calls dragon scum for self-consciousness

in 33, python says that's normal for town dragon

in 34, OWER can't find town dragon doing something similarly self-conscious

then, THS says that OWER is scum because OWER in 34 would have dropped his bad line of reasoning instead of elaborating and looking at dragon's past game

this is a bad argument.

i do not find python's evidence in 33 convincing enough to make OWER's 34 seem idiotic or scummy, and i do not like how THS tries to frame 33 as completely convincingly refuting OWER's case on dragon.

THS seems suspicious indeed

Like this just gives off bad vibes, feels like she wants to push THS without calling wartle town

why would ths being scum necessitate me being town? why would naerys be expected to call me town there?

I mean if someones making cases you agree with that should make them townier in your eyes, I think the vibe feels off more because she avoids saying anything about you here

yeah i do not get the same feeling as u

[Wartortle]

BUT you are towny regardless

y

[Wartortle]

i like 212 and i'm tempted to townbin ths for it. i also feel like scum smiley would probably want to scumread ths in this situation

[Wartortle]

This is such a useless question to ask and it's making me feel Wiz is just trying to appear like he's solving and engaging, but doesn't have any real intent behind it.

i thought so too but i could see that question coming from the model i have of wiz in my head rn

[Wartortle]

you all probably know better ani better than i do so i'll vote along with the scumcase

[Wartortle]

I vibe with stuff like 37, 102, 199-200 as posts which contribute to the game state

i guess? i don't quite see why any of that stuff isn't fakeable tho

[Wartortle]

a lot of wiz's posts are frankly baffling, and yeah, i get why ower's case is valid, i think ower is probably town for it,

however

i could see inexperienced/unsure town making those posts

VOTE: dragoneater70

[Wartortle]

Just for the record, this is the post I typed out earlier (before I fell asleep):

VOTE: Wiz

I just don't see anything towny about him. I'm not saying the slot *screams* "scum", but I feel I could towncase literally everyone in this game except Wiz, Enchant and Hu Tao. And Hu Tao has made 2 posts. And Enchant is Enchant.

i think de is scum trying to push a vulnerable slot for bad reasons

[Wartortle]

Just for the record, this is the post I typed out earlier (before I fell asleep):

VOTE: Wiz

I just don't see anything towny about him. I'm not saying the slot *screams* "scum", but I feel I could towncase literally everyone in this game except Wiz, Enchant and Hu Tao. And Hu Tao has made 2 posts. And Enchant is Enchant.

i think de is scum trying to push a vulnerable slot for bad reasons

I'm curious what you think those bad reasons are because DE's sounded reasonable on the last page to me. I think it's important to remember we're only like 14 pages and a few days into D1 with 6 days or so still remaining in the deadline. I could definitely understand if DE didn't have many definitive scumreads at this point and is simply pushing the person he finds least towny.

I'm also curious on your viewpoint that Wiz is inexperienced town rather than scum because in my experience Wiz is playing mostly how inexperienced/unsure scum play. Half-hearted attempts to try and fake solving the game and then crumbling when a townie challenges him on it.

i wasn't making a good distinction between newbie town and newbie scum actually

[Wartortle]

Is there anything super cool and exciting in the first 14 pages or is it just fluff?

some random stuff with dragon and ths and ower and me

[Wartortle]

Just for the record, this is the post I typed out earlier (before I fell asleep):

VOTE: Wiz

I just don't see anything towny about him. I'm not saying the slot *screams* "scum", but I feel I could towncase literally everyone in this game except Wiz, Enchant and Hu Tao. And Hu Tao has made 2 posts. And Enchant is Enchant.

i think de is scum trying to push a vulnerable slot for bad reasons

I'm curious what you think those bad reasons are because DE's sounded reasonable on the last page to me. I think it's important to remember we're only like 14 pages and a few days into D1 with 6 days or so still remaining in the deadline. I could definitely understand if DE didn't have many definitive scumreads at this point and is simply pushing the person he finds least towny.

I'm also curious on your viewpoint that Wiz is inexperienced town rather than scum because in my experience Wiz is playing mostly how inexperienced/unsure scum play. Half-hearted attempts to try and fake solving the game and then crumbling when a townie challenges him on it.

i wasn't making a good distinction between newbie town and newbie scum actually

309 is still bad

[Wartortle]

Hm… I think seeing how Roden reads everything up to this point and proceeds after will be great for clarifying some stuff on that slot—hopefully it’ll help y’all see what I’m seeing if multiple players act scummy in the same slot.

see i really want to townread wiz but posts like this just baffle me

[Wartortle]

i think we should leave wiz alive and drag him to the finish line

[Wartortle]

I think posts like

Spoiler:

THS raging, calling everybody dumb and self voting felt really townie.

yeah it is, unfortunately

i'm gonna VOTE: python

Why?



ALso, VOTE: Enchant
I really hated that entrance.

Can you elaborate on this? AFAIK Enchant seems to have a jokey NotMafia-esque vibe to them so gut instinct is that's an NAI entrance for them.

You are right, but I feel town!Enchant does make an effort to solve while scum Enchant doesn't. It's probably too early to judge, but honestly I expected town!Enchant to come in and vote someone and talk about how that person is obvscum, even if it was in a trollish way and with troll reasoning.

However that read is a weaker scumread than that that I just got on Wiz from asking that question.

are at like the edge of what he can do as scum, we're fine with letting Roden cook here

if that's at the edge of what he can do as scum then that's crazy ngl

[Wartortle]

i think we should leave wiz alive and drag him to the finish line

Why

cuz i think he's town

and if he's not town then he'll probably out himself as scum later

[Wartortle]

What about you?

Well... this feels like buddying scum
this post feels so off

What about you?

Well... this feels like buddying scum
this post feels so off

How?

It feels like " look how i am working with town to catch the scum", attempt to get some info and position urself into town reads

VOTE: naerys

i don't think town actually believes this and naerys' pushes this game have been for bad reasoning

[Wartortle]

I'm on page 8 and I think wartortle is scum for a few reasons.

1) He seems to be very concerned about presence and thread control. He keeps popping up with these rapid fire takes that don't really go anywhere. He's trying to fake the care free spewing thoughts playstyle of unconcerned town but if you dig to the bottom of these takes theres nothing there; no follow through, nothing. We don't see him pushing for his preferred narrative we just see takes. Takes and takes and takes.

2) I think he's playing up the whole "I'm new here" to a pretty comical degree and I think its a lie. I don't know whose alt this is but its definitely an alt.

the deadlines are 10 days long

i'm used to 10 minute long deadlines bro i don't got the attention span for this

god i don't like day start. it's just useless crap, like bro i want a detective to get a guilty on a busboy, i want a freeloader to cc cop and get condemned, i want a marksman to shoot a claimed seer. i don't want none of this "vanilla townie" crap

the question itself that's made in 71 will never lead to anything productive, it depends if wiz has the ability as town to recognize this

I don't get it, it's easier to read people with similar playstyles as you so how is 71 unproductive

uhh maybe. i'll defer to your judgement because i'm not a huge forum mafia dude

Give me a break, dude. You know what you're doing. You know forum mafia. Cut the crap.

This doesn't make tortle scum on their own but they're just very obviously lying about this. Read the rest of their posts.

VOTE: Wartortle

do you really want me to link my MU account that i haven’t played on in years

[Wartortle]

I'm on page 8 and I think wartortle is scum for a few reasons.

1) He seems to be very concerned about presence and thread control. He keeps popping up with these rapid fire takes that don't really go anywhere. He's trying to fake the care free spewing thoughts playstyle of unconcerned town but if you dig to the bottom of these takes theres nothing there; no follow through, nothing. We don't see him pushing for his preferred narrative we just see takes. Takes and takes and takes.

how does me pushing ths not count as me pushing for my preferred narrative, exactly? how does me pushing naerys not count as me pushing to get pressure on a slightly scummy slot? it makes no sense bro

i haven’t been the most active scum hunter of all time but you’re framing it as if it’s much bigger than it actually is

VOTE: thestatusquo

[Wartortle]

I'm on page 8 and I think wartortle is scum for a few reasons.

1) He seems to be very concerned about presence and thread control. He keeps popping up with these rapid fire takes that don't really go anywhere. He's trying to fake the care free spewing thoughts playstyle of unconcerned town but if you dig to the bottom of these takes theres nothing there; no follow through, nothing. We don't see him pushing for his preferred narrative we just see takes. Takes and takes and takes.

2) I think he's playing up the whole "I'm new here" to a pretty comical degree and I think its a lie. I don't know whose alt this is but its definitely an alt.

the deadlines are 10 days long

i'm used to 10 minute long deadlines bro i don't got the attention span for this

god i don't like day start. it's just useless crap, like bro i want a detective to get a guilty on a busboy, i want a freeloader to cc cop and get condemned, i want a marksman to shoot a claimed seer. i don't want none of this "vanilla townie" crap

the question itself that's made in 71 will never lead to anything productive, it depends if wiz has the ability as town to recognize this

I don't get it, it's easier to read people with similar playstyles as you so how is 71 unproductive

uhh maybe. i'll defer to your judgement because i'm not a huge forum mafia dude

Give me a break, dude. You know what you're doing. You know forum mafia. Cut the crap.

This doesn't make tortle scum on their own but they're just very obviously lying about this. Read the rest of their posts.

VOTE: Wartortle

do you really want me to link my MU account that i haven’t played on in years

no I want you to stop lying about not being an alt of a MS user

ok buddy that can be left as an exercise to the reader

[Wartortle]

Ok I have read the remaining pages

AnimatedWizard [4] : OutWorldER, Hu Tao, BlackStar, Roden

I think Annie feels pretty townie this game and I hate this wagon composition. OWER has been fine I think but I haven't liked much from the other 3 slots here. Hu Tao isn't doing anything, BlackStar seems to just be pushing things along in a really agenda driven way and I think his vote is the worst on the wagon, and then DE70 has pinged me quite a bit this game. With DE70 though I think I'm willing to hold off there for now. I have a history of not really liking his posts ever so I need to check my bias there

I would be ok voting for Hu/BS, but I think I want to sheep Shea right now. I agree that something feels off about about Wartortle. I don't like how he has interacted with the game so far and his townread on Wiz feels a little too on-the-fence for me with the constant repeating of how baffling his posts feel and how he could be newbscum. 333 doesn't feel good either

VOTE: Wartortle

yeah my read on ani is fence-sitty cuz i can’t read him but i was also p strongly townreading him earlier

[Wartortle]

Ok I have read the remaining pages

AnimatedWizard [4] : OutWorldER, Hu Tao, BlackStar, Roden

I think Annie feels pretty townie this game and I hate this wagon composition. OWER has been fine I think but I haven't liked much from the other 3 slots here. Hu Tao isn't doing anything, BlackStar seems to just be pushing things along in a really agenda driven way and I think his vote is the worst on the wagon, and then DE70 has pinged me quite a bit this game. With DE70 though I think I'm willing to hold off there for now. I have a history of not really liking his posts ever so I need to check my bias there

I would be ok voting for Hu/BS, but I think I want to sheep Shea right now. I agree that something feels off about about Wartortle. I don't like how he has interacted with the game so far and his townread on Wiz feels a little too on-the-fence for me with the constant repeating of how baffling his posts feel and how he could be newbscum. 333 doesn't feel good either

VOTE: Wartortle

yeah my read on ani is fence-sitty cuz i can’t read him but i was also p strongly townreading him earlier

Doesn't really seem like it to me

81 you said his post was "absolutely transparent scum buddying"
You ride the fence in 82
In 184 you said "Wiz could be scum" was the "least spicy take I have seen in my life"
186 you give a definitive "Wiz is town" for some reason
In 333 you say you don't know Annie well so you're down to vote for him, despite townreading him?
You ride the fence more in 364

To me your read here seems really flip-floppy and not in a natural townie way trying to figure him out. It feels like you have an agenda

what’s the difference between being flip floppy and being town trying to figure ani out when i don’t have a good read on him

[Wartortle]

Spoiler:

I think I'm leaning scum for you here

Hmmm. A quick skim over Steady's scum game here and I'm not seeing many similarities. I'm not going to rule out the possibility of Steady!scum based on a meta read but his play here seems less involved and thoughtful, like maybe he's more of a tryhard as scum? Would like to read a town game of his next

Steady's town game here feels more in line with his behavior this game. Slightly defensive, frustrated, annoyed. In his scum game it felt like he was more level-headed and played a type of mediator role. Obviously this doesn't mean much since I think good players can mimic their town game as scum, but I felt like pointing it out

Hmmm. A quick skim over Steady's scum game here and I'm not seeing many similarities. I'm not going to rule out the possibility of Steady!scum based on a meta read but his play here seems less involved and thoughtful, like maybe he's more of a tryhard as scum? Would like to read a town game of his next

I probably shouldn't be like this, but I'm pissy about being misread because in 1092 I had generally accurate reads but couldn't get enough grip on the game state because people wouldn't stop calling me scum

I understand this feeling and I get this way as town sometimes. This feels genuine enough

I think I'm comfortable leaning slightly town on you with this new information in my head

I like this progression

i do too and THS and probably Black are town for it - it doesn’t look like a pocket attempt either

[Wartortle]

I am not scum lol, stop pushing me smiley

smiley’s scum lean on you was hardly a push. he voted you on page 11 and barely mentioned you for 8 more pages until he put you as a scum lean in his readlist.

this is scum.

VOTE: naerys

[Wartortle]

blackstar's analysis on page 19 is questionable but it only's really AI if he's wolf w/me and obviously he's not

[Wartortle]

Does it seem to you like he's actually trying to make the lims he wants happen?

After rereading his ISO, I think you have a point about him not trying hard to push his reads through. Before I saw him as being willing to change his reads and adapt, but now it feels like he's just shifting his vote to anyone for weak reasons

@Wartortle

What's your current reads list?

good progression

town:
TheHoldSteady
SmileyDude1

leaning town:
BlackStar
OutWorldER

null:
Hu Tao
Black
Roden
usesPython

leaning scum:
Thestatusquo
Enchant

scum:
Naerys

dunno:
AnimatedWiz

[Wartortle]

blackstar's analysis on page 19 is questionable but it only's really AI if he's wolf w/me and obviously he's not

What is the point of this post

putting my thoughts out loud

[Wartortle]

blackstar's analysis on page 19 is questionable but it only's really AI if he's wolf w/me and obviously he's not

You're not considering a pocket attempt?

nah, i don't think scum are going to disagree with tsq for such bad reasons in that situation

[Wartortle]

blackstar's analysis on page 19 is questionable but it only's really AI if he's wolf w/me and obviously he's not

You're not considering a pocket attempt?

nah, i don't think scum are going to disagree with tsq for such bad reasons in that situation

I liked his progression on the read but town also aren't gonna deliberately have bad analysis so it seems weird to me that you're putting down the analysis as townie when you apparently found it questionable.

never said that town are gonna deliberately have bad analysis

[Wartortle]

I'm not sold on Naerys!scum but I think if Wartortle flips red then she could be a partner. Her putting Wartortle at the bottom of her readslist and then forgetting that she thinks he could be scum makes me feel like the read may have not been real. She didn't respond to my post asking her to join the Wartortle wagon and doesn't seem to be interested in voting there at all despite scumreading him. Like OWER mentioned I kinda want to give her the benefit of the doubt with the surgery and tiredness though

I've never played with Naerys but she's giving more LHF vibes than anything, and I don't mean that as an insult in any way. I think some players are just more likely to be pushed than others

didn't i push naerys tho

[Wartortle]

If you have a null section, why do you also have Wiz in his own separate section called dunno?

there's a difference cuz null is people who idc about either way but there are lot of reasons for wiz to be scum or town

[Wartortle]

i don't hate 551. her logic tracks with everything and i don't see any reaches in there - i also didn't notice the 266 and 241 progression earlier

[Wartortle]

blackstar's analysis on page 19 is questionable but it only's really AI if he's wolf w/me and obviously he's not

You're not considering a pocket attempt?

nah, i don't think scum are going to disagree with tsq for such bad reasons in that situation

I liked his progression on the read but town also aren't gonna deliberately have bad analysis so it seems weird to me that you're putting down the analysis as townie when you apparently found it questionable.

never said that town are gonna deliberately have bad analysis

Yeah so if neither town nor scum are gonna have a deliberately bad argument and it happens anyways then I don't get how you'd get anything AI from it

mm sure? i guess my point is that it didn't seem super agenda driven but what you're saying makes sense

[Wartortle]

tho 571 does track well

[Wartortle]

i skimmed through town Ower's iso in some bunnies game from 2022 and his tone was completely different to here

he lurked through the entire game, but he was quite analytical, moreso than in this game and his tone was different to this game

i don't think it's very convincing tho because he didn't have any games since 2021 before that

[Wartortle]

Wartortle: A self proclaimed town leader that I'm fine with town binning for now. Depending on flips, I could see him potentially being a power wolf, but it feels very unlikely.

re: the town leader thing at that time i was posting a lot and widely townread, i don't think scum who are being pressured will go ahead and scumread me

i'm not exactly a 'town leader' though

[Wartortle]

it read like panicked scum who was scrambling around all of the replace-ins. The fact he moved his vote later on solidifies this for me.

elaborate?

[Wartortle]

I'm not sold on Naerys!scum but I think if Wartortle flips red then she could be a partner. Her putting Wartortle at the bottom of her readslist and then forgetting that she thinks he could be scum makes me feel like the read may have not been real. She didn't respond to my post asking her to join the Wartortle wagon and doesn't seem to be interested in voting there at all despite scumreading him. Like OWER mentioned I kinda want to give her the benefit of the doubt with the surgery and tiredness though

I've never played with Naerys but she's giving more LHF vibes than anything, and I don't mean that as an insult in any way. I think some players are just more likely to be pushed than others

didn't i push naerys tho

Why should this clear her as your partner?

i never said that it clears me but it certainly makes me less likely to be her partner and i find it strange you didn't mention that

[Wartortle]

Sorry, I had trouble connecting to the site the last couple days. I had caught up when it was 15 pages and I'm just going to give my thoughts from there. As of now I'll be playing in the present and just catch up over the night phase.

Smiley: Seemed odd early on but I agreed with a lot of his posts. 210 and 353 are posts I especially liked and thought were townie.

Hu Tao: A lot of nothing for awhile, but I think that's townie for her judging by past experience. Which maybe sounds mean and I don't intend to mean it that way, but I've seen them be very active/proactive as scum and I don't think their attitude matches their scum games so far.

Naerys: I don't agree with most of the reasoning she's given for her reads. 152 is the only post I kinda like, but even then she only null reads Star later on, which is just off to me. I hate the Wartortle and Smiley reads.

Wiz: Idk why this player has been getting scum read, and I don't agree with the previous player in my slot. Wiz has been pretty solvey all game, and he's been one of the most active players. This game has been too inactive for scum to actively decide to put so much attention on themself like he has.

Wartortle: A self proclaimed town leader that I'm fine with town binning for now. Depending on flips, I could see him potentially being a power wolf, but it feels very unlikely.

Enchant: Pass.

Heip: Hard to follow what's going on with him, but he looks like lim bait. Going on the backburner for later.

Hold: I got genuine townie outrage from him and feel some empathy there. I think this is just town.

OWER: 345 rang alarm bells for me, it read like panicked scum who was scrambling around all of the replace-ins. The fact he moved his vote later on solidifies this for me.

Star: Has some LAMIST posts that I didn't like. I have a scum lean here but it's based mostly on vibes.

Knott: Nothing to comment on. I'm hoping Shea town tells.

Python: I like posts 125 and 327, I feel fine setting them aside as town.

VOTE: Naerys

this is extremely weak sauce especially about me. I've said a bunch of stuff, you didn't feel interested in talking about any of it? I'm generally town read right now so clearly other people already saw some "towntells" that you claim to be waiting for?

while it is one of the weakest sauce read lists i have ever seen, roden said he had only caught up to pg 15

[Wartortle]

i never said that it clears me but it certainly makes me less likely to be her partner and i find it strange you didn't mention that

I completely disagree with the assessment that you pushing her makes her less likely to be your partner

hm maybe it's a difference in philosophy of scumhunting but i still find it bad that you didn't mention that at all

[Wartortle]

UNVOTE: Hu Tao
VOTE: Wartortle

Since we are slowly running out of time, i believe this is the best course of action.
E-1

VOTE: Wartortle

really bro

[Wartortle]

dude there was 32 hours left

[Wartortle]

congrats on limming your vanilla cop i guess

[Wartortle]

im dead why the fuck would i fakeclaim

[Wartortle]

scum is some bullshit like roden/python/hu tao

[Wartortle]

im dead why the fuck would i fakeclaim

You missed point.

what fucking point???

[Wartortle]

im dead why the fuck would i fakeclaim

You missed point.

what fucking point???

Also vanilla cop suck

i can find villagers how is that useless

[Wartortle]

Can we talk about how it's not fun to play with Enchant

[Wartortle]

im dead why the fuck would i fakeclaim

You missed point.

what fucking point???

Also vanilla cop suck

i can find villagers how is that useless

You mistaked with Neopolitan.

that's ice cream bro what the fuck

[Wartortle]

dude there was 32 hours left

It isnt all that much to consolidate on a lim.

is this really the sad life that mafiascum denizens live

[Wartortle]

im dead why the fuck would i fakeclaim

You missed point.

what fucking point???

Also vanilla cop suck

i can find villagers how is that useless

You mistaked with Neopolitan.

that's ice cream bro what the fuck

oh wait mafiosos look vanilla

[Wartortle]

Anyway i agree that Enchant should be the suspect for tomorrow.

"i agree"

since when did anyone else say that enchant should be the suspect for tomorrow???

[Wartortle]

Anyway i agree that Enchant should be the suspect for tomorrow.

"i agree"

since when did anyone else say that enchant should be the suspect for tomorrow???

was response to Black calling Enchant troll

you treated black calling enchant a troll as black calling enchant scum

[Wartortle]

Black basically KNEW i would hammer, goated you in putting on E-1, then "oh no troll how unfunny".

You might have a point.

LIM THIS TOMORROW please

[Wartortle]

Anyway i agree that Enchant should be the suspect for tomorrow.

"i agree"

since when did anyone else say that enchant should be the suspect for tomorrow???

was response to Black calling Enchant troll

you treated black calling enchant a troll as black calling enchant scum

Calling someone suspect for me means to reread their posts/ votings.

mhm? but what even is there for you to read, enchant doesn't have ANY content whatsoever

[Wartortle]

Why should acknowledging when someone makes interesting remark be a scumtell?

i don't think you actually believe it. i don't think that scum black ever does this or that scum will ever do this in general and i think you know it

[Wartortle]

Anyway i agree that Enchant should be the suspect for tomorrow.

"i agree"

since when did anyone else say that enchant should be the suspect for tomorrow???

was response to Black calling Enchant troll

you treated black calling enchant a troll as black calling enchant scum

Calling someone suspect for me means to reread their posts/ votings.

mhm? but what even is there for you to read, enchant doesn't have ANY content whatsoever

Enchant helped us win large 244. So this statement is untrue.

doesn't change the fact that enchant hasn't posted anything of substance in this game

[Wartortle]

naerys and dragon have not great interactions that make me think they could be partnered

roden has been pushing and voting naerys tho

[Wartortle]

Why should acknowledging when someone makes interesting remark be a scumtell?

i don't think you actually believe it. i don't think that scum black ever does this or that scum will ever do this in general and i think you know it

Rather arrogant statement, dont you think?

is black the god of playing scum

[Wartortle]

maybe after this game i'll be proven wrong and this actually was all just some grand conspiracy by black

[Wartortle]

this seems like flailing.

[Wartortle]

wartortle out

[Wartortle]

i was completely wrong on naerys

i caught python after dying so that was cool

i was pretty sure tsq was scum at first but i eventually thought otherwise when i died

whoops

i regret nothing