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[the worst]

mmm on reflection. as a language accessibility thing we should probably translate these messages.

mine was just

i won't write ever again

[the worst]

so I'm willing to call pisskop town for now

fair enough but then scum would be in snivy/enchant/the worst or you

Its certainly possible dragonslot is scum, but dragon has really stepped up

which team/s do you think dragon could potentially be part of?

[the worst]

i lied, i'm a cop, and i have a guilty on dragoneater70 but also know that he's d6 limproof so let's kill him tomorrow

Spoiler: dragon only, nobody else click this

how'd i do?

[the worst]

Hmm. I think we should probably take our time and try to be as confident as we can today.

[the worst]

I literally have so many words that all I can say is "yeeeeah".

[the worst]

I'll talk about that postgame I guess

[the worst]

I hadn't even thought about that.

[the worst]

Related to the above post, I'm not surprised I'm getting wagoned. What is surprising is the people hopping on and just accepting the super weak cases that are being presented. For example, worst is using the fact that I have "weak reads". I play and solve my own way, and haven't provided many reads at all this game except for when I've voted people. To say I have weak reads would be fair if I had reads to base that off of, but I'm not sure how reads I haven't actually given can be weak.

Similarly, Naerys accused my vote on RN to be opportunistic. Most of the game he's been TR, and there were no votes on him at the time I voted. There's little to no chance of him actually getting limmed, so I'm not sure how it was opportunistic. She could have called it an OMGUS (it wasn't, I put reasons in my post where I voted him), but at least it would have been a sensical argument, whereas opportunistic isn't.

I'm trying to see you but you're mischaracterising the reason I scumread you here rather than trying to help us solve.

You don't need strong reads. I haven't had confident reads for most of this game! When I'm looking for town, I'm looking for idiosyncratic reads with a believable thought process behind them. I just haven't seen enough of that thought process from you. It's not that your reads lack confidence or strength, it's that they feel like they were plucked out of thin air and I haven't seen you evaluate them as much as I'd need to have you as confident town.

[the worst]

This is still a huge list, but my based on vote placements I'ma bet scum lies in here:

bob3141

,

davesaz

, camelCasedSnivy,

Save the Dragons

,

Cat Scratch Fever

,

Aisa

,

BBMolla

, the worst

Looking back at this, I don't think Snivy and worst are both scum anymore, but definitely think at least one (*cough*Snivy*cough*) is.

This is another good conversation point - what's changed for you over the last 3000ish posts? Unless you think me + snivy is the solve, where have your reads developed? Who's absolutely town from your perspective?

[the worst]

all the bunch of things shadow said

VOTE: enchant

talk to me about this one?

He is certainly much more easier target to go after than Dragon, for example.

Uhhhhh what

Random Nurse BITES when you vote him

I normally just snarl angrily and hope enough people TR me to not get limmed.

In the context of this game I agree with Naerys (nobody is voting you without a pretty good case Dragon). Broadly though yeah, if I was risking a game on RN being elimable, I would be assuming I'd lose that game

[the worst]

I will say, if there's enough belief that I'm scum, it makes more sense to lim me today than tomorrow though:

If I'm scum: 6/1/1

Today:

Mislim (not me), no x-kills: 3/1/1 .

Tomorrow:

Lim scum!me, 1 kill, 2/1 (Kingmaker)

Today:

Lim scum!me, 1 kill, 4/1, get an extra day.

If I'm town: 6/1/1

Today:

Mislim (not me), no x-kills: 3/1/1.

Tomorrow:

mislim town!me, 2 kills, scum win (unless they miraculously both x-kill).

Today:

Mislim (town!me), no x-kills: 3/1/1.

Tomorrow:

Hope you get scum, or in the same boat as above.

In a worst case scenario, If I'm town, a mislim on me tomorrow instead of today loses the game. If I'm scum, you get at least one more day but it's a better chance if you lim me today. Either way, if you're determined that I'm

a

lim, make it today so that we still have a chance.

To re-contextualise this maths, assuming 3:3:x

d6 - 1:1:6 misyeet anyone
n6 - 1:1:5 scum shoot for town
d7 - 1:1:3 elo

---

d6 - 1:1:6 we hit scum
n6 - 1:6
d7 - 1:5
d8 - 1:4
n8 - 1:3
d9 - 1:2 elo


so no, like, if you are town this defeatist argument isn't really feasible. we are heavily incentivised to hit scum now.

[the worst]

I really dont want to imagine a world where naery is scum here.

I think Id believe dragon is scum before naery

Dragon has like some tiny redscum equity, and zero bluescum equity. Naerys has neither. Agreed basically

Neither of them are scum. Probably. Just putting it out there

[the worst]

You make no sense.

From an outside pov I see why Dragon voted you there. He asked for your read on him. You are the only dissenting voice if you scumread him, which is highly important. You gave a vague non-response, which looked like cognitive dissonance --

1) You aren't convinced Dragon is town (this is a big deal bc everyone else is convinced)
2) You aren't bothered to go into your read (you don't see it as a big deal)

I don't know if this is exactly how Dragon reasoned it, but from my pov I was confused about the idea that you could have both of those thoughts at the same time

[the worst]

Btw in the high unlikelyhood that pisskop is scum we are lost already. I am so deep in pocket there

i keep falling back into this.

like, every time i meaningfully dig into pisskop i'm just convinced he's town. i don't think he's aligned with flipped blue scum and i'm not really feeling him for redscum either.

[the worst]

d6 - 1:1:6 we hit scum
n6 - 1:6
d7 - 1:5
d8 - 1:4
n8 - 1:3
d9 - 1:2 elo

I saw this and could't resist to point that you are wrong.

We elim scum D6:
d6 6vs1vs1
n6 6vs1
d7 5vs1 (Mislim chance wasted)
n7 4vs1
d8 3vs1
Forced skip forcing mafia to kill someone, to shred poe. It's not town aimed kill.
n8 3vs1
d9 2vs1. (Mislim chance wasted)
n9 1vs1. Lose.

2 Mislim chances.

If we elim town and mafia shot other maf:
d6 6vs1vs1 (Mislim chance wasted)
n6 5vs1vs1
d7 4vs1 (Mislim chance wasted)
n7 3vs1
d8 2vs1 (Mislim chance wasted)

3 mislims chances.

Now if we elim town but mafia shot townies:
d6 6vs1vs1 (Mislim chance wasted)
n6: 5vs1vs1
d7 3vs1vs1 (Mislim chance wasted)
n7 2vs1vs1

Still two chances, one of which wasted today. Outcome depends on kills but it's probably still lose.


Eliming me is fine, we lose nothing and gain much, just don't PRETEND you have case on me like i am survivalisting or other trash you probably taked from random mafia wiki.
I know i will be mislimmed sooner or later, if so i want to pick when. So be so kindly, if you don't vote me today, you won't bother me with "Enchant is mufia" bullshit later on because only answer you receive is "you lost your chance".


Also wtf where my jester wincon.

oops - I missed a night phase there.
we do still win an extra day if we hit today

[the worst]

Enchant please vote

[the worst]

i get why, of all counterwagons, it's snivy, but i don't get why that's happening

@mod

pisskop is in the votes twice, Dragon is missing

[the worst]

though i guess i did bully enchant into voting.

[the worst]

got this urge to rewatch labyrinth now

[the worst]

*puts on voice* pisskop hates the door scene

[the worst]

we should organise a labyrinth movie night post-game

[the worst]

But i am not going down without a fight so i am going to leave this here:
Snivy + dave
Enchant+ TL or gob idk i need to look at this

@shaddowez this isn't the best quote for it, but I don't think Naerys is aligned with Dave. Her read on dave across her iso just felt earnest to me - like she was sceptical of him, but gave him chances, but also didn't let him off when he underdelivered.

it doesn't feel like bussing to me, but it also doesn't feel like Naerys is scumreading Dave while also knowing that she is scum with Dave.

it's hard to explain succinctly (I'm on a break at work), but her associatives with Dave don't feel like they're coming from a scumbuddy to me. Did you have any thoughts on this?



i think my townread on nurse is a bit ethereal but if there's anything in particular that makes you suss him for red i'd love to hear more about that too

[the worst]

what nooo

pan's labyrinth is pretty good. it's not a fav, i wouldn't organise an impromptu post-game movie night for it. but it's good.

[the worst]

Sorry but

Horror/drama is not a good combination of genres. And even less so when combined with fantasy and Spanish Civil War.



But anyway, do you think I should just bet on voting shadow? I mean we clearly don't have investigative roles and I keep going back and forth on you and Enchant and there's no much evidence for either being a better lim (except Enchant literally claiming scum at EoD but that's apparently forgivable).

Remind me to ask for your favourite films after the game.

I'm stuck on Shaddow because he makes more sense than anyone else (by a decent margin) for blue scum and he might also be red scum. I think he's a very very strong lim to hit one or the other and if I'm somehow wrong and he flips town, I don't really know how to break through and I don't know how I'd solve him or solve with him in a more precarious gamestate.

Will this hit scum? I think so. Is it a good lim? Yes. Am I 100% confident? Heeecckkk no.


I'd still vote with your heart here tbh this gamestate is just chaotic enough that magic might happen. But if we run to deadline without anything changing I don't see myself changing my vote.

[the worst]

But i am not going down without a fight so i am going to leave this here:
Snivy + dave
Enchant+ TL or gob idk i need to look at this

@shaddowez this isn't the best quote for it, but I don't think Naerys is aligned with Dave. Her read on dave across her iso just felt earnest to me - like she was sceptical of him, but gave him chances, but also didn't let him off when he underdelivered.

it doesn't feel like bussing to me, but it also doesn't feel like Naerys is scumreading Dave while also knowing that she is scum with Dave.

it's hard to explain succinctly (I'm on a break at work), but her associatives with Dave don't feel like they're coming from a scumbuddy to me. Did you have any thoughts on this?



i think my townread on nurse is a bit ethereal but if there's anything in particular that makes you suss him for red i'd love to hear more about that too

Btw this post makes me want to just trust fall into ducky's arms, but I can't let go of the suspicion that he's holding all sorts of sharp weapons and is just waiting to stab me.

I'm going to take this as a compliment on all fronts. Luckily I very much doubt we'll need to worry about each others' prickly pockets here.

[the worst]

First instinct is we should just lim today. We can escape yeetlo if we hit scum, scum aren't guaranteed not to fumble the night kill, and if we only have one kill overnight we're in 1:1:3 yeetlo or 1:5 yeet-1.

Limming in a misdeed & lose situation is scary but it's not a guaranteed loss and all we'd be doing is losing someone obviously town and having to lim again tomorrow in like, actual yeetlo. Rather work with the group we've got alive right now.

[the worst]

Hey Worst did you realize there's new game info just released?

Sure. I don't know what to do with it yet because you're keepin us waiting.

[the worst]

I was not here. I'll be in & out today, got family stuff on.

[the worst]

[the worst]

thanks!

[the worst]

when I'm excited I heckle

[the worst]

whichever of y'all tried to shoot me I s2g,

[the worst]

unless blue was 2 vanilla goons, it is confirmed that I was targeted last night

[the worst]

by one or two teams

my threat level is higher than I expected ig

[the worst]

I guess it's possible that both teams shot RN as well.

pedit: no dice sorry. I would suggest that if anyone else withheld during massclaim that they come forward - RN is the only person I think was gambiting.

[the worst]

What missing kill earlier?

[the worst]

I'm curious about who would find me threatening rn.

[the worst]

it's such a strange melancholic process having someone get a soft inno on you, start explaining why it's an inno, and then realising it literally only makes sense from your own perspective

what a fever dream

[the worst]

sigh. the best thing I can do to prove that I don't have a factional kill in this game is to point to my read on RN. it's pretty clear that he's been a pr and I've been covering for him since massclaim. problem is I don't really want to expand beyond this because I think fleshing it out is probably slightly negative utility.

[the worst]

it's such a strange melancholic process having someone get a soft inno on you, start explaining why it's an inno, and then realising it literally only makes sense from your own perspective

what a fever dream

A soft inno?

Oh, please explain this in detail.

I mean that's just the thing. There was no kill last night and I know I didn't take any night actions, I'm aware that my threat level increased a lot on d6, and I was jailkept on n6. so from my perspective it's very likely at least one team tried to shoot me last night.

but like I was saying, I can't actually detail this in a way that make sense from anyone's perspective but my own.

[the worst]

as in, you kind of already need to know I'm town for it to prove I'm town. which is not remotely useful lol.

[the worst]

sigh. the best thing I can do to prove that I don't have a factional kill in this game is to point to my read on RN. it's pretty clear that he's been a pr and I've been covering for him since massclaim. problem is I don't really want to expand beyond this because I think fleshing it out is probably slightly negative utility.

Uh, no.

I think you need to start explaining what you're saying in more detail, now.

Don't make me play my trump card early.

I'd rather not but if it's going to help you significantly ill do it :shrug:

[the worst]

I for one feel blessed that rando thought highly enough of me to protect me

Oh I wasn't doing it to protect you.

You were suss then and still fairly suss now.

by all means, keep sussing me tonight.

but Id prefer if you didnt tell us who youre targeting.

If RN is shot tonight and there's a second kill, then whoever he targeted is clear

not gonna say any more. his call, its difficult.

[the worst]

as in, you kind of already need to know I'm town for it to prove I'm town. which is not remotely useful lol.

Rephrase that. As is what you just said makes no sense.

it's kind of semantic.

world 1: because I know I'm town, i know there's a high chance I was shot & saved last night.

world 2: y'all don't know my alignment, so there's a question mark over whether I was shot by both kills, we split the kill, or whether I tried to kill someone

it's very weird living in world 1, but being aware everyone else is living in world 2. that's all I'm saying.

[the worst]

I don't mean to be egotistical but I think I'm a pretty good night kill. I do think Naerys & Dragon are better kills but I would've shot me last night.

[the worst]

idk if pisskop is picking up what I'm putting down either. I don't feel like I'm communicating well today I'm hung over.

[the worst]

I'm going to ask everyone to trust me that I am not a good lim!!

[the worst]

this game had two flipped vigilantes and two scumteams. you run into potential for up to 4 town deaths per night, which is absolute madness.

this set-up includes two town roleblockers. that does slow the rate of deaths, potentially, but roleblockers can only generate a guilty result (successfully blocking a kill), never an innocent result. vigilantes in this set-up could receive a single result every even night, and for psyches role only ever a result on a complex role. this is a very low information set-up for town.

there is basically no way this game gets passed without another tpr, which is most likely a protective role, side chance of an investigative. keep in mind that protective roles are capable of generating soft innocent results.

I am scared of playing scum against RN. and I'm not scared of shit else.

fast forward to massclaim, and RN posts this.

So assuming it's 3:3 then there should only be one of each left.

T3, if a faction is defeated would you tell us in-thread?

If there's any sort of investigative role is now the time to start sharing results?

We've only had those two Town Roleblockers, right?

OK, people need to be honest and start actually claiming and sharing their results.

I don't believe there's no investigative PRs and only Town Roleblockers and Vigs.

-

[the worst]

- RN is focused on active roles, not passive roles, and in the process forgets to mention his BP in the list of town power. That is a slip.

- RN is fishing for investigative roles in a set-up which is very likely to have a protective role in it. (Ngl I assumed it'd be an odd night doctor or smth for the vig synergy).

- since this claim I have consistently put my read on RN as "he is town, i will not be voting him, he is town for meta and I will not be considering his associatives at this time". please contrast the way I have been reading RN with the way I have been reading everyone else.

[the worst]

there's a fairly high chance he'll just tunnel on me anyway but I'm optimistic that we can at least lim some scum before both of them just take him out tonight.



RN, I have redacted a part of what I've noticed about your claim which I would strongly strongly prefer not to elaborate on. Going to ask you to trust me here.

[the worst]

you are correct, and fmpov its pretty clear RN has been hiding a protective or investigative role for a minute.

another quote incoming in a sec.

shaddowez (4 [E-1]): Random Nurse, the worst, camelCasedSnivy, pisskop

I think regardless of shadow's alignment, this list has all scum in the game.

Actually this is silly to ask Naerys since I know she TR's me and herself, so I'm basically asking if she thinks Enchant is town.

Oh well, I'll ask someone else.

Do you agree, Ducky?

Mmm like maybe. Probably? Maybe.

I really don't vibe with the scum!RN theory and every time I think about not yeeting Enchant I flash forward to the dark timeline where Enchant is scum and we've just flushed the game down the toilet but like I just can't bring myself to put Enchant at the top of my poe either.

So more accurately I think shadd/css/pisskop is a pretty sound POE. I get why you're not clearing me. Enchant is my wildcard before RN is my wildcard.

Lets get a general poe list from everyone and we can take out the common denominator

Ok.

Random Nurse.

is this your town list... I'm so confounded am I not seeing something here?

VOTE: Random

Im kind of here too. I think the final 2 maf are in [shaddow, random, snivy]

Why are you voting RN

VOTE: Random Nurse

Why are you voting RN?

[the worst]

I don't care what he writes now, if we both alive at elo, i just 1vs1 him. I don't really care what anyone say now.

if i'm alive in e-lo i will snap-hammer whoever is not RN

well ok. not literally. but like, rn is outside his scumrange and has been for a minute. i've recently won alongside town!rn & failed to manipulate town!rn. d1 & d2 of this game was rn's towngame to an absolute t, in a way that i don't think he finds easy to replicate. i get that there are small points for & against certain associatives, and i do think there's like enough that if scum had to try and misyeet RN they could probably put some kinda case together

it just wouldn't be that convincing. it's not just that RN doesn't have partners in this game, rn has played this game in a way that feels antithetical to what i've seen of his scumgame. i'm so sorry for bringing it up this late in the game but i'm still flashing back to psyche's "batman" call. like that is exactly the RN town thing. and this is it!

i'm willing to hear a case out but i'd need it to be a lot more convincing than anything i've seen here. naerys & dragons are clear to me based off associatives (like 99% blue, 80%+ red which is more than i'm giving most folks) so i'll concede they're harder townreads of mine right now. but rn is town because he is just not scum.

this is not an earnest townread in a multiball game with multiple flipped scum to farm for associatives.

[the worst]

well it's quite a good read on day 2 or 3 or something but not when we're facing down endgame.

[the worst]

I don't think you're picking up what I'm putting down. I am townreading you because I have had a hard TPR read on you for quite a while.

Would have approached this game quite differently if I was scum.

I also know you enjoy the "gotcha" so I don't like....intend to try and talk you away from having an opinion, like you are allowed to vote me, but I am going to put my case down for others to not vote with you and to vote for scum instead.

[the worst]

i'm out right now, do you think you block that missing kill earlier?

What missing kill earlier?

@pisskop still wondering abt this

[the worst]

I do not remember that conversation and it seems unlikely tbh but it also doesn't interest me a lot. it'll be interesting to see post-game.

[the worst]

I think we need two conversations to be going at once here. Not only does it matter if RN is true claiming (I think he's shown that he's not going to back down from this claim, and honestly I think it's either true or only *very* slightly altered) - we also need to talk about how we all feel about the implications of that.

[the worst]

For worst to be scum and eaten only 1 shot, it implies a crosskill, doesnt it?

That or they holstered.

That is correct - if I were scum and did have a kill blocked, then the other team targeted me or targeted a bulletproof player. or someone holstered.

fmpov both scum targeted some combination of myself & RN assuming he is full bulletproof.

my ego yearns for both scum to have targeted me but I need to dial it back ;(

[the worst]

I am like, probably a better lim than RN but am not a better lim than anybody else. If I lose the game on a tpr read I'm sorry but I'm fairly confident there.

VOTE: Enchant I really hate that I kinda have to stake my life on this but there's just not a lot of people left and I do think scum's win condition atp is to try and remove RN and win together.

Pisskop is also raising my alarm bells a little this phase bc hedging around this dichotomy without presenting a super strong opinion is pretty important if you're trying to squeeze one more phase.

That's about all I've got. Still busy irl here. I can properly deep dive later but I do think my first preference is not being literally yeeted into 2:4 endgame risk like right now.

[the worst]

you should see my brain right now.

[the worst]

If I'm just totally upside down, I think I have the best lens to solve this game through. You are not correct on RN. What is happening here fypov?

[the worst]

Please don't be torn between us we are both town

[the worst]

This is not a 1v1 it's a stubborn, incorrect interpretation of a night action.

If I must die on this hill then I must die on this hill and I'll do my best to give suggestions that lead to a winnable d8 state without myself or RN alive.

[the worst]

Why are you comfortable eliminating Enchant if you see RN and I as containing 1-2 scum?

[the worst]

I'm pretty sure there's 2 scum in [css, pisskop, enchant] and I haven't worked out who the last town is yet and it hurts.

I feel like pisskop and I are in a really similar boat which makes it relatively hard to see him as scum. We've both gotten through this game with a reasonable amount of clout without being at the top of anyone's list. We're both kind of becoming options by necessity but outside of today I don't think either of us have been very serious contenders. That's kind of a beautiful position for scum to be in and if I was literally exactly pisskop I'd be very happy there. But I don't think its it - his associatives towards csf & gob are tight, and the redscum theory doesn't quite like....feeeeellllll right

Css/Enchant also feels a little bit like a hollow solve

Actually it's epically conceivable that I'm missing something

[the worst]

But again, if we decide nurse is fakeclaiming then both scum decided to no kill.

Im not sure I buy that.

So again, this is a false dichotomy. I'm very confident that RN is telling the truth (you can smell it in the way he's typing). I'm also very confident that scum either no killed, or shot me last night - fringe chance they shot RN who is actually bulletproof but shrug.

Please do not talk yourself onto one extreme because the other extreme doesn't click.

[the worst]

If you think 1 of them are scum, then this should be able to hang just fine.

Pretty much. I don't know if I'm wrong about you or one of them or Nurse (which I don't think I am) or if I've been too easy on one of Naerys & Dragon?

[the worst]

I almost feel betrayed by pisskop in particular. I thought if anyone could see what I'm seeing it'd be you or Dragon. I guess I don't like being a game loss risk type mislim.

[the worst]

Im not sold on you being scum but I'd rather make a move than wait around.


Why are you voting enchant ducki?

I've gotta vote someone who is in my very small POE and I think Enchant's interpretation of events (that RN is absolutely lying, and damn all other evidence) is kind of the position he is forced to take as scum - it appeals to the abstract, it's an unpopular opinion which presents as ~too whacky~ to be scum, but if he's outguessed the zeitgeist and everyone joins him, then he's removed the last important TPR and can win the game in twilight.

[the worst]

Sell me a better option.

I've sold why this is a terrible option, and we're looking at similar very small pools of suspects. I can show you what I'm seeing. I can tighten this POE a lot. I can't solve the game within your mind unfortunately.

I'd need you to work with me a bit.

[the worst]

RN/worst has 0 scum in it

If we no lim, RN dies. probably nobody else dies. foregone conclusion, bad option.

we have a POE and already had a POE before RN misunderstood his night actions, if we *can* win then RN needs to target correctly and y'all need to lim correctly without me here so I need to be pretty confident in it before I go.

who do you see as viable here?

[the worst]

am I literally delusional having RN as a hard townread? I think he's been a very obvious tpr for quite a long time

[the worst]

I don't think you were ever at threat of being shot, for better or for worse.

[the worst]

I don't think my case relies on meta all that much?

[the worst]

I don't think you were ever at threat of being shot, for better or for worse.

I mean sure I got dragged into the poe pool, but my actual play hasnt changed at all.

I fully agree, you're pretty steady this game. We tried more obvious (or more popular ) paths with mixed results so we're kind of forced to consider the weird options

[the worst]

if we were in 1:1:5 last night scum could either aim for 1:1:4 or 1:1:3. I guess 1:1:4 is probably ideal because limming into 1:1:3 is still a winning position, but also keeps the pool as wide as possible

how feasible is it that one scum no killed for a gambit and the other scum no killed for a preferable endgame?

is that bizarre or

[the worst]

I do agree the bulletproof part isn't realistic unless there's. like. two scum strongmen who haven't been yeeted and both no killed for different reasons last night.

pedit: I actually don't necessarily think coordination is needed? if anything if they'd coordinated you'd think one kill would be a perfect gamestate?

also UNVOTE: I think I've been too indignant.

[the worst]

Granted, I don't actually think RN's play has been all that towny. As scum I would have shot him earlier because he's difficult to play around lategame and because I thought he was a TPR.

[the worst]

I thought he was a tpr and was covering for him.

[the worst]

I'm an idiot. Scum never kill there - 1:1:5 is still yeetlo. this isn't a guilty and it's being treated like one, and it literally only makes sense because I already thought RN was a town power role

VOTE: Random Nurse

I hate this.

[the worst]

I think it's my third eye opening and flinging wildly around this time, friend.

Why do you feel so dramatically different here to our last game?

[the worst]

You're in a mechanically sounder position here but you're lurking and letting other people do the work for you?

[the worst]

Yeeeeaaahhh okay you aren't reading my posts this is not town RN

[the worst]

Went from "Oh I won't vote you, you're obvious Town" to voting me in a handful of posts.

Reeks of desperation.

still not reading but like

yes? no shit I'm desperate? it's yeetlo and you're faking a soft guilty on me and treating it like a cop guilty outside of yeetlo

you're not around and then like immediately after I call you out on how shifty your position is you reappear to call me scum?

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I am in an incredibly bad position and my win condition relies on me getting this right. that's true no matter what I am. the fuck does desperation have to do with anything? why would I ever *not* be desperate?

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you are night & day from the RN in this phase.

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I'm not. I've had an awful time irl for like 90% of this game, and at no point have I ever been on the "RN is scum because RN is absent" bandwagon. That's bull and it's unfair to you and to everyone.

You feel hollow here vs. that game, you aren't trying to see outside your tunnel vision, and you aren't able to replicate that level of passion for solving. it's not that you are not here; irl obligations are a whole thing. it's that you are here but you are not playing your towngame.

you were literally just lurking until I called you out.

don't give me this shit I think we both know that we're both better than that

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you aren't reading my posts.

I'm a bit offended that you're reducing me to coming at you because you're struggling irl. that's unfair.

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got such a potent sense of despair right now but I think I'm on the right track and this game suddenly makes a lot more sense than it did yesterday

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All I'm saying is that I had a read that he was a town power role.

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Sorry mobileposting this won't have cute quote walls.

Yeah - if I was scum RN would already be dead. I know that like, that's not super convincing about my alignment. But I've got a fake guilty claimed on me you're kinda getting all of the things

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If I was scum I would've put more effort into pocketing RN then reflexively shot him because his bp claim was a meme and he's been softing tpr for weeks

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to be fair, youve never been on board with the bp claim afaict.

I've kept it very understated but very specific. What I'm getting at is that if I'm scum, there's--

1) a high incentive for me to shoot someone I think is obviously a tpr
2) no incentive for me to insist that the bp claim is bullshit; I just shoot.

it's kinda hard to prove something I've been trying *not* to show but whatever idk.

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Wow I think this game might legit last 2 months.

Sell me on Enchant being scum, Ducky.

I had a gotcha moment when Enchant voted RN because I thought scum were incentivised to remove RN from the game but I'm kind of having an epiphany and melting down because I do not think that's actually a thing anymore.

I'm really sorry I just like do not know. Enchant is in a big question mark zone for me. I don't know who RN's partners would be I haven't had the time since earlier today. I don't......actively like..... scumread Enchant he's just someone who exists in my POE and for a moment there I thought I'd caught him scumsiding. Looking back like right now low-key I think he might be townsiding.

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I'm curious about the trump card thing but I also have this potent feeling it's just going to make my life harder without actually changing anything,,

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Ducky pls link a completed scum game where you actually won

I don't have one off the top of my head I've been semi retired for a MINUTE

I can do the deep dive if you'd like but I'll be doing the same process of digging through my completed games with a magnifying glass

There was one called Starcraft Mafia many years ago which my team was nominated for a scummy for.

Sorry this isn't much help. I don't play that much anymore and my last scumgame was a bit of a charge into a brick wall.

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Every time I think about Psyche or StD being eliminated I get depressed

Who TF lims a freaking claimed vig? I don't care that Psyche is like 90% neg utility this game, it's still a claimed vig on Day 2.

Then again, who the hell thinks it's a good idea to fake claim a guilty on a random slot???

I want to cry.

Anyways, let's wait for RN to do his thing, then unless he has a hard guilty on anyone, I propose we lim Enchant, if Enchant flips scum RN must roleblock Snivy, if Enchant doesn't flip scum then RN blocks his best scumread (It's better not be Naerys, Nurse! You hear me???) and then we take it from there.

I hope you can feel the thousand yard stare in my posts. this game has broken me like at least 3 times.

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I feel like everyone suddenly came back to mafia at the same time lol

I know this was one of the first games I jumped into when I came back

I had such a good run of towngames, one tragic but very fun scumgame, and I was so ready to fade back into security then RN invited me and I felt so honoured then, to my horror, it dawned on me.

25 player multiball normal.

two grave errors in one tidy lil package.

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Every time I think about Psyche or StD being eliminated I get depressed

Who TF lims a freaking claimed vig? I don't care that Psyche is like 90% neg utility this game, it's still a claimed vig on Day 2.

Then again, who the hell thinks it's a good idea to fake claim a guilty on a random slot???

I want to cry.

Anyways, let's wait for RN to do his thing, then unless he has a hard guilty on anyone, I propose we lim Enchant, if Enchant flips scum RN must roleblock Snivy, if Enchant doesn't flip scum then RN blocks his best scumread (It's better not be Naerys, Nurse! You hear me???) and then we take it from there.

I am terrible sorry but can you shut the fuck up already, i offered to vote me previous day and you didn't, you had all chances to just vote me without any resistance and only when it will result in town lose, you suddenly decided you need it.

Shut up. Thanks.

Dragon is probably town. If you're town, like, eliminating you will do the same thing on d6 as it will on d7 (I kinda made the same case to shaddowez yesterday if you read that)

basically if this plan is flawed we do need some help finding the flaws in it. the poe is pretty small right now - what do you think css' alignment is, who are scum fypov?

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I would characterise my meta as both alignments as profoundly inconsistent.

Most recent won scumgame is a meme game which I wasn't in for long; viewtopic.php?t=78083

I'm really sorry if I've missed something over the last couple of years, I've been cold searching through my threads on my profile.

viewtopic.php?t=83833 (this game was not nice to play but I did okay)

viewtopic.php?p=12062772#p12062772 (cult game I was recruited n2)

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I can do the deep dive if you'd like but I'll be doing the same process of digging through my completed games with a magnifying glass

Please do

I just want to know if you are capable of faking what you are doing right now.

Pride urges me to insist that I am.

I do think this is something I would think to do in this gamestate as scum, yeah. I don't think this is something I'd bother to plan out on such a long-term basis though this gamestate is active suffering for me

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Fine.

My trump card is that I am only a Jailkeeper, and that's it. I was trying NOT to reveal this because I am most likely going to get shot Tonight now.

The reason I kept asking how likely it is if both Scum either targeted the same person or one/both holstered is because I knew I wasn't BP, so one or both of them wasting kills on me wasn't possible. I could see one kill being blocked by my jail, but both? I don't think both Scum targeted the person I jailed. I think it's more likely one of the people I jailed attempted a NK, and the other Scum either holstered or targeted my target last Night. And if Worst does flip Scum I'm for sure dead Tonight because with one Scum left so long as a player is NK'd I can basically clear other players.

I would have PREFERRED to keep this data to myself, have Worst limmed, have the remaining Scum under the impression they can't NK me, while I attempt to clear other players.

*sigh*

thank you. are you planning to evaluate your read on me or are you still pretending you have a guilty?

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That's fair

I think that clears TW because he said he knew your claim was fake and would have killed you

I have to say that Jailkeeper + two town roleblockers is one of the weirdest setups I've seen, especially for a large multiball, but I'm just going to treat RN as an IC here based on meta.

I'm torn between voting Enchant for their constant AtE about how I should have limmed them yesterday, and limming Snivy who's always limbait but also like hasn't done any solving this game whatsoever as far as I can tell.

Snivy, do you want to like provide reads or do you want to be quickelimmed?

That's dumb! WTF?

That doesn't clear him AT ALL. You DO realize he can lie, right?

I think that clears TW because he said he knew your claim was fake and would have killed you

He could be lying though.

This is more @Nerys than @RN because rn is trying to bury me.

What part of me are you questioning? Do you not think I saw RN as a TPR and have been defending him for goofy double-standard reasons? Or do you think I thought a bad meta read was adequate for a risky player to go to endgame in a game I've poured over a month of headaches into? Or that RN's tpr claim is something I saw coming, so as scum I've been shooting around it and hoping it won't come back to bite me later?

This is a genuine question and I don't really need you to answer me exactly I just need to be given a fair go because I do think I've been pretty overt, and not just in this phase.

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That doesn't clear him AT ALL. You DO realize he can lie, right?

I do realize he can lie




but town!worst is pretty good at this sort of thing so I do believe there's no reason to think he's lying about knowing that.

Yeah but both scum aiming at one person or both scum deciding not killing anyone feels just off.

Scum can't coordinate kills, and no matter how many kills went through last night, we'd still be in yeetlo today. I actually probably would have no killed as scum last night on reflection.

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im going to feel bad if we mislim no matter if its a mislim on worst or random nurse

I'm leaning random nurse but the worst could theoretically be scum on a different team than random nurse so thats something to take into consideration

i figured

VOTE: the worst

How did you get here Snivy?

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Please unvote folks.

Worst is the best lim for today, so why stall?

1) I am going for an op on 31st to have my gallbladder removed. Would be neat if night went through 31st to 1st so i will not miss much.
The op itself is rather easy and i should be released on 1st if no complications appear. So potential hammering tmorrow evening/31st morning would be appreciated.
2) connected to that is fact that i want to reread some stuff a bit and tmmorrow afternoon i have empty, so its perfect for that
3)Dragon wants to scheck some stuff also

Yeah would be nice if you could wait a bit

Good luck with the op.

Please compare the way you're approaching this phase with the way RN is approaching this phase. He isn't town.

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Y'all are actually split perfectly into two halves.

players who are spending time on this, questioning their assumptions, making sure they do the right thing because we are in fucking Yeetlo and they don't want to throw the game:
Naerys
pisskop
Dragon

Players who are looking for a reason to vote me, and ostensibly not following things through at a reasonable level:
Random Nurse
Snivy


shout-out to Enchant who bucked the obvious assumption so hard by voting RN that I think he's probably our last townie for it.

I'm pretty sure I have a solve though and I *get* that it's very easy for me to see that from where I sit but aaaahhhh

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I really hope Enchant isn't trolling because Enchant makes so much sense to me this phase

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Yall are seeing how RN is doing this right

This is not a guilty but he's deathtunnelling and lurking. He doesn't want to play this phase so he's gambiting and it's working.

He's posted meaningfully twice. Once was for his big reveal which is exactly what I've been saying for the entire game - he isn't evaluating alignments bases off things that are happening in the game he's just hoping y'all will yeet me. The second time was when I called him out on the way he handled the claim and then he magically appeared. This isn't someone who's found scum or even someone who thinks he's found scum he's just hoping I'll die quietly.

There's no sign that he's playing this phase in good faith and this is literally yeetlo. This is the time we need to evaluate every part of the game we possibly can and he's sacrificing that for a blind tunnel.

I don't know what yall aren't seeing this is not town

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Y'all are actually split perfectly into two halves.

players who are spending time on this, questioning their assumptions, making sure they do the right thing because we are in fucking Yeetlo and they don't want to throw the game:
Naerys
pisskop
Dragon

Players who are looking for a reason to vote me, and ostensibly not following things through at a reasonable level:
Random Nurse
Snivy


shout-out to Enchant who bucked the obvious assumption so hard by voting RN that I think he's probably our last townie for it.

I'm pretty sure I have a solve though and I *get* that it's very easy for me to see that from where I sit but aaaahhhh

What's your solve?

I really hope Enchant isn't trolling because Enchant makes so much sense to me this phase

Are you unironically saying RN coyld be scum?

am i losing my mind? this phase feels exactly like a setup, i feel like RN is more interested in getting one more misyeet than in solving.

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solve - i'm pretty confident rn & snivy are literally the last two scum.

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Yall are seeing how RN is doing this right

This is not a guilty but he's deathtunnelling and lurking. He doesn't want to play this phase so he's gambiting and it's working.

He's posted meaningfully twice. Once was for his big reveal which is exactly what I've been saying for the entire game - he isn't evaluating alignments bases off things that are happening in the game he's just hoping y'all will yeet me. The second time was when I called him out on the way he handled the claim and then he magically appeared. This isn't someone who's found scum or even someone who thinks he's found scum he's just hoping I'll die quietly.

There's no sign that he's playing this phase in good faith and this is literally yeetlo. This is the time we need to evaluate every part of the game we possibly can and he's sacrificing that for a blind tunnel.

I don't know what yall aren't seeing this is not town

WHAT

THE

ACTUAL

FUCK????


Aren't you the one who claimed you had a 100% confident read on TPR!RN? And now when he actually claims TPR you push him?????

My dude, I like you but Nurse has townwold so many times this game and is OBVIOUSLY a TPR and I don't believe for a milisecond that scum!him could ever emulate his town play like this at all. He's DEEP in his town meta. RN would lurk and rep out eons ago if he were scum and you know that.

I agree that his actions have been anti town but like

If the setup is going to be 2 gated vigs 2 ungated roleblockers + 13 vanilla, I will be fucking laughing to death and question how the fuck DkKoba approved it. DkKoba isn't a troll reviewer.

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i'm really struggling to qualify his play as town rn and if we are both town i'm pretty sure we're in a universe where we've already lost :/

yeah, i absolutely read him as a tpr and have been trying to cover for him the entire game. as soon as he claimed he's stopped playing the game and this just looks like an agenda.

i have no idea what to think about balance this setup is objectively a terrible idea

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that post makes sense but annoyed my sensibilities i think i'm seeing red.

VOTE: snivy

i have no idea what to do in this game. i didn't think anything could top how utterly brain melting d1-d4 were but this phase has nailed it

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this entire situation has been exasperating in ways i did not expect to experience in this game but on the balance of probabilities i was probably actually just correct about RN i guess.

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good luck tomorrow.

yeah my facade has cracked. my sanity has cracked. idk what to tell you i don't know how to tie this game up in my head. at least one scum has outplayed the shit out of us, or RN is scum and has fakeclaimed very well into a mediocre gambit. i'll be here in postgame so we can laugh together i guess.

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Hope you're doing okay Dragon.

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welp

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I may have cursed myself with 2309. That isn't really a standard of game I can continuously meet.

I've solved as best I can here - I do think some perspectives on sorting out my alignment have been a lil skewed which will be clear from my flip.

Still, the POE is pretty tight and I think we're along the right track. Y'all have got my notes. Go town I guess.

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No redactions from the pt, I make no apologies

Grats town!

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and yes praise king Enchant fr

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Heads down to the worst and pisskop. You were tough scum indeed!

Thank you. I tried my best. When my best wasn't good enough, I tried my worst. When my worst wasn't good enough, I just cried a lot.

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sorry worst, I tried to save you.

please read my PT you'll cackle

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Given we limmed half of our power roles, I'm pretty sure Psyche's role was technically positive utility for this town

Not complaining either just observing

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who's this JackgoVirson person

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how can we solve this game

gg Chell! this post made me much happier abt a potential town win thank you