I'm indifferent to this either way. If the majority of the town disagrees, then I will claim by myself.
Oh, and flavor lynching is absolutely horrible in this game.
If indeed there was a doc protect last night then I guess the doc already knows who to protect. By exposing other possible targets aren't you making it more difficult for the doc to know who to protect and easier for the scum to avoid the doc-protect?Erratus Apathos wrote:And then the doc knows who to protect. I'm willing to bet there's a doc, given last night's kill.
How about these?Erratus Apathos wrote:I don't remember anyone supporting massclaim for flavor lynching.
In post 256, Crywolf wrote:I like the idea of a mass claim because you can catch someone with the flavor.
Your point about role actions makes sense although it would depend on whether there was enough information available from the actions to make it work.In post 273, Militant wrote:I think we may just be able to work out who is scum based solely on flavour.
If this were in any sense true, then town would mass claim day 1 in every single game. There are reasons this doesn't happen.Erratus Apathos wrote:And then the doc knows who to protect. I'm willing to bet there's a doc, given last night's kill.Goatrevolt wrote:Why are we planning on mass claiming? I don't think it's a very good idea.
1. We haven't outed any power roles yet. Mass claiming will be sure to do that for us.
The doc doesn't know whether scum will target the same person tonight as last night. Protecting a power role is almost always better than trying to outguess the scum.Huntress wrote:If indeed there was a doc protect last night then I guess the doc already knows who to protect. By exposing other possible targets aren't you making it more difficult for the doc to know who to protect and easier for the scum to avoid the doc-protect?Erratus Apathos wrote:And then the doc knows who to protect. I'm willing to bet there's a doc, given last night's kill.
Crywolf, Militant: do you still think flavor lynching is a good idea, given that it got a false positive on Gremwell? Would you support massclaim without flavor lynching?Huntress wrote:How about these?Erratus Apathos wrote:I don't remember anyone supporting massclaim for flavor lynching.In post 256, Crywolf wrote:I like the idea of a mass claim because you can catch someone with the flavor.In post 273, Militant wrote:I think we may just be able to work out who is scum based solely on flavour.
Yeah, because the town doesn't know if there's a doc D1.Goatrevolt wrote:If this were in any sense true, then town would mass claim day 1 in every single game. There are reasons this doesn't happen.Erratus Apathos wrote:And then the doc knows who to protect. I'm willing to bet there's a doc, given last night's kill.Goatrevolt wrote:Why are we planning on mass claiming? I don't think it's a very good idea.
1. We haven't outed any power roles yet. Mass claiming will be sure to do that for us.
Then massclaim where doc claims vanilla.Goatrevolt wrote:The reason this is completely flawed is that a single mafia roleblocker can completely invalidate absolutely everything you just said. They block the doc and kill whomever the doc should be protecting. Even if the mafia don't have a roleblocker, they can kill the doc and then kill the other power roles later on.
I still don't see any good reason to believe Jebus would switch his vote onto you if you were scum with him. How have I avoided stating my case on Goat? That's pretty much all I've talked about today before massclaim came up. Also I've argued clearly for massclaim.springlullaby wrote:Erratus Apathos: your defense of me is starting to ping my scumdar, as your avoidance of restating your case on Goat.
I suppose, I said For because I could do it and because I dare say I have the only role of it's kind in this game but I didn't really give much though towards whether it would be good today.springlullaby wrote:I still think massclaim could have waited another day, but seeing that Clock is saying that he is claiming no matter what, and that the only two people beside me that are against massclaim so far are people I suspect, I will switch my vote in two days if the issues is still undecided.
Ah, the ol' attack me then call me scummy for defending myself strategy. This is completely meaningless outside of context. Unless you know that I'm the kind of player who is overdefensive as scum, but not as town, this is null. Defending oneself is not scummy. Overdefensive is entirely subjective and entirely based on previous knowledge. You can't call me overdefensive unless you know how I generally defend against attacks as town and then you point out the differences in how I've defended here. Maybe I'm overdefensive compared to howspringlullaby wrote:Goatrevolt, I think your reaction is kinda too defensive too early, which is quite scummy: I haven't made a case against you yet. Guilty conscience at play?
I don't know if this is scummy or just ridiculous. You push against mass claim, two people agree with you, those people become people you suspect, and now you're opposed to mass claim as a result. You certainly weren't very strong in that opinion.Springlullaby wrote:I still think massclaim could have waited another day, but seeing that Clock is saying that he is claiming no matter what, and that the only two people beside me that are against massclaim so far are people I suspect, I will switch my vote in two days if the issues is still undecided.
I'd still like to see your responses to the points I made and the questions I asked you there.springlullaby wrote:Huntress, I think your defense is okay on the reasonable level, but you see, I still think you are very high probability scum for the reasons I described.
Did you actually read my case against Clockwork? This is a textbook example of a strawman here.springlullaby wrote:And your attack on clockwork is pretty scummy too, because from where I sit, his push for massclaim is pretty protown.
Trying to put words into my mouth and pretending to answer them isn't going to fool anyone. I'd rather you just answered the questions Ispringlullaby wrote:Here I expect you to say something about my contradicting myself, and I'm going to pre-emptively answer you that this kind of argument show linear logic, which is very often indicative of scum, in line with Goatrevolt's accusation: sometimes town people are of a diverging opinion, it doesn't impede them from appearing town while expressing it.
No, I was purely and simply accusing you of role-fishing. In fact, your words here look like yet another attempt at it. Is the failure to get a result one of your reasons for being willing to agree to a mass claim after all?springlullaby wrote:Also, I'm noting your accusations of rolefishing, not that they holds ground (btw, 'informed minority' means scum), I think they are not in line with your play. In clear, I think that by accusing me of rolefishing you hope to subconsciously hint at you being a powerrole, but you see, I don't think any kind of town powerrole would have made the wishy-washy answer you first made in regard to massclaim.
No I don't support flavor lynching..usually. This sounds WIFOM-y but I swear that my role is a Powder Monkey and that it's the equivillent to a vanilla towine. I still don't know how to respond to the fact that Gremwell did come out as a Vanilla Sailor.EA wrote:Crywolf, Militant: do you still think flavor lynching is a good idea, given that it got a false positive on Gremwell? Would you support massclaim without flavor lynching?
ClockworkRuse wrote:Requesting Deadline extension for claiming.
I'm not sold by her explanation for Jebus's vote on you yesterday not being dangerous.springlullaby wrote:Why would you switch to Huntress?
People, Goat is definitely scum. He begins by calling everyone who might vote for him town. RG is AWOL and I'm definitely voting for Goat, but everyone else could potentially vote for him - so he calls them all townies. He even calls springlullaby a bad lynch, despite nothing changing since his day-long attack on her. Clear attempt to buddy up.Goatrevolt wrote:Right now I'm reading that Huntress, Clockwork, Crywolf, and Militant are town, and I don't want to lynch any of those.
Springlullaby I'm iffy on. I really want to hear her response to the questions I posed to her, and not the continued dodging. Either way, I'm not confident enough here to want to lynch her today, and I'd only vote to do so if it came down to her against one of the people I have as town.
That leaves Erratus and Random Gem. I'm willing at this point to lynch either of those.
I think Erratus' jump on me early in the day made sense, but since then he has used some pretty poor logic to stretch his case into more than it was. I also think his logic for wanting to mass claim is really poor. I would expect a better logical argument from him, which leads me to believe that he is supporting mass claim either because it benefits scum or it allows him to easily fit in with the town, not because of the logical merits of doing so.
Lynching RandomGem kind of sucks because he has provided us with nothing all game (as either player), so we don't have much to go off of from his lynch specifically. However, he needs to be lynched for lurking at some point, as he is a huge liability to town in endgame regardless of his alignment. I think there's a decent shot he's scum as well, simply based on process of elimination. I'll wait and see what happens with the replacement first, though.
Vote Erratus Apathos
I'm calling people town who I think are town. I can go through and explain why for each player, if it is necessary.Erratus Apathos wrote:People, Goat is definitely scum. He begins by calling everyone who might vote for him town. RG is AWOL and I'm definitely voting for Goat, but everyone else could potentially vote for him - so he calls them all townies. He even calls springlullaby a bad lynch, despite nothing changing since his day-long attack on her. Clear attempt to buddy up.
That's why I'm voting you. Did you not read my post? I said I was going to hold off on RG until we hear about the replacement situation.Erratus Apathos wrote:Goat calls spring a bad lynch because he's not convinced and wants to hear more from her. Basically, he just wants to put off her lynch. That makes some sense - until you realize that it'd make a lot more sense to put off a lynch of RG for the same reasons. With nothing on him and an impending replacement, it's nonsense that he'd cast aside his springlullaby case for "continued dodging" but support a flaker lynch today.
Read through my posts today. I've repeatedly pointed out where your logic has failed. This shouldn't be a surprise.Erratus Apathos wrote:And his case against me is pretty much just the phrase "poor logic" written over and over. For someone talking about poor logic that much, he conveniently avoids showing any flaws in it. That's not just poor logic, that's scum logic.