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I would indeed like to see Alien, Mailman, Encryptor (with the new normal definition), Multitasking, Indecisive, and Announcing added to the rolebook...
also I would like to see Lynchproof (and by extension Deathproof) contraboon'd, these feel a bit too close to being bastard for something that isn't supposed to be bastardtime will end-
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I'd recommend calling the Inverted modifier the Guiding modifier, to avoid confusion with the Inverse reliability.time will end-
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Anyway, some ideas for new roles:
Security Guard, Visionary, Shield, Reporter, and Inspector are new Normal roles.
Thaumaturge: Each night, may learn if a player is exactly one of {Vanilla, Town-aligned} or not. Basically a Neapolitian who thinks non-town power roles are VTs. (note that I'd consider a Light Fairy with no additional roles vanilla, as their visiting ability is a factional ability)
Mediator: Targets two players to inform them that they may not target each other the next Night. Mediator outright prohibits attempts to target, so Inverted will not work.
idk if these have the booneytoonz spirit or not, but I just want to say that Thaumaturge and Mediator are roles I thought up.time will end-
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alrightyIn post 181, Flavor Leaf wrote: I like that Mediator role for sure.
and I could see many uses for Shield that could lead to some fun instances.
I might take those creations of yours and put in the Boon Bank.
Mediator seems like an interesting and flavorful role idea tbh
Bulwark may also be of interest to you, it is to Doctor as Shield is to Bodyguard.time will end-
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some potential Boon Bank roles?:
Role Name:Coach
Abilities: Each night, you may target a player. That player is informed that they may choose to act the next night as if they had no modifiers.
Why should this be added to the Boon Bank instead of take a Variant spot?: A Coach feels like an interesting role for more complex setups, as it effectively is a "protection from modifiers" role and allows X-Shot and Night Specific roles to effectively act an extra time. Note that Bulletproof, Ascetic, Macho, Enabler, Informed, and Neighbor should be considered passive roles and not modifiers, as none of those change how abilities work but are instead abilities in and of themselves.
Role Name:Divine Protector
Abilities: Each night, you may render a player immune to actions from non-Town-aligned players.
Why should this be added to the Boon Bank instead of take a Variant spot?: An extremely powerful protective role that will protect a player from any action from scum that isn't Unstoppable or Strong-Willed. Like a rolestopper but better in every way.time will end-
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How interesting of a role isEarl(Anyone who learns your role will know that you are aligned with the.)?Town
It is pretty much a Named Townie, except it is ContraBoon'd for any alignment other than Town (as a non-Town Earl would constitute a moderator lie).time will end-
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yeah... Earl exists to be the town-specific Named Townie, but I just thought of the ability text that would make that clear today.
If a Role Watcher targets someone that an Earl targeted (this would require Earl to be on a power role, e.g. Town Earl Doctor), they'd know someone aligned with the Town targeted their target, for example.time will end-
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let me know if the wiki page for BooneyToonz Game is accurate, especially want to know if the BooneyToonz Role Glossary is accurate.
Not sure if the new Bunyip heals like a Normal Doctor (protects from a single kill that night) or gives a layer of Bulletproof (protects from a single kill)... assuming Normal Doctor as the Bunyip used to protect from kills outright (imo, full protection should be a mutation for Doctor and Bunyip).
Also, let me know if there should be wiki pages for Boon Bank roles.
Also also, is the mutation for Interdimensional Traveler intended to be built-in Loud or Announcing? The latter modifier would let players know that an Interdimensional Traveler targeted them.time will end-
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actually yeah, Jingle's idea of Earl being "Anyone who learns your role will also learn your alignment." makes Earl slightly more than just a Named Townie and makes for some interesting setup ideas. For example, someone rolecopping a Mafia Earl Doctor would actually get results of Mafia Earl Doctor instead of just Earl Doctor.
It also would allow for modified versions of Earl to exist, such as Activated Earl, 1-shot Earl, and Night-Specific Earl.time will end-
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another role that might be worth considering for BooneyToonz:Supervisor
A Supervisor will learn if a player has chosen not to act even though they were able to act that night. Having access to factional abilities count as being able to act that night (unless the Supervisor is Personal). Having abilities that can't be used that night due to modifiers don't count as being able to act that night.
Possible ability text: "Each night, you may learn if a player chose not to act when they could have acted that night or not."
A different variant of Supervisor would check if someone has an active ability but did not attempt to act that night. This would mean that having abilities that can't be used that night due to modifiers do count as having active abilities. It also is easier to resolve than the first variant, but is somewhat weaker due to X-shot and Night Specific roles effectively acting as Millers to this variant of Supervisor.
Possible ability text for different variant: "Each night, you may learn if a player has active abilities but didn't attempt to act or not."time will end-
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would havingInformedinfo appearing in the flip be a Mutation or a Variant?
I'd want to have more of an idea of what separates a Mutation from a Variant.time will end-
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I have updated the BooneyToonz Game wiki page to reflect the new changes.
I've also created wiki pages for the Boon Bank roles, the MUTATED pseudo role modifier, and the former Boon Bank role known as the Cleric.time will end-
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In post 203, Boonskiies wrote: Gonna add Thaumarage or whatever it is, Mediator, and Divine Protector to Boon Bank.
@TemporalLich - would you mind writing a Role PM for ThaumatarageThaumaturge:
Spoiler:
This version is pretty verbose but it should be clear a Thaumaturge's results are checkerboarded.
Writing this to be consistent with the other Boon Bank role PMs.
Here is a Thaumaturge results table:
Thaumaturge Results Table Town Not Town Vanilla Negative ResultPositive ResultNot Vanilla Positive ResultNegative Result
MUTATED Thaumaturge possibility (if this would be a mutation and not a variant): At night, target a player. You will learn whether that player is exactly one of {Power Role, Mafia} or not. This is a role I have heard from RH9 known as Logician.time will end-
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should I add Thaumaturge, Mediator, and Divine Protector to the wiki page?In post 205, Boonskiies wrote: Yeah, i would count it as Mutated for sure. I’ll add em later tonight when I get to a computer
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also, would Informed that flips with its information be MUTATED Informed or a Variant of Informed?time will end-
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alright
mostly wanting to gauge the line between a variant and a mutation - seems like Informed flipping with info is either a variant or it toes the line between variant and mutation
not sure what to name variant informed though, since variant roles need entirely different names. MaybeSetup-awarecould work for lack of a better nametime will end-
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I am posting this to say that Normal Games have had a huge overhaul
Check the thread here: viewtopic.php?t=91867
As for what I'd consider relevant to BooneyToonz, I'll highlight these two posts:
New roles: viewtopic.php?p=13969357#p13969357
Role name changes: viewtopic.php?p=13969363#p13969363
Note that Juggernaut is a role that makes the factional kill unstoppable, while the Strong-Willed modifier makes the modified role unstoppable.time will end-
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I do want this discussed, but in a similar vein to the Normal role renames, wouldEnchanterbe a good name for Enchantress?time will end-
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maybe a Dark Angel type role, in a similar vein to the Dark Angel in Nobility and The Dark Angel?
as in, the dark angel wins if they die before some sort of light fairy-type role targets them?time will end-
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alternately, a jester-like role could be similar to hunter and hunted, but I feel that doesn't give much player agency to the one that needs to block the jester eliminationtime will end-
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I still think a Dark Angel is what you want if you want a Jester-like alignment.time will end-
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I kind of think mimes aren't good for player agency regardless of the alignment you roll in that game, especially considering Mimes are groupscum and having both mimes eliminated instantly endgames all other players.
I still kind of like Dark Angel as acting too jestery is bad for your win condition as a Dark Angel.time will end-
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that's an interesting idea for a modifier.In post 224, Gamma Emerald wrote: What would y’all call a role that only works if it would get a positive/negative Motion Detector result? Can also expand this to Reporter/Inspector.
I'd call themOblivious(fails if motion is not detected) andInertial(fails if motion is detected).
as for reporter or inspector results, those could just be MUTATED versions of those modifiers? don't really know good names for those modifiers, thoughDistracted(fails if target has not acted) andSedentary(fails if target has acted) could work maybe (or maybe they could work as names for the motion detector-based modifiers)?time will end-
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maybe these could be the names for the modifiers then?In post 226, Gamma Emerald wrote: I think make one for Reporter + one for Inspector and the MD one can just be those two combined actually
Distracted- Action only succeeds if the target has acted
Sedentary- Action only succeeds if the target has not actged
Oblivious- Action only succeeds if the target has been targeted by someone else
Inertial- Action only succeeds if the target has not been targeted by someone else
I kind of think the motion detector result-based modifiers are the most interesting setup-wise though.time will end-
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should I add these to the wiki?In post 228, Gamma Emerald wrote: Those look good I think
my preference would be to have names for the motion detector-based modifiers though idk a good third set of names
maybe these may work?
Oblivious- Action only succeeds if the target has targeted someone else or been targeted by someone else (action fails on a motion detector negative result)
Inertial- Action only succeeds if the target has not targeted someone else nor been targeted by someone else (action fails on a motion detector positive result)
Distracted- Action only succeeds if the target has acted (action fails on a reporter negative result)
Sedentary- Action only succeeds if the target has not acted (action fails on a reporter positive result)
Inattentive- Action only succeeds if the target has been targeted by someone else (action fails on an inspector negative result)
Unconfident- Action only succeeds if the target has not been targeted by someone else (action fails on an inspector positive result)time will end-
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yeah that worksIn post 230, Gamma Emerald wrote: I like Inattentive. Maybe Relaxed instead of Unconfident?
not sure if it'd make sense to create articles for all 6 of these modifiers on the wiki though
edit: apparently the Modifier Ideas thread named the inspector result based modifiersShy(as opposed toRelaxed) andExtroverted(as opposed toInattentive)time will end-
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Let me know if I should create wiki pages for any of the action-dependent modifiers, as I'm not sure what the action-dependent modifiers should be namedIn post 238, Flavor Leaf wrote:
yeah, these are good. I'm going to have to edit in the wiki links for everything instead of doing spoilered for Boon Bank, I think. Mass overhaul coming with this. i think we add most of these roles, i think most are normalish, and haven't been used too often.In post 234, TemporalLich wrote: considering this is the BooneyToonz thread, I'd want to know how Flavor Leaf feels about these modifiers
speaking of modifiers, I feel the modifiers Unwell, Sleeper, and Brave would be good additions to BooneyToonz.
also, I think Shield is a good role to add.time will end-
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some more roles to consider if they are in the BooneyToonz spirit:
Menacing - Protected from all abilities if targeted only once that night.
Prideful - Protected from all abilities if targeted more than once that night.
Enforcer - Allows factional abilities to roleblock.
Racketeer - Allows factional abilities to rolestop.
Vaporizer - Allows factional abilities to roleblock and rolestop.
Wraith - Allows leaving town when using factional abilities.
Nullifier - A roleblocker that also roleblocks passive abilities.
Isolator - A rolestopper that also rolestops passive abilities.
Alignment Cop - Learns a player's exact alignment.
Alignment Watcher - Learns what alignments targeted a player.Last edited by TemporalLich on Tue Jan 02, 2024 7:10 am, edited 1 time in total.time will end-
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There's another Normal Game update now: Normal Game New Year 2024 Update
the roles and modifiers added by that update:
Action Detector - A Combined Reporter Inspector, learns if a player acted that night or not and learns if a player was targeted by anyone else that night or not.
Goon Cop - Learns if a player is a Mafia Goon (or vanilla Werewolf) or not.
Masonizer - Adds a town player to their Mason PT, informs the Mason PT that that player is aligned with the town, and is informed the Masonizer is aligned with the town. Non-town players will never be added to a Mason PT, and a Masonizer targeting a non-town player will die. (a Loyal Masonizer will not die when targeting non-town)
Universal Finder - Learns if a player is a chosen role or not.
Companion - A mutated Informed for the purposes of BooneyToonz games, a Companion is informed a player is aligned with the Town.
Stealthy - Ninja used to be both a role and a modifier - Ninja now refers to the role that makes factional abilities invisible, while Stealthy is the modifier that makes abilities invisible.
Simultaneous - Allows the use of multiple personal abilities during the night. This is the modifier replacing the Multitasking modifier in Normal Games, where the ability to use factional abilities with personal abilities is now a game mechanic known as Inherent Multitasking.time will end
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