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Post #153 (isolation #5) » Tue Nov 14, 2023 3:28 pm
Postby Roden »
In post 151, Celebloki wrote:
I can't get behind a Wheme wagon yet, he was recently instrumental in a town win in Guns & Roses and I just have to give him a chance here. He just might be an expert mafia player after all.
He does seem like lim bait though, so many there's some opportunists on his wagon.
How can you claim that Star is lim bait when literally nothing has happened yet and I'm pushing their wagon based on the alignment of the stars
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Post #224 (isolation #10) » Fri Nov 17, 2023 2:13 pm
Postby Roden »
In post 221, Elements wrote:
hey gang
have things to do so can't stop by for long
seeing as no one got shot i thought it would be good to let you know I've been vannilaised
I was a novice inventor
In post 299, Flavor Leaf wrote:
In Blood Utopia, i had Roden as objectively scum when they made a specific action in the way they tried to pivot the game, and then they were able to turn me into town reading them when I called them out with solid logic.
And by the time of my death, I had every single scum called out as scum EXCEPT for Roden slot even after Hu Tao replaced in.
In DragonEater’s game, Hu Tao even said specifically that I mainly town read Hu Tao because of Roden as well.
So I don’t see low effort lol wagoning as scum Roden, especially after they had some stank with the Drew comments Day 1.
I don’t feel like this argument is very good. It feels like you assume Roden would stick to the same general scum gameplan. My gut reaction is “this would be exactly what Roden would want you to sey if he’s scum”.
I would want anyone to claim I'm not in my scum meta, no matter what my alignment is
I do change up the way I play scum depending on the player list, but a low effort "too scummy to be scum" strategy isn't my preference. I've only ever done it once and I hated it.
I'm taking this game easy because I like the vibe, and I feel like it's about to become mech heavy soon. I'm reading the social interactions, but I'm not looking too deep into any of it atm.
In post 429, Vanderscamp wrote:
VOTE: Roden for what I feel might have been TMI about ATE
Walk me through this one
When you made post #332 I did not agree with you that anything Kitty said was town-indicative.
What Kitty said wasn't overly scummy or anything but it was probably one of the least town-indicative ATEs I've ever seen and I think you got a Kitty town read too easily.
If the AtE is that bad and ineffective then why do you think I jump off the wagon as scum
In post 429, Vanderscamp wrote:
VOTE: Roden for what I feel might have been TMI about ATE
Walk me through this one
When you made post #332 I did not agree with you that anything Kitty said was town-indicative.
What Kitty said wasn't overly scummy or anything but it was probably one of the least town-indicative ATEs I've ever seen and I think you got a Kitty town read too easily.
If the AtE is that bad and ineffective then why do you think I jump off the wagon as scum
That seems kind of incongruent
Because from your scum pov you would know it's real
That's my point
Your point is bad if your argument is "you're scum because you're scum"
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Post #521 (isolation #23) » Tue Nov 21, 2023 12:20 pm
Postby Roden »
In post 517, Celebloki wrote:
Hello, I'm kinda back, will still be sparsely available until after Thursday probably.
I think I believe the Elements claim for now. There must be another inventor if what Roden claims is true because Elements wouldn't have been able to make something N1 if I understand the modifiers right.
I think in 224 Roden was asking if Elements was able to do an invention, what could they invent.
Yep, I wanted to see if the options Elements had would follow a similar theme to what I received.
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Post #555 (isolation #24) » Wed Nov 22, 2023 2:18 am
Postby Roden »
Your stance seems to be that that I as scum wouldn't be able to tell if town!Kitty's AtE was believable or not and just immediately hopped off the wagon in fear that people would buy it
In post 555, Roden wrote:
Your stance seems to be that that I as scum wouldn't be able to tell if town!Kitty's AtE was believable or not and just immediately hopped off the wagon in fear that people would buy it
Is that correct or not
Yep!
If Kitty is town I'm sure that scum who knew it was genuine would have had an easier time identifying it as genuine than the town who don't know, and were more likely to overestimate how towny it seemed.
Ok
Now what leads you to believe that I as scum overestimated how towny Kitty was
Yeah, I don't think Van is scum. I feel like they reached a conclusion and then worked backwards from there to justify it.
Wouldn't town realize that they are doing that though and maybe back off of it?
I feel like scum is more likely to do what you are describing.
I've been tunneled by townies for far worse reasons tbh. And I've been guilty of reaching conclusions and trying to fit the evidence in the past as town.
I think Van just doesn't have solid reads atm and doesn't know where to push. Which, I mean, fair. There's not a whole lot going on right now. But that's also why I think they're likely town here; in this game state, there isn't much pressure for people to find a slot to push, so scum can safely do very little right now.
In post 555, Roden wrote:
Your stance seems to be that that I as scum wouldn't be able to tell if town!Kitty's AtE was believable or not and just immediately hopped off the wagon in fear that people would buy it
Is that correct or not
Yep!
If Kitty is town I'm sure that scum who knew it was genuine would have had an easier time identifying it as genuine than the town who don't know, and were more likely to overestimate how towny it seemed.
Ok
Now what leads you to believe that I as scum overestimated how towny Kitty was
Because what Kitty said wasn't towny and you seemed to think it was towny.
No offence but I really don't know how many times you need me to rephrase the same basic point.
Your summary of what I was saying was pretty accurate so what are you doing?
Do you genuinely not see that your case on me boils down to what I said earlier? You think I'm scum because you think I'm scum. You "rephrasing the same basic point" is exactly what I said you were doing. I've been trying to get you to expand on your thoughts and you can't seem to do so.
If you're intentionally refusing to acknowledge that because you know your case relies on circular logic that you invented, I don't see much of a point in engaging with you further if you're going to play badly on purpose.
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Post #591 (isolation #32) » Wed Nov 22, 2023 2:46 pm
Postby Roden »
Yessiree I kinda want to know what your plan is. You're voting Kitty, but you're the sole vote and his wagon has no momentum. We're approaching EoD and you and I are the only real wagons, and you town read me. So what's going on?
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Post #593 (isolation #33) » Wed Nov 22, 2023 3:03 pm
Postby Roden »
That doesn't really address the problem
If you succinctly convince the people on your wagon that you're town in the final hours, where exactly are we supposed to go? There isn't enough to organize a new wagon. So there's a good chance we'll be forced to settle with voting out me. We both seem to agree that that isn't a good conclusion either.
So you kinda need to do something now so we don't potentially scramble at EoD
I'll probably not be able to devote much time to play until Tuesday.
Celebloki is V/LA until Tuesday, November 21st. Elements will be V/LA Tuesday, November 21st to Thursday, November 23rd.
I do think Celeb looks pretty bad though. He hasn't been doing much, and he hasn't made any efforts to solve or push wagons. He hasn't been voting either, only making a single vote early in the game on Leaf before quickly taking it back. The closest he has to content is him attempting to nudge Drew and I into a 1v1.
Naerys has also been consistently off wagon, and also tried to nudge the Drew vs me 1v1.
I'll probably not be able to devote much time to play until Tuesday.
Celebloki is V/LA until Tuesday, November 21st. Elements will be V/LA Tuesday, November 21st to Thursday, November 23rd.
I do think Celeb looks pretty bad though. He hasn't been doing much, and he hasn't made any efforts to solve or push wagons. He hasn't been voting either, only making a single vote early in the game on Leaf before quickly taking it back. The closest he has to content is him attempting to nudge Drew and I into a 1v1.
Naerys has also been consistently off wagon, and also tried to nudge the Drew vs me 1v1.
Wheme wagon happened rather quickly and hammer happened when i slept. So my chance to join the wagon even if i wanted to, was very low.
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Post #641 (isolation #42) » Thu Nov 23, 2023 1:35 pm
Postby Roden »
She's been off wagon both days now. She gave an excuse that she didn't have time to do anything else D1, but she's still off wagon today. The Drew vote is ??? and she isn't doing anything to push him, but also seems fine with the current wagons.
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Post #642 (isolation #43) » Thu Nov 23, 2023 1:38 pm
Postby Roden »
And when I say "isn't doing anything to push him", I know she made anti-Drew posts. But she also isn't interacting with any of the posts that involve Drew. Leaf is openly scrutinizing him, but Naerys hasn't acknowledged that even though she believes Leaf is town. Why not try to convince Leaf to vote with you if you trust him and know he is influential?
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Post #691 (isolation #50) » Thu Nov 23, 2023 5:28 pm
Postby Roden »
In post 672, Flavor Leaf wrote:
Also, why did Yessiree wait until near deadline to make the claim, it was pretty stagnated, they could have done it earlier.
And it feels like scum don't want Yessiree based on overall energy being pushed at their claim.
Idk.
I'm decently confident Yessiree is scum here, and I'm more confident Naerys is town here right now.
It seems like your confidence is based on mechanical reasons and not on play. What has Naerys done to convince you that she's town?
In post 672, Flavor Leaf wrote:
Also, why did Yessiree wait until near deadline to make the claim, it was pretty stagnated, they could have done it earlier.
And it feels like scum don't want Yessiree based on overall energy being pushed at their claim.
Idk.
I'm decently confident Yessiree is scum here, and I'm more confident Naerys is town here right now.
It seems like your confidence is based on mechanical reasons and not on play. What has Naerys done to convince you that she's town?
it's the combination of the way they shade me, not sheeping me, not thinking im scum, and the low energy defense of why im different than scumFL in a non pocketing way. Plus, the way they presented some of their reads, like you or Drew having scum in them, which I believe I also said earlier, being sort of a mind meld in addition to the movement to their wagon this late.
You just described someone who's positioning themself around you while setting up suspicion on slots to be pushed on future days rather than the current day.
Why do you know that exact line and why did Yessiree attempt to use it still?
Because I looked up every claimed role and modifier as they were being claimed, and "Procrastination" is very recent in my web history. My Role + Engineer gift puts me in a niche situation where I can confirm certain roles and modifiers when I get targeted, which is why I want Yess to target me.
