Mini Theme 2318: Cook's Kitchen Sink [Game Over]

[KittyTacky]

Meow! I missed RVS.

And I know most of this list.

[KittyTacky]

Let’s vote cook

See you in 36 hours

Cook is Jester, bad play my man.

No I'm jester.

[KittyTacky]

All these ancient join dates. What kind of geriatric game is this. The more the merrier.

I'm the only relative noob here.

[KittyTacky]

I mean I think I "played" a game in 2018 but I flaked out of it and disappeared for a few years.

[KittyTacky]

I was making notes but it's getting late, expect a reads list and takes etc tomorrow.

[KittyTacky]

CONF TOWN

KittyTacky - I got a green role PM

TOWN

Looker - actively pushing the game forward, I think this is townie

LEAN TOWN

Elements - posting a lot but not too spammy, seems to contribute enough
ActionDan, Gamma, Doctor Drew - generically townie on vibes

NULL/NEUTRAL

Flavor Leaf - I don't know how to read FL early
Random Nurse - silent, getting replaced
WhemeStar - why are we running this up?
Celebloki, Roden, Naerys - idk

LEAN SCUM

Vanderscamp - seems quite erratic and a bit unnatural

SCUM

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VOTE: Vanderscamp

[KittyTacky]

VOTE: whemestar
Yeah no this isn’t town!Wheme

Town Wheme always gets ran up day 1 and then I escape it somehow and then I get townread rest of the game somehow this is normal so far what do u mean

[KittyTacky]

I had a bad feeling about that wagon.

Will re-skim and update my list in a bit.

Likely more than 1 scum on that wagon actually.

[KittyTacky]

I'm VT, and I was busy this whole day to see that I'm being wagoned in the space of 1 page.

[KittyTacky]

CONF TOWN

KittyTacky - I got a green role PM

TOWN

Looker - actively pushing the game forward, I think this is townie

LEAN TOWN

Elements - posting a lot but not too spammy, seems to contribute enough
ActionDan, Gamma, Doctor Drew - generically townie on vibes

NULL/NEUTRAL

Flavor Leaf - I don't know how to read FL early
Random Nurse - silent, getting replaced
WhemeStar - why are we running this up?
Celebloki, Roden, Naerys - idk

LEAN SCUM

Vanderscamp - seems quite erratic and a bit unnatural

SCUM

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VOTE: Vanderscamp

CONF TOWN

KittyTacky - I got a green role PM

TOWN

Looker - still town lead, still townie

LEAN TOWN

Elements - still posting a lot but not too spammy, still seems to contribute enough
Gamma, Doctor Drew - generically townie on vibes
(Ele and Drew actually contributed yesterday instead of sitting around and then jumping on me)

NULL/NEUTRAL

Flavor Leaf - idk what to think of the push on me, I feel FL can be wrong town but he's brazen as scum
Celebloki, Naerys - idk
Vanderscamp - still bad vibes but hasn't talked today, shouldn't be focus today

LEAN SCUM

Roden, yessiree - jumped on me with no reasoning, not active yesterday. Not omgusing, this would be omgus if yall actually backed up your reads instead of this being a nudist colony for votes

SCUM

ActionDan - "small losses" comment and then asking for reads feels like scum behavior. Like it feels like a fake nonchalantness? Also naked vote put Wheme at E-2

VOTE: ActionDan

[KittyTacky]

This wagon on me legit reeks.

[KittyTacky]

I had a bad feeling about that wagon.

Will re-skim and update my list in a bit.

Likely more than 1 scum on that wagon actually.

Have an opinion on who? Or just speculation

One is probs Dan.

[KittyTacky]

FL also hammered WHeme but eh idk if scum would be THAT ultra brazen. Even FL.

I have no idea how to read FL ever.

[KittyTacky]

I tend to be lim bait because I play weird.

[KittyTacky]

gn

[KittyTacky]

I tend to be lim bait because I play weird.

hmm, any particular reason you're actively trying this game compared to c9++ we last played?

I wouldn't say you're playing weird here but it deffo seems like you're over-exerting urself a lot more with the readlist

Because I realized I was a getting bit too laid back and decided to put more effort into the game. I don't want to be dead weight.

Power has been out for like 10 hours now, typing this out on mobile.

[KittyTacky]

Goddamn responding to big posts on mobile is a pain in the dick.

I'll try it anyways in like 4 hours if power doesn't come back by then but until then I'll just say I'm not in my "scum meta" I'm just trying harder than usual and it sucks to be sred for that.

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"He's putting in more effort so he must be scum because he puts in more effort as scum" is a fallacious 'tell'. Maybe I'm taking this game more seriously.

[KittyTacky]

Power is back. Responses bold and underlined.

CONF TOWN

KittyTacky - I got a green role PM

TOWN

Looker - actively pushing the game forward, I think this is townie

LEAN TOWN

Elements - posting a lot but not too spammy, seems to contribute enough
ActionDan, Gamma, Doctor Drew - generically townie on vibes

NULL/NEUTRAL

Flavor Leaf - I don't know how to read FL early
Random Nurse - silent, getting replaced
WhemeStar - why are we running this up?
Celebloki, Roden, Naerys - idk

LEAN SCUM

Vanderscamp - seems quite erratic and a bit unnatural

SCUM

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VOTE: Vanderscamp

CONF TOWN

KittyTacky - I got a green role PM

TOWN

Looker - still town lead, still townie

LEAN TOWN

Elements - still posting a lot but not too spammy, still seems to contribute enough
Gamma, Doctor Drew - generically townie on vibes
(Ele and Drew actually contributed yesterday instead of sitting around and then jumping on me)

NULL/NEUTRAL

Flavor Leaf - idk what to think of the push on me, I feel FL can be wrong town but he's brazen as scum
Celebloki, Naerys - idk
Vanderscamp - still bad vibes but hasn't talked today, shouldn't be focus today

LEAN SCUM

Roden, yessiree - jumped on me with no reasoning, not active yesterday. Not omgusing, this would be omgus if yall actually backed up your reads instead of this being a nudist colony for votes

SCUM

ActionDan - "small losses" comment and then asking for reads feels like scum behavior. Like it feels like a fake nonchalantness? Also naked vote put Wheme at E-2

VOTE: ActionDan

So I thought your first readslist was quite bad and this next one is equally so. It deserves to be picked apart.

Looker is not leading town. He certainly is posting but if he were

leading

you might expect say an actual push or perhaps more posts than others neither of which is happening. Why is he so high on your list either D1 or D2?

I meant that it felt like he contributed more than others. Like, his posts seem more high effort. Which I grant may be deepwolfing but to me that's more town than not.

The town lean category seems reserved for those who either "contribute" or have good vibes. I don't put much stock into either but on the surface good vibes would trump contribution, which makes elements position suspect if you're not putting in effort to determine whether element's contributions are towny/scummy/null. Additionally all these people at the time of the D2 readslist are voting you. This "reeks", so why how have they remained there while I (who did not vote you) migrated to scum.

I evaluate things somewhat differently, I suppose. I value contribution quite a lot.

The Vanderscamp read is bad vibes. I want to know why you thought his posting was "erratic" or "unnatural" D1. It was in fact pretty consistent and was one of the few people that had a pretty clear train of thought. Furthermore were I to have had that opinion, I would not so casually toss him into the nulls. To me it looks like his saving grace is that he hasn't voted you today.

Vibes. I read d1 off vibes. I genuinely cannot make actual scumreads off reasoning d1 unless there's something really obvious or the votes really stink. I'm better at scumreading d2.

And now to your vote on me. asking for reads being scum behavior in a vacuum has never been the case. You had put me as "good vibes" after I was 5th vote on D1. Why is this a problem now? And my reasons do exist in a later post, but clearly they weren't worth a mention.

I admit I made a fuckup, I was panicking and thought you were voting me. Sorry. You're not scummier than Roden/yessiree. And the reasons are kind of shallow imo. But I shouldn't have pushed you as hard.

[KittyTacky]

I tend to be lim bait because I play weird.

The worry is that you're LHF if you are town.

But the scum game linked means you are capable of bullshiting (or at least attempting to) as scum. I ought to find a complete town game of yours but in the community redux game I replaced you in, you had better takes in the brief time you existed.

I'm LHF as town like 70% of the time or at least it feels that way.

People who never played with me before tend to run me up.

And yes I bullshit as scum, yes I am capable of lying. But I'm not lying here.

[KittyTacky]

Anyways I agree with vander that 258 is a townie post, Dan goes up to lower null really.

[KittyTacky]

I had a bad feeling about that wagon.

Will re-skim and update my list in a bit.

Likely more than 1 scum on that wagon actually.

Like, does seem like someone with a town mindset makes this post?

This is what I, and I assume Roden, were talking about with a soul read.

Also claiming VT before E-1 seems a bit odd for town to do imo.

How is it not a town mindset?

And I panicked when I claimed it. I have the right to flip out when I get flashwagoned 1 page in after my first post of the day.

[KittyTacky]

Sorry, been a busy day and it will be a busy next few days. Hosting some house guests and a Friendsgiving in a couple days. I hopefully will still get some posting in late nights or here and there.

I have also noticed a distinct change in Kitty's overall presence and tone from Open 890 (C9++). I may have intent to hammer, but I do still want to give Kitty a chance to respond and to gather my thoughts, do so more re-reading before I make that decision.

C9++ was not one of my proudest games honestly. I kind of slept that game. I sometimes sleep as town. When I don't sleep that doesn't make me scum. It means I am not sleeping.

[KittyTacky]

I agree with that to an extent.

I get the Roden reads, I think it’s solid.

I’m just in a situation where I can just see that Kitty is scum here.

I read Kitty as scum almost every time they are scum.

I like the energy against the Kitty wagon too.

Well you'll be wrong this time.

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I don't want to push FL. I don't townread FL either. I have kinda given up on reading FL ever.

[KittyTacky]

VOTE: yessiree

[KittyTacky]

Also I kinda hate having to pull this out but fyi for people who don't know, I am autistic so that's why I always play like this.

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This tracks with Kitty likely being scarred by my gambit in the Micro I was scum a little while back.

I think that was the game that made me throw in the towel with that yeah.

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I don't understand why we're moving from the kitty wagon, I don't find anything they've said recently towny.

I also think Naerys' posts today are very bad.
If we're moving wagons I would rather go there.

I think it’s a mix of AtE/meta, where I personally haven’t ever seen Kitty fight like that to stay alive, as either alignment.

When they’re caught, and pressured that hard, they normally come in awkward and still go down, where here, I think they made a connection to some people, and AtE was in fact pretty strong.

But I understand why some wouldn’t buy it, it just felt like others needed more to end up limming Kitty, and if Kitty is scum, they did enough to avoid getting the required votes on them.

I will say, though, if Kitty is town, scum moving off of Kitty after Kitty claimed VT is highly likely.

Actually I tend to fold easier as scum.

[KittyTacky]

"He's putting in more effort so he must be scum because he puts in more effort as scum" is a fallacious 'tell'. Maybe I'm taking this game more seriously.

Is it fallacious or just annoying from your perspective?

Yes it's fallacious. What if I decide I am putting in more effort as town?

[KittyTacky]

"He's putting in more effort so he must be scum because he puts in more effort as scum" is a fallacious 'tell'. Maybe I'm taking this game more seriously.

Is it fallacious or just annoying from your perspective?

Yes it's fallacious. What if I decide I am putting in more effort as town?

Than putting in more effort as scum would not be your meta.

Fallacy doesn't mean anything that could possibly be wrong.

Well meta can change.

[KittyTacky]

Or be a tenuous and unreliable "meta".

Genuinely I see no point in effort-metaing ANYONE not just myself in particular. People are engaged at different levels.

[KittyTacky]

I'm pretty sure that was the game and FL just got me and KittyMo mixed up rn.

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I have vague memories of a player named KittyMo existing at one point.

[KittyTacky]

Was busy today, more study than usual, there's a test soon.

FL feels very different to 245

sorry i can't do divination and know what this means, can you explain?

in 245 FL was contorlling the narrative with large posts of 'analysis' to manipulate the gamestate
here FL is saying things and people are going "yea sure, sounds good"

Yeah I don't feel FL is really dominating this game rn. I mean yeah people sheeped his push on me but he's not flooding it like he sometimes does.

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Or be a tenuous and unreliable "meta".

Genuinely I see no point in effort-metaing ANYONE not just myself in particular. People are engaged at different levels.

The point is that the different levels can and often are indicative of alignment.

I feel like this is already very obvious so idk why I'm arguing about it

I just think it's an anti-town tell, as in the tell itself is anti-town if not necessarily SCUMMY, because it can discourage townies to put effort into the game.

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I don't know how to say it, the reasoning made sense in my head.

[KittyTacky]

Ele claim feels real. Too much of a wild conspiracy theory otherwise.

[KittyTacky]

To be entirely fair I wasn't even registering it as ATE when I was typing it.

[KittyTacky]

Where's yessiree? Oddly calm for e-2.

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Where's yessiree? Oddly calm for e-2.

where am I? where are you broski? I feel like I've played the game more than you even though i missed an entire day

I respond when I feel I have something to say.

And well I meant where are you as in, you're very nonchalant about being run up. I kinda disagree that that's a town thing. It's mildly scummy to add to the pile, if anything.

[KittyTacky]

Roll your eyes all you want, you just feel absent despite posting quite a bit.

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It's mildly scummy to add to the pile, if anything.

what pile

Of reasons to scumread you.

[KittyTacky]

Neighbor Semi-Procrastinating Role Cop

my action doesn't succeed (no result) when all 3 mafia are still alive during the night

Role cop isn't necessarily a town role but ok.

UNVOTE: I don't really wanna vote a claimed PR.

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Ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

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It's mildly scummy to add to the pile, if anything.

what pile

Of reasons to scumread you.

must be an imaginary pile then

where have you given any reasons for scumreading me? I only remember you saying im too nonchalant about being wagoned, but that's after you voteparked on me for a while and that's just you projecting how town should react in my shoes

I was sheeping FL.

[KittyTacky]

VOTE: yess

actually throwing here if you think this is the play

"If you vote me you're throwing"

COME ON

VOTE: yessiree

[KittyTacky]

On what planet is this a town response to a vote.

[KittyTacky]

Serious question, has anyone ever seen any town accuse a pusher of throwing?

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why i know there are 3 scums?

because it's in the setup you absolute doofs

I don't see anywhere in the OP or the game announcement about how many scum there are......in fact, specifically said it was a closed setup.

To be fair,

The Setup

Closed! You'll learn all about it as the game unfolds.

I make the following guarantees:

1. There is only one scumteam, which has 3 members
   . Consequently, there are 10 townies. No alignment changes are possible.
   
2. At least one player is a Vanilla Townie.
   
3. Inherent multitasking and daytalk.
   
4. There are no additional mechanics to this game and Role PMs are correct. You were assigned the role that you were PM'd.
   
5. There are no hidden reliabilities. Any and all investigatives will return correct results.
   
6. Generally speaking I'm following NAR if there are disputes. There shouldn't be, but just in case.
   
7. This game is not Normal.

My lawyer has advised me not to comment further on the setup than this. Have fun!

There's a reason when I put a global informed in my game "Conway's Game Of Life", I made the text gigantic so everyone saw it.

[KittyTacky]

Serious question, has anyone ever seen any town accuse a pusher of throwing?

Remember Nancy?

I... okay I may have forgot about that incident. But iirc it was in different circumstances.

[KittyTacky]

I still think it doesn't look good. Not a good kind of AtE.

[KittyTacky]

My head hurts. Both literally, because I'm a bit sick, and figuratively because this mech argument confused me.

I need a small break, see yall in like 3 hours.

[KittyTacky]

On what planet is this a town response to a vote.

idk, on planet Earth where we have claimed cop, tracker, and an invention that can all confirm my role???

i think my role will be very relevant later on, and it's not an overreaction at all to think yall are throwing here, especially Drew like i expected him of all people to understand that

Where was the normal cop claim? I must have missed it.

[KittyTacky]

Because without proving your alignment I don't think your role really makes you townie. You could be a scum role cop.

[KittyTacky]

@Gamma you missed this also!

why would the cop get a "no result" pm? if he got roleblocked his action should fail

Something's fishy.

Why do you know that exact line and why did Yessiree attempt to use it still?

I will say that with my role, I can get back a 'no result' message from the mod.

Who said I was a cop?

I assumed you are an investigative

What?

[KittyTacky]

wtf was this EoD.

[KittyTacky]

The claim of Kitty tryharding is weird too, because Kitty only made 7 posts on Day 1.

Idk. Just weird overall. Yessiree was out of sync, if they're town, i think we get a lot of information from this, and frankly, we aren't losing too much based on them claiming against a Vanillaizer along with 3 scum alive still.


In addition, choosing to make an action while knowing they couldn't, also makes it so people could get false Motion Detection and such actions, which is kind of annoying, and maybe that's why it's there specifically, and it's like targeting an Ascetic.

My main thing in thinking is that a ScumYess, thinking I really targeted them and got a positive action tried to soft defend themselves with the claim to warrant having an action used.

To be fair I did put more effort than I usually would d1.

[KittyTacky]

I still don't really get the Looker case.

[KittyTacky]

*tumbleweed rolls past*

[KittyTacky]

*crickets start to chirp*

(gn all)

[KittyTacky]

I don't think Looker is particularly scummy, but Yess death didn't really clear or even point against him so I wouldn't really oppose a lim there.

[KittyTacky]

I doubt BOTH scum jumped on my wagon at once, that would take colossal balls, doubt it's Roden.

[KittyTacky]

Even if Roden backed away it's still not good optics to naked vote twice in a row like that.

[KittyTacky]

I have a longshot conspiracy theory that Elements may be the deep wolf of the group. Called out being Vanillaized early but is actually the Alien Vanillaizer. Had to put on my tin foil hat for that one.

So you're saying vanillaizer holstered, or risked getting a second vanillaise claimed and be put in an an awkward situation? Yeah this is very much a crackpot theory.

[KittyTacky]

And Yessiree calling out Drew’s voting on Yess as ‘throwing’ feels like scum mad at their partner.

And I can see why Drew felt the need to bus yesterday. It wasn’t without a few chances to try and move the wagon onto a Roden, onto a Naerys.

Naerys thought one of Roden or Drew was scum.
Celebloki also thought one of Roden or Drew was scum. Naerys was a wagon possibility, Celebloki was gifted frail.

Setups for when Roden flips town.

I also specifically had the feeling of someone moving off of Kitty after Kitty claimed VT was scum, and Drew is the one that was front and center in that.

Drew voted me literally just after Yess did.

I'm... wary of voting Drew because of that. Would scum really be so brazen?

[KittyTacky]

*just before

[KittyTacky]

So my crackpot theory wasn't so crackpot?

Apparently.

Intent to vote Elements.

[KittyTacky]

I think if we're believing FL, Naerys kind of has to be cleared. Unless she holstered. I think with the single factional kill, all the Alien team are PRs and she would have gone somewhere N1 if she could. Their team has to be Rolecop, Inventor (Or whatever gave out Vulnerable and Frail), and Vanillaizer right?

Inventor could be a factional ability imo.

I think Alien Tech = factional inventor

[KittyTacky]

Aliens wanted to frail me? I would say thanks for the bus then, Looker.
FL raised valid points against elements. Drew/ elements is where we should decide today

Ele literally got caught lying, wdym decide?

[KittyTacky]

Ele is the lim today, literally outed as a liar with no good reason to lie. YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEET

[KittyTacky]

Why wait until now to tell us you Bussed two people on N1 when you're only a 1-shot?

Bus driver targets 2 players.

[KittyTacky]

Is Bloodhound even a real role. Ome would think it would detect blood, aka a killer

Don’t know why it wouldn’t just be Cop. Could be a flavor for Alien, I guess, but that doesn’t track considering Yessiree flipped Role Cop.

It might have been an obtuse clue that we're not dealing with maf, then?

Or it could be a fake claim since she knows that it's not maf.

[KittyTacky]

Obtuse clue from setup maker I mean.

[KittyTacky]

VOTE: Elements

[KittyTacky]

Shoot: Cook

[KittyTacky]

Get them boys!

[KittyTacky]

KILL! KILL! KILL! MAIM! KILL! DESTROY!

[KittyTacky]

On a serious note I think Vander flaked.

[KittyTacky]

This is the rare derp phase that comes before there is a hammer.

[KittyTacky]

Yeah, and I'm the king of Tonga.

[KittyTacky]

GG all, fun to play and read despite being kind of a steamroll.

3 scum fades in a row.

And a Page 7 quick fade on Wheme.

But people doubt the quick wagon on a Vanilla

D1 quickwagons win games when you’re around lmfao

You and Kitty got so unbelievably townie.

And to an extent, so did Naerys and Celebloki, but not as much as the two of you.

This was one of Kitty’s strongest performances I’ve seen. They brought the claws to this one.

Thanks I really tried!

[KittyTacky]

First time playing with aliens.