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VOTE: heip 5 feels awkward as hell-
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the deadlines are 10 days long
i'm used to 10 minute long deadlines bro i don't got the attention span for this-
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god i don't like day start. it's just useless crap, like bro i want a detective to get a guilty on a busboy, i want a freeloader to cc cop and get condemned, i want a marksman to shoot a claimed seer. i don't want none of this "vanilla townie" crap-
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how will i ever live
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this reasoning only works if dragoneater is crap at playing scumIn post 32, OutWorldER wrote: VOTE: DragonEater70
24 was really bad and I don't see a town motivation to post it.-
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in what universe am i pushing the narrative that DE is scum for 24???In post 49, TheHoldSteady wrote:
24 also caught my eye on my initial readthrough (though not to the same intensity as Wartortle is making out). But unless you're bold enough to defend your partner's bad page one post on page two, I'll take this as face value.In post 33, usesPython wrote:
DE's normally like that, I don't think 24 is alignment indicativeIn post 32, OutWorldER wrote: VOTE: DragonEater70
24 was really bad and I don't see a town motivation to post it.
So, what else? Wartortle scum for continuing to push this narrative even when there's new evidence to work against it?
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i played a bit on epicmafia and mafia.gg in 2020/2021. i'm p sure i had an account here in 2021 and signed up for a newbie but idk my account name anymoreIn post 54, TheHoldSteady wrote: Wartortle are you an alt or do you come from a different site? you come across as much more experienced than your post count would indicate.-
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VOTE: outworld-
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actually no
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this does not make sense.In post 49, TheHoldSteady wrote: So, what else? Outworlder scum for continuing to push this narrative even when there's new evidence to work against it?
in 32 OWER calls dragon scum for self-consciousness
in 33, python says that's normal for town dragon
in 34, OWER can't find town dragon doing something similarly self-conscious
then, THS says that OWER is scum because OWER in 34 would have dropped his bad line of reasoning instead of elaborating and looking at dragon's past game
this is a bad argument.i do not find python's evidence in 33 convincing enough to make OWER's 34 seem idiotic or scummy, and i do not like how THS tries to frame 33 as completely convincingly refuting OWER's case on dragon.-
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i saw 59 and it failed the vibe check so i voted OWERIn post 64, DragonEater70 wrote: Tortle, walk me through these votes
i then went back to THS' case and realized that it sucked-
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supIn post 79, DragonEater70 wrote: Anyone here?-
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absolutely transparent scum buddyingIn post 71, AnimatedWiz wrote: Afrayed, how are you feeling about TheHoldSteady right now? I feel like y’all have similar playstyles, so you might have a better insight into this push than I do.-
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either wizzler is super new to mafia and genuinely has thought processes like this as town, or wizzy is new but notsupernew to mafia and tries to badly pocket affrayed like this as scum-
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the question itself that's made in 71 will never lead to anything productive, it depends if wiz has the ability as town to recognize this-
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would he have illogical posts like that as town too?In post 85, BlackStar wrote:
In the game that I played with Wiz recently, he was scum and made a lot of posts like that. I wanted to wait and see if he made more posts that reminded me of that game instead of immediately pointing it out thoughIn post 82, Wartortle wrote: either wizzler is super new to mafia and genuinely has thought processes like this as town, or wizzy is new but notsupernew to mafia and tries to badly pocket affrayed like this as scum-
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uhh maybe. i'll defer to your judgement because i'm not a huge forum mafia dudeIn post 104, usesPython wrote:
I don't get it, it's easier to read people with similar playstyles as you so how is 71 unproductiveIn post 83, Wartortle wrote: the question itself that's made in 71 will never lead to anything productive, it depends if wiz has the ability as town to recognize this-
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lazy ass readsIn post 118, DragonEater70 wrote: Anyway, while I don't think THS's wagon is NECESSARILY scum motivated, I do think it's >rand that there would be at least one scum who voted them (regardless of THS's alignment), simply because that's how early game wagons work. I like Wartortle, I hate myself but know am not scum*, I semi-like Pythin and I'm trying to pocket Naerys.-
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will i get townread if i post stuff that vaguely sounds like content a lot
on the chat mafia sites i played on that was true-
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this is the least spicy take i have seen in my lifeIn post 122, usesPython wrote:
This is pretty spicyIn post 120, DragonEater70 wrote: Also Wiz could definitely be scum here.-
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why would ths being scum necessitate me being town? why would naerys be expected to call me town there?In post 125, usesPython wrote:Like this just gives off bad vibes, feels like she wants to push THS without calling wartle town
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i'm tryna post a lot so that people will respond to me and give me more content to read from, no?In post 127, AnimatedWiz wrote: I just feel like Wartortle is trying to do a lot of persuading very early off of very little, which could be a playstyle thing… but as of now, best scumread I have.
anyways wiz's logic is crap but he's town
inexperienced and unsure scum are gonna cower in the face of someone trying to be a town leader like me, especially if i'm already scumreading them-
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go springboks!In post 150, Afrayed Knott wrote: Hi, All VLA as it’s the weekend, I see this has picked up, so will read it tomorrow night and get my thoughts down. Had a quick skim and seen at least one question to me about THS. Back to watching rugby and drinking special
beverages…. Cheers all-
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yeah it is, unfortunatelyIn post 179, BlackStar wrote: THS raging, calling everybody dumb and self voting felt really townie.
i'm gonna VOTE: python-
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yeah i do not get the same feeling as uIn post 200, usesPython wrote:
I mean if someones making cases you agree with that should make them townier in your eyes, I think the vibe feels off more because she avoids saying anything about you hereIn post 185, Wartortle wrote:
why would ths being scum necessitate me being town? why would naerys be expected to call me town there?In post 125, usesPython wrote:Like this just gives off bad vibes, feels like she wants to push THS without calling wartle town
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yIn post 203, DragonEater70 wrote: BUT you are towny regardless-
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i like 212 and i'm tempted to townbin ths for it. i also feel like scum smiley would probably want to scumread ths in this situation-
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i thought so too but i could see that question coming from the model i have of wiz in my head rnIn post 220, DragonEater70 wrote: This is such a useless question to ask and it's making me feel Wiz is just trying to appear like he's solving and engaging, but doesn't have any real intent behind it.-
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you all probably know better ani better than i do so i'll vote along with the scumcase-
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i guess? i don't quite see why any of that stuff isn't fakeable thoIn post 276, SmileyDude1 wrote: I vibe with stuff like 37, 102, 199-200 as posts which contribute to the game state-
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a lot of wiz's posts are frankly baffling, and yeah, i get why ower's case is valid, i think ower is probably town for it,howeveri could see inexperienced/unsure town making those posts
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i think de is scum trying to push a vulnerable slot for bad reasonsIn post 309, DragonEater70 wrote: Just for the record, this is the post I typed out earlier (before I fell asleep):
VOTE: Wiz
I just don't see anything towny about him. I'm not saying the slot *screams* "scum", but I feel I could towncase literally everyone in this game except Wiz, Enchant and Hu Tao. And Hu Tao has made 2 posts. And Enchant is Enchant.-
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i wasn't making a good distinction between newbie town and newbie scum actuallyIn post 338, OutWorldER wrote:
I'm curious what you think those bad reasons are because DE's sounded reasonable on the last page to me. I think it's important to remember we're only like 14 pages and a few days into D1 with 6 days or so still remaining in the deadline. I could definitely understand if DE didn't have many definitive scumreads at this point and is simply pushing the person he finds least towny.In post 336, Wartortle wrote:
i think de is scum trying to push a vulnerable slot for bad reasonsIn post 309, DragonEater70 wrote: Just for the record, this is the post I typed out earlier (before I fell asleep):
VOTE: Wiz
I just don't see anything towny about him. I'm not saying the slot *screams* "scum", but I feel I could towncase literally everyone in this game except Wiz, Enchant and Hu Tao. And Hu Tao has made 2 posts. And Enchant is Enchant.
I'm also curious on your viewpoint that Wiz is inexperienced town rather than scum because in my experience Wiz is playing mostly how inexperienced/unsure scum play. Half-hearted attempts to try and fake solving the game and then crumbling when a townie challenges him on it.-
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some random stuff with dragon and ths and ower and meIn post 347, Thestatusquo wrote: Is there anything super cool and exciting in the first 14 pages or is it just fluff?-
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In post 361, Wartortle wrote:
i wasn't making a good distinction between newbie town and newbie scum actuallyIn post 338, OutWorldER wrote:
I'm curious what you think those bad reasons are because DE's sounded reasonable on the last page to me. I think it's important to remember we're only like 14 pages and a few days into D1 with 6 days or so still remaining in the deadline. I could definitely understand if DE didn't have many definitive scumreads at this point and is simply pushing the person he finds least towny.In post 336, Wartortle wrote:
i think de is scum trying to push a vulnerable slot for bad reasonsIn post 309, DragonEater70 wrote: Just for the record, this is the post I typed out earlier (before I fell asleep):
VOTE: Wiz
I just don't see anything towny about him. I'm not saying the slot *screams* "scum", but I feel I could towncase literally everyone in this game except Wiz, Enchant and Hu Tao. And Hu Tao has made 2 posts. And Enchant is Enchant.
I'm also curious on your viewpoint that Wiz is inexperienced town rather than scum because in my experience Wiz is playing mostly how inexperienced/unsure scum play. Half-hearted attempts to try and fake solving the game and then crumbling when a townie challenges him on it.
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see i really want to townread wiz but posts like this just baffle meIn post 355, AnimatedWiz wrote: Hm… I think seeing how Roden reads everything up to this point and proceeds after will be great for clarifying some stuff on that slot—hopefully it’ll help y’all see what I’m seeing if multiple players act scummy in the same slot.-
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if that's at the edge of what he can do as scum then that's crazy nglIn post 352, usesPython wrote: I think posts like
are at like the edge of what he can do as scum, we're fine with letting Roden cook hereIn post 220, DragonEater70 wrote:
You are right, but I feel town!Enchant does make an effort to solve while scum Enchant doesn't. It's probably too early to judge, but honestly I expected town!Enchant to come in and vote someone and talk about how that person is obvscum, even if it was in a trollish way and with troll reasoning.In post 213, SmileyDude1 wrote:Can you elaborate on this? AFAIK Enchant seems to have a jokey NotMafia-esque vibe to them so gut instinct is that's an NAI entrance for them.
However that read is a weaker scumread than that that I just got on Wiz from asking that question.-
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cuz i think he's townIn post 366, TheHoldSteady wrote:
WhyIn post 365, Wartortle wrote: i think we should leave wiz alive and drag him to the finish line
and if he's not town then he'll probably out himself as scum later-
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In post 146, Naerys wrote:
Well... this feels like buddying scumIn post 145, BlackStar wrote: What about you?
this post feels so off
VOTE: naerysIn post 152, Naerys wrote:
It feels like " look how i am working with town to catch the scum", attempt to get some info and position urself into town readsIn post 147, BlackStar wrote:
How?In post 146, Naerys wrote:
Well... this feels like buddying scumIn post 145, BlackStar wrote: What about you?
this post feels so off
i don't think town actually believes this and naerys' pushes this game have been for bad reasoning-
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do you really want me to link my MU account that i haven’t played on in yearsIn post 371, Thestatusquo wrote: I'm on page 8 and I think wartortle is scum for a few reasons.
1) He seems to be very concerned about presence and thread control. He keeps popping up with these rapid fire takes that don't really go anywhere. He's trying to fake the care free spewing thoughts playstyle of unconcerned town but if you dig to the bottom of these takes theres nothing there; no follow through, nothing. We don't see him pushing for his preferred narrative we just see takes. Takes and takes and takes.
2) I think he's playing up the whole "I'm new here" to a pretty comical degree and I think its a lie. I don't know whose alt this is but its definitely an alt.
In post 19, Wartortle wrote: the deadlines are 10 days long
i'm used to 10 minute long deadlines bro i don't got the attention span for thisIn post 20, Wartortle wrote: god i don't like day start. it's just useless crap, like bro i want a detective to get a guilty on a busboy, i want a freeloader to cc cop and get condemned, i want a marksman to shoot a claimed seer. i don't want none of this "vanilla townie" crap
Give me a break, dude. You know what you're doing. You know forum mafia. Cut the crap.In post 181, Wartortle wrote:
uhh maybe. i'll defer to your judgement because i'm not a huge forum mafia dudeIn post 104, usesPython wrote:
I don't get it, it's easier to read people with similar playstyles as you so how is 71 unproductiveIn post 83, Wartortle wrote: the question itself that's made in 71 will never lead to anything productive, it depends if wiz has the ability as town to recognize this
This doesn't make tortle scum on their own but they're just very obviously lying about this. Read the rest of their posts.
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how does me pushing ths not count as me pushing for my preferred narrative, exactly? how does me pushing naerys not count as me pushing to get pressure on a slightly scummy slot? it makes no sense broIn post 371, Thestatusquo wrote: I'm on page 8 and I think wartortle is scum for a few reasons.
1) He seems to be very concerned about presence and thread control. He keeps popping up with these rapid fire takes that don't really go anywhere. He's trying to fake the care free spewing thoughts playstyle of unconcerned town but if you dig to the bottom of these takes theres nothing there; no follow through, nothing. We don't see him pushing for his preferred narrative we just see takes. Takes and takes and takes.
i haven’t been the most active scum hunter of all time but you’re framing it as if it’s much bigger than it actually is
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ok buddy that can be left as an exercise to the readerIn post 414, Thestatusquo wrote:
no I want you to stop lying about not being an alt of a MS userIn post 411, Wartortle wrote:
do you really want me to link my MU account that i haven’t played on in yearsIn post 371, Thestatusquo wrote: I'm on page 8 and I think wartortle is scum for a few reasons.
1) He seems to be very concerned about presence and thread control. He keeps popping up with these rapid fire takes that don't really go anywhere. He's trying to fake the care free spewing thoughts playstyle of unconcerned town but if you dig to the bottom of these takes theres nothing there; no follow through, nothing. We don't see him pushing for his preferred narrative we just see takes. Takes and takes and takes.
2) I think he's playing up the whole "I'm new here" to a pretty comical degree and I think its a lie. I don't know whose alt this is but its definitely an alt.
In post 19, Wartortle wrote: the deadlines are 10 days long
i'm used to 10 minute long deadlines bro i don't got the attention span for thisIn post 20, Wartortle wrote: god i don't like day start. it's just useless crap, like bro i want a detective to get a guilty on a busboy, i want a freeloader to cc cop and get condemned, i want a marksman to shoot a claimed seer. i don't want none of this "vanilla townie" crap
Give me a break, dude. You know what you're doing. You know forum mafia. Cut the crap.In post 181, Wartortle wrote:
uhh maybe. i'll defer to your judgement because i'm not a huge forum mafia dudeIn post 104, usesPython wrote:
I don't get it, it's easier to read people with similar playstyles as you so how is 71 unproductiveIn post 83, Wartortle wrote: the question itself that's made in 71 will never lead to anything productive, it depends if wiz has the ability as town to recognize this
This doesn't make tortle scum on their own but they're just very obviously lying about this. Read the rest of their posts.
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yeah my read on ani is fence-sitty cuz i can’t read him but i was also p strongly townreading him earlierIn post 416, Black wrote: Ok I have read the remaining pages
I think Annie feels pretty townie this game and I hate this wagon composition. OWER has been fine I think but I haven't liked much from the other 3 slots here. Hu Tao isn't doing anything, BlackStar seems to just be pushing things along in a really agenda driven way and I think his vote is the worst on the wagon, and then DE70 has pinged me quite a bit this game. With DE70 though I think I'm willing to hold off there for now. I have a history of not really liking his posts ever so I need to check my bias thereIn post 376, Dannflor wrote: AnimatedWizard [4] : OutWorldER, Hu Tao, BlackStar, Roden
I would be ok voting for Hu/BS, but I think I want to sheep Shea right now. I agree that something feels off about about Wartortle. I don't like how he has interacted with the game so far and his townread on Wiz feels a little too on-the-fence for me with the constant repeating of how baffling his posts feel and how he could be newbscum. 333 doesn't feel good either
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what’s the difference between being flip floppy and being town trying to figure ani out when i don’t have a good read on himIn post 421, Black wrote:
Doesn't really seem like it to meIn post 418, Wartortle wrote:
yeah my read on ani is fence-sitty cuz i can’t read him but i was also p strongly townreading him earlierIn post 416, Black wrote: Ok I have read the remaining pages
I think Annie feels pretty townie this game and I hate this wagon composition. OWER has been fine I think but I haven't liked much from the other 3 slots here. Hu Tao isn't doing anything, BlackStar seems to just be pushing things along in a really agenda driven way and I think his vote is the worst on the wagon, and then DE70 has pinged me quite a bit this game. With DE70 though I think I'm willing to hold off there for now. I have a history of not really liking his posts ever so I need to check my bias thereIn post 376, Dannflor wrote: AnimatedWizard [4] : OutWorldER, Hu Tao, BlackStar, Roden
I would be ok voting for Hu/BS, but I think I want to sheep Shea right now. I agree that something feels off about about Wartortle. I don't like how he has interacted with the game so far and his townread on Wiz feels a little too on-the-fence for me with the constant repeating of how baffling his posts feel and how he could be newbscum. 333 doesn't feel good either
VOTE: Wartortle
81 you said his post was "absolutely transparent scum buddying"
You ride the fence in 82
In 184 you said "Wiz could be scum" was the "least spicy take I have seen in my life"
186 you give a definitive "Wiz is town" for some reason
In 333 you say you don't know Annie well so you're down to vote for him, despite townreading him?
You ride the fence more in 364
To me your read here seems really flip-floppy and not in a natural townie way trying to figure him out. It feels like you have an agenda-
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i do too and THS and probably Black are town for it - it doesn’t look like a pocket attempt either
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smiley’s scum lean on you was hardly a push. he voted you on page 11 and barely mentioned you for 8 more pages until he put you as a scum lean in his readlist.In post 455, Naerys wrote: I am not scum lol, stop pushing me smiley
this is scum.
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blackstar's analysis on page 19 is questionable but it only's really AI if he's wolf w/me and obviously he's not-
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In post 477, BlackStar wrote:
After rereading his ISO, I think you have a point about him not trying hard to push his reads through. Before I saw him as being willing to change his reads and adapt, but now it feels like he's just shifting his vote to anyone for weak reasonsIn post 472, Thestatusquo wrote: Does it seem to you like he's actually trying to make the lims he wants happen?good progression
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putting my thoughts out loudIn post 534, Black wrote:
What is the point of this postIn post 532, Wartortle wrote: blackstar's analysis on page 19 is questionable but it only's really AI if he's wolf w/me and obviously he's not-
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nah, i don't think scum are going to disagree with tsq for such bad reasons in that situationIn post 535, usesPython wrote:
You're not considering a pocket attempt?In post 532, Wartortle wrote: blackstar's analysis on page 19 is questionable but it only's really AI if he's wolf w/me and obviously he's not-
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never said that town are gonna deliberately have bad analysisIn post 538, usesPython wrote:
I liked his progression on the read but town also aren't gonna deliberately have bad analysis so it seems weird to me that you're putting down the analysis as townie when you apparently found it questionable.In post 537, Wartortle wrote:
nah, i don't think scum are going to disagree with tsq for such bad reasons in that situationIn post 535, usesPython wrote:
You're not considering a pocket attempt?In post 532, Wartortle wrote: blackstar's analysis on page 19 is questionable but it only's really AI if he's wolf w/me and obviously he's not-
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didn't i push naerys thoIn post 557, Black wrote: I'm not sold on Naerys!scum but I think if Wartortle flips red then she could be a partner. Her putting Wartortle at the bottom of her readslist and then forgetting that she thinks he could be scum makes me feel like the read may have not been real. She didn't respond to my post asking her to join the Wartortle wagon and doesn't seem to be interested in voting there at all despite scumreading him. Like OWER mentioned I kinda want to give her the benefit of the doubt with the surgery and tiredness though
I've never played with Naerys but she's giving more LHF vibes than anything, and I don't mean that as an insult in any way. I think some players are just more likely to be pushed than others-
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there's a difference cuz null is people who idc about either way but there are lot of reasons for wiz to be scum or townIn post 566, BlackStar wrote: If you have a null section, why do you also have Wiz in his own separate section called dunno?-
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mm sure? i guess my point is that it didn't seem super agenda driven but what you're saying makes senseIn post 640, usesPython wrote:
Yeah so if neither town nor scum are gonna have a deliberately bad argument and it happens anyways then I don't get how you'd get anything AI from itIn post 635, Wartortle wrote:
never said that town are gonna deliberately have bad analysisIn post 538, usesPython wrote:
I liked his progression on the read but town also aren't gonna deliberately have bad analysis so it seems weird to me that you're putting down the analysis as townie when you apparently found it questionable.In post 537, Wartortle wrote:
nah, i don't think scum are going to disagree with tsq for such bad reasons in that situationIn post 535, usesPython wrote:
You're not considering a pocket attempt?In post 532, Wartortle wrote: blackstar's analysis on page 19 is questionable but it only's really AI if he's wolf w/me and obviously he's not-
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i skimmed through town Ower's iso in some bunnies game from 2022 and his tone was completely different to here
he lurked through the entire game, but he was quite analytical, moreso than in this game and his tone was different to this game
i don't think it's very convincing tho because he didn't have any games since 2021 before that-
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re: the town leader thing at that time i was posting a lot and widely townread, i don't think scum who are being pressured will go ahead and scumread meIn post 622, Roden wrote: Wartortle: A self proclaimed town leader that I'm fine with town binning for now. Depending on flips, I could see him potentially being a power wolf, but it feels very unlikely.
i'm not exactly a 'town leader' though-
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