Open 892 | Nomination Mafia | Postgame

[Bellaphant]

I totally signed up to this because they did this mechanic in the traitors! But it's not even worth talking about day two yet, is it?.

[Bellaphant]

If you mean repeat posting, it's fine..there'll also often be stuff to catch up on or lots of people around, so you can reply more than once and noone cares

[Bellaphant]

You must be near me!

[Bellaphant]

43 is good posting, 45 is bad

[Bellaphant]

VOTE: aureal

Semi serious vote

[Bellaphant]

I really didn't like 48? It felt a bit.... deflection? I don't like skygazers resposne either, both feel a bit try hard.

It's vibes, but it isn't nothing

[Bellaphant]

Weird vibes. You may just not have had your coffee yet *shrug*

[Bellaphant]

Black's my town read, but black is always my town read....

[Bellaphant]

VOTE: kitty

I'm not funny enough to shit post

[Bellaphant]

100 is weird either way tho

[Bellaphant]

I don't think she's pointing this at him, I think she's trying to engage. Chill, miss scum hunter

[Bellaphant]

But you haven't explained the intent, or why it's a good thing: the action itself is null to slightly scummy, the intent is ?? But you ar determin3 she is town

Let's ask another way: why is kitty town?

[Bellaphant]

Kitty, aureal, skygazer is my pool for today I think.

[Bellaphant]

@merlyn, why you voting for sky?

[Bellaphant]

I tend to read klicks games for my own amusement, so I've seen you on that a lot..team mafia too

[Bellaphant]

Yes tbf I've read...two of her scum games and was 50/50 on them

[Bellaphant]

I felt like I'd played more with aureal than I have, so she's also either played with klick, or just modded some games!

[Bellaphant]

Ugh, I don't want to say roulette looks informed, but that's how I feel. He's assigning town to the most random crap

[Bellaphant]

Kitty, aureal, skygazer is my pool for today I think.

Can you explain what you mean here? What's the rationale for wanting to flip in this pool?

I don't town read them? Even if we flip roulette I'm not sure it gives us more info.

Ugh, I don't want to say roulette looks informed, but that's how I feel. He's assigning town to the most random crap

It just seems like he's doing this to kitty. Do you think kitty is town?

I thought he also did it to aureal? I may be imagining things

There's more likely scum in the quieter people.

Hmm. If I'm wrong about kitty then I think he could be right about this. Scum could easily just be chilling watching me push a bad solve. I think in this world it could be something like Khaos/x

I'll try to reevaluate in the morning

I both agree and disagree with this! I'm so helpful! I think the game is really lacking in content, although we are finally picking up now, so scum could be doing anything: for example, sky is a thread presence but not moving the game on, khaos isn't contributing etc, but also against that backdrop it would be really easy for even the most basic of 'town posting ' to look good, coming from scum. (This low-key sounds like I'm aiming it at you, but I don't think so rn)

[Bellaphant]

Lol, I basically only tr black . Honestly I'm trying not to be a dick and just hard gun for khaos and roulette for not engaging properly.

I mean, look at his iso .he's sure posting, but has he said anything for the thread's progress

[Bellaphant]

Roulette cant answer a question with an actual explanation, though.

[Bellaphant]

Why you so bothered by my reads? Wanna show me yours?

[Bellaphant]

? Then ask me more questions. I dunno why you are being so aggy, I'm literally trying to answer you

[Bellaphant]

Why you so bothered by my reads? Wanna show me yours?

[Bellaphant]

Yeah, agree with both those posts: aureal felt weirdly combative last night about nothing (And sstill hasn't shared her own reads after I asked her twice, while telling me off for not explaining mine)

I'm not really sure what else to say either? I don't want to pick on the lhf newbies who seem to have ESOL, skygazer has posts in their iso bit is severely lacking game related content (as I said, no progress), mer's not here and black just looks good in comparison! Like, there just isn't much more to say?

[Bellaphant]

Also, no, I said skygazer wasn't progressing and roulette was struggling to explain their answers, so maybe aureal misunderstood and then got mad I wasn't answering the wrong question;)

[Bellaphant]

@ sky I'm not trying to be a dick..can you read maybe khaos and aureal and give me any thoughts?

[Bellaphant]

@mod, had merlyn been prodded?

[Bellaphant]

? I'm really confused.

I don't disagree with the first sentence, I do with the second and the third one is just wrong, sorry. Fourth, I am clearly talking about everyone?

[Bellaphant]

It's really demotivating too: my answers are either wrong, or lies! I'm trying, yo

P-edit you asked about skygazer before that. Sorry, maybe I was unclear. The bit about roulette is about.... roulette, the other bit isn't

[Bellaphant]

Kitty, aureal, skygazer is my pool for today I think.

Can you explain what you mean here? What's the rationale for wanting to flip in this pool?

I don't town read them?

So you do townread Merlyn, Black, Roulette, and Khaos? Why?

for example, sky is a thread presence but not moving the game on, khaos isn't contributing etc, but also against that backdrop it would be really easy for even the most basic of 'town posting ' to look good, coming from scum. (This low-key sounds like I'm aiming it at you, but I don't think so rn)

Can you explain what you mean about Sky being a thread presence but not moving the game?

First bit, about everyone: I talked about roulette
Second bit: sky. I talked about sky.
Like you did!

Also, for about the millionth time: do you have any reads? Or are you gonna badger me all game from your high horse of....well, this is a confusing metaphor

[Bellaphant]

Roulette has more opinions than sky. I'm saying sky's presence in the thread consists of posts, but no game content. You are voting sky! I'm not sure where we went wrong, if we agree??

[Bellaphant]

Sky says any, did I get it wrong?sorry sky, let me know what you'd prefer

[Bellaphant]

I kind of understand why aureal got confused, but I thought the context clues of ..you know, sky's iso would be enough to sort?

Luckily, I have wine for after bedtime

[Bellaphant]

Sky!!!!

Roulette has opinions but I don't feel is doing well fleshing them out after questions are asked

Sky's iso is very very not game progress-y.

[Bellaphant]

i am kind of awful at day one and when you mix that with the kind of week ive been having this is what you get. i assure you that i can make up reads and have decent optics pretty effortlessly as scum, but obviously i cant be making up reads as town so

!

[Bellaphant]

@ sky I'm not trying to be a dick..can you read maybe khaos and aureal and give me any thoughts?

[Bellaphant]

^is it any wonder I have one town read! And, as I have implied elsewhere, it's not even like this stuff isnt easy to fake as scum and look better than most of the thread. I get being frustrated with the game, just not sure what I've particularly done wrong apart from engage in good faith

[Bellaphant]

Hey, aureal, let's not give up? I think we might agree more than you think: in really struggling for concrete reads in this mess, the depth of my answers is like....the depth of my read. I don't have more to give you because we are working with not much.

I think roulette might be town?

[Bellaphant]

I thought you seemed annoyed and a bit down and if you were town I wanted to get on the same page as you.

I've explained the black thing a lot: at this point I'm going to town read /any/. engagement. if she is scum tho, you are making this easy for her

[Bellaphant]

I thought you seemed annoyed and a bit down and if you were town I wanted to get on the same page as you.

I've explained the black thing a lot: at this point I'm going to town read /any/. engagement. if she is scum tho, you are making this easy for her

But you've been townreading Black since early on. Merlyn and Skygazer were also fairly engaged to start off, they've just dropped off a cliff since. You didn't start off by townreading Black's engagement in the game she linked, you started off scumreading her. What have you learned about her since then?

Where did black link a game? I can't see it in her iso?

[Bellaphant]

Lol, thought I'd caught you both out with a scum slip, I just can't read!

I really liked Black's page three: they questioned, engaged well with me about you, etc. I think part of the problem is that you are taking my page three read, where I also make a joke about how shit it is , as a big deal. Generally, I tend to read blacks style as more townie, sometimes just based.on vibes.. sometimes I'm wrong. I've found they occasionally have really weird takes as town, though.

I wonder why though, because you know who's also tr-ing black by page three? Sky!

I'm not liking everything I do, even the blandest of things, being an issue for you. It's super disheartening

Just three pages? I missed smaller games so much y'all have no idea.

Rough quickfire reads:

Black / Bellaphant
Merlyn / Roulette
KittyTacky / Aureal
Organized Khaos

[Bellaphant]

Actually, that's a pretty fine reads list, I'd forgetten how much it passed the vibe check.

[Bellaphant]

You need to make kitty the leading wagon, if you are town.

@mod,.are we getting a deadline extension because of the replacement?

[Bellaphant]

I have basically the same solve as kittytacky atm

VOTE: Aureal

I think I'd rather do this over Bellaphant, just cause I've seen scum Bella and this doesn't look the same. scum-Bella looks really pro-town lmfao

Harsh, but I did basically say this in my last game!

people giving roulette the newbcard pass but not khaos are mega sus

Yup

[Bellaphant]

1 scum within Bella and Aureal.

Y?

[Bellaphant]

1 scum within Bella and Aureal.

I have basically the same solve as kittytacky atm

VOTE: Aureal

I think I'd rather do this over Bellaphant, just cause I've seen scum Bella and this doesn't look the same. scum-Bella looks really pro-town lmfao

I said that since both wagons are likely town FMPOV, scum is likely in the somewhat semi-lurky people.

This is confusing? I can't work out whether either molla or kitty actually scum read me, which feels...a weird thing not to know

[Bellaphant]

Why would you eleswise?

Also, I've seen you as charismatic scum, so I'm watching u

[Bellaphant]

If I thought u must be mafia I'd be voting u

[Bellaphant]

A vanity wagon with less than a day to go, really??

[Bellaphant]

Oh yeah, sorry sky

[Bellaphant]

I think aureal would be playing really weirdly as scum to pick a fight, not back down when it was obvious to me it was miscommunication, and then back down ...after?

I'm going to be asleep for deadline but am fine with his, I think tomorrow is lots more info

[Bellaphant]

I've seen this down on the traitors twice: one time they nominated 1 traitor, 2 faithful, and the other time time 3 faithful.

[Bellaphant]

First reaction is if I have to vote one of the three, I vote khaos, but head hurty as aureal said

[Bellaphant]

Nah, I'm low-key sure molla is scum

[Bellaphant]

The picks are so weird and I do wonder if they are 'framing' aureal, and sky I was tr inf by the end of the day

[Bellaphant]

They made a few decent attempts to respond to me and I was surprised how much I liked their early readlisy. It's not much but it's better than I feel about khoas? We have to vote one today, right, but my vote is on molla in my heart

[Bellaphant]

That's an interesting point from aureal about the planning for the choice that's been made, because I didn't see much evidence of that from anyone. I don't know whether that means scum was in the less present people though.

[Bellaphant]

Would scum add their most SR player to the nom list though?

[Bellaphant]

True, just feels a weird first move? Like, who's it going to be tomorro. I maybe need to read the other games

[Bellaphant]

I agree with the last para

[Bellaphant]

For the millionth time, i was talking about sky!

[Bellaphant]

i don't think there's a danger of bbmolla or bellaphant hammering so this probably doesn't need saying but i wanna let the replacement cook for a bit before any hammers

Wait, wut?

[Bellaphant]

"cook" as in "show up and process things and generate content"

I meant the weird assertion that id hammer! Where did that read come fro

[Bellaphant]

Oh yeah, I can't read

[Bellaphant]

Id vote sky over aureal I think

[Bellaphant]

Why would I give a reasoning here? It seems pretty simple, I can only vote myself, you or Skygazer. I feel how things went you aren't scum, therefore I vote Skygazer. I also havent really liked a lot of Skygazer's posts since they seem appealy.

Well it's not simple if you don't say anything, and if you're actually town still nobody is going to be persuaded to see things your way if you don't explain your view. What exactly do you mean by "how things went" meaning I'm not scum?

because you tied with tacky who flipped town, meaning everyone wants to flip your slot automatically, or at least they should.

So it just seems too convenient, mafia wouldn’t put up their obvious own today unless they were hard bussing you and going for towncred and that clearly ain’t happening

But your slot was also a leading tied wagon for most of the day? The aureal wagon felt really last minute and there's at least one scum on that wagon.

I disagree with aureal about never seeing anyone role scum and not want to play: I see it a lot, especially in newbies?

[Bellaphant]

If we think all three are town, is it worth them having a quick chat about reads/what to do next/ their preferred elimination?

[Bellaphant]

It's too late to flashwagon gob, isn't it? The slot has the least solve engery of the three.

[Bellaphant]

I’m at Bella/Aureal atm

Sky and Gob both seem town

Have you ever seen me do scum theatre before, like the arguement I had with aureal?

The answers no, btw, because I just don't.

[Bellaphant]

Black's aureal vote does look bad though.

But this looks exactly like the game me and molla were scum in from him

[Bellaphant]

Overall reads then?

[Bellaphant]

Like, I like about three posts in your iso.

[Bellaphant]

VOTE: molla

I'm not doing anything else today. Slots that don't engage me and just decide I'm scum just aren't sorting. Aureal wanted to sort me.

[Bellaphant]

Scum bussing could happen here, but it would have to be really skilful. I think I only ever reconsider my read on black If molla flips town, which I'm pretty confident won't happen.

Gob, we aren't communicating, have you got any questions for me?

[Bellaphant]

Maybe planned is a better word? If scum agreed to bus here, there's a high chance they could ride the towncres tomorrow, even enough to maybe risk nominating themselves and be part of the 'well, the nominations are all town ' convo: look how we've left gob and sky alone today, even though there was some momentum on him.
So like, I look at you me and roulette and see if that fits, but I don't think roulette looked planned enough and you have enough town-cred to not need to take that risk, even though it would be a solid play for someone maybe like sky.

Am I making sense? I feel like I want to convey something fairly simple and am making this hard

[Bellaphant]

Wagon on me is awful

Considering your two top scum reads are voting you, does it seem likely that both still are scum?


I worry that scum!molla wouldn't play this badly, but actually I think he's just engaging as little as possible to reduce associative with his partner

[Bellaphant]

They'll? I thought it was me and black?

[Bellaphant]

Why aren't u voting me? If I was scum with aureal and scum with black, surely you vote me?

[Bellaphant]

Cool, give me the elevator pitch

[Bellaphant]

When you get the chance gob I would like to hear why you think Bella/Roulette are partnered

We know that Day 1, both Kitty and Aureal are town. So in retrospect we know that the mafia had no dog in that fight. So I suspect the 2 mafia are on seperate wagons.
One of Black/Bella is scum 100%. The night kill on kitty was off the wagon of Kitty. Usually scum kill someone who wasnt on the same wagon and them (for reasons).

Roulette I looked at the ISO, and I felt Roulette sits on the fence a bunch, especially at the EoD1. Less of a good read I guess.

Also, what fight? The fight between wagons? I thought aureal was town. In fact, I remember saying that after the nominations, aureal was likely put up as the decoy: I don't like the fact that you are now sring me for...being right? Whilst getting basic stuff wrong about the game, like an imaginary night kill.

NGL, I'm frustrated because I've reached out to you twice and got nothing.

[Bellaphant]

@black, you just finished a game with scum!gob, which I have briefly read about twenty pages of. Thoughts?

[Bellaphant]

Explain your logic? Like, it just seems a weird poe with weirder conclusions surrounding it.
Black, it feels similar to me, but I dunno if I just have issues with the playstyle

[Bellaphant]

No, that's a conclusion. Where's the thought process. Also, there wasn't a nk.

[Bellaphant]

Ok, so it's...nothing else? It's vca and not play based?

I think black/could/ be scum, but right now I think molla's play is scummier. Do you agree? Leave your vca out of it. If molla flips town, I think I look again at black but right now, I'd rather leave her alone because she is providing content, unlike most other people.

[Bellaphant]

Literally the only towny thing molla has said is that blacks votes look shady, which does seem true.

@black, talk me through the aureal vote?

[Bellaphant]

I was surprised you voted for aureal, mainly, but I see what you are saying.

[Bellaphant]

Because that's still 50/50, gob, so play must come into it somewhere. Or when I flip town, are you going to spend tomorrow just campaigning for black and not reasses?

[Bellaphant]

Black jumping off molla's wagon does look shit though.

Sky, where's your head at?

[Bellaphant]

I guess I don't get the roulette read? Also, if you were happy with molla, just feels weird to get off at e-1? Tbf, roulette is like my least confident read

P-edit god help me. Actually that's not true - I'd /like/ sky to be town, but I'd also like them to produce some solving content

[Bellaphant]

No, your logic is still shit because it doesn't involve play. I'm actually suggesting that doing that tomorrow would be ridiculous. I'm receptive to talking to you, not this weird idea that vca is king, especially when 50% of the lim options have been decided by scum

Also, you are asking why someone who is onw of your 50/50 (so, according to you, isnt scum with me, so would theoretically have a partner, a partner that you don't apparently have a read on who it is) jumping off their 'scum read' when they get to e-1 looks Sus?That doesn't ring any alarm bells?

[Bellaphant]

It's one aspect. I've already said blacks votes are a bit Sus. I'm asking you to now consider play at all, or even the fact that me/black, in your world view, must have a partner.

[Bellaphant]

@black and I guess gob, I've seen exactly that happen with partners before tho?
Although I agree that roulettes last post is weird. This game is confusing though. The thing I'm certain of is molla flipping scum, but then I don't really know what's next. I just don't know if fairly new scum act like roulette?

[Bellaphant]

Maybe I'm blind on roulette. Like, if gob is just town that I can't see eue to eye with, then my poe is very small.

[Bellaphant]

Molla also seemed to copy kitty's reads straight away and then walk them back on the same page. Just weird.

[Bellaphant]

Like, this isn't how I interact with partners ever. I don't just hard push for them to be elimed. If they are town, maybe it's worth going back to your 50/50, but it ain't me

[Bellaphant]

What's stopping you finding me, black?

[Bellaphant]

Ok, like...I feel like we aren't gonna get much further if we don't elim in me/you/molla but I'm paranoid I'm playing into quiet scum's hands.

If gob is town, then our poe options are tiny

[Bellaphant]

Roulette, do you have ar
Readlist?

[Bellaphant]

I have two, conflicting theories on why this lim' is stalling. #cognitivedissonance

[Bellaphant]

Well, either molla is scum and his partner is stalling, or molla is town but it leaves scum in an awkward place for noms tomorrow, but the only other viable wagons are roulette (poss scum) or me, who is a town and b lost momentum a while ago

[Bellaphant]

Yeah, he's chatting shit to hide his partner I believe, but everyone but you me and gob is quiet,

[Bellaphant]

I guess I still feel he's the likeliest partner, sorry, I think I made a little town block there;)

[Bellaphant]

I mean, I think he's knows he's stuck. I'm just surprised he didn't do it two days ago

[Bellaphant]

We can get today wrong and still win tomorrow? This is ridiculously wifom but would scum!roulette nominate themselves twice?

[Bellaphant]

I think the fact that me and black have been put up is playing into gobs theory: I think this means gob could be town scum is trying to appeal to?

[Bellaphant]

Nah, molla was fucked no matter what, I'm surprised it took him that long to self hammer. I'm more weirded out by blacks unvote at all, like molla was obv scum?

I kinda just wanna hear from gob? For wagon Poe it maybe should be black today, because I figure Im fairly clear by yesterday?

[Bellaphant]

Day 1 Count II

Organized Khaos (3) - KittyTacky, Skygazer, Roulette
Black (1) - Aureal
Roulette (1) - Organized Khaos
Aureal (1) - Black
Skygazer (1) - Merlyn

Not Voting

- Bellaphant

Notes

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• Reminder that elimination is compulsory.
  
• Please let know of any errors or queries.
  
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The

Day

concludes in (expired on 2023-11-12 16:25:00).

Gob/ok wagon: town, ? ?

Day 1 Count VIII

Organized Khaos (3) - Skygazer, Roulette, Aureal
KittyTacky (2) - Black, Bellaphant
Skygazer (1) - Merlyn
Roulette (1) - Organized Khaos

Not Voting

- KittyTacky

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The

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concludes in (expired on 2023-11-12 16:25:00).

Gob/ok wagon: ? ? Town
Kitty (town) ? ?

Day 1 Count XI

KittyTacky (4) - Black, Bellaphant, Skygazer, Organized Khaos
Organized Khaos (3) - Roulette, Aureal, KittyTacky
Skygazer (1) - BBmolla

Not Voting

- N/A

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The

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concludes in (expired on 2023-11-13 16:25:00).

This one is really interesting, as there is scum on one of the two wagons! Interestingly, only one person voting for gob is still alive, the others are all dead.town, and everyone else is on kitty. This feels like it should mean something

Day 1 Count XII

KittyTacky (

E-1

) - Black, Bellaphant, Organized Khaos, Aureal
Aureal (3) - BBmolla, KittyTacky, Skygazer
Organized Khaos (1) - Roulette

Not Voting

- N/A

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The

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concludes in (expired on 2023-11-13 16:25:00).

This pile on on aureal is just super weird. Roulettes invite is also weird.

Day 1 Count XIII

KittyTacky (

E-1

) - Black, Bellaphant, Organized Khaos, Aureal
Aureal (

E-1

) - BBmolla, KittyTacky, Skygazer, Roulette

Not Voting

- N/A

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The

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concludes in (expired on 2023-11-13 16:25:00).

Similar to the above, but roulette has voted.

Day 1 Final

KittyTacky (

E-1

) - Black, Bellaphant, Organized Khaos, Aureal
Aureal (

E-1

) - BBmolla, KittyTacky, Skygazer, Roulette

Not Voting

- N/A

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I think this is harder because merlyn and gobs slot were so absent day one. I low-key feel this looks bad for roulette and black but I dunno, in hindsight day one was a bit of a trash fire and me and black left our vote where it was way too long

[Bellaphant]

I think I'd be surprised if it was gob, it could be roulette or black and low key annoyed if it was sky

[Bellaphant]

Iso says sky/roulette?

[Bellaphant]

Gob, respectfully, that was a whole lot of words with a very damp squib.

[Bellaphant]

Yove missed out a lot of context? I voted him because he behaved exactly the same as when he was my scum partner in a newbie, I called his reads weirdly faked from kitty's and called out that him voting you when I was in both of his solves was weird.

[Bellaphant]

I'm mainly sorry for mollas partner because he did exactly this in the newbie: came in all dynamic then fucked off and left me in the shit!

[Bellaphant]

Tbf, even with context, the correct move would've been to vote him forever, as his buddy, which I did, so it's not clearing!

[Bellaphant]

Yeah, again, I don't think you are talking with the full context: you were 50/50 between the both and jumped off the wagon when it looked critical.

The only thing stopping me voting you is if you flip town, I dunno if gobs still in this '50/50 black and bella' vibe

[Bellaphant]

Yeah, I'm confused: id do roulette over sky I think

It's not shade, it worries me that you've obfuscated twice. Is that not a fair worry?

[Bellaphant]

I'm like 80% sure it's just gob here. He nominated himself D2 and then coasted on the TR from that. He knew he would have to nominate himself in two days from now so he sat this one out. And now he's trying to fade his biggest threat while keeping the door open to fade ANY of Roulette, bella, or sky tomorrow depending on which way the wind blows

Sorry, I'm thick: why would he have to nominate himself? How many many goes have we got to get this right?

[Bellaphant]

Also, molla never had solve energy.

The reality is that black /and/ gob handled molla weirdly.

FFS I thought it was black 100% last page.

[Bellaphant]

745 is just bad.

[Bellaphant]

It's a literal refusal to talk about the molla read

[Bellaphant]

Wait, thought you said not roulette?

[Bellaphant]

Don't worry, that was a silly question

[Bellaphant]

The more you hedge on me the worse I feel. The wagon thing is still silly. It was silly day two and it's silly now.

[Bellaphant]

Day two Bella really wanted you dead.

[Bellaphant]

I understand that, but it's one element. I know I'm town, so I need to know you are relying on something other than that one fact: if black is scum, yay, you got it right, but if she isn't, you are wrong and it just /is/ like that, however unlikely. I don't want to be in a situation tomorrow where it's not black, and you won't look at roulette (I don't really think it's sky). I'm just trying to avoid an elo from hell (although tbf if black is town, I'm not gonna say I won't be looking at your slot primarily for the last scum, because to me the 'roman empire/wagon analysis' is how bad you both handled molla

[Bellaphant]

Roulettes probably just town here, right?

[Bellaphant]

The way gob makes Sky hang follow after Black hang is scummy.

this is why i snap unvoted

960 seems like a post scum would make if they know someone is about to flip town imminently

Yeah I'm feeling this, and now gob is backtracking on the solve he was so convinced about in order to save face

Flip me and then flip gob. I don't see how it's not just gg after that

Because im Town!

Yes I am backtracking that I was so convinced on. What is so scummy about that? seriously use your fucking head.

Feels weird from the guy who didn't like his theory called silly

[Bellaphant]

Black is the best lim here either way, I believe

[Bellaphant]

I think you'd be split between sky and black tomorrow, so that feels like a bad move?
Roulette's my pick for town.

[Bellaphant]

If I'm strange, it's because my options are really limited today: I think roulette is town, black is 50/50 and I'm town. Like, today is boring. I was bored day two two, I wanted the day over so we could lim molla - my biggest regret is that I didn't fight harder for aureal

[Bellaphant]

I kinda have zero motivation to figure out if it's gob or sky here. We win as long as it's not bella or Roulette and I think everyone agrees it's probably not them, so let's go me --> sky --> gob and that's probably just gg

I do really like this

[Bellaphant]

Let me make sure this is right:
If we mislom today, we get a free shot tomorrow?
If we still mislim, we get another day where scum have to nominate, but there's only three people so scum have to be in a position to be voted?

[Bellaphant]

So being relaxed really shouldn't be a scum tell? Like, today is about reducing the poe

[Bellaphant]

there's a distinct lack of panic in this game state right now which makes me think scum are comfy which points towards roulette or bella imo

i think gob is probably just town

This post feels really scummy?

[Bellaphant]

Scum here that's not nominated would like to keep the Sus on the other two,.as if it's not you they know you'll flip town, right? Scum need at least one person to be not voting them tomorrow. I dunno, it felt weird with the game state, as the relaxed thing feels really odd when we are actually just limited? And 'on the wrong track' feels wrong too, when I feel like the vibe is most people are saying that it's either black, or that the nomination are all town? (Or if it just me that thinks that? I thought you thought that?)

[Bellaphant]

Oh, ok, I agree-ish with that, it just felt you were lining up lims next? But it would be weird to do that and then call it out as scummy!

[Bellaphant]

If sky is town and black is town it's prolly roulette over gob? Ugh

[Bellaphant]

He isn't solving, but is he bad town?

I need to remember that only one of you is scum so I'm not being manipulated by lots of people

[Bellaphant]

I'm about to head to bed, if you want me to vote then let me know in the next hour or so

[Bellaphant]

Gobs last minute panic reads fake.

[Bellaphant]

Gobs last minute panic reads fake.

I'm not really getting that vibe

I'm a little paranoid that gob reversed course because he knew he would get pushed today if I flipped but I think all the effort and thought he put in reads like a townie worried about being wrong

I need to look at this when I get out of bed and get some coffee

This is my worry

Also, I'm /always/ bad at mech. It's totally nai

[Bellaphant]

I just am conflicted, black. My gut tells me it's gob, my brain says you and my tin hat says sky.

If I'm the lim today and it makes tomorrow easier for not!me, I'm fine with it?

[Bellaphant]

Scum who just volunteered to be the lim?

[Bellaphant]

Also, I'm /always/ bad at mech. It's totally nai

I'm willing to consider this. I'm pretty much the same, but not so much when it comes to setup stuff and game mechanics. I struggle with role mech and balance stuff

Do you ever lean into it/fake it when you're scum?

I've faked confusion about the amount of scum....once as scum? I ask dumb questions about the set up a lot. Also, your example was the same question three times, the last was me figuring it out.

[Bellaphant]

The heaven/hell one that I think gob linked was where I talked about scum pairs.

[Bellaphant]

Also, look at my elo in coalition of frogs. Exactly the same problem and I chose wrong.

[Bellaphant]

No, I mean now: if you think I'll fuck up lylo, I'll willingly eat the lim

P-edit go read my newbie game with molla where we both scum and then come back to me. Go on

[Bellaphant]

I am struggling to be civil, bad mentals, going to bed.

[Bellaphant]

viewtopic.php?t=91705 go read the elo

[Bellaphant]

viewtopic.php?t=91019 scum with molla

[Bellaphant]

mod, vla til Monday, adventures with the mini klickiphants[/b

[Bellaphant]

I'm NGL, I'm over this. Black is either town who's being easily swayed by gob, or scum. Gob is either scum, or town who is locked into a world view that is making the game feel pointless. Sky is honestly probably town and if it's roulette we've all been wasting our time! I did a partial re-read and all I noticed was how much day two Bella wanted gob dead, which isn't helpful.

[Bellaphant]

God, I told you I wasn't faking! We have inspectors in at work next week and I think 90% of my brain is panicking about them. It's part of the reason I offered to be the lim today, if it makes actual towns life easier: I know sky thought it was scummy but I'm not sure why?

I'm not /convinced/ about sky, I'm neutral on sky: I dont have compelling teasons to scum read her? I didn't have reasons to sr dead roulette either and roulette was town.

For you, I'd love to tr your play, but I find your day two-three really poor in regards to Molla, and I worry that you are walking back any stances you have on SR and things to appease gob/go with the flow/any dead townie is a good townie. Like, you've been totally ok with any lim, even 'bad lims'.

And then there's gob, who's effort looks town, but has said variations on the same thing for three day phases and just seems to think everything I say is scummy/wrong/is being really selective with my meta to the point whrre I can't tell if he's tunnelled beyond all reason and just fundamentally doesn't get me, or is scum who is taking an easy route by sticking to his theory and setting up as many lims as possible

And sky is just ..there. The one thing I disliked from themast day phase was a misunderstanding.

Can you see my issue?

[Bellaphant]

Obe if you or gob has looked at my interactions with molla as town, and not been able to see that there's no way in the world that's how I would treat a partner. Which means it isn't scummy that the other one can't see it. But to me it's really hard to get over that perspective hurdle

[Bellaphant]

I get that, but If you, gob and black decide you three, then there's two town deciding. I think if gob /is/ town I don't see a way to get through to him tomorrow? Best case scenario is that we lim black and black is scum! But if she isn't, then realistically I see you being the decision maker tomorrow

[Bellaphant]

is my gob face
is my black face
is my sky face

[Bellaphant]

....if I look for an agenda, especially in what I've just written, I feel like it's in what I'm saying about black. I think I'm being a bit pig headed: I want gob to be scum, rather than soneone who just doesnt get me

[Bellaphant]

I'm reading sky's scum game tomorrow

[Bellaphant]

Do i want a null read around tomorrow if I'm alive tho? Ugh

[Bellaphant]

If I believe gob to be town, my question is do we want skygazywho is basically a ? At the end, or black who I see there's a valid reason to sr.

[Bellaphant]

I am answering yiur questions: my biggest sr is black and I was ok with it, but am now concerned that I'm actually wanting that because I'm pissed off. Trying to make you read me is exhausting.

I am sorry you are sick though!

[Bellaphant]

Because?

[Bellaphant]

My gut is telling me bella's AtE is probably real town frustration. I might just be underestimating how often she can just miss things as town. I'm not feeling like it's an act and I'm just hoping I'm not wrong and she's not fooling me here. I want to trust my earlier read here that she's not partnered with molla

It's between gob and skygazer for me, and I lean skygazer. It feels like she keeps promising content and has pushed that agenda all game. This doesn't make her scum but compared to gob who actively seems to be trying to solve this, it feels like she's keeping her options open while trying to not say much

Can you stop making posts I agree with?

[Bellaphant]

I am neutral, but then I had to to look at why. And it's because there's nothing there? And that doesn't make them town. The more I wrote about gob yesterday, the more I convinced myself they were wrong town. And then I got paranoid about you. Then I wondered if the more we did and said the more me you and gob sr each other pointlessly whilst sky would skip to the end: she'd be positioned well tomorrow in most elos.

[Bellaphant]

Like, I /really/ wanted gob to be scum before I started spam thinking yesterday and then I was like....or they are just wrong and I'm being hard headed about it.

[Bellaphant]

Regardless, if sky is town, I'd rather have someone else helping me solve? I thought the game was better without me but I think I was sulking

[Bellaphant]

stop black

lwt me get to this but i think thats the wrong play

bad f3

Tbf it's a bad f3 for black is she's scum, so why would she want it?

[Bellaphant]

I guess my question is that you are using 'scum' as a catch all term there: surely a better question is does Bella!scum care about what's technically correct scum play?(Vella can't even count). Does black?

[Bellaphant]

Because you are telling us about /optimal/ scum. And maybe you are that optimal scum normally: but are we?

[Bellaphant]

Im voting sky before I go to bed

[Bellaphant]

Sky is safe going after black here tho because if black flips town, gob is still gonna take it as validation!

[Bellaphant]

The Elo is the last day: I get townreas by both others and have to make a choice. I make the head choice and it was wrong, but I waffled a lot.

Re black, I don't know. I mostly think you are town, and I get worried that my black read is paranoia. I think she's had led today badly if she is scum.


Also, someone had mentioned molla being partnered. Sometimes I just /know/. Team mafia I caught scum gimli in one post and I felt the same about molla.

[Bellaphant]

I'm very rarely adamant about anything but when I am I'm basically right.

[Bellaphant]

Sky voting me whilst expressing I am not their biggest sr is a move

[Bellaphant]

Because?

[Bellaphant]

Because?

Imagine I'd done that

[Bellaphant]

Day 4 Final

Roulette (

Hammered

) - Black, Skygazer, gob
Black (1) - Roulette

Not Voting

- Bellaphant

Notes

• My mod ISO is here.
  
• With 5 remaining, it takes 3 to form a majority.
  
• Reminder that elimination is compulsory.
  
• Mafia has nominated Black, Roulette, and Bellaphant.
  
• I have exams from 8 December to 13 December so Aisa will take over then.

The

Day

concludes in (expired on 2023-12-07 15:36:00).

Sky, this wagons all town, then?

Like....are you sure?

On the small chance that your read of me is genuine, try again. The more you post the last day the more it does look like flailing and trying to beat position an elo.

[Bellaphant]

Because?

i have talked about this already

I saw a lot of you calling me town, ngl

[Bellaphant]

I saw rh had posted and got worried.

Black, I'm gonna vote sky in about half an hour

[Bellaphant]

? I hadn't already voted because I wasn't ready for the day to end. I also couldn't understand your read on me. I'm sorry you feel I'm avoiding it.

[Bellaphant]

And no, I've discussed my read of you. I have reasons to think both gob and black could be town: it was discussing this with black made me realise the issue

[Bellaphant]

VOTE: sky

I gotta go bed, the inspectors are coming to watch ne teach tomorrow.
.

[Bellaphant]

I'm having a horrendous week irl, two hospital visits for the klickiphants and work is getting inspected. I can't figure this out: my worry is is gob resting on his laurels or is he just town and his really annoying theory was just right.

Id be so salty if he was right all along.

[Bellaphant]

Day 1 Count XI

KittyTacky (4) - Black, Bellaphant, Skygazer, Organized Khaos
Organized Khaos (3) - Roulette, Aureal, KittyTacky
Skygazer (1) - BBmolla

Not Voting

- N/A

Notes

• My mod ISO is here.
  
• With 8 remaining, it takes 5 to form a majority.
  
• Reminder that elimination is compulsory and plurality applies as defined in 309.
  
• Please let know of any errors or queries.
  
• BBmolla replaces Merlyn. Please welcome them!
  
• I'll edit the older VCs later to reflect the deadline extension.

The

Day

concludes in (expired on 2023-11-13 16:25:00).

Day 1 Count XIII

KittyTacky (

E-1

) - Black, Bellaphant, Organized Khaos, Aureal
Aureal (

E-1

) - BBmolla, KittyTacky, Skygazer, Roulette

Not Voting

- N/A

Notes

• My mod ISO is here.
  
• With 8 remaining, it takes 5 to form a majority.
  
• Reminder that elimination is compulsory and plurality applies as defined in 309.
  
• Please let know of any errors or queries.
  
• I'll edit the older VCs later to reflect the deadline extension.

The

Day

concludes in (expired on 2023-11-13 16:25:00).

Mafia has nominated Khaos, Aureal, and Skygazer.

Day 2 Count II

Organized Khaos (

E-1

) - Roulette, Black, Aureal
Aureal (2) - BBmolla, Skygazer

Not Voting

- Bellaphant, Organized Khaos

Notes

• My mod ISO is here.
  
• With 7 remaining, it takes 4 to form a majority.
  
• Reminder that elimination is compulsory.
  
• Feel free to let me know if there are any errors or queries.

The

Day

concludes in (expired on 2023-11-22 14:45:00).

Day 2 Count VIII

Skygazer (

E-1

) - gob, Aureal, Roulette
Aureal (

E-1

) - BBmolla, Skygazer, Black

Not Voting

- Bellaphant

Notes

• My mod ISO is here.
  
• With 7 remaining, it takes 4 to form a majority.
  
• Reminder that elimination is compulsory.
  
• Feel free to let me know if there are any errors or queries.

The

Day

concludes in (expired on 2023-11-22 14:45:00).

Day 2 Final

Aureal (

E-1

) - BBmolla, Skygazer, gob
gob (2) - Black, Aureal
Skygazer (1) - Roulette

Not Voting

- Bellaphant

Notes

• My mod ISO is here.
  
• With 7 remaining, it took 4 to form a majority.
  
• Reminder that elimination is compulsory.
  
• Feel free to let me know if there are any errors or queries.

The

Day

concludes in (expired on 2023-11-22 14:45:00).

Day 3 Final

BBmolla (

Hammered

) - Bellaphant, Roulette, Black, BBmolla

Not Voting

- gob, Skygazer

Notes

• My mod ISO is here.
  
• With 6 remaining, it takes 4 to form a majority.
  
• Reminder that elimination is compulsory.
  
• Feel free to tell me if there are any errors or queries.

The

Day

concludes in (expired on 2023-11-29 15:45:00).

Day 4 Final

Roulette (

Hammered

) - Black, Skygazer, gob
Black (1) - Roulette

Not Voting

- Bellaphant

Notes

• My mod ISO is here.
  
• With 5 remaining, it takes 3 to form a majority.
  
• Reminder that elimination is compulsory.
  
• Mafia has nominated Black, Roulette, and Bellaphant.
  
• I have exams from 8 December to 13 December so Aisa will take over then.

The

Day

concludes in (expired on 2023-12-07 15:36:00).

Day 5 Count V

Skygazer (1) - Black, Bellaphant, gob
Bellaphant (1) - Skygazer

Not Voting

- N/A

Notes

• The joint mod ISO is here.
  
• With 4 remaining, it takes 3 to form a majority.
  
• Reminder that elimination is compulsory.
  
• I'm back now. (It's the 14th in Australia.)
  
• Thanks, Aisa for backup modding!

The

Day

concludes in (expired on 2023-12-14 15:50:00).

I just want to check a few things here

[Bellaphant]

Blacks been on every single e-1 there is, I believe?

[Bellaphant]

Is that actually true? That's not shade, I genuinely hadn't noticed. It really stuck out as significant to me that you had but actually you are right and gob was on sky gazer early game too.

FFS you two, you keep doing the same things. ( )

[Bellaphant]

Sorry, I shouldn't type as I think: obviously it's true.


Huh

[Bellaphant]

Tbf I don't really understand why /else/ gob sr me apart from his wagon thing.

And I don't think you do massively sr me?

[Bellaphant]

I really thought I had something. And I just can't read. Aces.

[Bellaphant]

@gob, was the meta thing asking random questions? Or did I miss something?

@black, fair. I dunno, I think I'm trying hard not to be swayed by the fact I like you!

[Bellaphant]

Gob, considering it 'has to be me or black ', why have we voted out not me or black two days in a row?

[Bellaphant]

Like yeah I think it makes sense to bring me and bella so you could push either of us but taking sky is probably the optimal play in a scum!you world

Is it? That's legit what in trying to figure out. I can't work out which is more optimal for scum! gob: could it be correct that he was pretty well positioned whatever? A good lie is close to the truth: he just said that he'd gone with the easy elim over his theory, but he /loves/ his theory. I also haven't heard any ....regret? In mad at myself for not hard pushing that aureal should not have been limmed, but gobs ok with town missing conf scum teice in a row?

[Bellaphant]

@black, fair. I dunno, I think I'm trying hard not to be swayed by the fact I like you!

Bella are you trying to butter me up

The opposite. See a bunch of my day one stuff where I called you town but only compared to everyone else: I'm anxious about giving you a free pass for real

[Bellaphant]

Scum!Bella either buddies you to fuck or pushes for your elim, not this weird wishy washy shit

[Bellaphant]

What I'm asking is why would scum!Bella or scum!black arrange an elo where they have a 50% chance of being voted? Like those are shit odds.

[Bellaphant]

@gob, was the meta thing asking random questions? Or did I miss something?

@black, fair. I dunno, I think I'm trying hard not to be swayed by the fact I like you!

It was a series of lowball questions to your partner.

Gob, considering it 'has to be me or black ', why have we voted out not me or black two days in a row?

cause i got talked off of black. I also spent too much time looking at why everyone could be scum rather than why some could be town.

but basically it was because i didn’t shout enough. When the goong gets tough i usually just go with the easy option

Ok, but surely you've also seen that I do the classic shit scum thing of leaving them in my null/scum pike but never going after them? My best game for not doing this was lost, where I tr 2/4 of my buddies. Have you seen me bus like this ever?

[Bellaphant]

I'm saying that this whole thing is awfully convenient if you are: agree or disagree?

[Bellaphant]

Opart of the question is, who's trying to sort me? I don't feel like gob has really thrown me any balls to work with

[Bellaphant]

I'm not sure what else I can do: I feel I've had good conversations with black but I reach out to you and get very little. You don't want to engage about the low ball questions, I referred you to the recent elo I was in and got no response....

[Bellaphant]

I guess I've got the same question; why is he alive? Like, the frustrating thing for me is this elo is /fine/ for both of you as scum?