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[JacksonVirgo]

Sup, I am Australian and therefore I am Town and if you don't believe so you are xenophobic and that's gross

[JacksonVirgo]

I assume we're in a 3v2 shizbang right now

[JacksonVirgo]

Drew where are your reads at, asking you for a specific reason

[JacksonVirgo]

Also could anybody inform me of any claims, clears, general mech info that would be great

[JacksonVirgo]

Alright so general gamestate, I'm viewing each perspective for if they are Town. I'm seeing Titus thinks it's both Drew and myself but is withholding their vote for now
Chell/Drew are cross-voting, obviously contains at least one wolf.
I need to know Drew's stance on my slot before I repped in and I need to know Chell's view on the wolf that isn't who they're cross-voting.

Titus I also need to know why you haven't voted if you're leaning on a Drew/me solve

[JacksonVirgo]

Short version, no clears. Drew's voted you.

No clears is the fun type of Limlo, and he isn't voting me?

[JacksonVirgo]

Wait there's someone I'm missing

[JacksonVirgo]

Ah snivy, I need to know their stance on the gamestate too

[JacksonVirgo]

Chell what's your current reads on Titus and Snivy independently, and what were they prior to the vote-crossing and I guess end of day 4 as well

[JacksonVirgo]

I'm hoping that if they say something contradictory, someone will call it out so I'm holding some trust in what you say. I will be trying to skim-read the game to verify myself but 172 pages is 172 pages

[JacksonVirgo]

Contradictory in terms of what they say vs what they actually were acting like in those moments to be more precise

[JacksonVirgo]

eh well

ill leave it for now and if either drew unvotes I'm not quickhammered by tomorrow then ill start discussing this again

Snivy not cross-voting Drew here is something to note, not sure what to make of it exactly but looking on either side

If they're wolf, and had the thought that Drew was going to keep their vote there they would have voted Drew outright and crossed it.
If they're wolf with drew, this would have probably been spoken about and would not have been retracted immediately unless of course WIFOM
If they're Town like I believe this makes them, it's just pure mindset and not one that lines up with what I would deem a wolfy mindset.

Drew immediately jumping ship is also something to note. I am gonna sit on that one for a bit though before saying anything (if I even ever do)

[JacksonVirgo]

Wait drew pivoted off the cross-voting to go on snivy and then back?

[JacksonVirgo]

Whenever somebody pops in, quote a post of mine so I get the notif.

[JacksonVirgo]

but it's kind of awkward if they both just vote me in tandem

What do you mean by awkward here? Awkward in the sense of their image, awkward as to how it would feel for you isolated from either of them?

[JacksonVirgo]

JacksonVirgo replaces gob.

Welcome to the hellfire.

Currently Titus thinks we are scum together, but just play it cool until it blows over.

Don't worry, I am of the abyss I will be fine. I would like to tap your brain more though (this goes for everyone)

[JacksonVirgo]

I hope there's no post restriction or anything I didn't check and here I am spamming

[JacksonVirgo]

I have read a bit more and I have my initial thoughts on the gamestate, it's been bouncing back and forward. I am sitting on my hands until I get my answers I have asked for

[JacksonVirgo]

im probably going to vote doctor drew unless titus or jv are willing to give me insight

Alright, why would a wolf decide to force their hand or at least risk forcing their hand by pivoting from Chell onto you and then back again?

[JacksonVirgo]

Genuine question but it is also rhetoric at the same time

[JacksonVirgo]

eh well

ill leave it for now and if either drew unvotes I'm not quickhammered by tomorrow then ill start discussing this again

Snivy not cross-voting Drew here is something to note, not sure what to make of it exactly but looking on either side

If they're wolf, and had the thought that Drew was going to keep their vote there they would have voted Drew outright and crossed it.
If they're wolf with drew, this would have probably been spoken about and would not have been retracted immediately unless of course WIFOM
If they're Town like I believe this makes them, it's just pure mindset and not one that lines up with what I would deem a wolfy mindset.

Drew immediately jumping ship is also something to note. I am gonna sit on that one for a bit though before saying anything (if I even ever do)

Drew/Chell thoughts on what I have "concluded" here? Considering you both seem to think Snivy is a wolf from what I am seeing

[JacksonVirgo]

im probably going to vote doctor drew unless titus or jv are willing to give me insight

So, what's your current proposed solve? Drew and X?

[JacksonVirgo]

Also I'd prefer nobody vote until I have settled my own thoughts as I don't wanna rep into a game that ends immediately if I can at all help it

[JacksonVirgo]

Purely PoE if I hold weight onto both the refusal to cross-vote from Snivy and the loose vote shifting in Limlo (after cross-voting with who they would know is a wolf, or typically would be stuck fighting) then the solve leads into Chell/Titus through pure PoE. I like Chell purely through how they're deciding to articulate themselves, I need to pick their brain a lot more to resolve that part of it but I do think Titus is a wolf here and I am 100% going to have omgus thrown in my face but their actions have been primarily shutting down others or lying/reaction testing and I'm not sure I like that, I know Titus can play unconventionally and this is a relatively weak read considering the other in my PoE is purely PoE but their response to Gob's joke about them being the new IC was overly serious and as I said just before felt like an attempt to shut him down, possibly discredit, rather than do anything else of worth and them saying Drew was voting me was ??, perhaps an honest mistake

[JacksonVirgo]

So @Chell, if you're Town I'd like you to look at my reasonings for either snivy/drew and pull it apart if at all possible. Of course I'm going to try and pull it apart myself but multiple brains is multiple brains

[JacksonVirgo]

I really doubt Snivy is ever wolf here and considering 2/3 of you have them in the solve is concerning to me so I really want insight into why you think they're a wolf and how this refusal to cross-vote can come from a wolf.

[JacksonVirgo]

I wasn't sure at first and I listed the reasoning I felt they could be wolf but actively writing them made me realise how like small the chance of them not being town is with that type of behaviour, ofc just isolating this one thing they did but it's all I got to work with atm

[JacksonVirgo]

Let me sit on what you just said for a moment Drew

[JacksonVirgo]

ScumSnivy can't vote me right now, that would require someone from town to hammer me and scum wouldn't take that chance......they want to let town make the first move and then pounce as quickly as they can.

And you believe scum would actively not vote who is cross-voting them in limlo? If they had any belief you would stay on this vote like the tone in the post you had voted, I am not sure they would have this mindset that you're saying they would.

[JacksonVirgo]

Snivy cross voting me after I voted him would, especially after I left Chell to vote him, would be too risky not knowing what gob and Titus are thinking.

Sure, but under the impression that Snivy is a wolf that thinks ur gonna stick with all the "fuck it, after I go flip Snivy" they'd be kinda foolish *not* to vote you back

[JacksonVirgo]

Can you elaborate on the paranoia

[JacksonVirgo]

Snivy cross voting me after I voted him would, especially after I left Chell to vote him, would be too risky not knowing what gob and Titus are thinking.

Sure, but under the impression that Snivy is a wolf that thinks ur gonna stick with all the "fuck it, after I go flip Snivy" they'd be kinda foolish *not* to vote you back

Scum would be too careful to put me at E-1 there, hell I had a chance to hammer for the scum win one time and I didn't because I wasn't sure of all the details of night actions(not an exact comparison, but best to hold off until you know you can win the game with your vote as scum is my point).

Snivy(or whoever is the last scum), needs to be the last vote on me.

Also, I did a brief iso of gob because of some paranoia growing of some of your wording Jackson lol.......I feel pretty good you are no aligned with Chell if I am wrong about Snivy.

Also who was it that you could have hammered for the win

[JacksonVirgo]

Snivy cross voting me after I voted him would, especially after I left Chell to vote him, would be too risky not knowing what gob and Titus are thinking.

Sure, but under the impression that Snivy is a wolf that thinks ur gonna stick with all the "fuck it, after I go flip Snivy" they'd be kinda foolish *not* to vote you back

Scum would be too careful to put me at E-1 there, hell I had a chance to hammer for the scum win one time and I didn't because I wasn't sure of all the details of night actions(not an exact comparison, but best to hold off until you know you can win the game with your vote as scum is my point).

Snivy(or whoever is the last scum), needs to be the last vote on me.

Also, I did a brief iso of gob because of some paranoia growing of some of your wording Jackson lol.......I feel pretty good you are no aligned with Chell if I am wrong about Snivy.

Also who was it that you could have hammered for the win

It was a previous game if I wasn't clear

I see, what about my q about the paranoia

[JacksonVirgo]

I wish Drew like answered my question because it's harder to speak about my reads without giving away what I am exactly looking for but given Drew's position here so I'm running on a pretty shallow read but with Chell voting him, Snivy stating they're voting Drew unless the game shakes up and you said you believed the solve was Drew/Gob his wiggle room is pretty low if he does wish to survive today and hasn't given up, I replace in with (what I believe to be) a pretty obvious town-read on him and yet he decides to treat me with the whole paranoia line, he did spin onto a "I don't think ur with Chell" but that treatment tells me a few things possibly and I'm mostly writing this down to settle it in my own thoughts rather than to any of you but if you do have thoughts please tell me. I may be under a faulty assumption but I am thinking that if he was scum in that position he would be trying to pocket me outright but he's not how I expected him to be trying to do, so I feel that's townie. His vote swapping when already cross-voting in Limlo is another townie thing from him.

@Titus

, you say it's weird but you don't buy it. What is it you're not buying? Why aren't you buying it?

[JacksonVirgo]

Oh he literaly answered me LOL, thanks

[JacksonVirgo]

Great timing with that one

[JacksonVirgo]

I don't believe that to be the case, like I said I do lean town on gob, but you just seem so buttoned up and serious it threw me off a bit lol.

Ah yeah, taking a different approach than I usually do because repping into Limlo is scary scary

[JacksonVirgo]

I'm questioning whether my assumption as to how Drew would play in a general sense is reliable at all. If he was scum wanting to suicide here to position their partner higher it could justify that

[JacksonVirgo]

Not sure I believe that to be the case even when saying that

[JacksonVirgo]

Drew/Chell, thoughts on Titus?

[JacksonVirgo]

Wait, Drew. You said you gave gob a brief ISO dive when the reason you were taking a second look was because of how I was acting, why? Why not comment on what I was saying more?

[JacksonVirgo]

I'm genuinely believing Drew to be Town here so I'm going to be voting Chell. If Titus' vote isn't game over here then I know my solve, which is what my solve was regardless but that's mostly by PoE

[JacksonVirgo]

This was also me acknowledging I could have hammered but haven't

[JacksonVirgo]

VOTE: Chell

I actually wanna do this. If this is game over because of this vote, apologies but if this happens and nobody is hammered then that's certainly quite something. Forces this elim to be full the solving elim. I feel safe in doing this but I am also still sorry if this makes us lose OwO.

Having like no context and placing a dangerous vote is hilarious

[JacksonVirgo]

Gross, I guess I gotta hope I was wrong

[JacksonVirgo]

Wait, unless Titus bussed I have to be right as I'm a town not voting them

[JacksonVirgo]

Ah so it was Snivy/Chell?. Sadge

[JacksonVirgo]

We not ballin

[JacksonVirgo]

Sorry Jackson. I didn't believe I did right by you. Gob really acted scummy particularly at EoD and I knew I wasn't likely going to overcome that. The fact we got to elo was partially me but ultimately I made the wrong call. You did nothing wrong. Chell had me. I should have done vca.

You're all good, nobody blames ya for voting wrong. It was a fun 2 days for me regardless >:)

[JacksonVirgo]

Merry xmas everyone for those who celebrate <3