Mini Normal 2317 - Postgame

[Chell]

This is a sensible thought but I'm pretty sure it's something scum!Chell would say anyway so *shrug*

i dont know what the point of posting this is

[Chell]

gob self voted yesterday to bring himself to e-1

There is no universe he’s a PR

[Chell]

odd night watcher

targeted titus n1 as i thought she was the most likely night kill

no one visited titus

[Chell]

i believe dragon's claim

VOTE: taly

[Chell]

inspector is not a role ive ever heard of before lmao

[Chell]

i think probably i'd prefer not to give scum an idea of who to night kill and not speculate too much outside of whether or not we believe dragons

i've suspected there would be another even night invest since i replaced in and that that was what FL was hinting at originally so the fact that SD claimed that modifier before me makes me trust him

[Chell]

did you crumb neap anywhere sleepy

[Chell]

Dannflor's claim in Mafia Have A Cop was weird and he was a scum nonetheless.

i am just horrible at mech

[Chell]

i have my own thoughts about who is lying, but again, i think i'd rather wait til tomorrow to discuss

[Chell]

unless someone wants to make the case that SD is scum trying to end the game early

[Chell]

taly claimed VT

[Chell]

What's up evens, stevens, and

ice cream

heathens?

VOTE: Elements

This is a somewhat serious vote

i think this indicates that SD is *not* lying

[Chell]

i guess neapolitan can be a scum role but taly not posting here just seems like guiltied scum

[Chell]

i might be bad at mech but a 2-shot follower + investigator + complex mailman feels like... completely useless for town tbh

so i don't think mechanically that world could exist

[Chell]

yeah i guess making taly spew or get replaced is not entirely a bad idea

[Chell]

do you uhhh have an opinion on SD claiming a guilty on Taly

[Chell]

UNVOTE:

[Chell]

I don't think we lose anything by waiting for a replacement to potentially spew alignments

[Chell]

I have townread every living slot except Taly at one point in the game. And every time I try to say "yeah this slot ia probably town and that one is probably scum", I immediately go "but why? Hasn't the other slot also done townie things"

if you can't scum read someone because of townie things you aren't ever going to get a confident scum read

especially as volume increases scum get more and more chances to post and look townie, just by pure noise scum are going to look *more* townie as the game progresses

like everyone is capable of making townie looking posts if they simply post enough times, you have to have a higher threshold for what you base a read off of

[Chell]

is it just me or has gob become incredibly obv town lol

[Chell]

Chell-odd night watcher
Snivy-2-shot follower
gob-vt
me-complex mailman
drew:Town Inspector
dragon:Even Night Neapolitan
Taly:vt
Titus:vt

watcher tells who visited the target during the night

follower tells what type of action someone performed i think? like protection or killing

inspector tells whether or not someone visited the target but not who

Mailman can send messages? But complex means it only works on power roles and not vanillas?

Going off memory so i might be missing some details

[Chell]

VOTE: taly

or we can just get this over with and save the mod from replacing the slot we were always going to eliminate anyway

[Chell]

does anyone have a real case for SD being scum other than vague paranoia

[Chell]

to be clear

you think SD is scum?

like realistically there is always 1 scum in [Taly/SD]

you vote within those two always today

[Chell]

idk maybe i should consider the world where scum have a rolecop and checked me and SD was able to tailor the perfect fake claim to pocket me

but that seems less likely than the scummy slot just being scum?

[Chell]

who is scum afrayed knott?

[Chell]

like outside of dragon

[Chell]

how much have you read?

you said maybe me as a partner for SD, what is that based off of?

[Chell]

if SD and I were both scum that would mean town power amounts to basically a 2-shot follower, a babysitter, and an IC

[Chell]

I guess I'm fine with a no lim

I think gob likes to put on a trolly front but if they're town I don't think they'll actually do anything to sabotage the game

[Chell]

nothing afrayed knott has posted has really swayed me in any specific direction, it's pretty easy content to post and pretty much the only content you can post under such a situation as scum

[Chell]

no elim helps eliminate worlds like titus or gob being scum or even cuts down on one of the PRs depending on who scum want to target

it gives me a chance to potentially catch the killer (although there's a decent chance I get night killed unless scum are looking to keep WIFOM alive)

but i think in that case it just becomes even clearer who scum is at least within the SD AK duo

[Chell]

VOTE: no elimination i think titus is right here actually

[Chell]

this also just gives the rest of the scum team less places to hide in general and less opportunities to drive a game winning mis elim

[Chell]

I'd rather just get to odds before we make a decision that will potentially end the game

[Chell]

Chell how does you dying make it clearer who's scum?

I think if I died that would essentially clear you as town

[Chell]

yes, i am very sold on you being town and AK being scum. it would take a lot for me to rethink that, but I also feel like giving our PRs more chances to work + lowering the odds of a miselim before elimlo is probably just mechanically correct??

[Chell]

i wish bingle was here lol

[Chell]

do you scum read me too

[Chell]

yes, i am very sold on you being town and AK being scum. it would take a lot for me to rethink that, but I also feel like giving our PRs more chances to work + lowering the odds of a miselim before elimlo is probably just mechanically correct??

You are the only PR that can get any useful result tonight, and u dead tonight

mmmm im not actually convinced this is true

[Chell]

VOTE: afrayed knott

[Chell]

ok i changed my mind i just want a red flip

[Chell]

oops sorry i was hoping to not still be alive here

[Chell]

I watched SD, no one visited him

[Chell]

I hate this game

I hate every single towny not wanting to work with me to lim scum Day 1

I hate every single towny not wanting to obvtown Day 2

Fuck this game

at a certain point if you can't find a single person as town or can't cooperate to eliminate scum (guess what I wanted to eliminate organizekhaos at EoD1 not fucking elements) then the fault lies with you

[Chell]

anyway even if you have a solve it's not worth talking about it today if we're no eliminating

only thing we need to wait for is SD if he has any last thoughts since I imagine he probably dies tonight if he's town

[Chell]

i will get back to this later

i still don't see the point in a no lim

it gives us a higher percentage chance of hitting scum

it's straight up just a math thing

[Chell]

actually seems like SD is done here so VOTE: no elim

[Chell]

Why am I your biggest town read Titus

[Chell]

I am having a hard time believing gob thought he would get anything useful out of claiming a guilty on titus

[Chell]

Uh well if you're actually town quickly unvote. Can't the mafia quick hammer here?

i don’t believe this is genuine

[Chell]

Idk it kinda reads to me like gob wanted to throw something wild out there on the off chance a dumb townie would vote titus and then he could backpedal as a reaction teat if it didn’t work out

[Chell]

Uh well if you're actually town quickly unvote. Can't the mafia quick hammer here?

Idk it’s weird to treat a slot as town that you are so confident on that you will fake a guilty on

[Chell]

Ugh I wish we just had killed gob days ago instead of freaking bingle

[Chell]

snivy what are your reads

[Chell]

Like i know you said you dont know who second scum is but do you have any inclinations between me/titus/gob

[Chell]

Then what is your solve

[Chell]

Because I was thinking it was drew/snivy tbh

[Chell]

And I’m just gonna accept you’re town probably even though a large part of me wants to kill you and avoid the possibility of losing to you

[Chell]

Alright it seems I am the most townread person in this game.

Even though I have just flailed like an idiot, but that seems to be enough.

However the wolf team, you have kept me alive this long because you think I am stupid, I know. You think you can outsmart me, and maybe you can.


But Camel, I know you are actually town here. Clearly, the FoS has been on you too much and Taly tried anti-spew with you that was beyond fake. I believe the true wolf is... well we both know who it is here, but we can't say it outloud for fear of our lives (in-game).

There are five of us left, 3 town, 2 mafia most likely. The cards are all on the table and we.... no, I, will not mess up here.

This might be the scummiest post of the game.

why exactly

[Chell]

That feels reflexive

[Chell]

I feel like Drew consistently scum red Khaos but he was never a hard push, it was always a very soft push and he had to be goaded to actually vote him a couple times, but never when Khaos had a ton of pressure on him. I feel like Drew knew Khaos was someone he needed to scum read but wanted to see if defenders like snivy would keep him alive

Also whenever drew brings up Khaos!scum it is to link it with a scum read to gob or snivy

I think i just talked myself into drew/titus being the team

[Chell]

I do think titus is the one most positioning for end game here

She’s town reading me because i die tonight and bussing to set herself up for a win in an F3 of gob and snivy

I’m also thinking her vote on gob was kind of performative since she later admits she knows it was fake

[Chell]

VOTE: drew

I’m more confident on this but I would like titus to be thoroughly considered in an F3

[Chell]

drew and i are scum together

[Chell]

i think it's ccs/drew

[Chell]

the one thing i was worried about was gob/titus being the team but that's clear now

individually gob and titus are just the two towniest slots left

i also think PR wise at least one of Drew or ccs makes sense as mafia

drew's role makes the least sense as a town PR given we already have a mostly useless "verification role" in naerys

[Chell]

Titus and CCS cannot be scum together

They would have won the game

[Chell]

I feel like mechanically it makes sense to NOT vote drew here cause cehll voted him and chell could be mafia.

So like statistically that lowers drew's chance of being maf.

what u guys think?

Give me some positive feedback

Both could be mafia? Unless you're scumreading Chell, this response doesn't make sense.

I feel like mechanically it makes sense to NOT vote drew here cause cehll voted him and chell could be mafia.

So like statistically that lowers drew's chance of being maf.

what u guys think?

Give me some positive feedback

I like how you think

you should probably omgus too

why would u say this here?

because thats what you do in elo

I feel like mechanically it makes sense to NOT vote drew here cause cehll voted him and chell could be mafia.

So like statistically that lowers drew's chance of being maf.

what u guys think?

Give me some positive feedback

Both could be mafia? Unless you're scumreading Chell, this response doesn't make sense.

I will give you a spoiler, there is no chance of us both being scum.

Why?

[Chell]

i don't think it's gob/drew

[Chell]

Vote me if you must, but after my flip everyone go after Snivy.

i mean maybe I'm confbiasing because I know drew is scum but every way I try to look at this is just fake

I don't think there is ever a universe drew genuinely forgets we're in elo as town

i think more likely he forgot what he was "supposed" to be doing because a snivy/drew team is in a really bad spot right now

[Chell]

idk CCS has had me as a scum read for like 3 full day phases so i think it's very clear what he *wants* to do here

but it's kind of awkward if they both just vote me in tandem

[Chell]

I feel like mechanically it makes sense to NOT vote drew here cause cehll voted him and chell could be mafia.

So like statistically that lowers drew's chance of being maf.

what u guys think?

Give me some positive feedback

I like how you think

you should probably omgus too

But I would rather vote you, maybe tomorrow we finally can.

VOTE: Chell

[Chell]

HURT: Bingle

Kinda lazy to go through my Snivy case and I feel it only makes sense to me anyways

drew also soft-supported the bingle wagon while apparently having a strong scum case on snivy but not wanting to actually push through with it

just every time i look at drew's read on ccs or vice versa it looks like there's some *reason* they don't want to fully push it with each other

it looks like it's all for optics

[Chell]

also side note ccs' defense of Khaos is extremely reminiscent of his defense of Gob in Secrets of the Anuket Topaz

[Chell]

Right now, I see Drew/Gob and ccs/Chell.

if you have concerns with me specifically let's talk

otherwise i think you are missing that scum are likely to be playing specifically for a 3p here

[Chell]

yeah the extremely soft support is like

the optimal position for you to take

[Chell]

hi JV

[Chell]

HURT: Bingle

Kinda lazy to go through my Snivy case and I feel it only makes sense to me anyways

drew also soft-supported the bingle wagon while apparently having a strong scum case on snivy but not wanting to actually push through with it

just every time i look at drew's read on ccs or vice versa it looks like there's some *reason* they don't want to fully push it with each other

it looks like it's all for optics

Convince me gob isn't scum with Drew

idk mostly i just think gob has been individually very town

there was something associative i thought i saw at one point

[Chell]

It can't be as simple as Gob and Khaos plus ?

Can it?

You think the wagon shades Khaos scum? Or what.

Wut.

Scum wagon dying to get a town mis limmed.

You are saying this can't be possible.

How?

Wtf are you saying?? Am I seriously that unclear??

I agree with that line of thinking, in fact, I think Khaos could be scum myself. However I am saying that my PoE of 3 > the Khaos read using vote count analysis.

I was basically asking you if you think... well basically what you just said. And I agree, it is possible.

i thought this interaction was unlikely to be scum theatre

[Chell]

it has a little too much... annoyance in it?

[Chell]

hi im here

extremely busy with work today but can answer basic questions

[Chell]

but it's kind of awkward if they both just vote me in tandem

What do you mean by awkward here? Awkward in the sense of their image, awkward as to how it would feel for you isolated from either of them?

in the sense of optics

i think in a 5p elo where scum doesn't know if it's gonna go to 3p or not

it's kind of unintuitive for the two of them to obviously be acting/voting together

like that's pretty much putting all the chips on the table and saying that either they're gonna win the 5p or not at all

[Chell]

Chell what's your current reads on Titus and Snivy independently, and what were they prior to the vote-crossing and I guess end of day 4 as well

titus i currently town read

she was actually a pocket scum read earlier and i thought she was the one most playing for an end game position, but after rereading i think that's not really as true as i thought of earlier days

snivy i think is the most likely partner for drew just based on the way they've danced around scum reading each other all game. I also don't really have any good reasons to town read snivy, although I kind of always have trouble finding reasons to town read snivy

[Chell]

i guess there's a world where it's titus/drew instead of snivy/drew

[Chell]

gg wp

Jackson had me worried