open 894: near vanilla (game over)

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Also I reread the conversation Black is having with you and I don't see what her goal is. Is it to convince you to vote Titus? Like not really? It's not like anything she said is likely imo to convince you that you're wrong and titus is mafia or establish a kind of link that makes you less likely to vote for her. So I think the other viable answer is that she is trying to make you look good by letting you catch her because I think she knew she was already in a bad spot in that position.

the impression I got when I was talking against her was that she was trying to lead me into saying something that she'd try to turn around on me.

idk I don't really know the specific goal I just remember the distinct feeling of thinking that Black was trying to lead me into some sort of vocal trap

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also the timestamp theory is just...what? There's 17 minutes between T3's case and me posting, which is more than enough time to read through it. Black's post afterwards was two entire lines. You could be the next Mr. Fantastic with that stretch.

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i didn't check the citations on his meta-read I just read the post and it fundamentally clashed with my own experience of playing with Titus and the conclusions beyond the meta-read were incredibly barebones so I thought it was shit

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like I just can't see OWER being a strong enough thread presence for the scum to decide we gotta shoot this guy immediately. it feels like if they wanted to kill anyone they'd want to kill titus

I mean, yeah they would want to kill Titus but she's also like, a really obvious doc shot candidate. Pure WIFOM on both ends whether that goes through or not. Same with the other big townie presences like Dann. It's probable that T3 thought there was a lesser chance I'd get doc'd or that other kills outside of Titus would be too incriminating.

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if i'm scum isn't the optimal choice to kill tired person here?

oh right that's where i was going. maybe i'm stupid and my confidence is misplaced, but night kill can't be me since i would know who doctor is and i would shoot tired person over dann

ok but you thought doctor could self protect so the logic doesnt really work

that's true haha
i'm going to be honest i'm just trying to defend myself here, i get it's kind of bad and the logic is stretched very thin and i don't think there's a way i can exactly convince people because it's like well how do I know what the scum night actions are lol
but quick counterpoint: what does TP gain from self-protecting? if i'm scum and everyone else is town, tp doesn't know i know that they're doctor. they just think that i think ower is doctor, so they put the protect on ower because ower is night kill baiting.

but idk i wouldnt know

AK claimed on Day 5, theoretically the optimal play was killing AK/Shiki on N5, but scum didn't do it, since I think literally everyone thought it was a fake-claim (or hoped it was).

i don't see a reason why you couldn't have believed Dann was the doctor last night.

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i am not really sold on outworlder being scum but i guess i am sold on jupiter and pooky being town.

VOTE: outworlder

you literally said you healed me on n1

t3 was literally big angy because titus was getting him killed off a jail when he had no reason to do the kill

can both of you use your fucking brains

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yes because you are literally making the game 100 times harder than it needs to be and you are going to lose town the game because of it

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denying reality to believe in conspiracy theories like you're running to be a republican candidate

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here's a hint if you have to repeatedly say "i'm confbiased" 50 times over the course of 1 day it's very, extremely probable that you

are

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you aren't

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yeah sure

you should get jupiter to pay you money for how hard you're carrying him out of elo

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i am not really sold on outworlder being scum but i guess i am sold on jupiter and pooky being town.

VOTE: outworlder

you literally said you healed me on n1

t3 was literally big angy because titus was getting him killed off a jail when he had no reason to do the kill

pooky what is your counter to this

how do you justify voting me when T3 had zero reason to do the kill at night and I was the doc shot

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why would T3, were he my partner, think that I'm so at risk of being jailed that he, who had been under far more suspicion the prior day phase, submits the kill instead

explain that to me

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i am not really sold on outworlder being scum but i guess i am sold on jupiter and pooky being town.

VOTE: outworlder

pinging you because the same goes for you

why does T3 EVER submit the kill on the night that you doc shot me. how is it more likely that T3 submitted the kill and got jailed and I'm just a scum that you doc shot. please explain the logic here

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among us mafia where IIRC I was tunneled on Pooky/Alisae the entire game from the moment I first posted

the first game I played (Mini Normal 2170) I think I was super confident about Panzerjager being town that TSQ even stopped me and was like "why are you so confident about this"

mini normal 2185 is a lesser example and a game I'm not proud of, but I also sort of just directly called out (correctly) that bugspray was scum

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*Panzerjager being scum, woops

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but again, why does this matter

when I should be cleared by doc shot by virtue of the fact that there's no way in hell T3 would've been the one to submit to kill

. If I am T3's scum partner I am the one who submits the kill, every single fucking time, and Titus had jailed T3, so there should've been a kill on N1.

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that makes zero fucking sense pooky because the doc would just heal the JK

there is zero fucking reason for mafia to no kill on night 1 especially after already starting the game behind

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you literally just want me to be scum

you literally just want me to be scum for some fucking reason and you're finding any shitty excuse you can to deny reality so you can keep thinking i'm scum

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SCUM GET LITERALLY NOTHING OUT OF MAKING JK CLAIM THERE BECAUSE DOC WOULD STILL BE ALIVE

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it just looks like im heavily leaning your way cuz i cant get a reaction from you if i didnt pressure you and i dont even know how to read a reaction from jupiter

why do you need to read a reaction from me at this point when i'm

mechanically cleared

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yeah and I don't know they did it either

because there's literally not a single scenario that's likely or even possible than the one that's literally right in front of everyone's face

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explain how me being doc shot on n1, with the other scum jailed, who would never, in a million years, be the one to submit the kill, in a situation where it makes no sense for scum to no kill, is not a mechanical clear

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less than 2 days left in deadline

if one of me or jupiter is going to die it should be decided soon, no lim here does nothing but kill TP

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oh wild

uh ggs, i am town

pooky could've hammered me and won the game if he was scum so it had to have been jupiter right

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ggs

sorry for getting heated at the end of the game

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ggs

sorry for getting heated at the end of the game

I think that turned the tide tbh. Well played

And well played Pookie. You came in solving like crazy. I completely understand the paranoia thing you had going on with OWER. You were able to pull yourself out of that and made the right call

i think it was more the reveal that I was doc shot N1 and screaming about it that got it. i probably could've put that a lot calmer to pooky and it probably still would've ended up the way it did

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jupiter has found the textual equivalent of puppy dog eyes and it is a potent scum tool

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28 page mafia pt where there was only 1 maf for majority of the game

i think jupiter's gonna be the next datisi if he sticks around and I mean that endearingly