Open 897 - Cop 17er [DAY 6]

[Firebringer]

lemon wasn't a compromise.
titus wasn't a compromise

the only compromise were RCE and furtive both town

[Firebringer]

i think furtive 100% was a compromise at the end of day

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im totally good with elim dave

He might not be playing like scum, but he has had plenty of time to show me a thought process I can see a progression or thought put into the game as being town. He could easily done this i think. Just because I can point to things and say "yeah this doesn't feel like what scum would be posting here" doesn't mean it isn't just him being a lazy scum who has been hiding behind his VCA arguments for lack of real scumhunting.

[Firebringer]

im voting davesaz

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Also davesaz, you been running a lot of work on the vote history pattern. But explain to me how it anyway couldn't be done by scum you.

Thats what I really want to know. That is the problem with VCA to begin with. If you can do it as one alignment you can do it as other without much effort. You just take your preconceived notions of how scum makes voting patterns and apply it with a red pm, and maybe tweak it a bit to fit some mislims you want. I don't know if you adjusted at all for it, this would require me to go back and actually finding town games of your vca, see how you applied it and then look for differences.

I am not doing that.
1) Your last town game you didn't even rely this heavily on VCA
2) I believe you can use other means of finding scum than just telling me a vote push by someone is scum

[Firebringer]

how about putting the replacement out of their misery by limming the slot?

VOTE: Bellaphant

I want to remind the class, that this person scumread Titus.
But wanted to leave her alone because of out of game reasons for her absence for the game day.

Now wants to elim Bella, who could be busy irl. Who knows, and doesn't want a replacement in the slot.

Makes you think doesn't it

[Firebringer]

for as much credit dave wants to give himself credit for Titus kill,
the fact he was willing ot give slot more time but won't for bella. Might actually be telling

[Firebringer]

@Theta Alpine, get in here and vote dave.
We are ending this game day now.

[Firebringer]

i went back through Naerys iso to see if i can find any info

for one I think it clears Bingle, might have been said before.

But theres a lack of interactions with two people in particular i will iso at some point
Python and Yessiree.

It seems to me that naerys was directly engaging with town throughout her iso, either calling people scummy who were town, or trying to buddy town. Theres actually a huge lack of interactions to scum buddies.

If we just focus on slots she didn't talk to we are more likely to get her two partners me thinks.

Also this would presumably clear davesaz since she was interacting with him quite a bit.

UNVOTE:

read through on python and yessiree tomorrow.

[Firebringer]

I never have and never will compromise on my RL issue position.

Shut the fuck up.
No one cares about this.

[Firebringer]

if you spent more time solving instead of grandstanding on your stupid position on not pushing someone because RL. We wouldn't have this conversation.

Instead you like to twist the argument that people are making into some moral argument when we are playing a game of mafia.

Go away

[Firebringer]

dave don't even fucking go there.

Naerys literally just tried to use her real life issues to fucking manipulate me to lay off her.

This is a game of mafia. I will accuse you of being a scum bastard for w/e scummy thing I think you are doing.

[Firebringer]

VOTE: Python

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Also this would presumably clear davesaz since she was interacting with him quite a bit.

i dont think the naerys-dave interaction clears dave as much as you think it does

Tell me more.

[Firebringer]

Dave,

I am going to apologize for my last few posts. I am taking my anger out on you when I got triggered from rereading naerys iso.

I should not take this out on you for my issues with her. In fact very innappropriate.

I don't believe your solving/effort here is good, and I dislike your arguments to your defense because its similar defense Naerys used when arguing why she was okay with letting Titus live. If you odn't see how those similarities cause issues with other players who are looking at u.

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like here when dave was looking like he was on the cusp of nailing naerys!scum but nothing ever came of it

Thats very interesting how that happened. Kind of weird.

What about the reverse on how Naerys treated Dave though?

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Spoiler: All posts about dave

Okay, for today there are main three suspects: yessiree, myself, davesaz
As for myself, i am town. Whenever you feel some concer about me, feel free to throw it at me. I will answer them as best as i can, even if i sometimes yell my frustration out.

yessiree

- Well he is hard to read for me, played only one game with him, where he was alien. And i have to admit that i basically spent whole game following Flavor without paying much attention, so its quite hard for me to compare yessiree in that game with him here. I will be frank, i dont like his levity. Is he always like this? That faked hammer is giving me bad vibes.
@yessiree Who are your solid town reads and whom do you SR?

davesaz

- I am getting town vibes from dave. He is sorting people and their actions. I personally like his inputs, he is observant and calm. I dont see any manipulations or hidden agenda going on there. I need to look at why FB is voting him, beceause i dont see this dave to be scummy at all.
Dave, who is the most towny person for you?

Out of these 2, yessiree looks worse.

I think the counterwagons deserve way more scrutiny than trying to call giving someone time for RL derailing a wagon and then bussing when time was up.

Using the fact, that i respect RL stuff and wanted to give her more time IS NOT FAIR AND U ARE KINDLY PISSING ME OFF WITH THIS.

Defending DE as town this game wasn’t on my bingo card but VOTE: Titus

I buy that he’s just town here.

Hmm... yea RCE doesnt really look good here. It feels like he just needed an excuse to buss partner.
VOTE: RCE

Completing my review of RCE votes, and full disclosure I decided to do this one in reverse ISO so

I'm recording my thought and then checking it

.
I'm a little suspicious that it's possible Naerys wanted to join the wagon but didn't have a pre-existing reason so dug up this post to give one.
It's possible she was just going along with prevailing discussion and I'd need to look at the discussion before this to see if that's the case.

Lunch has arrived. I shall eat before continuing.

Or perhaps i simply wanted to show what i think is scummy on RCE?

You're next if I don't see a vote.

VOTE: davesaz

VOTE: furtiveglance

Could you explain why?

Taking a closer look, I'm less sure of Naerys resembling prior games.

How so?

Naerys seems the same as she does as town, but I don't think I have seen a scum game

bcz i have none

Hi dave

The only thing slightly weird here is the townread on dave at the end which to me is like...the weirdest thing about this iso. It seems like if dave was town this would have been easier push for her to make and just call scum. Hell was voting dave earlier for nothing.

The constant communications here feels like its just interacting with town is what my gut says.

[Firebringer]

subbed into enchant, and they've apparently they've done 0 solving? yeah thats a yikes lmao

enchant is so town lol

[Firebringer]

Why would she be interacting with us we literally locktowned her already, like there's no scumread on her she needed to head off and buddying more than a locktown already doesn't matter

r u telling me u don't talk to people who have u as lock town when ur scum or something

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even if i were to accept ur premise that bella hasn't been useful.
ur now going to have to explain how being not useful = scum.

Because I am fairly certain a zebra friend of mine hasn't be useful almost at all this game. And I am fairly confident that zebra friend is town.

[Firebringer]

We talk to everyone as scum but that's cause we're good at the game

Okay but I am talking in generals here.
Ur saying that scum have no reason to talk to people who townread them just seems like a weird position. Thats easiest way to blend into the game is just discuss the game with the people already townreading u. Is it not?

[Firebringer]

thats fair

[Firebringer]

Python vs Gamma looks interesting. Is scum hiding in there?

Gamma is my N0 inno

Would this be weird of distancing from Python by two teammates this early

[Firebringer]

one scum buddy says ohh there could be scum in X/Y
Then other says well Y is town. Which is true.

Its like....kind of weird to do

[Firebringer]

VOTE: Titus

would rather not lim DE here

Yeah this is scum.

[Firebringer]

all of flipped scum interactions with gob look clearing to me.
Titus/Python looks like it could be a clear on Python, I am not sure. It seems like a fight on town, but it feels a bit forced

[Firebringer]

I'm begining to feel like FB is white knighting me.

how is me asking dave for a case on u, white knighting you.

You know what. Don't answer this is rhetorical. I am not defending you, I want dave to explain the reason he scumreads you ive been very insistent on this because I want to understand his POV.

[Firebringer]

sorry to hear that alpine, hopefully you get yourself situation soon.

[Firebringer]

Remember when i said i need to reconsider my townlist?

Oh well, forget it. I like it like that so far.

Okay enchant, I can believe you have reads.

BUT I DOUBT YOU HAVE A TOWN LIST

[Firebringer]

I have given that reason over and over. It's not going to change.

My problem with your explanation is that the reason you gave can be easily be done by scum!you. Like saying bell isn't doing anything, her votes are all bad. Its just like low level analysis even given all your talk about the votes and all the math you brought into the game.

Tell me how this couldn't be a case from scum you

[Firebringer]

That’s a decent option for ‘breaking’ this game to not be scum sided, fwiw, but relying on 3 night phases blind to balance a setup is poor game design because there are literally 2 people who just don’t get to play and if scum hits cop you might as well call the game right there.

I dislike this game setup anyways so this is a fine way to play it

[Firebringer]

I am bored.

I just sell my vote to Bingle.


That obviously won't backfire.

This is the best scum bingle case I heard all game

[Firebringer]

will u use ur townread status for good or evil mr bingle

[Firebringer]

Speaking of, are we still on to invade France next week?

thats not evil, thats just something needs to be done

[Firebringer]

enchant how is selling ur vote going for u so far

[Firebringer]

doesn't look like bingle is an interested buyer

[Firebringer]

im still interested in what u were going to say all those pages ago.
But i figure maybe its best left as the unsolved mystery

[Firebringer]

he's just pretending to give up his agency to Bingle, you already know who he wants to vote

I don't actually. Who does he want to vote.
I think ur following Enchant posts more closely than me at this point

[Firebringer]

VOTE: Davesz

[Firebringer]

i do kind of hate how Bella has not used her vote once in this game day.
Its really kind of annoying given how long this game day has gone and she just hasn't voted at all.

I can forgive her for not being here for most of the game day but this is just handicapping us from actually doing anything.

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we cant let enchant hammer though that means dave will flip town

[Firebringer]

no u fool, ur supposed to trick him into thinking he is the hammer vote so that yessiree could do the actual hammer. Now the zebra will run away

[Firebringer]

its been nearly two weeks without an aristeia post. Sadge days.

[Firebringer]

I wouldn't vote Dave anyway.

This is a good sign for this wagon tbh

[Firebringer]

zebras are allegic to scum. this is something ive discovered in the course of this game

[Firebringer]

now if only we could get the mod to prod bella, she comes in and votes davesaz and then yessiree hammers.

Hopefully this is done tomorrow afternoon and i see a red flip. Hopefully

Back to anime cya later

[Firebringer]

enchant if davesaz is scum u should really just sheep me for remainder of game. Even though I know u wont

[Firebringer]

are u telling me u have scumreads now

[Firebringer]

Will you sheep me if dave is town?

I will sheep you when you have a positive K/DA

lol

[Firebringer]

ill sheep u enchant if u actually have a scumread and davesaz is town. Sure

[Firebringer]

how can zebras even believe in favors, that requires the social concept of giving back what is owed. Do zebras believe in this?

[Firebringer]

imagine alisae delays deadline for replacement for bellaphant.

[Firebringer]

Seeking replacement for Bellaphant. Theta Alpine has requested repalcement.

lol

[Firebringer]

VOTE: Thea Alpine

[Firebringer]

should we just run through the list of almost assuredly town and yet everyone else at this point

[Firebringer]

Feel pretty chill calling yessiree town

[Firebringer]

Might be interested in just killing Jackson tbh. Unless

they

he

towns it up

Ali Note: Editing incorrect pronoun usage on request of the poster.

[Firebringer]

part of me wants to believe davesaz can't be scum here because hammering last teammate like that but another part of me believes that easily could be last minute buss.

[Firebringer]

Townie
[yessiree]
[drew]
[python]

probably town
[enchant] - willing to yeet just cause losing to him would make me salty for how anti town has played and giving passes at this point is absurd.

willing to reconsider:
Jackson

on the fence:
davesaz


I think yeeting in davesaz/jackson/enchant wins the game 9/10

[Firebringer]

sorry enchant its your time:
VOTE: Enchant

[Firebringer]

Damn should i start ATE hard

if u want to entertain me, go for it.

[Firebringer]

Damn should i start ATE hard

if u want to entertain me, go for it.

nah i want you to suffer

I am chilling either way my man.

[Firebringer]

anyone reason u think ur reads have been so off that u been townreading the scum so hard u been pushing against their yeets everytime.

[Firebringer]

who is ur strongest townread, so that we can yeet them after ur dead

[Firebringer]

Do you have anything other than "Drew" to say why Drew is townie?

Do you have any arguments for why Black was scummy in her iso

[Firebringer]

its kind of scummy how u killed black to take her green pm. ngl

[Firebringer]

who is ur strongest townread, so that we can yeet them after ur dead

You

I doubt it

[Firebringer]

but a promise is a promise, we better yeet me just to be safe

[Firebringer]

who is ur strongest townread, so that we can yeet them after ur dead

You

I doubt it

Too late to take words.

look at u basically admit im not ur strongest townread lol

[Firebringer]

ur an adorable zebra

[Firebringer]

no that's wrong firebringer is mafia cop

[Firebringer]

He dead jim

[Firebringer]

This was indeed a lurker do nothing scum team.
Honestly losing to this would have been pretty sad.

[Firebringer]

Not a single deep wolf.
The best they had going was killing the cop n1.

[Firebringer]

Enchant replaces gob

DragonEater70 has been killed. He was a

cop

.

honestly at this point the team is Theta (bad at scum), Naerys (heavy lurker), and Enchant.

I would not be surprised at all if Enchant saying he actually rnged a kill on Dragon to be true.

[Firebringer]

Even if enchant trolling and not actually mafia right now. I do believe last scum is probably deciding all the kills

[Firebringer]

Naerys not going to go into it much but I do not wish to play with a game with you agian after this post.

So challenge for Naerys:
Go through my iso and I just want you to comment on all my takes on yourself. Can be anything just what you think I am doing/ur personal thoughts on my position/is it real-fake/possible opportunism. If you think i am smelly doody head, w/e. Just give me ur thoughts on how I have read and talked about yourself. I think this will be best I get for informing my read on you.

Nayers - Queen of Sloth. Possible Scum. Not feeling great about it. See my questions and stuff at her above posts.

yessiree looks worse but the reasons again. They just seem superficial anyone can make doesn't make it fake just means I can see anyone coming up with this even a scum player.
Show

After shitty day reading this about my post i put genuine effort into i really dont feel any desire to give you any helpful reaction. I might be throwing tantrum, but i am in bad mood so idc.
For your info: I am living like 3 years with deep depressions. I am using antidepressants and i am mostly stable but i have my mood swings. Could you kindly respect the fact that not everyone has energy, wits or w.e. to write tons of posts everyday?
I am playing this game bcz the solving is fun and i love interactions with players (well, some).
Have a good day

This post crossed my line of using out of game personal material in the game to manipulate. It can be all accurate but wasn't needed to be said to me. It seems extremely manipulative to tell me about your depression like this.

Please do not sign up for another game with me.
Thanks,

[Firebringer]

yessiree and python u were both great in this game. Both of u made this game worth playing, enjoyed u both.

ohh and obviously Aristeia but she took my sanity.
Bingle and Drew both smell

Enchant is my number one zebra.

dragoneater was really mafia in my heart.

Thanks for the game alisae

[Firebringer]

Pedit: HES AGAINST IT MUST BE ON SCUM

[Firebringer]

me announcing it publicly allows me to point to any mods or future game hosts if i need to. if she tries to join a game i am in or already signed up for, i can easily reference that post showing I told her not to do it.

[Firebringer]

but to answer your question a lot of AtE is acceptable in game. I have seen a whole lot in my mafia career and a lot of really excessive posting that i think crosses line.

I don't have much personal tolerance and ftr I didn't report a single post. This is just me stating a boundary for myself.

[Firebringer]

Please do not sign up for another game with me.
Thanks,

Do you have any alts i need to be aware of? So i know when not to sign up

I rarely ever alt. If i do, it likely would be fire assassin
Thanks

[Firebringer]

Dragoneater don't lie u were scum cop

[Firebringer]

Dragoneater don't lie u were scum cop

I was

btw my read on Meuh was 100% a meta read and not a cop inno, I had a cop inno on Python

LOOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

[Firebringer]

bad at scum though no
this is my first loss after a five game scum win streak

i think ur bad at scum no matter how many wins u have on ur belt tbh

[Firebringer]

i mean its just fact that a bad scum can be carried just like a bad town can be carried.

see my win here as an example of me being carried as bad town

[Firebringer]

you should check Mueh to make sure DE70 didn't pull any shenanigans on us ya know what im sayin

Called it lmao

U called many a things my good sireeee