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I think the two most apparent ones are Black and Argon. They've been following eachother's votes onto different wagons throughout today.Show"I'm sorry that you put asbestos in your coffee."
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That is a possibility, but I don't think that holds here. The people on Shadez' wagon, as well as some of the smaller wagons around Shadez, have more or less stayed on there.In post 1847, Argonauts wrote: I think that pov might be kind of backwards. Townies are probably more likely to change their minds as they react to things and try to solve. Scum will have an agenda they want to push and find it harder to move naturally.
I think I'm gonna go compare the d1 shaddowez wagon with this one- the way his wagon dissolved midway through the day and moved to town was something I've been looking askance at.
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In post 1847, Argonauts wrote:[...]Townies are probably more likely to change their minds as they react to things and try to solve.
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It's almost as if they are not loyal to the town.Show"I'm sorry that you put asbestos in your coffee."
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Christ, Argon. Choose a wagon and stick to it for longer than 24 hours.Show"I'm sorry that you put asbestos in your coffee."
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Isn't Shadez just claiming to be an advanced Doctor? How would babysitter ever be informationally useful?
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Serial Killer, if you're listening in to this broadcast, I would recommend for the good of the town and yourself, that you turn off the lights on Black. Thank you.Show"I'm sorry that you put asbestos in your coffee."
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do no afraid, just protect who you do think is scum okIn post 1900, shaddowez wrote: Granted those aren't the only two options, but me continuing to protect while hoping they kill not me is risky at best, since that also protects another target.Show"I'm sorry that you put asbestos in your coffee."
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I'm sure you know who I'd want you to shoot, but I think my final solve is
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If Shadez is town after the bullshittery that you wagon hoppers did to save him, then we were never going to win in the first place.Show"I'm sorry that you put asbestos in your coffee."
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It's okay, you can go back to sleep. Dragons already hammered Skygazer.Show"I'm sorry that you put asbestos in your coffee."
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Good god.
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I would like to declare that Shadez is town here for the revelation of who was on their wagon yesterday.Show"I'm sorry that you put asbestos in your coffee."
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Also, now that the claim supressor hath left us, if any of you have any information for the town at all, I'd suggest you not Save it here, but let it flow freely like gold or milk.Show"I'm sorry that you put asbestos in your coffee."
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I do have something to claim, but much like how I supressed what I wanted to say yesterday, I shall supress it here as well until I hear from everyone at the round table.In post 1927, Argonauts wrote:
So you have nothing to claim? You're a VT? And the dragons? It's mass claim time.In post 1923, Jake The Wolfie wrote: Also, now that the claim supressor hath left us, if any of you have any information for the town at all, I'd suggest you not Save it here, but let it flow freely like gold or milk.
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I would also like to point out that Jacob was executed with 2 (probably 3, with Shadez being practically conf!town, 4 if you'd be willing to humor me) town off-wagon. That wagon was hella contaminated lol.In post 903, Alianna wrote:Show"I'm sorry that you put asbestos in your coffee."
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Orion, what is your opinion on Progon (std) and Antigon (DragonEater)?Show"I'm sorry that you put asbestos in your coffee."
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In post 1935, DragonEater70 wrote: Why am I antigon? And who's Orion? Wasn't rh9 Orpheus or something?
Progon is Progon because they are Pro-Dragon and you are Antigon because you eat Dragons.
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I will admit, I was not as right as I thought I was.
At least my world has been refreshed and this game is 1000x more interesting.Show"I'm sorry that you put asbestos in your coffee."
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Jackson was a traitor in both mind and matters.
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Argon is an M.O.D. plant to test out giving out different roles to the different heads of a hydra.Show"I'm sorry that you put asbestos in your coffee."
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If there is ever a hydrae consisting of Aureal, Dr Drew, Rh9, Antigon, and Progon, can it be named "Polygon"Show"I'm sorry that you put asbestos in your coffee."
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Oh yeah, that.
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That's reasonable. And Antigon?Show"I'm sorry that you put asbestos in your coffee."
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I never did catch where you crumbed at.In post 243, Argonauts wrote:Well OF COURSE you had to get that role, ugh
Orpheus's crumbing was only half-serious. We're backup miller :igmeou:
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Well, while we wait for Antigon to post, what are your thoughts on who might be scum, Shadez?Show"I'm sorry that you put asbestos in your coffee."
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I don't think this is multiball?In post 1968, shaddowez wrote: Completely ignoring claims for the moment StD, largely based on voting records.considering this could be multiball.Especially
Not liking Argo's claim/explanation either. Seems convenient that there was a "crumb" and then chose backup miller after a miller was claimed. The "I was afraid I was gonna get vigged" is based on 72 and 236, so something's just not sitting right with me there.
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Hm. Shame, that.
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I suppose the time is drawing near, yes.
I would like to post in-full both my claim and what my conclusions are based on what has gaooened in thread during my lunch break. It should be in no less than a few hours, possibly within the hour.Show"I'm sorry that you put asbestos in your coffee."
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I am a Town Loyal Checker, and last night my ability failed on Progon, likely meaning that they are scum.
(For the previous days, I checked Roden on N1, but they are dead now. On N2, I checked Black and very publically pushed them the day after.)
Here are some of my crumbles:
Spoiler: dabadeedabadai, dabadi dadubi
As for today, I have the general feeling that Argon rightfully caught that I had found something on Progon (their confirmation was helpful) and had started pre-emtively pushing their only logical choice, Antigon [I will henceforth be calling Antigon "Neugon" from now on.] As previously mentioned, Lucca had also caught that I may be crumbing something, so this is not a slam dunk.
Really, I've been having a fair bit of trouble deciding between Neugon and Argon. Both of them have had questionable and suspicious histories, as though mirroring one another.
I am very tempted to say that the severe antagonism between Jackson and Argon have shown to eachother in the past was theater, at least to Jackson (Just look at how antagonostic that Jackson was to Claptastick) but those are dark and swampy waters to wade in. Instead, we can walk the path on contraction, where Jackson interracted with Lucca. In some posts like the ones below, Jackson seems to just dislike and distrust Lucca, rather than being openly antagonistic.
Spoiler: why does yt shorts keep showing me clips from house md.
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I looked into this, looking through both your and Lucca's D3 play, and you did push for Progon to get axed, voted them, even. The main issue is that Lucca also didn't townread Progon yesterday, which is another symmetry. (I swear, if Black roleblocked me and it turns out that both you and Neugon are both scum, I'll have a fit.)In post 1988, Argonauts wrote:[...]
Furthermore, Jake seems to be totally overlooking how yesterday I was pressuring both Jackson and Dragons (who is basically confirmed scum from his POV) and it was others like himself who forced it to end in a Skygazer/shaddowez showdown. [...]
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There is one asymmetry between you two: your take on Jackson. While Lucca arguably left the door open for Jackson to be town, you demonstrably nailed that door shut. However, I'm discounting this as Jackson was a lost wolf, which would mean that the scum would've had to figure out that he was their lost wolf. If Neugon wants to, they can dig through Jackson's and Progon's ISO to see if there's any indication that Progon knew they were a lost wolf.Show"I'm sorry that you put asbestos in your coffee."
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While unlikely, it may have been possible for the mafia to have roleblocked Jackson on that night.In post 1990, Argonauts wrote: Mafia would know they have a traitor. Mafia knew Jackson was likely their traitor there because only the SK blocking him could realistically explain what he was doing otherwise. (I suppose he could technically have been the SK in their eyes too, but that's such insane play for a 3P that I don't think it's getting seriously considered.) So, good odds they would at least be pretty comfortable with him rather than wanting to push him.
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I could've been, Black was part roleblocker after all. However, from my perspective there would need to be a few things that would need to be explained for you to not be scum. These include:
- Neugon's lack of thread presence and thread awareness, where Argon (or myself if you fancy) is their teammate.
- Argon's turn on Neugon after I hinted that I had something on you, but didn't know what.
- - If Argon were scum and I was roleblocked, they could reasonably suspect that I was pulling a reaction test.
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We can keep going around in circles, Progon, but the fact remains that the evidence is stacked against you, and the most you can do is dispute one part of it.Show"I'm sorry that you put asbestos in your coffee."
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From my perspective:
I'm town, because Alianna gave me the role pm of a townie.
Shadez is town, due to Jackson voting for them yesterday. It would be highly unlikely that Jackson would willingly axe one of his partners given that many other town wagons were also formed on that day and that the mafia were in an excellent spot yesterday.
Progon is Wolf, not only becauseof their star fox pfpof my result on them, but also because of the restrospective investigation into their behaviour.
Putting all of this together, this means that one of Argon / Neugon is the last wolf, and today will likely be my last day in figuring out who it is.Show"I'm sorry that you put asbestos in your coffee."
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Shadez, if you feel like you want to end the day you can.
I can't control your action or how you use it, and suggesting anything is risky. Do what you think is best.
I think that Argon here is suspicious, trying to cast shade on me and putting my credibility into question. If I were alive tomorrow, I would almost certainly axe them.Show"I'm sorry that you put asbestos in your coffee."
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So, going back to EoD3, I had recently announce my final solve of Black/Argon/Shadez. Unlike Jackson, I do not believe in investigating who you think is already guilty, instead I believe in clearing ambiguity. For this reason, I didn't want to investigate those three.
Now, because I thought I had a solve, I decided to look for an SK. Out of all of the living players, I didn't want to check the majority of them. I didn't wish to check Black/Argon/Shadez for the reasons stated above. I also didn't want to check Cakez because I would have expected my action to fail, with them being an outed and obvious Ascetic. I also didn't want to investigate Jackson, whom I thought was town. This lead me to the only two options left, Luca and Progon. I decided Progon over Lucca mostly arbitrarily.Show"I'm sorry that you put asbestos in your coffee."
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Why do I have the feeling that it's not just Aureal that's all in on making themselves look bad, but Argon as a whole?In post 2047, Argonauts wrote:
if we live to tomorrow, we'll be voting you too so don't be worried. :PIn post 2043, Jake The Wolfie wrote: Shadez, if you feel like you want to end the day you can.
I can't control your action or how you use it, and suggesting anything is risky. Do what you think is best.
I think that Argon here is suspicious, trying to cast shade on me and putting my credibility into question. If I were alive tomorrow, I would almost certainly axe them.
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Unless you're proposing that the team of Jake and Progon somehow predicted the long haul, that everything would flip over and collapse when there would be no observable reason to believe that, then I would have no idea what your thoyght proccess is here.Show"I'm sorry that you put asbestos in your coffee."
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I feel like I'm not being charitable here. What do you see from your perspective, Argon?Show"I'm sorry that you put asbestos in your coffee."
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If I were a wolf here, I would not have framed a fellow teammate, I'd instead opt to frame someone else who is not a fellow teammate. This translates to Progon being town here, and (in your PoV) Neugon being my partner.In post 2055, Argonauts wrote:
I don't know what you mean by this. If you're a wolf, it's not hard to predict that Save the Dragons is going to be in trouble here today. Getting out ahead of it by saying you have a guilty on him is possibly a viable play, when there's a role like shaddowez has out there to use as an excuse for you surviving.In post 2053, Jake The Wolfie wrote: Unless you're proposing that the team of Jake and Progon somehow predicted the long haul, that everything would flip over and collapse when there would be no observable reason to believe that, then I would have no idea what your thoyght proccess is here.
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Why frame a fellow wolf when there'd be an equally viable town to frame?
I'm not going to say that Shadez would be a fool for protecting anyone here (as anyone he protects would be liable to dying if he was killed), but it would not be the move I'd make. Regardless, if no one dies tonight, it will be the topic of discussion that gets unraveled tommorrow.Show"I'm sorry that you put asbestos in your coffee."
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You, uh, don't have just 4 flips to go off of.In post 2037, Argonauts wrote:
PoE, wagon position, and a lousy start to the day basicallyIn post 2020, DragonEater70 wrote:
Why am I scumIn post 2008, Argonauts wrote: Orpheus exists in his own world, and the dragons are both scum.
VOTE: Save the Dragons
"could you have been roleblocked", lol
Like, I'm not vibing with the way Jake is acting as if your slot and ours are roughly the same likelihood to be the last mafia, it feels like trying to keep options open rather than sensible. Accusing me of trying to shift to you because of his crumbing is a very messed up way of thinking. There was literallyflips to get information from so it'd be weird if suspicions didn't shift at all. Your slot sat on shaddowez, whom Jake now views as clear, for a large part of the game; while I actually pressured and tried to get nearly confScum Dragons and the traitor flipped yesterday. So I sure am not seeing where Jake's head is at, it doesn't feel good faith at all. But given the claim that's a problem I might not even have to deal with tomorrow.4
I clocked that Shadez was town immediately after I saw that Jackson was a wolf, I thought that you might've as well. You also caught that I was crumbing something about Progon, so I would think that you would've at least consider that I had some form of guilty on Progon. Given those two facts alone, I thought that you would've figured out that, at least from my POV, the game was shrunk down to just finding the last scum between you and Neugon.
Given that I thought you had figured the above, it was very suspicious for you to throw shade Neugon's way, instead of showing what you thought was scummy about Lucca/Neugon.Show"I'm sorry that you put asbestos in your coffee."
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Aureal, why this hostility? I'm sorry for this terrible miscommunication between us, it wasn't my intent to act selfish and self-centered in my responses to you. I really hope that I'm not causing you emotional distress here.
These are the posts in particular that I thought you were shading Neugon instead of providing commentary on them, the former of which I believe is scum indicative while the latter would obviously be town indicative:
Spoiler: NOTTHEBEES.exe
When I questioned that there were 4 flips I meant that, in addition to the 4 axes, there were 5 deaths which leads to 9 flips in total and thus 9 whole flips for information. While the 4 axes can give you relational information between players, the 5 deaths can give you practical insight into how the wolves act.Show"I'm sorry that you put asbestos in your coffee."
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Huh. That was strange.
Anyway, Argon I must apologize. I had sent an auditor who knows lots of sky-faring to check the quality of your ship, and it was squeaky clean. I shall never again doubt your divine authority.
In other news, get voted nerd
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Sorry Neugon! You just got unlucky, repping into a suspicious slot. I hope we get to play a game in the future!Show"I'm sorry that you put asbestos in your coffee."
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lmfao, the mafiadidblock Jackson N2Show"I'm sorry that you put asbestos in your coffee."
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Orpheus, create us a poem for the ages.Show"I'm sorry that you put asbestos in your coffee."
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Everyone who gets first blood on Not_Mafia contributes to a town victoryIn post 2087, SirCakez wrote: I CONTRIBUTED TO TOWN VICTORY FOR ONCE IM GONNA CRYShow"I'm sorry that you put asbestos in your coffee."
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I was actually a little suspicious of Jackson having a similar role to mine, but I was mostly all in on the "Jackson you sly fox, I'm gonna get your head!"
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lol in our next game I'm gonna poke fun at you with this. "Yeah i hear you and you sound reasonable. but also you investigate guilty ppl."In post 71, JacksonVirgo wrote:
Bro, I was talking through my teeth to justify who I chose. I agree with you, you should supplement where you're the weakest and that's generally your null-tierIn post 2046, Jake The Wolfie wrote: Unlike Jackson, I do not believe in investigating who you think is already guilty, instead I believe in clearing ambiguity. For this reason, I didn't want to investigate those three.Show"I'm sorry that you put asbestos in your coffee."
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