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[Black]

All this chatter confusing the thread almost makes me think Jackson could be hard-bussing gypyx here. I just wanted to put that on the table in case I end up night-killed.

Luca please what are you not seeing that i'm seeing, psyche / black / jackson are litterally openly acting as their own unit doing the bare minimum to appear like they're sorting each other and apparently that's not enough for you

Funny you talk about bare minimum. You're throwing Jackson and me in with Psyche because... *checks notes*.... we all think you're scum

That's the extent of your solving and I don't believe it's real

i also don't see any interest in entertaining the view that you could be town when everyone else has very good reasons to be town and you haven't bothered pretending you were uninformed for a single bit today

I don't really care if scum townreads me. You've held your fake Black scumread all game and have worked backwards to justify it. No one is buying it

[Black]

it simply doesn't make sense for town to play this recklessly in ELo, the only reason to vote before a consensus is reached is if you want things to go faster, right now town!black has zero reason to want to speed it up EVEN MORE

I think you're scum. I thought you were scum D2. I thought you were scum today before Psyche's claim and now I'm just trying to decide if he's bussing you or not. I'm not worried that you flip town

[Black]

Holy shit 10 more pages

Not gonna read all that rn

[Black]

I'm not gonna be around much this weekend and this game is moving at an extremely fast pace so I'm bound to get behind

[Black]

Well there's 25 new pages since I last checked. Not going to be able to read them today

Why are we voting outside the 1v1? Either Psyche or Gypyx have to be scum, if not both

[Black]

I haven't seen the analysis but I don't think it makes any sense to risk misfading OWER when there's guaranteed scum in Gypyx/Psyche

[Black]

Well there's 25 new pages since I last checked. Not going to be able to read them today

Why are we voting outside the 1v1? Either Psyche or Gypyx have to be scum, if not both

Town dissonance is being a pain in the ass in regards to being able to flip one or the other

Neither wagon has enough support? I'm willing to vote Psyche if needed

[Black]

Not just ketchup, hu tao as well.

The split is approximately { ketchup, hu tao, gypyx } + { black, psyche, mel, luca } and then outworld as like a middleman that has seeded themselves into both sides.

Ok so OWER just needs to decide who he thinks is scum. He can either hammer Gypyx or he can vote Psyche and I'll hammer

Resolving the 1v1 has to be the play. Unless the analysis on OWER is like some Sherlock Holmes shit

[Black]

woah that's fucking crazy, i wonder why all the scummy people are siding with you jackson

got any idea?

You have no chill do you

[Black]

you're getting fucked marinated and i'm the one who has to pay the price for it trying to make your stubborn ass see anything else

pedit : yeah that's what i'm doing i'm tired of trying to win, i'm here for the pain

Why the fuck are you so rude? You've just been antagonizing people for like 2 days straight

[Black]

i hate everything here

vote me jackson, you want it, i want it

do your thing

you've earned your win congrats

:partyhat::partyhat::partyhat:

You hate everything here yet you can't seem to pull yourself away from it

[Black]

I think the solve is black, gypyx and outworld. I'm fairly confident now

Does this mean if Gypyx flips scum you're coming after me? Why are we partnered

[Black]

you're getting fucked marinated and i'm the one who has to pay the price for it trying to make your stubborn ass see anything else

pedit : yeah that's what i'm doing i'm tired of trying to win, i'm here for the pain

Why the fuck are you so rude? You've just been antagonizing people for like 2 days straight

i'm depressed my coping mechanicms are shit and i'll probably feel extremely bad once this is over

That's not a valid excuse to treat people like shit. But I do hope you feel better

[Black]

Black, everyone, please read the analysis! It has to be OutWorld, it has to be!

I'll read it as soon as I have time. Can you link the main posts about it?

[Black]

VOTE: OutWorldER

Black saying she’s ready to hammer people without reading my analysis is so scummy as well, come on, for the cookies, for the glory, for the AAAH IT HAS TO BE OUTWORLD

I'm not saying we have to hammer now, but I'm a firm believer that we should fade within the 1v1. I was just showing people that there's enough support to get either Gypyx or Psyche faded

[Black]

if you promise to vote outworld i'll stop talking apart from votes and direct answers

I don't think you are capable of this

[Black]

Also why would you ever not vote for Psyche? He's the only confscum if you are town here

[Black]

Gypyx has been constantly trying to get out of voting for Psyche and it's absolutely baffling to me. I think they are both just scum

[Black]

have you considered that you're maybe bad at the game

[Black]

PLEASE COME ON DONT THROW 3000 POSTS INTO NOTHING

I still want to read your analysis but this morning was the only real time I'll get to be at my PC today

I don't think the odds get much better than a 50/50 shot in Gypyx/Psyche

[Black]

If Gypyx vs Psyche is not a bus, and Jackson+Luca are Masons, the only possible teams are

1. Hu Tao / Gypyx / Outworld
5. Gypyx / Black / Outworld
7. Psyche / Black / Outworld

I'm not convinced Gypyx vs Psyche isn't a bus. Actually I think it's pretty likely it is a bus considering Gypyx has threatened to vote for Jackson and now OWER instead of Psyche, who should be confscum from her perspective if she's town. I think she's trying to misfade Jackson or OWER and end the game now instead of going through with the bus since she knows she won't be getting much towncred afterwards

Also I'm not scum, and I doubt Hu Tao is, so none of these scenarios really work

[Black]

Okay I'm just gonna say it. I think it's black and ower as scum. Because no way black just votes and leaves as town on Elim and lose day like that

shrug

I'm pretty confident Gypyx is scum

VOTE: Gypyx

UNVOTE:

Didn't realize the situation we're in

Also feel like this was a mini slip. How do you forget this situation as town

I don't pay attention to the numbers sometimes. I've been busy lately and not fully committed to this game or any game atm

[Black]

I do still think ur a wolf tho

bzzzzt

[Black]

I wouldn't mind voting Black out today.

I understand it's a tad more risky than Outworld, but if it's correct then it solves a lot of problems going into the next day.

There is confirmed scum in Gypyx/Psyche and you want to vote for me?

[Black]

I can't believe I'm the only one that hard townreads gypyx tbh. I definitely wanna see what dead thread was saying post game. Because that seems like the easiest read to me

It feels like caught scum that knows how to try and get townreads. A lot of the AtE has felt overdone and it keeps happening in waves that makes me feel like it's fabricated. Like she will lash out and then retract and it keeps going in those cycles. Just look at the post beneath yours. Gypyx is aware that she is townspewing. It's deliberate and part of her agenda

[Black]

I still think we should vote within Psyche/Gypyx

[Black]

i think we should vote for whatever the town can agree on so that this can move on from it's stalemate state

Would you prefer Psyche over OWER?

[Black]

Psyche is the only one that should be guaranteed 100% lockscum fypov if you're town. That should be your preference. All this talk from you about voting Jackson or voting OWER doesn't make sense to me and it's one of the main reasons I think you're scum. You should KNOW Psyche is scum and you should be doing everything you can to get people to fade him

[Black]

Yeah I think this was just a gambit gone wrong by Gypyx/Psyche

They were gonna try the bus and let the survivor cruise off the town cred until they saw people saying they could both be scum. Then Gypyx started to entertain the idea of voting Jackson, and is now wanting OWER. They're just going for the win now instead of the bus play

I haven't had the chance to see who would make sense as a third in this scenario. I'm still like 40 pages behind lol

[Black]

Last I checked we have the votes to fade either Psyche or Gypyx. We should absolutely fade within the two

[Black]

PoE doesn't make sense with anything else than psyche / outworld / you, so i'm considering this lockscum

on top of that, outworld is lockscum because of his claim, simple as that

and like, even so, i just don't get why i shouldn't be allowed to push other people than my 1v1? especially when it really looks like jackson isn't buying it anytime today, the throw would be to keep slamming my head into the brick wall at full force (not calling you a brick wall jackson)

also i don't really care about Psyche cause he's not giving me anything to chew on "Yes hello i have a guilty, anyways bye i'm out"

I think it's fine to push outside of the 1v1 but that should be you're preferred lim today if you are town. No question

[Black]

Your*

[Black]

i almost got hit by a car tonight
im taking it as a timely reminder

Wtf! Glad you are ok

[Black]

Yeah I think this was just a gambit gone wrong by Gypyx/Psyche

They were gonna try the bus and let the survivor cruise off the town cred until they saw people saying they could both be scum. Then Gypyx started to entertain the idea of voting Jackson, and is now wanting OWER. They're just going for the win now instead of the bus play

I haven't had the chance to see who would make sense as a third in this scenario. I'm still like 40 pages behind lol

Bestie

Hu Tao is never voting me

Jackson is never voting Psyche

that's the gametstate we are in right now

What does this have to do with anything I wrote?

[Black]

PoE doesn't make sense with anything else than psyche / outworld / you, so i'm considering this lockscum

on top of that, outworld is lockscum because of his claim, simple as that

and like, even so, i just don't get why i shouldn't be allowed to push other people than my 1v1? especially when it really looks like jackson isn't buying it anytime today, the throw would be to keep slamming my head into the brick wall at full force (not calling you a brick wall jackson)

also i don't really care about Psyche cause he's not giving me anything to chew on "Yes hello i have a guilty, anyways bye i'm out"

I think it's fine to push outside of the 1v1 but that should be you're preferred lim today if you are town. No question

Yes like, IDEALLY we're getting psyche today but i'm really not thinking this is doable so i'm not caring

How is it not doable? Maybe I missed something but let me check

[Black]

Not just ketchup, hu tao as well.

The split is approximately { ketchup, hu tao, gypyx } + { black, psyche, mel, luca } and then outworld as like a middleman that has seeded themselves into both sides.

Ok so OWER just needs to decide who he thinks is scum. He can either hammer Gypyx or he can vote Psyche and I'll hammer

Resolving the 1v1 has to be the play. Unless the analysis on OWER is like some Sherlock Holmes shit

Yeah so no matter who OWER chooses in the 1v1 there should be enough support for either wagon, unless things have changed since this which is definitely possible

[Black]

I don't really see the importance of that considering we don't know your alignment. My point still stands that we should have enough support to fade either player in the 1v1 and that's what I think we should do

@OWER do you have any thoughts here

[Black]

either you belive i'm getting bussed, which indicates scum!psyche or black regardless of my alignement or you belive i'm town in which case Psyche / black / outworld MUST be scum

So there's no way you and I are both town then

[Black]

I still had a little hope that I was wrong about you

[Black]

Why can't OWER/ketchup be paired

[Black]

Why can't OWER/ketchup be paired

they would've hammered me when i was at 3 votes

Seems risky. In this world you flip town and if Hu manages to block the kill then ketchup/OWER/Psyche drop like dominoes

[Black]

i took a melatonin but it's not working

Did you ever explain why you thought OWER and I were Gypyx's partners

[Black]

Also are you willing to vote OWER here instead of Gypyx?

[Black]

Yeah I think this was just a gambit gone wrong by Gypyx/Psyche

They were gonna try the bus and let the survivor cruise off the town cred until they saw people saying they could both be scum. Then Gypyx started to entertain the idea of voting Jackson, and is now wanting OWER. They're just going for the win now instead of the bus play

I haven't had the chance to see who would make sense as a third in this scenario. I'm still like 40 pages behind lol

Only Outworld works as a third there. You used to work as a third but you haven’t hammered outworld so yea

When was OWER at e-1?

And why can't Hu be scum with Psyche and Gypyx?

[Black]

I mean if you three are mafia who decided not to blitzhammer, dam. I concede

black said she thinks scum wouldn't dare to try to quickhammer due to Hu Tao having a jailkeep

this is probably her true mindset and as such explains a lot

and, look just don't mind me if that's bullshit but i think it's maybe a slip she knows hu tao is town and ergo actually a jailkeeper?

I don't know Hu is town, but in a world where the scum team is ketchup/OWER/Psyche then she would be. Stop making up slips where there aren't any

[Black]

Oh my god you have 800 posts. What the fuck

[Black]

I mean if you three are mafia who decided not to blitzhammer, dam. I concede

black said she thinks scum wouldn't dare to try to quickhammer due to Hu Tao having a jailkeep

this is probably her true mindset and as such explains a lot

and, look just don't mind me if that's bullshit but i think it's maybe a slip she knows hu tao is town and ergo actually a jailkeeper?

Yep. I think she slipped up earlier when she said she didn't know the situation we were in

Neither of these things are slips. Do better

[Black]

I think it's Gypyx/Hu/Psyche. They are finally abandoning the 1v1 and going for the win now with an OWER misfade

If we don't have enough support for a Gypyx fade we should go Psyche. I won't be voting outside of the 1v1

[Black]

I think it's Gypyx/Hu/Psyche. They are finally abandoning the 1v1 and going for the win now with an OWER misfade

If we don't have enough support for a Gypyx fade we should go Psyche. I won't be voting outside of the 1v1

Okay then move your vote psyche?

I've already said I'll hammer Psyche if his wagon gets more support. It's not me you need to convince to vote there

[Black]

Black doesn't have this type lapse in judgement as town. That's why I'm pretty confident

I don't even know what lapse in judgement you're talking about but that's not even a true statement. I fuck up all the time

[Black]

That’s a weird ass solve tho, how did u get there?

I think Gypyx and Psyche are both scum and Hu makes the most sense as a third. Hu has been scummy all game, just popping in to push whatever agenda she needs to. She rallied to get big threats Dannflor and Titus faded D1 and D2 and Gypyx hammered both of them. I think they found an opportunity to win today by fading OWER and now they're going for it. Psyche already has OWER and me in his solve so it feels like he's planning on moving there at some point. They just need to convince two townies to join them and it's gg

[Black]

Bro not more Jackson/Gypyx bullshit

Come on. Ya'll are really making this game not enjoyable to look at

[Black]

That’s a weird ass solve tho, how did u get there?

I think Gypyx and Psyche are both scum and Hu makes the most sense as a third. Hu has been scummy all game, just popping in to push whatever agenda she needs to. She rallied to get big threats Dannflor and Titus faded D1 and D2 and Gypyx hammered both of them. I think they found an opportunity to win today by fading OWER and now they're going for it. Psyche already has OWER and me in his solve so it feels like he's planning on moving there at some point. They just need to convince two townies to join them and it's gg

the macho doesn't make sense tho. If it's hu tao it has to be hu tao / gypyx / outworld

I guess this could make sense if they thought bussing OWER would be enough cred to get them to the finish line. If Psyche is town though then they would just vote Psyche and stay there and try to win the game that way. Gypyx has tried to vote out of the 1v1 on multiple occasions now which tells me they are both scum and they're scratching the bus plan and going for the win today

[Black]

Convenient she hammers right when we're talking about a Gypyx/OWER/Hu solve

[Black]

Gypyx if you are town then I hope your episode gets better. I'm sorry this game was a detriment to your health. Believe me I understand that premise completely

[Black]

black there's litterally no point keeping the mask on you know

me flipping green reduces the only possible team to you / outworld / psyche

I'm town so this is impossible, so I guess someone is wrong in their calculations or you're flipping red

[Black]

Gypyx if you are town then I hope your episode gets better. I'm sorry this game was a detriment to your health. Believe me I understand that premise completely

it's not really looking like that but thanks i guess

Good luck in life I guess

[Black]

Yay! Well played OWER and Psyche! I got two scum wins today

gg everyone and thank you Thomith for modding <3

[Black]

Clean sweep baby

[Black]

))))):

I hope you stick around and play more. I really enjoyed playing with you

[Black]

Who did the night kill?

OutWorldER

Darn. I was gonna choose black or ower. I chose the wrong one

We thought you might target me so I was basically completely out of the question. The hit was going to be either Psyche or OWER

[Black]

I'm shocked they didn't go to kill you specifically

We thought there was a chance she could have been bulletproof so we shot the person we knew was a VT

[Black]

Yeah Mafia can really suck sometimes. I'm sorry you had a bad experience Gypyx

[Black]

))))):

I hope you stick around and play more. I really enjoyed playing with you

I felt so bad because ketchup PM'ed me immediately after his VT crumb, and was so excited, and I felt awful that I didn't reply but I didn't know how to while remaining impartial

I think I had a misguided sense of crumbing at the start cos it wasn’t even meant to be a VT crumb it was just a crumb to see who was reading my messages and would sneak the word banish into their next message. But no one noticed it anyway (;

I noticed it and brought it up in the scum PT. We thought about hitting you because of it. It was a very smart play on your part

[Black]

Honestly I don't think it's the game for me either but I'm weirdly addicted to it idk

[Black]

none of the mafia wanted a fast night eh

We needed time to decompress after that shit show of a day

We literally took 24 hours off at one point and just didn't look at the PT or the game at all

[Black]

We felt bad during D3 because Gypyx was pretty obviously town and we couldn't really say that

[Black]

Spectator PT
Mod PT

Mafia and Mason PT's will be released in (expired on 2024-02-15 18:12:11). Please request any redactions in this time frame.

No redactions from me btw

[Black]

When Gypyx PMed me the solve Night 2 and clocked Hu Tao as a Town PR I honestly thought the game was over.

Yeah she's scary good

[Black]

Gypyx I still don't think you ever explained why you scumread me early on

Was it just a gut read?

[Black]

btw that's 3 pagetops in a row so I basically own the thread or something

[Black]

When Gypyx PMed me the solve Night 2 and clocked Hu Tao as a Town PR I honestly thought the game was over.

Yeah she's scary good

problem is, there's really no point being right when people don't give 2 shits about your reads

If I were town I would have helped you girl

[Black]