Mini Normal 2327: Bird Species (Game Over)

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Am I the only one who got 4 PM's about gamestart

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Duly noted

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VOTE: Black

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We should probably give gob time to make his alignment apparent, what he's posted here can come from both scum and town him

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Black might be scum for what she posted on earlier pages

Feels like she's trying to give the impression of a nuanced thought process

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Accountant

LOL wasn't this the guy who got permabanned for supporting slavery

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Anyways, back to Mafia:

I think I lean town on gob because it would make sense for him to be paranoid about me. He could be scum that is using that as a way to push me but I find this less likely

I suppose gob could be scum

He started Open 897 in a similiar way, pushing me and then working backwards to justify the vote. I think there's a possibility that gob likes to push me when he's scum because he views me as a threat. The only problem is I think he would view me as a threat if he were town too so it's really not definitive evidence

The policy lim stuff is scummy but it's hard to read gob with that because I think he does scummy stuff a lot when he's town

It's a lot of words with no real or clear conclusion, it feels like posting for the sake of posting

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Anyways, back to Mafia:

I think I lean town on gob because it would make sense for him to be paranoid about me. He could be scum that is using that as a way to push me but I find this less likely

I suppose gob could be scum

He started Open 897 in a similiar way, pushing me and then working backwards to justify the vote. I think there's a possibility that gob likes to push me when he's scum because he views me as a threat. The only problem is I think he would view me as a threat if he were town too so it's really not definitive evidence

The policy lim stuff is scummy but it's hard to read gob with that because I think he does scummy stuff a lot when he's town

It's a lot of words with no real or clear conclusion, it feels like posting for the sake of posting

I'm showing my thought process. That's not scummy

I’m not totally sure about that. I feel like you’d have simply come to a more concrete conclusion and stayed there but Im not sure.

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My issue with gob is I can see this type of push coming from either alignment. If he's town then he's worried I'll beat him again and also I think there's a possibility he just exaggerates his confidence in this read out of spite just to get me faded. If he's scum then the "fear vote" is an easy reason to hide behind while he just endlessly pushes me and works backwards to justify it. If he's scum then I think one of NotAScum/T3 is also scum helping with the push

I don’t think Black believes the last 2 points at all. Since when would gob do a ‘fear vote?’ I think Black just wants a reason to hedge on gob

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My issue with gob is I can see this type of push coming from either alignment. If he's town then he's worried I'll beat him again and also I think there's a possibility he just exaggerates his confidence in this read out of spite just to get me faded. If he's scum then the "fear vote" is an easy reason to hide behind while he just endlessly pushes me and works backwards to justify it. If he's scum then I think one of NotAScum/T3 is also scum helping with the push

I don’t think Black believes the last 2 points at all. Since when would gob do a ‘fear vote?’ I think Black just wants a reason to hedge on gob

Are you even reading the game? gob said himself that it was a fear vote in 22

Nvm I misunderstood what fear vote actually meant

You’re probably town

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Black might be scum for what she posted on earlier pages

Feels like she's trying to give the impression of a nuanced thought process

Why do you find this to be scum indicative?

Because I don’t think her actual thought process would have been that nuanced

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i dunno its more the wording you chose in your gob suspicion

Actually yeah I don't think gob says this if he's town. No shot

kinda reads as "im scum but i have to force another wagon, how do i make it look like i'm convincing myself gob is scum" rather than "i've convinced myself gob is scum"

I largely agree with this

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i dunno its more the wording you chose in your gob suspicion

Actually yeah I don't think gob says this if he's town. No shot

kinda reads as "im scum but i have to force another wagon, how do i make it look like i'm convincing myself gob is scum" rather than "i've convinced myself gob is scum"

I understand this. You may not believe me but I made that comment after I went to double-check the comments gob made about me in those two games. That pretty much convinced me that someone either kidnapped gob and is playing Mafia on his account or he's scum pushing an agenda

I don't think town!gob would openly praise my scum game after putting in work to diminish it over the last month or so. It seems more likely that he's scum smirking behind this facade because he's close to getting me faded

I don’t think town!gob was ever entirely honest

I think this point is towny for you tho

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Black’s posting gives general ‘off’ vibes but there have been several things she’s done which wouldn’t make much sense if she was scum

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i dunno its more the wording you chose in your gob suspicion

Actually yeah I don't think gob says this if he's town. No shot

kinda reads as "im scum but i have to force another wagon, how do i make it look like i'm convincing myself gob is scum" rather than "i've convinced myself gob is scum"

I understand this. You may not believe me but I made that comment after I went to double-check the comments gob made about me in those two games. That pretty much convinced me that someone either kidnapped gob and is playing Mafia on his account or he's scum pushing an agenda

I don't think town!gob would openly praise my scum game after putting in work to diminish it over the last month or so. It seems more likely that he's scum smirking behind this facade because he's close to getting me faded

I don’t think town!gob was ever entirely honest

I think this point is towny for you tho

Answer 450

I’m catching up

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I really doubt STD/Black are S/S from their interactions

elab

I liked 244, it captured exactly how I felt about black's posting in the thread.

I think if he's mafia with her and planning to bus her or whatever he'd just vote for her or push her instead of pointing out how her play is scummy without really voting for it.

I partially agree with this although I think that if STD was bussing Black he’d probably use more words, not less. I agree that the lack of vote means it’s not a bus though.

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Cakez's STD push is kind of reminiscent of him in Eminence in Shadow

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My issue with gob is I can see this type of push coming from either alignment. If he's town then he's worried I'll beat him again and also I think there's a possibility he just exaggerates his confidence in this read out of spite just to get me faded. If he's scum then the "fear vote" is an easy reason to hide behind while he just endlessly pushes me and works backwards to justify it. If he's scum then I think one of NotAScum/T3 is also scum helping with the push

I don’t think Black believes the last 2 points at all. Since when would gob do a ‘fear vote?’ I think Black just wants a reason to hedge on gob

Are you even reading the game? gob said himself that it was a fear vote in 22

Nvm I misunderstood what fear vote actually meant

You’re probably town

???

Your whole ISO is pushing me and shading me and suddenly I'm probably town? How did you reach that conclusion? And what are your thoughts on other players?

You don't seem all that concerned about appearances.

You're doing stuff that is weird + would generally be called out as scummy or at least cause people to be paranoid, but you didn't do any of those things in your scumgame with me.

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Random Nurse - null
NotAScum - leaning scum
Hu Tao - null
SmileyDude1 - null
Black - town
gob - leaning scum
SirCakez - scum
Naerys - null
Snow2697 - null
shaddowez - null
Aristeia - leaning town
Save the Dragons - leaning town

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Words cannot express how not into this game I am feeling

But this might

VOTE: no elimination

this feels stinky ngl

why

No elim vote is such a cop out and it feels very weird for mid day one

like

im really struggling to see a world where you, or anyone, actually believes this game is in danger of ending D1 with no elim

so i think your shade is stinkier than anything i did

that's not my point, I mean a cop out as in it lets you get out of voting or pushing anyone under the guise of a joke, which makes you a lot less readable if you're just not doing anything

like

im really struggling to see a world where you, or anyone, actually believes this game is in danger of ending D1 with no elim

so i think your shade is stinkier than anything i did

that's not my point, I mean a cop out as in it lets you get out of voting or pushing anyone under the guise of a joke, which makes you a lot less readable if you're just not doing anything

ok fine, but to circle back to my other point, i am not doing nothing nor not pushing nobody

but you made a long post about gobs goalpost moving and then didn't even vote him. why don't you want to stick a vote behind that or something else?

This is very scummy IMO

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Seems like this gamestate favors scum

One wagon in four days and a lot of people are just lurking doing nothing and no one really seems to care

This is a very towny post

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didn't even acknowledge his wagon

How am I supposed to acknowledge my wagon, exactly???

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The reasons people had voted me was "my ISO is bad"

Wtf do you want me to respond??? istg I get this in literally EVERY game

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wHy ArEn'T yOu AcKnOwLeDgInG tHe WaGoN oN yOu

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didn't even acknowledge his wagon

How am I supposed to acknowledge my wagon, exactly???

The reasons people had voted me was "my ISO is bad"

Wtf do you want me to respond??? istg I get this in literally EVERY game

On one hand, fair. On the other hand, you could have attempted to engage with any of the 5 people on your wagon in a way that could try and convince the rest of us you're town.

True. On the other hand, my ISO really did suck.

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I guess I was trying to demonstrate my towniness by, like, making content. In the past that hasn't really worked, because I'm limmed in virtually every town game I play.

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I'm sorta agreeing with gob and don't like the wagon comp, but I don't like the reaction either.

I don't think the fact that my wagon got to E-1 so fast is an indicator that I'm town, in practice, scum will usually be off flashwagons.

The scummiest vote on me is Cakez's though.

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VOTE: t3

Black is right

that this iso is awful

This is scum indicative

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why is it scummy? You can't just quote a wall of posts and call it scummy, that doesn't mean anything

It's scummy because you're pointing something somewhat obviously not scummy out as scummy, and then you're justifying it by saying that he's "hiding behind his no lim vote" and that he's "harder to read" because of it

But the connection between being "harder to read" and "being scummy" isn't clear

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Don't think T3 is that scummy

I think T3s ate reaction is pretty reasonable

I'm not really inclined to believe T3's AtE. He just faked it as scum in shadd's game

Who do you think is scummy?

Yeah but the purpose of that AtE was to 'bully' Titus and be all 'woe is me' which is not what I'm doing here. It's not even AtE here because it was real lol

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I'm sorta agreeing with gob and don't like the wagon comp, but I don't like the reaction either.

I don't think the fact that my wagon got to E-1 so fast is an indicator that I'm town, in practice, scum will usually be off flashwagons.

The scummiest vote on me is Cakez's though.

Could you elaborate a bit more on that one?

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Black is right

that this iso is awful

This is scum indicative

He's almost, like, subordinating himself to Black, and is sort of not comfortable taking ownership of his vote and feels the need to indicate that he's agreeing with Black. None of the other voters did.

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I can probably pull up at least 5 different occasions of town!me being accused of not mentioning the wagon on me

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why is it scummy? You can't just quote a wall of posts and call it scummy, that doesn't mean anything

It's scummy because you're pointing something somewhat obviously not scummy out as scummy, and then you're justifying it by saying that he's "hiding behind his no lim vote" and that he's "harder to read" because of it

But the connection between being "harder to read" and "being scummy" isn't clear

I feel like the connection is pretty obvious, town wants to make themselves readable because they are town and scum don't want to be readable because they are scum

Yeah but in practice I feel like the level of thought process you claimed STD would have with that No Lim vote just doesn’t happen

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VOTE: cakez

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My issue with gob is I can see this type of push coming from either alignment. If he's town then he's worried I'll beat him again and also I think there's a possibility he just exaggerates his confidence in this read out of spite just to get me faded. If he's scum then the "fear vote" is an easy reason to hide behind while he just endlessly pushes me and works backwards to justify it. If he's scum then I think one of NotAScum/T3 is also scum helping with the push

I don’t think Black believes the last 2 points at all. Since when would gob do a ‘fear vote?’ I think Black just wants a reason to hedge on gob

Are you even reading the game? gob said himself that it was a fear vote in 22

Nvm I misunderstood what fear vote actually meant

You’re probably town

???

Your whole ISO is pushing me and shading me and suddenly I'm probably town? How did you reach that conclusion? And what are your thoughts on other players?

You don't seem all that concerned about appearances.

You're doing stuff that is weird + would generally be called out as scummy or at least cause people to be paranoid, but you didn't do any of those things in your scumgame with me.

The problem I have with this, is that you coming to that conclusion after pushing Black for a lot of this phase comes off as fake to me. When exactly did you come to this conclusion (Seems like you came to it in your 449 but don't want to assume anything) and what caused you to change your mind at that point?

Yes, I came to that conclusion around 449

I changed my mind at that point because I thought about it more, but it's not like there was a specific catalyst or ah-ha moment.

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My issue with gob is I can see this type of push coming from either alignment. If he's town then he's worried I'll beat him again and also I think there's a possibility he just exaggerates his confidence in this read out of spite just to get me faded. If he's scum then the "fear vote" is an easy reason to hide behind while he just endlessly pushes me and works backwards to justify it. If he's scum then I think one of NotAScum/T3 is also scum helping with the push

I don’t think Black believes the last 2 points at all. Since when would gob do a ‘fear vote?’ I think Black just wants a reason to hedge on gob

Are you even reading the game? gob said himself that it was a fear vote in 22

Nvm I misunderstood what fear vote actually meant

You’re probably town

???

Your whole ISO is pushing me and shading me and suddenly I'm probably town? How did you reach that conclusion? And what are your thoughts on other players?

You don't seem all that concerned about appearances.

You're doing stuff that is weird + would generally be called out as scummy or at least cause people to be paranoid, but you didn't do any of those things in your scumgame with me.

The problem I have with this, is that you coming to that conclusion after pushing Black for a lot of this phase comes off as fake to me. When exactly did you come to this conclusion (Seems like you came to it in your 449 but don't want to assume anything) and what caused you to change your mind at that point?

Yes, I came to that conclusion around 449

I changed my mind at that point because I thought about it more, but it's not like there was a specific catalyst or ah-ha moment.

Can I see an example of you doing something similar as town, because right now I'm struggling to believe that the sentiments shared in your 189, 369, and 444 actually changed just by thinking about it more. It feels too sudden to me.

The seed of doubt in my mind that Black was scum was always there. I'll try to find something similar but I don't think there is necessarily

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I think Naerys is town, I don't think I'm willing to vote her.

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I kinda feel like despite having over 20 pages, nothing much happened this day.

Large part of this day was gob vs black and the gamestate feels like a stale bread.

Kinda starting to feel better about gob, he doesnt feel manipulative at all, i can understand fear of Black even if i dont really agree with his push.

I'm trying to make sense of this - you don't like gob's push (fine), but unless you know that Black is town I'm not sure why manipulation is the argument you'd go with for gob's arguments.

I just feel that gob´s motivation could be genuine fear of Black, not some attempt to manipulate gamestate
idk how to better word that

These posts are pretty towny

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I'm not too sure if Cakez is even scum at this poin but I don't have any better ideas

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I'll claim when I get to E-1

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VT

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Usually resistance to a wagon like mine is more likely to come from Mafia tbh

It’s felt kind of inevitable for a few days that I’d be limmed

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This is like 30% of mini normal games tbh