Mini Normal 2327: Bird Species (Game Over)

Hu Tao · Wed Mar 06, 2024 4:53 am

In post 1360, Black wrote:
In post 1359, Hu Tao wrote:
In post 1352, Black wrote: If RN and NAS are both town then this game is going to be an uphill battle
Big doubt. Since that would mean both Naerys and Shadow would be scum and I don't see that
Why not?

Because I think one of RN or NAS is scum based on how yesterday went. I think it's NAS

Hu Tao · Wed Mar 06, 2024 4:55 am

In post 1364, Black wrote:
In post 1363, SmileyDude1 wrote: Assuming Nurse and NAS both town, I feel Scum!Hu Tao probs would have been alright voting Nurse by this point in most scenarios. Keep in mind that we have 1 spare elimination left until MELO and NotScum's tunnel on Black. I think if we were in Hu Tao + Naerys/Shaddow world, you probs go along with launching Nurse, probs kill me, and go into MELO knowing that NotScum probs isn't going to be willing to go along wiith Black here. I think Hu Tao's persistent NAS preference indicates that she probably can only be scum with Nurse
I disagree. Hu Tao has already begun the shift to RN by saying she's not opposed to voting there. I actually think her reluctance to vote there is somewhat alarming, but if she's scum then it doesn't have to be with RN. She could easily be playing into the Hu/RN theory and setting him up to look like scum if she flips

I'm so confused with this. So I'm scum for not voting RN but also scum for willing to compromise at deadline?

Hu Tao · Wed Mar 06, 2024 4:57 am

In post 1371, shaddowez wrote: I'm back and catching up, but based on what I've read so far I'm comfortable with HT. Her defense on Naerys, regardless of Naerys' alignment, feels like it's forced and not a real town read. Some of the assumptions/reasonings there don't come off as legit.

VOTE: Hu Tao

How come you don't question my read on you?

Hu Tao · Wed Mar 06, 2024 4:59 am

In post 1372, shaddowez wrote: Their*** (I'm so sorry HT!)

Tbh I'm fine with either. It's not a big deal to me

Hu Tao · Wed Mar 06, 2024 5:00 am

In post 1376, shaddowez wrote:
In post 1373, Hu Tao wrote: Because I think one of RN or NAS is scum based on how yesterday went. I think it's NAS
What about NAS' play yesterday makes you think this?

The way that they went for black and wanted black over gob. Seems like something a new scum would do. RN I think was just paranoid because I've been literally pretty much confirmed town and he still wanted be eliminated before

Hu Tao · Wed Mar 06, 2024 5:05 am

In post 1378, shaddowez wrote:
In post 1375, Hu Tao wrote:
In post 1371, shaddowez wrote: I'm back and catching up, but based on what I've read so far I'm comfortable with HT. Her defense on Naerys, regardless of Naerys' alignment, feels like it's forced and not a real town read. Some of the assumptions/reasonings there don't come off as legit.

VOTE: Hu Tao
How come you don't question my read on you?
Because you already said you were going to look more into me, and I care more about trying to find actual scum than waste time asking about people's reads on me.

So you think I'm scum because of my Naerys read but smiley had a similar read to me, which I stated before him

Hu Tao · Wed Mar 06, 2024 5:05 am

Explain?

Hu Tao · Wed Mar 06, 2024 5:05 am

In post 1380, NotAScum wrote: HT, why do you keep SR people without providing any reason? Explain your SR on me and RN.

I literally already have

Hu Tao · Wed Mar 06, 2024 5:05 am

Smiley. You should be suspect how everyone is willing to vote me.

Hu Tao · Wed Mar 06, 2024 5:15 am

In post 1387, Black wrote:
In post 1385, Hu Tao wrote: Smiley. You should be suspect how everyone is willing to vote me.
What is the point of posting this?

What's wrong with it? He's town

Hu Tao · Wed Mar 06, 2024 5:15 am

In post 1388, NotAScum wrote:
In post 1384, Hu Tao wrote: I literally already have
Youre a master dodger, I just learned from you how to dodge any question. Just say I already answered it!

Because I have.

Hu Tao · Wed Mar 06, 2024 5:17 am

In post 1389, shaddowez wrote:
In post 1382, Hu Tao wrote:
In post 1378, shaddowez wrote:
In post 1375, Hu Tao wrote:
In post 1371, shaddowez wrote: I'm back and catching up, but based on what I've read so far I'm comfortable with HT. Her defense on Naerys, regardless of Naerys' alignment, feels like it's forced and not a real town read. Some of the assumptions/reasonings there don't come off as legit.

VOTE: Hu Tao
How come you don't question my read on you?
Because you already said you were going to look more into me, and I care more about trying to find actual scum than waste time asking about people's reads on me.
So you think I'm scum because of my Naerys read but smiley had a similar read to me, which I stated before him
1. Not just because of this
2. Smiley shows his work, doesn't just state final thoughts.
3. I've never said that I agree with Smiley's Naerys read, but based on the above 2 I haven't found anything to directly question about it just yet.

Have you played with me before?

Hu Tao · Wed Mar 06, 2024 5:19 am

In post 1393, Black wrote:
In post 1391, Hu Tao wrote:
In post 1387, Black wrote:
In post 1385, Hu Tao wrote: Smiley. You should be suspect how everyone is willing to vote me.
What is the point of posting this?
What's wrong with it? He's town
What is your motive here? Do you think everyone that is willing to vote for you is sus? Are you trying to convince Smiley you are town? I want to understand the thought process behind posting it

Yes, I'm trying to convince smiley that it's sus that everyone is seemingly fine with me being eliminated but the other votes have trouble going through. I don't think everyone willing to vote me is sus clearly it's just that it seems to be the easy vote.

Hu Tao · Wed Mar 06, 2024 5:22 am

In post 1396, shaddowez wrote:
In post 1395, Hu Tao wrote: Yes, I'm trying to convince smiley that it's sus that everyone is seemingly fine with me being eliminated but the other votes have trouble going through. I don't think everyone willing to vote me is sus clearly it's just that it seems to be the easy vote.
Even though I'm the only one that's only voted you?

Yes it's not about votes it's about willingness. And it's been that way since yesterday

Hu Tao · Wed Mar 06, 2024 7:12 am

In post 1399, Black wrote:
In post 1398, Hu Tao wrote:
In post 1396, shaddowez wrote:
In post 1395, Hu Tao wrote: Yes, I'm trying to convince smiley that it's sus that everyone is seemingly fine with me being eliminated but the other votes have trouble going through. I don't think everyone willing to vote me is sus clearly it's just that it seems to be the easy vote.
Even though I'm the only one that's only voted you?
Yes it's not about votes it's about willingness. And it's been that way since yesterday
So you think Smiley should consider you town because there has been a willingness to vote for you?

There's been a willingness to vote for NAS and RN as well. Are they both town?

There hasn't been as much. We have tried and neither got done.

Hu Tao · Wed Mar 06, 2024 7:13 am

In post 1394, Hu Tao wrote:
In post 1389, shaddowez wrote:
In post 1382, Hu Tao wrote:
In post 1378, shaddowez wrote:
In post 1375, Hu Tao wrote:
In post 1371, shaddowez wrote: I'm back and catching up, but based on what I've read so far I'm comfortable with HT. Her defense on Naerys, regardless of Naerys' alignment, feels like it's forced and not a real town read. Some of the assumptions/reasonings there don't come off as legit.

VOTE: Hu Tao
How come you don't question my read on you?
Because you already said you were going to look more into me, and I care more about trying to find actual scum than waste time asking about people's reads on me.
So you think I'm scum because of my Naerys read but smiley had a similar read to me, which I stated before him
1. Not just because of this
2. Smiley shows his work, doesn't just state final thoughts.
3. I've never said that I agree with Smiley's Naerys read, but based on the above 2 I haven't found anything to directly question about it just yet.
Have you played with me before?

Can you answer this question BTW. Not sure if you missed it

Hu Tao · Wed Mar 06, 2024 7:14 am

In post 1402, NotAScum wrote:
In post 1395, Hu Tao wrote: everyone is seemingly fine with me being eliminated but the other votes have trouble going through.
You're getting quite nervous HT, do you feel everyone else is conspiring against you?

This post is so forced omg. How does no one see this as scum

Hu Tao · Wed Mar 06, 2024 8:52 am

Can't wait for it to be shadow and NAS and somehow I get blamed after

Hu Tao · Wed Mar 06, 2024 8:53 am

I'm willing to vote RN if you are willing to reevaluate NAS tomorrow, Black

Hu Tao · Wed Mar 06, 2024 8:56 am

Watch it be RN and I'm being dumb

Hu Tao · Wed Mar 06, 2024 8:56 am

VOTE: RN

Hu Tao · Wed Mar 06, 2024 9:30 am

I think that was only 3 votes but okay

Hu Tao · Wed Mar 06, 2024 12:04 pm

In post 1415, SmileyDude1 wrote: Black, I see your point in your 1364.

Honestly I think there's a part of me that feels like it might be tunneled in regards to wanting Nurse/NAS, and I feel like i'm being pulled into certain directions right now due to my status. Thinking about it, I probably should stop procrastinating and actually go back and do a deep dive on Hu Tao. I plan on letting myself decompress for a little while beforehand so I can look at it with fresh eyes. Expect my conclusion on that anywhere between later tonight and sometime tomorrow at the very latest.

I do have some questions for Hu Tao while i'm away in regards to her 1395

1. Who would you say are your top 2 most suspect out of those who stated a willingness to vote you? Given your stances earlier I'd assume 1 of them is probably NAS but i'm wondering who else you see as potential scum in that group.

2. Do you think we're in a gamestate where it's impossible/unlikely that town would be able to collectively and correctly agree to vote scum here? If yes, why do you think this? If no, why do you think that the willingness to vote you is sus rather than misguided?

These feel like interview questions

1. NAS and Shadow is who I'm thinking at the moment. I agree that Black is likely town. Unless there is another PR out there hiding.

2. Err. I think it's possible which is why I asked if Black would be willing to re-evaluate if RN flips town. Because she seems to have a town read on NAS and that looks like our downfall if so.

Hu Tao · Wed Mar 06, 2024 12:08 pm

I know what I'm about to say no one will believe since it's self meta but today if I was scum there is no way I don't just go along with RN at the beginning of the day and try to push the vote away (assuming RN and I aren't partners) but even then I think it would better to bus in that's situation

Hu Tao · Wed Mar 06, 2024 1:03 pm

In post 1424, Black wrote:
In post 1421, Hu Tao wrote: 1. NAS and Shadow is who I'm thinking at the moment. I agree that Black is likely town.
Unless there is another PR out there hiding.

This simultaneously feels like you're trying to bait out another PR and also leave the door open to push me if one does. Do you think 4 PRs is abnormal?

Why would I bait as scum. Even if I did, it's clear Smiley is the strong PR so I'd get rid of him. Tomorrow would be full claim day anyway regardless if we get scum or not. And I doubt there is another pr with a neo and vig

Hu Tao · Wed Mar 06, 2024 1:03 pm

Another as in besides you

Hu Tao · Wed Mar 06, 2024 1:05 pm

In post 1425, Black wrote:
In post 1422, Hu Tao wrote: I know what I'm about to say no one will believe since it's self meta but today if I was scum there is no way I don't just go along with RN at the beginning of the day and try to push the vote away (assuming RN and I aren't partners) but even then I think it would better to bus in that's situation
What do you mean "go along with RN"? Like vote with him? Or vote for him? Neither of those make sense in a scum!you world. You were considering us both as TvT the day before and you kept mentioning wanting to go for NAS first. Voting me or RN would seem pretty unnatural and scummy tbh

I would just vote him. There is no reason to cause resistance. Because getting an elimination is more important. Especially when I laid the ground work of there being a scum in RN/NAS

Hu Tao · Wed Mar 06, 2024 2:40 pm

How did I shift? If I said 1 of you and NAS are scum but preferred Nas?

Hu Tao · Thu Mar 07, 2024 5:43 am

In post 1436, Save The Dragons wrote:
In post 1402, NotAScum wrote:
In post 1395, Hu Tao wrote: everyone is seemingly fine with me being eliminated but the other votes have trouble going through.
You're getting quite nervous HT, do you feel everyone else is conspiring against you?
this post indeed feels very forced

Unfortunately I don't think black will vote Nas today which limits us voting actual scum

Hu Tao · Thu Mar 07, 2024 5:45 am

In post 1439, shaddowez wrote:
In post 1421, Hu Tao wrote: 1. NAS and Shadow is who I'm thinking at the moment. I agree that Black is likely town. Unless there is another PR out there hiding.
Well, now I'm curious. You said you were going to look back into me, asked why I didn't ask about my read on you, and now all of a sudden after I voted you I'm in your top two. What reasons do you have for your read on me?

Well. I think I explained this already. I think nas/rn has one scum only. I think naerys is town. Dragons is conf town. Only leaves you left

Hu Tao · Thu Mar 07, 2024 6:09 am

In post 1442, Black wrote: Hu do you think 4 PRs would be abnormal here

Yes since we have a vigilante and neo. Unless scum have strong roles too but we've only seen a goon

Hu Tao · Thu Mar 07, 2024 7:35 am

In post 1445, shaddowez wrote:
In post 1440, Hu Tao wrote:
In post 1436, Save The Dragons wrote:
In post 1402, NotAScum wrote:
In post 1395, Hu Tao wrote: everyone is seemingly fine with me being eliminated but the other votes have trouble going through.
You're getting quite nervous HT, do you feel everyone else is conspiring against you?
this post indeed feels very forced
Unfortunately I don't think black will vote Nas today which limits us voting actual scum
It could be me, but this sounds like TMI

Now you're just scum posting. How is this TMI? Unless you're saying that Nas and I are partners?

Hu Tao · Thu Mar 07, 2024 7:36 am

In post 1448, Black wrote:
In post 1443, Hu Tao wrote:
In post 1442, Black wrote: Hu do you think 4 PRs would be abnormal here
Yes since we have a vigilante and neo. Unless scum have strong roles too but we've only seen a goon
Seems like a weird take considering we don't know what PRs the scumteam has. Vig and Neo aren't super strong power roles and can often time be a detriment to the town (vig killing a townie, neo targeting a town PR)

Most Mini Normal games I looked over have at least 4 town PRs so I'm not sure where this opinion is coming from if you're town. I fully understand where it's coming from if you're scum

How are vigilante and neo not strong? Unless I'm misunderstanding how neo works.

Hu Tao · Thu Mar 07, 2024 7:37 am

Unless your PR is very weak or something. But I don't know what you are

Hu Tao · Thu Mar 07, 2024 7:38 am

In post 1454, Black wrote: Well Vigs are strong but they tend to hit town more often than not which greatly benefits scum. Neo's are weaker than actual cops because they can't distinguish between a town PR and scum

viewtopic.php?t=92020

This is the game I'm comparing to. Scum had a 1 shot. Town had 3 pr. I don't really consider BP a pr but yeah

Hu Tao · Thu Mar 07, 2024 7:39 am

In post 1453, shaddowez wrote:
In post 1449, Hu Tao wrote:
In post 1445, shaddowez wrote:
In post 1440, Hu Tao wrote:
In post 1436, Save The Dragons wrote:
In post 1402, NotAScum wrote:
In post 1395, Hu Tao wrote: everyone is seemingly fine with me being eliminated but the other votes have trouble going through.
You're getting quite nervous HT, do you feel everyone else is conspiring against you?
this post indeed feels very forced
Unfortunately I don't think black will vote Nas today which
limits us voting actual scum

It could be me, but this sounds like TMI
Now you're just scum posting. How is this TMI? Unless you're saying that Nas and I are partners?
The bolded above makes it sound like you know whether or not NAS is scum.

Yes it limits us from voting actual scum which is NAS

Hu Tao · Thu Mar 07, 2024 7:54 am

In post 1457, Black wrote: Who do think is most likely to be NAS's scumbuddy?

I've said this already. Shadow

Hu Tao · Thu Mar 07, 2024 7:54 am

In post 1458, shaddowez wrote:
In post 1455, Hu Tao wrote:
In post 1454, Black wrote: Well Vigs are strong but they tend to hit town more often than not which greatly benefits scum. Neo's are weaker than actual cops because they can't distinguish between a town PR and scum
viewtopic.php?t=92020

This is the game I'm comparing to. Scum had a 1 shot. Town had 3 pr. I don't really consider BP a pr but yeah
That's an interesting game to link. I realize it's only one comparison, but your play seems different than that game, and Naerys' feels very similar.

Right

Hu Tao · Thu Mar 07, 2024 7:54 am

In post 1460, shaddowez wrote:
In post 1459, Black wrote: I'm also not sure why you would compare this game to just one game and be satisfied with your conclusion
Smaller sample size means less room for error, obviously!

Hu Tao · Thu Mar 07, 2024 7:57 am

In post 1463, Black wrote:
In post 1461, shaddowez wrote: Also, my conclusion was just that the play was similar between the two games. While those two are two of my top SR ATM, that was based purely on play this game....I've been burned more by meta than it's worked out for me, so I try not to use it regularly.
Oh I was referring to Hu Tao's conclusion that 4 PRs would be sus here

Is it really that big a deal?

Hu Tao · Thu Mar 07, 2024 7:59 am

Then vote me. I kinda am done with this game.

Hu Tao · Thu Mar 07, 2024 8:00 am

I think it's Nas and Shadow. Just remember that after my flip for tomorrow

Hu Tao · Thu Mar 07, 2024 5:24 pm

In post 1508, Random Nurse wrote: For posterity sake I would like both Save the Dragons and Hu Tao to explain exactly why they're voting me. If and when I do flip Town they will be forced to explain themselves.

I've already said I think it's NaS and Shadow. But it seems no one else agrees with me.

Hu Tao · Thu Mar 07, 2024 7:11 pm

In post 1510, Random Nurse wrote:
In post 1509, Hu Tao wrote:
In post 1508, Random Nurse wrote: For posterity sake I would like both Save the Dragons and Hu Tao to explain exactly why they're voting me. If and when I do flip Town they will be forced to explain themselves.
I've already said I think it's NaS and Shadow. But it seems no one else agrees with me.

...

If this is true then why do your actions not currently align with your words? Your vote is on me, not them.

I've already explained. I'm only voting you because black doesn't think Nas is scum but will have to reevaluate after you likely flip town.

Hu Tao · Fri Mar 08, 2024 5:46 am

Well it's not me and I'm not sure what to tell you

Hu Tao · Fri Mar 08, 2024 5:46 am

In post 1525, Black wrote: VOTE: Hu Tao

e-1

You're being fooled at the moment. I am not scum

Hu Tao · Fri Mar 08, 2024 10:31 am

In post 1536, NotAScum wrote:
In post 1535, Hu Tao wrote: You're being fooled at the moment. I am not scum
Do you think Black is scum? What do you think of Black's interaction with gob?

No I think black is town

Hu Tao · Mon Mar 11, 2024 1:26 pm

Naur

thanks for modding!!

Hu Tao · Mon Mar 11, 2024 1:46 pm

Yeah I thought it was a tracker

Hu Tao · Tue Mar 12, 2024 2:24 pm

In post 1660, Ausuka wrote: also, if people are willing to give feedback; was the flavour on the vote counts good to have? Like, did anyone read it, or would it have been better to just have slightly quicker vote counts? This is something I was experimenting with in this game. My instinct is to say people didn't read it and it might be more of an unnecessary distraction in normals, but idk how accurate that is.

I think posting a picture and the name would be better. Because I agree people likely didn't read the description but the birds were adorable