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That's funny. The person I stole it from was also scum.-
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Your logic is infallible.-
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I am also V/LA until Monday.-
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VOTE: Political Clout-
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Wagons are a valuable tool for hunting scum.In post 74, Random Nurse wrote: So, what, you're wanting some wagons to develop?
Sounds a bit suss to me.
yessiree seems town to me.-
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Why are there black things on our plate now?In post 152, Random Nurse wrote: I'm still fixated on this plate of food it pisses me off.-
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I think Dave and Straightflush are both probably town.-
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I'm curious how my observation of the flavor of this game has anything to do with your read on me.In post 174, Political Clout wrote:
I'm feeling more confident on my read here.In post 173, Brian Skies wrote:
Why are there black things on our plate now?In post 152, Random Nurse wrote: I'm still fixated on this plate of food it pisses me off.-
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Sure, I see myself more as an analyzer than a scum hunter.-
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Generate more alignment indicative content.-
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I'm not really convinced your vote on me is anything other than OMGUS.-
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I voted you because unlike what smileydude things, I do not think posts like 45 and 50 are indicators of town behavior. In fact, those posts are pro-scum as you're blatantly rolefishing. And you're covering it up by a thin veil of "oh don't mind me, I'm just scum, JK, teehee."
Read my post again. I never said I don't scumhunt. Generating content isn't my forte. I'm the type that will reread the game several times at different angles.
As far as me not having much to say, it's because the game has been terribly droll so far. And the best tool for early content and scumhunting, which is wagon analysis, was argued as scummy by another player.-
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Yes, I was also trying to make a wagon.
On someone I thought was potentially scum.
The existence of one does not invalidate the other.-
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True story. People can always ask why a vote was cast.In post 187, Political Clout wrote: We can never know if that's true since you never said why you were voting me when you voted me.-
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You should consider a job at narration.In post 190, Political Clout wrote:In post 180, Brian Skies wrote: Sure, I see myself more as an analyzer than a scum hunter.
You try to appease me here
It doesn't workIn post 181, Political Clout wrote:
I eagerly await your analyzer skills then.In post 180, Brian Skies wrote: Sure, I see myself more as an analyzer than a scum hunter.
You become aggressiveIn post 182, Brian Skies wrote: Generate more alignment indicative content.
Then go for the PC did omgus for the discredit.-
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What makes you think that was antagonistic?-
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Use your imagination.-
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I'm not even angry.
Sounds more like PC upset after trying to pick a target that seemed like LHF, only to find nothing they have sticks.-
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You're the one that keeps trying to push baseless arguments.-
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Sarcasm/antagonism.In post 181, Political Clout wrote:
I eagerly await your analyzer skills then.In post 180, Brian Skies wrote: Sure, I see myself more as an analyzer than a scum hunter.
Attempt to handwave reasoning to scumread you.In post 187, Political Clout wrote:
We can never know if that's true since you never said why you were voting me when you voted me. Dave said why a while later it can only be inferred why you decided to vote me.In post 185, Brian Skies wrote: I voted you because unlike what smileydude things, I do not think posts like 45 and 50 are indicators of town behavior. In fact, those posts are pro-scum as you're blatantly rolefishing. And you're covering it up by a thin veil of "oh don't mind me, I'm just scum, JK, teehee."
Read my post again. I never said I don't scumhunt. Generating content isn't my forte. I'm the type that will reread the game several times at different angles.
As far as me not having much to say, it's because the game has been terribly droll so far. And the best tool for early content and scumhunting, which is wagon analysis, was argued as scummy by another player.
Attempt to narrate play to seem like you have the high ground in the argument.In post 190, Political Clout wrote:In post 180, Brian Skies wrote: Sure, I see myself more as an analyzer than a scum hunter.
You try to appease me here
It doesn't workIn post 181, Political Clout wrote:
I eagerly await your analyzer skills then.In post 180, Brian Skies wrote: Sure, I see myself more as an analyzer than a scum hunter.
You become aggressiveIn post 182, Brian Skies wrote: Generate more alignment indicative content.
Then go for the PC did omgus for the discredit.
I don't even know the point of this post. We both know what we're talking about, so why do I have to spell it out?In post 193, Political Clout wrote:
Okay. Weird that you never say PC and scum in the same sentence until now.In post 189, Brian Skies wrote: Yes, I was also trying to make a wagon.
On someone I thought was potentially scum.
The existence of one does not invalidate the other.
Upset at running into a deadend?In post 202, Political Clout wrote:
Yeah this is just scum angry at being caught so soon.In post 201, Brian Skies wrote: Use your imagination.-
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Brian Skies Survivor
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Wow, narrating is fun.-
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You still haven't addressed the blatant rolefishing.-
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I feel as though those posts are pretty obviously rolefishing and that I shouldn't have to point them out. Like I said before, people are free to question votes.In post 213, SmileyDude1 wrote: Some questions for you Brian
If you thought PC's early posts were indicative of scum rolefishing, why did they only come up here instead of when you originally voted them. At what point would you say you reached that conclusion?In post 185, Brian Skies wrote: I voted you because unlike what smileydude things, I do not think posts like 45 and 50 are indicators of town behavior. In fact, those posts are pro-scum as you're blatantly rolefishing. And you're covering it up by a thin veil of "oh don't mind me, I'm just scum, JK, teehee."
Read my post again. I never said I don't scumhunt. Generating content isn't my forte. I'm the type that will reread the game several times at different angles.
As far as me not having much to say, it's because the game has been terribly droll so far. And the best tool for early content and scumhunting, which is wagon analysis, was argued as scummy by another player.
Nobody really joined the PC wagon, so I mostly assumed people were fine with those posts (especially you considering you said you liked those posts).
This was directed more towards the town collective than PC specifically.In post 213, SmileyDude1 wrote:
Also, why say this if you already had reason to believe in scum!PC due to them rolefishing?In post 182, Brian Skies wrote: Generate more alignment indicative content.-
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How so?In post 216, StraightFlush wrote: You're all over the place right now, your response to Smiley seems to confirm that you're making up reasons to hound PC as you go along.-
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You don't need to speed read. It's only been 9 pages.-
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What are you even talking about the rolefishing stuff 'only coming up now'? It's been two days and only 9 pages into the game. To say something from the early game is suddenly 'whoa, that's from so long ago, why is it suddenly a concern' is preposterous.In post 220, StraightFlush wrote:
A lot of your responses to PC's individual comments have been needlessly antagonistic, especially in the last page and a half, and it feeds into my earlier concern about worst-faith readings of each other. Smiley brings up a good point about it being weird that the rolefishing stuff is only just coming up now, and the "analyzer" business you discussed was not at all consistent with your earlier posting in the thread, making it seem like something you made up on the spot to deflect PC's criticism. You also say that nobody really jumped on the PC wagon so you didn't push it, but multiple people besides you/PC voted him around that time so I certainly don't buy that.In post 217, Brian Skies wrote:
How so?In post 216, StraightFlush wrote: You're all over the place right now, your response to Smiley seems to confirm that you're making up reasons to hound PC as you go along.
In general you come off as someone who isn't properly showing their thought processes, and you play it off by suggesting we should all just know what you're thinking. That's not a super healthy dynamic to bring to the thread, and it feels anti-town.
The people who jumped on the wagon were Dave and yessiree. I was hoping they saw the same thing I did, but neither of them voted for the same reason I did.And no one jumped on after me.By people jumping onto the wagon, I mean for the rolefishing. Which is what we were talking about. And we even had people say they liked the 'rolefishing' posts with no real rebuttal, which, once again, makes me think people were mostly okay with those posts.
I didn't say you should all know what I'm thinking. I even said people can ask. But there hasn't been much for me to comment on, because I don't find a lot of the discussion or what's happened alignment indicative.
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Then what is your point about it being brought up now rather than later? Could it have been brought up earlier? Perhaps. But I was on V/LA (still am actually) and no one else seemed interested in the topic otherwise we would have had a discussion there already (see smiley for having brought up the topic before me).In post 223, StraightFlush wrote: I'm not saying "woah, that's from so long ago" about anything, that's disingenuous. The point is that it should've been discussed earlier instead of getting dredged up during a separate spat. Am I used to faster games where D1 would be done by now? Yes. Is that really coming into play here? No.
That's a silly perspective to have about the wagon. People can be on the same wagon with different reasons for it. Just because you were the last one aboard before it fizzled out doesn't mean it was a non-starter.
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By worst-faith I mean that if I put myself in your shoes whilst talking with PC, I would probably be less standoffish, regardless of how suspicious I'd be about PC's thread behavior. I would have to make a conscious effort to react the way you reacted to his retorts, which makes me read it as contrived and anti-town.
I never called the wagon a non-starter.
Okay. Put yourself in my shoes then. Tell me how you would've handled his continuous attempts at attempted to paint me as scummy until something sticks.-
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Let's say this were the case. Why hide crumbs in a rolefish?
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Also, why crumb hider at all?-
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Okay, why claim hider on page 2?-
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I don't like to be one to tell others how to play their roles. But in my mind, hiders are supposed to crumb targets so that if they die, we can go back and figure out their trail of targets. Not expose themselves to the scumteam so that when the hider targets town, scum get a two-for-one special.-
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Is weak variation not the normal version of hider?-
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I believe the mod just called me uncultured for being unable to identify pepper.In post 241, Gypyx wrote:-
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I find it interesting all of the people that are voting me are people I don't know. All the people that have experience with me aren't voting me.
There's not really anything I can glean from this alignment-wise. It's just an observation I wanted to point out.-
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Also, Titus, this is my second game back if that makes a difference for you.-
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Okay, you'd be in the pile of people that don't know me anyway. So I don't really see how meta would help you to begin with. Not that it matters.-
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I actually agree with that.-
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Nope. They're all not voting me for ??? reasons. And I just thought it was interesting. I didn't think they'd all be off my wagon. Although Titus seems like the only reason she isn't voting me is because she thinks it's my first game back.-
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Don't knock it till you try it.In post 378, StraightFlush wrote: Ah yes, because me saying "i am town" over and over again would be so useful for convincing people that I'm town-
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I'm actually keeping up with the game. Just not a lot of stuff that interests me.In post 387, Political Clout wrote: Brian went back into hiding after coming out of vla to thunderdome with me.
Except the part about you being the scum counterwagon. Which if true, then scum have decided they'd rather let me live, and I'm not sure how I feel about that.-
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I feel like I missed this rule of thumb.In post 388, Political Clout wrote: they hard town read brian not from meta but from what I perceive as a rule of thumb on what scum might do I don't buy it.-
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The PC wagon is literally all the people I know.
I'm dying right now.-
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Is it lack of self awareness or lack of something else entirely? Because the E-2 situation isn't anything new since the last time I checked in.In post 394, StraightFlush wrote: You say this after being party to the single biggest confrontation of the game so far, and while you're two votes away from hammer. The lack of self-awareness here is astounding.-
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Random Nurse not taking PC bait last time he was around makes me lean town on him.-
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I'm going to be honest, I don't know why the people who are voting PC are voting him over me. Which makes things difficult to evaluate.
If we want to believe PC crumbed (instead of rolefished), then he should be the less desirable elimination choice. I do know Titus doesn't really believe the crumbs though.-
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I think smiley, blackstar, and greeting could all be town. kayjay as well, but she's still fairly up in the air.-
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My scum game is actually not that bad. I just never roll it.-
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What's the connection between these two?In post 417, Hu Tao wrote: Straightflush/yessireee prob has at least 1 scum-
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It's mostly the rolefishing and the way they handled our 1v1.In our engagement, it seemed as though they were just trying to paint a target red rather than actual sorting.In post 432, SmileyDude1 wrote: Brian, can I have you go deeper into your thoughts on PC. Was wondering what you were seeing there besides the rolefishing?-
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Come now, we all know I'm the open-wolf here.-
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I could be wrong, but I'd say the Random Nurse wagon has had the most resistance.-
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I still think Greeting is town, so I won't be joining that wagon.-
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I feel better about straightflush today.-
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I think in a town PC world, scum may have targeted smiley thinking PC would hide there.-
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I acknowledge the poor hammer from yessiree, but am not convinced this makes him scum.-
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It surprised me as well.In post 619, KayJayQueue wrote: Brian did WORK climbing that reads list!-
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I don't really trust Titus that much and don't think she's done anything that couldn't be faked.-
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I feel like I may sheep someone today. I'm having trouble seeing people as scummy.
Also, my posting will be limited the next two days.-
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