Open 913 - This Game Started as an April Fools' Joke - Day 4

[Elements]

I can't vote myself as my first post this game so idk

I was thinking we could use the hurt ttags to signify to each other who we're considering voting in the day phase

so HURT: Elements

[Elements]

dang it's the night and we're talking this is crazy

Can't believe you beat me to it

[Elements]

also Elements, why not just use a vote tag, lol

i don't think it's gonna break anything

Because I saw "votes are private" and didn't thunk of that?

[Elements]

oof

that's gonna make accountability harder to track for sure

Can't we just all claim who we voted for and catch the liars that way?

Like if it takes 7 to fade someone and we don't have 7 people claiming to have voted for them then we know someone not voting for them is lying

It's whoever has the most at the end of the day, doesn't have to be majority

[Elements]

why

why not?

Because I'm town duh

Pretty convincing argument you got there

[Elements]

I think he might have been tipped off by 33

[Elements]

why is Elements making excuses for awesomeming?

Coz we're red team buddies

[Elements]

Because its not majority needed either I imagine it could easily be smaller wagons

[Elements]

Is it ever worth declaring night actions?
Like if we split into groups of three and said "we're targeting this player"
Or we could just discuss who particular roles could target?
But I guess that doesn't work becasue we can have multiple of the same roll so that'd lose us equity
I've changed my mind, it's a bad idea

[Elements]

Also if votes did exist right now I'd prolly chuck one on El, it's a hella nitpick but 87 reads as busywork for busywork's sake.

El who would you be voting right now?

Probably you accompanied with a "rude' after you vote me

[Elements]

I don't rlly know what to do without voting

[Elements]

I don't rlly know what to do without voting

Yea that's why I'm trying to start a push on you. Get some action going ykno

This is the sort of baseless accusaiton I'd expect from Red!Daisy
She's trying to stir things up for the soul purpose of causing chaos so she can manipulate the way the pieces fall back into place. I've seen her do it countless times in irl games. She's known in our mafia group as "Daisy the chaos gremlin"
If you don't believe me you can look and any of Daisy's red games and you'll see exactly that happening

[Elements]

Bloop

[Elements]

you once told me that was your favorite mafia acronym
and I have given you the oppertunity to use it
I hope you appeciate the sacrifice I've made for you

[Elements]

If I'm a vig, I'm shooting Moros
Goodnight

[Elements]

Daisy are you trying already?

[Elements]

If I'm a vig, I'm shooting Moros
Goodnight

good idea.

this feels like towny reaction

Why?

[Elements]

Daisy is scummy coz she hasn't town told yet

[Elements]

Daisy is scummy coz she hasn't town told yet

I feel like Daisy has been towny with trying to get the ball rolling on this game

Back during the pandemic one of Daisy's biggest red tells was trying day one so whenever she tries day one I point it out

[Elements]

okay I kind of want to retract the scumread because this gimmick is pretty funny lol

It is?
I'm just finding it confusing

[Elements]

wow, cool catchup, Ranger!!! i feel so enlightened now!

You seem to know Ranger quite well
Did any if that mean anything?

[Elements]

okay I kind of want to retract the scumread because this gimmick is pretty funny lol

It is?
I'm just finding it confusing

She's just parody-ing how Ranger does her catch ups. I don't think the actual ordering is serious unless you believe Titus went from top town to top scum without posting at all

I don't think I've played with Ranger before so thats the key information I was missing

[Elements]

Daisy is probably just town

[Elements]

Daisy is probably just town

oh yea what changed with your read on me?

Changed from when?

[Elements]

Bloop

[Elements]

Daisy is scummy coz she hasn't town told yet

Daisy is scummy coz she hasn't town told yet

I feel like Daisy has been towny with trying to get the ball rolling on this game

Back during the pandemic one of Daisy's biggest red tells was trying day one so whenever she tries day one I point it out

changed from these ^^

You might have to sit down for this one Daisy, but those were in fact not real reads

[Elements]

Daisy is scummy coz she hasn't town told yet

Daisy is scummy coz she hasn't town told yet

I feel like Daisy has been towny with trying to get the ball rolling on this game

Back during the pandemic one of Daisy's biggest red tells was trying day one so whenever she tries day one I point it out

changed from these ^^

You might have to sit down for this one Daisy, but those were in fact not real reads

which reads? the scumreads? all of them? I don't understand what you think about Daisy at this point or if you even have a read at all there

The red reads
Daisy's 2020 tell doesn't hold any weight anymore and I don't think it ever did in a forum setting

[Elements]

If I'm a vig, I'm shooting Moros
Goodnight

good idea.

this feels like towny reaction

Why?

feels pretty relaxed for scum
but now that i think about it, scum might go for a relaxed style too to seem town

I disagree

again it's performative. the response gives the impression of "someone trying to

look

relaxed"

I was thinking the same

[Elements]

Black just saying exactly what I'm thinking

[Elements]

VOTE: Fast night

[Elements]

If anyone has something they want me to focus on specifically let me know.

Imaginality, ming, and moros
They seem the likely votes tomorrow

[Elements]

Can't say I've been particulalrly paying attention to anything that's happend this game, can someone tell me where we're voting?

[Elements]

Can't say I've been particulalrly paying attention to anything that's happend this game, can someone tell me where we're voting?

we're wagoning you

Ah snap, hope there's readable content about me

[Elements]

*Aw

[Elements]

Not this time Daisy!

[Elements]

Moros has been killed. It was a

Vanilla Townie

.

Bit of a waste but we'll cope

[Elements]

VOTE: thomith

[Elements]

I'm fine with a ming or moros fade

Without getting full context yet, no matter how either flip, it sounds like ming flipping may give more information than Moros.

What additional info would it give?

Ming feels like a polarising slot. Polarising slots give information if they flip town or scum, as

usually

scum end up on either side of the arguments in some capacity, or at the very least, usually don't all end up with the exact same stances, which potentially makes the game easier to solve down the line.

VOTE: Black Ranger

What changed between these two?

[Elements]

Can't decide if I tr Cee for good reason or for playstyle reasons

runs around in unlocked thread

hahaha the deadline has passed

anarchy!

[Elements]

Hi everyone! I have something to share with you

I am a cop, and I have a guilty on Cat Scratch Fever

Dope

[Elements]

There's good reason to try to over-hammer in the nights as that will prevent scum from changing the lim target compared to if we end up with wagons of say 7 v 6 and scum switch from who they've promised to vote. Having extra votes on the main wagon will weaken the ability to perform vote count analysis but I think that is pretty borked in this game anyhow.

good point, maybe optimally we all agree to vote whoever had the most votes at the end of the phase

and then scum pretend they counted wrong if anything weird with the flip happened

I'm probably not going to do this, sorry

I'm not even convinced it's the optimal thing to do. If scum change targets to avoid a particular elimination, that's info. And in this hypothetical 7v6 scenario, enough townies would want the 6-vote wagon eliminated anyway so it's not a bad flip

This doesn't feel like svs

[Elements]

black ranger's ISO is a bit comical
It's very very detached from the game and I can't say it's towny
ive stuff to do rn but ill look into it in like aqn hour

i've decided that black ranger's detached gameplay is more scummy than towny
it feels like actively trying to avoid having to do anything

I can see this being a fabricated "progression"

[Elements]

Unfortunately, I cannot

Fair, part of it is timestamp based, but that's real flimsy

[Elements]

Bloop

[Elements]

black ranger's ISO is a bit comical
It's very very detached from the game and I can't say it's towny
ive stuff to do rn but ill look into it in like aqn hour

i've decided that black ranger's detached gameplay is more scummy than towny
it feels like actively trying to avoid having to do anything

I can see this being a fabricated "progression"

Why does it seem fabricated?

Feels like ming had already decided where the read was going to go when the first post was sent

[Elements]

that's massive, wpwp

Other than csf, who would you want to vote atm?

[Elements]

Moros why do you townread ming?

You've defended ming a lot but never really explained why you believe him

Thoughts on this daisy?

[Elements]

Moros why do you townread ming?

You've defended ming a lot but never really explained why you believe him

Thoughts on this daisy?

it's a message

having someone who townreads a buddy elaborate on that to everyone is a nice way to get a proper good defence of them out in the open without doing it yourself.

That so much more neuanced than I was thinking
I just had the basic "why question a tr on your buddy" coz it kinda throws shade on the read
I was also questioning you for "is daisy red reasons" but that's put you back into probs just town territory

[Elements]

This could also be a ploy to out a real cop(s)

Sure but can't multiple cops exist in this set-up?

Yes

[Elements]

Can I suggest we forget/ignore the cop result for the time being (as much as possible)
There were two kills last night so it's possible there will be two again tonight which could result in one of them dead, solving the other.
In the meantime we can discuss who to vote (neither of the two) with them both in the mix to maximise spew
Then if csf is shot we have someone to vote, and if not we can just vote her

[Elements]

Can't believe we missed the bloop

[Elements]

It seems way too early for this to be a worthwhile scum gambit from light_ganski as it'll inevitably be a 1 for 1 if CSF flips town, and way too convenient for CSF to be claiming Doctor. I believe the guilty on CSF.

Given CSF could die tonight by SK/vig we probably want to have a consensus on who we want to vote in a 'CSF flips scum tonight' scenario.

Mindmeld

[Elements]

Lol I was about to post "mindmeld" too

The double!

[Elements]

Oh so if CSF survives the Night, we vote her, but if she doesn't we vote someone else?

Ye, basically

[Elements]

I'm just gunna run through numbers to see if there may have been any reason for a fake Cop guilty don't mind me.

I doubt it, just wanna see.

Is a red rolecop possible?

[Elements]

I'm just gunna run through numbers to see if there may have been any reason for a fake Cop guilty don't mind me.

I doubt it, just wanna see.

Is a red rolecop possible?

No rolecops in this setup.

Was thinking it might make the gambit more favorable if a red rolecop saw a doc to take out with it, but that's null and void

[Elements]

Can vote
Cat Scratch Fever
experience
light_ganski
awesomeming327
halfasleep
Thomith
Doctor Drew

Won't vote tomorrow
OopsieDaisy
imaginality
Black

[Elements]

Bloop

[Elements]

Wait, who did rh9 replace?

[Elements]

Bloop

[Elements]

also for those who do think el & i are scum together we've got a game where we were a scumpair together on-site (it's on my wiki page). i use meta as a shield in that game too but in a much more complex overworked way that made it so i could scumread her slot on the condition that another slot would have to be scum in that world.

Omg Daisy, stop using meta as a defence. Everyone knows that's your red tell!

[Elements]

also for those who do think el & i are scum together we've got a game where we were a scumpair together on-site (it's on my wiki page). i use meta as a shield in that game too but in a much more complex overworked way that made it so i could scumread her slot on the condition that another slot would have to be scum in that world.

Omg Daisy, stop using meta as a defence. Everyone knows that's your red tell!

wowww el are you tryna scum theatre with me again smh

If we were going to theatre we'd need to discuss it in the pt first

[Elements]

also el same question as i asked halfasleep and thomith, any possible teams that you're seeing in the game right now?

As you may have noticed I'm not currently up to date with much of the game
So current thoughts are however I last expressed them probably