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Post #124 (isolation #11) » Tue Mar 26, 2024 11:01 am
Postby Klick »
In post 117, implosion wrote:
I can definitely see where thread seeming-consensus is coming from atm; I can jive with PC town and also worst town to some degree and also with Black being sketchy, but i'm not gonna go as far as scummy right now
What has given you the impression that worst is a consensus townread
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Post #156 (isolation #15) » Tue Mar 26, 2024 8:59 pm
Postby Klick »
I somewhat agree
I felt meh about doing it at the time but wasn't sure what else to do and wanted to do something productive
And then ceejay came up and made himself a much better option
If he was town and this was all he had to say then I would have expected that to be posted in the first place
I think ceejay was forcing out an opinion because he's scum and wanted to take a stance
Instead of being curious town seeing an odd vote and having legitimate thoughts on it
If he was town and this was all he had to say then I would have expected that to be posted in the first place
I think ceejay was forcing out an opinion because he's scum and wanted to take a stance
Instead of being curious town seeing an odd vote and having legitimate thoughts on it
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Post #195 (isolation #23) » Wed Mar 27, 2024 7:15 am
Postby Klick »
I think I might be riding the high from last game somewhat but I also don't think ceejay has done anything to show me an 'air of honesty' like you're saying he has
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Post #272 (isolation #32) » Wed Mar 27, 2024 1:16 pm
Postby Klick »
In post 265, Black wrote:
Klick do you have any thoughts about your short-lived wagon?
Not particularly
Your vote is the interesting one
I think I buy your reasoning as something you would think as town
Although I'm quite confused by your conception of like, how I play? Do you think my reads don't normally have nuance?
In post 265, Black wrote:
Klick do you have any thoughts about your short-lived wagon?
Not particularly
Your vote is the interesting one
I think I buy your reasoning as something you would think as town
Although I'm quite confused by your conception of like, how I play? Do you think my reads don't normally have nuance?
I think it's the combination of nuance + conviction + page 3 that feels scummy to me. Tbh I'm not super familiar with your meta tells to know if this combination is normal for you
It's 5am so I'm not going to search for them, but it's fairly common for me to be confident in reads early on
The difference is that usually they're townreads
I can remember two games off the top of my head that I had an early confident scumread in
On a more general level, I think ideas in Mafia are either accurate or inaccurate
I think this one is the former
In post 352, the worst wrote:
I think there's at least one scum and probably two in [nm, implo, cjv] and maybe that's in reverse order? I'm also probably like, incorrect, because this game has a number of skilled scum players in it
I find it kind of astonishing that you'd write this sentence honestly. Like the hedging sure but like there's absolutely no way you actually have any confidence that is anywhere significantly above random in that proposition. Do you just say random shit as town? Do you genuinely think that the lurkers in this game are significantly >rand to be scum? Because I at least have seen very little from the thread as a whole that makes me feel like it's lots of townies waiting for the lurker scum to show up (granted I have access to the info that I'm town but still)
I struggle with this. It feels like a natural conclusion for 'scum is probably concentrated in the lurkers' to follow from 'I have townreads on several active players'
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Post #415 (isolation #43) » Thu Mar 28, 2024 8:38 pm
Postby Klick »
In post 396, the worst wrote:tbf the entire basis of the deepwolf meme is that dann's scumrange is quite hard to define and I'd argue he relatively rarely leaves it especially on day one
I don't think someone needs to leave their scumrange to be leaned town on and I think black is the only person I've seen who is like, outright hard townreading dann atm
something something paranoia something
I moderately townread Dann
I think Dann has definable goals as scum, it's just at a level deeper than most are willing to go
If Dann is scum then I think he's actually limiting himself in this game by mostly expressing things that look like direct opinions
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Post #417 (isolation #45) » Thu Mar 28, 2024 8:45 pm
Postby Klick »
In post 403, the worst wrote:
if I'm a wolf I ain't that deep I'm moreso referring to his core trait this game being refusal to accept any form of status quo
This is exactly how I would describe his play in our last game together, where he was scum and both him and his partner were locked out fairly early
I don't think my reads are very meaningfully different from this atm; implosion has moved down to leaning scum, Bingle is leaning town, if the scumteam isn't {ceejay, implosion} then I think {N_M, Black, duck} are the most reasonable holes in my reads atm
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Post #558 (isolation #54) » Sat Mar 30, 2024 8:25 pm
Postby Klick »
In post 544, the worst wrote:
I'm surprised at the pace at which he's working through this game (I guess this has gotten better but only after it was called out, and this game is a bit slow paced in general) and I think his read on me felt very forced
I've mentioned like multiple times that I'm wary this is pretty introspective and would love someone else with a different opinion to talk through it
You've asked for different opinions but I generally agree with what you're saying
More specifically, I feel like implosion's engagement and content has lined up with what he feels he needs to do to survive
Implosion has explained this as him feeling motivated by pressure, but I'm unconvinced that that isn't cover for posting in a conveniently-survivalistic way based on the flow of the thread
It feels very similar to the Coalition game we played from what I can remember, and on my agenda when I'm not busy with Easter stuff today is to go back and properly compare his play there to what I'm feeling here
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Post #562 (isolation #55) » Sat Mar 30, 2024 9:13 pm
Postby Klick »
I don't really dispute any of that but it feels like a tangent to the main thing I'm concerned about which is that you're using your playstyle (which I do definitely believe is influenced by several factors) as a survival method here in a way that's scum-indicative
I think what you're doing lines up surprisingly well with what you need to do
And that matches how I believe you operate as scum, based on observation and also based on what you've said about your own scum game
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Post #606 (isolation #58) » Sun Mar 31, 2024 1:24 pm
Postby Klick »
Been a rough day, tomorrow's going to be busier.
tl;dr regarding ceejay: I'm confused as to what he's accomplishing atm if he's scum
His last series of posts does him no favors in terms of survivability in the current gamestate
But I can also relate with the general vibe of 'there's a big blob of people in this game that I don't have a very good read on'
It feels similar to where my mind is at currently
I'm also quite concerned that the thread as a whole bar Black is basically fine with ceejay going over
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Post #607 (isolation #59) » Sun Mar 31, 2024 1:29 pm
Postby Klick »
I want to reevaluate under the assumption that ceejay is town and see what that implies about the attitudes towards his wagon
I've really not got the energy for it atm though