Mini Normal 2334: trees (Day 5)

[Hu Tao]

I personally don't think klick's catchup is bad.

[Hu Tao]

I forgot about action Dan. I don't Town read them, but I like their posts so I wouldn't go there today

[Hu Tao]

Last 2 scum feels like it's in groyvle, elements, Thom.

Why do you think it's between us?

Cause I think the others are more towny

[Hu Tao]

I'm happy to talk to anyone who is interested in talking to me instead of about or around me

This is what I've noticed this player list does. They just talk about someone and then run them up

[Hu Tao]

This feels like a desperate Klick trying to save the slot by trying to fabricate a case against one of the less-strongly townread players (Thomith) and also try to take suspicion off of Hu Tao as much as possible.

Hu Tao's OMGUS-esque vote against Grovyle supports my theory.

It's so sad that you're likely town

[Hu Tao]

Ftr I believe klick would take that stance on me as town

[Hu Tao]

He wouldn't come up with it

[Hu Tao]

I'm scum. Remember? Why do you care so much? Or is this for more of your scum soliloquy

[Hu Tao]

I'm happy to talk to anyone who is interested in talking to me instead of about or around me

This is what I've noticed this player list does. They just talk about someone and then run them up

I'm scum. Remember? Why do you care so much? Or is this for more of your scum soliloquy

Grovyle is trying to question you rather than just run you up, and you immediately shut them down?

Cause I think they are scum

[Hu Tao]

Klick doesn't give me the scum vibe.

[Hu Tao]

I'm happy to talk to anyone who is interested in talking to me instead of about or around me

This is what I've noticed this player list does. They just talk about someone and then run them up

I'm scum. Remember? Why do you care so much? Or is this for more of your scum soliloquy

Grovyle is trying to question you rather than just run you up, and you immediately shut them down?

Cause I think they are scum

Is that not extremely hypocritical?

No cause I'm town

[Hu Tao]

Thom can you link a scum game of yours

[Hu Tao]

If you still think it will be useful I will

Nevermind

[Hu Tao]

I find elements curious.

4 hours for letting player claim?
Ummmm. I mean yeah, then said player rushed to claim tracker.


It feels staged?

I agree. Elements could be scum

[Hu Tao]

I'd like to get groyvle eliminated but seems I'm the only one who scumreads them. I'm ok with a Thom or Elements wagon. Anyone?

[Hu Tao]

I'd like to get groyvle eliminated but seems I'm the only one who scumreads them. I'm ok with a Thom or Elements wagon. Anyone?

This divide between those who trust Klick and those who don't is interesting.

Hu, are you scum reading Groggy for any reason besides them voting Klick?

Who else besides me trusts klick?

No. I scum read them because they feel forced in their way of articulating. Doesn't seem natural.

[Hu Tao]

I'd like to get groyvle eliminated but seems I'm the only one who scumreads them. I'm ok with a Thom or Elements wagon. Anyone?

This divide between those who trust Klick and those who don't is interesting.

Hu, are you scum reading Groggy for any reason besides them voting Klick?

Who else besides me trusts klick?

No. I scum read them because they feel forced in their way of articulating. Doesn't seem natural.

Hmm, good point, it is just you. In my mind there were others when thinking about it.

Also, that sounds like a fake scum read you have there.......you gotta give an example.

VOTE: Hu

This progression is terrible. The two ways I read people are giving town on one side and scum on the other. Idk which to listen to

[Hu Tao]

VOTE: Black

I think she's town

[Hu Tao]

I think her positioning irt this situation is quite poor
Is she town for Black reasons or KJQ reasons?

For Black reasons. Just meta

[Hu Tao]

If I were a vigilante. I'd shoot in Elements/thom/grovyle/goofball

Hypothetically speaking of course

[Hu Tao]

I'd like to get groyvle eliminated but seems I'm the only one who scumreads them. I'm ok with a Thom or Elements wagon. Anyone?

I can help with Grovyle!

I'd like to get groyvle eliminated but seems I'm the only one who scumreads them. I'm ok with a Thom or Elements wagon. Anyone?

no

?

[Hu Tao]

VOTE: Elements

I think this is the most viable

[Hu Tao]

VOTE: Elements

I think this is the most viable

Why am I red team?

Process of elimination. And you are similar to when we played a game and you were scum

[Hu Tao]

VOTE: Elements

I think this is the most viable

ill give u 1 thing

no matter what klick flips, i will give u the benefit of the doubt next day if i'm around. if klick is mafia? game is ez wrap it up youre never making endgame nevermind surviving it if you are mafia - if klick is town? its worth respecting how he felt about your slot to some extent.

I'm no speedrunner and a believer that mafia is a race of information - and letting you just die because "well its the game solved" is poor planning for contingencies where it isn't. But one thing i want you to do is to not just toss stuff like this out or ignore people's cases on others without addressing them - especially when many are accepting those cases as well reasoned.

also this is a trap to make u not kill me as mafia if u are mafia so take that as u will :3

Please stop with the scummy posts. It's too much for me to take. if you're naturally this scummy as town that's unfortunate for you, but this just bleeds scum to me

[Hu Tao]

If I were a vigilante. I'd shoot in Elements/thom/grovyle/goofball

Hypothetically speaking of course

What an interesting thought.

Is your team afraid of taking an arrow from the vig?

Yes. We are literally shaking and crying right now.

[Hu Tao]

If I were a vigilante. I'd shoot in Elements/thom/grovyle/goofball

Hypothetically speaking of course

What an interesting thought.

Is your team afraid of taking an arrow from the vig?

Yes. We are literally shaking and crying right now.

This interaction feels like a weird bus.

Okay. Then vote goofball

[Hu Tao]

VOTE: Elements

I think this is the most viable

Why am I red team?

Process of elimination. And you are similar to when we played a game and you were scum

Which game?

The werewolf one

[Hu Tao]

Idk just vibes. In your town game you were doing less too

[Hu Tao]

Hu while you're explaining reads would you mind explaining what your meta read on me is

No. Cause then you'll change it and I won't be able to read you in the future

[Hu Tao]

That's because you haven't attempted to put yourself into the shoes of someone who read 70 pages of RationalMadman and gave thoughts only to be told they were flat not believable without attempts at engagement

I feel this

[Hu Tao]

Hu while you're explaining reads would you mind explaining what your meta read on me is

No. Cause then you'll change it and I won't be able to read you in the future

If you're town then I would like to find you as town and I'm not going to be able to do that when I think you have a fake read on me

Why did you never question this in previous games when I said this

[Hu Tao]

If I'm remembering correctly you typically provide some kind of reasoning when you're calling me town. This whole game you've just been repeating "Black is town" anytime someone even raises an eyebrow at me. It feels way more informed and pockety than anything I'm used to seeing from you

To expand on this I find it noteworthy that this shift happened immediately after I replaced into the game. You went from scumreading my predecessor to giving me a completely blank slate to having an unwavering townread on me. It feels like a deliberate tactic you decided to use on me

To be fair, I did the same thing to Klick. Why not bring that up?

[Hu Tao]

I'm not sure what you're trying to say. That just feels like a deflection post

I literally wanted snivy day 1 and 2. And switched when Klick came

[Hu Tao]

I'm not sure what you're trying to say. That just feels like a deflection post

I definitely agree here, Hu kinda seems transparently scummy here

I also feel like Hu is capable of overly protecting a buddy like she is doing with Klick

She is no the bussing type imo

It's possible you're just scum cause what she said doesn't match what you agreed with.

[Hu Tao]

VOTE: Dr Nick

[Hu Tao]

This may be a game where my reads are terrible and I'm 0/3 this game

[Hu Tao]

Idk anymore

[Hu Tao]

VOTE: Elements

I'll actually stick on elements though.

[Hu Tao]

I'm not sure what you're trying to say. That just feels like a deflection post

I literally wanted snivy day 1 and 2. And switched when Klick came

Why are you pointing this out though?

Because you said that I scumread Kay and switched when you came in. But I did the same thing with Klick not just you.

[Hu Tao]

Never mind then. I thought your point was that it was specifically for me to get you to town read me.

[Hu Tao]

If people want to vote elsewhere I'll join. But I think I'm probably a sensible vote for game health with a day left and considering everyone's dispositions

Vote elements

[Hu Tao]

I think knowledge that I'm town makes reading back on today's interactions a potentially fruitful experience for those who are convinced this slot is scum
As opposed to them carrying that prejudice through the next day or two

I think hu is more likely to flip red than you

She's setting up for tomorrow

[Hu Tao]

Goofball that's more effort than I thought you'd put in

[Hu Tao]

Thom would you vote elements?

[Hu Tao]

I'm rereading elements again and again coming to a town conclusion. I'm not sure I'm the best person to read elements though as foe something like 3 games in a row I've called her town when she was scum. Still think she's town here.

If a random wagon came up I'd have more preferred Dr nick just because 1929 was truly a crap post.

Doesn't matter. Please do the right thing and hammer klick

What the fuck? What is the issue with 1929?

VOTE: Klick

I'm more convinced this is scum btw.

[Hu Tao]

I'm rereading elements again and again coming to a town conclusion. I'm not sure I'm the best person to read elements though as foe something like 3 games in a row I've called her town when she was scum. Still think she's town here.

If a random wagon came up I'd have more preferred Dr nick just because 1929 was truly a crap post.

Doesn't matter. Please do the right thing and hammer klick

What the fuck? What is the issue with 1929?

VOTE: Klick

This seems like an overreaction lol

Agreed. It was intentionally to make it look like he hammered out of anger but it was so fake.

[Hu Tao]

I think it's elements and Dr nick.

[Hu Tao]

I'm a VT.

I trust most of you to take this as an opportunity to significantly reevaluate. Don't get cocky, you don't have the answers until they're confirmed. This group needs a solid foundation for townreads.

I'm hoping the interactions around my wagon are decently telling

I don't buy this, had plenty of time to claim, but then posts right when they are hammered

Pre Edit: My anger is with Dan saying my post was crap

I already declared intent awhile ago

You don't buy their claim AFTER there was a hammer. LMFAO

[Hu Tao]

I forgot Dan was saltycactus. They could also be scum.

If I had to say, scum are in Dr Nick, Elements, Groyvle, ActionDan.

[Hu Tao]

Well obvious town. Glad he was just VT though.

[Hu Tao]

Elements
Gibdo
Black

choose one

VOTE: Elements

[Hu Tao]

I forgot Dan was saltycactus. They could also be scum.

If I had to say, scum are in Dr Nick, Elements, Groyvle, ActionDan.

Still think this is accurate

[Hu Tao]

If I were a vigilante. I'd shoot in Elements/thom/grovyle/goofball

Hypothetically speaking of course

Why did you not include Nick in this

Why are you looking at an old reads list and not the one I posted right before the end of the day?

[Hu Tao]

Maybe it's just Hu/Nick

They've been scumreading each other but neither seems to be willing to fully commit to a vote on the other

Also Hu had that weird read on Nick that was him doing scummy stuff but having a townie tone or something. I can't find it I'm on mobile

What???

[Hu Tao]

Is black just scum and I was wrong? Idk. I need to think things over

[Hu Tao]

Have the last 2 eliminated not changed your view and think I could be town

[Hu Tao]

Anyway. If you want to lead a wagon on nick. I'm all for it. I'd definitely help with that

[Hu Tao]

I'd like to get groyvle eliminated but seems I'm the only one who scumreads them. I'm ok with a Thom or Elements wagon. Anyone?

This divide between those who trust Klick and those who don't is interesting.

Hu, are you scum reading Groggy for any reason besides them voting Klick?

Who else besides me trusts klick?

No. I scum read them because they feel forced in their way of articulating. Doesn't seem natural.

Hmm, good point, it is just you. In my mind there were others when thinking about it.

Also, that sounds like a fake scum read you have there.......you gotta give an example.

VOTE: Hu

This progression is terrible. The two ways I read people are giving town on one side and scum on the other. Idk which to listen to

This should answer it. And then he got more scummy end of day

[Hu Tao]

VOTE: Dr nick

[Hu Tao]

VOTE: Hu Tao

Why don't you want to vote Dr nick if you think it's both of us?

[Hu Tao]

I feel like you're going to ignore 2029 so I would appreciate if you could answer that when you get the chance

I already explained in that quote that I also Town read nick at the time. But there were things I didn't like

[Hu Tao]

VOTE: Elements

[Hu Tao]

This game is making me feel like I'm crazy. no one is seeing the game as I am

[Hu Tao]

She's still being her town self. I just need her to trust me every once on awhile

[Hu Tao]

Why not

[Hu Tao]

Why not

Compelling rebuttal

Why are you town?

Why not?

[Hu Tao]

VOTE: Elements

Still just vibes?
VOTE: hu

I already explained you're different than the town game and similar to the scum game

[Hu Tao]

I can't find the game. But black was in it too. She was n1'd I think though.

[Hu Tao]

The game i fake claimed doctor

[Hu Tao]

Can we please vote Dr nick today. Does anyone actually Town read him? His end of day yesterday was very forced as well.

[Hu Tao]

VOTE: Hu Tao

Get rekt, scum!!!!!

You didn't do your usual entrance

[Hu Tao]

I'm pretty sure Hu is at e-1

You're sus of nick. Let's vote nick

[Hu Tao]

I kinda think this game is doomed unfortunately. Cause groyvle feels like scum to me and I don't see him ever getting eliminated

[Hu Tao]

It kinda feels like one of the people soft defending me now is seeting up for tomorrow. Which I think is grov

[Hu Tao]

I'm pretty sure Hu is at e-1

Oh buddy

And accidental lolHammer while repping in would have been a sight to see

Pre Edit: If you think Groyvle is scum, what do you make of there push on me?

Idk. I don't usually do team stuff. Just independent scumminess

[Hu Tao]

I'm pretty sure Hu is at e-1

Enchant?

im going to interpret this as a townslip

Sus post. Unless you don't know who enchant is

[Hu Tao]

I'm an indecisive doctor

[Hu Tao]

He's implying he thinks that element thinks enchant is still alive. But I think it was just saying someone should quick hammer since enchant does that

[Hu Tao]

He's implying he thinks that element thinks enchant is still alive. But I think it was just saying someone should quick hammer since enchant does that

how is it sus part 2

Sounds like you're trying to give someone a free tr. Could be cause I scumread you both though. And if you're scum together I could see it being a play

[Hu Tao]

He's implying he thinks that element thinks enchant is still alive. But I think it was just saying someone should quick hammer since enchant does that

how is it sus part 2

Sounds like you're trying to give someone a free tr. Could be cause I scumread you both though. And if you're scum together I could see it being a play

lack of awareness of the nightkill is a fairly good reason that someone would be town + i dont mind taking mild shortcuts when i still have time to reevaluate. plus it gives me reactions like this.

did you soft your role at any point?

I never soft

[Hu Tao]

Shocking.

[Hu Tao]

My role doesn't change how i approach a game

[Hu Tao]

Anyway. Assuming I'm eliminated. I still think groyv/Dr nick. Outside chance of elements. But this game I'm not confident in my reads unfortunately.

[Hu Tao]

My role doesn't change how i approach a game

thats not how mafia works

It should if you don't want to be meta read for being town or scum.

[Hu Tao]

@Black. Once I flip town, I'm gonna need you to carry this game. Since I think you're town and know you are able to. I would look into your grov town read. Something just gives me bad vibes. Especially his 180 after my claim but before the claim he said he thinks I am town. Scum obvious realize they need to get rid of the remaining power roles to cruise through the game, since no strong power roles have been eliminated yet. I wouldn't buy his excuse tomorrow.

[Hu Tao]

No one asked for my actions. But feel free to hammer

[Hu Tao]

I'm sure this wagon will be very telling tomorrow

[Hu Tao]

And don't fall for any excuses tomorrow

[Hu Tao]

Groyvle is 100% scum btw on my town flip. Like.i said don't fall for excuses tomorrow

[Hu Tao]

Wait. I think I know who grovyle is

[Hu Tao]

I don't think it changes anything though now that I think about it.

[Hu Tao]

No chance that's flavor leaf

[Hu Tao]

Flavor leaf plays such a distinct style. I've recognized him from an alt before. I miss playing with him though

[Hu Tao]

No one asked for my actions. But feel free to hammer

You should have volunteered.

Your buddy Black unvoted pretty quickly, that's not to your town credit.

VOTE: Hu Tao

Groyvle is 100% scum btw on my town flip. Like.i said don't fall for excuses tomorrow

UNVOTE:

LMFAO

[Hu Tao]

Honestly I am glad I am free from this game. This might be my worst performance. Idk who is scum. But I'll stick to my last guess

[Hu Tao]

Like that hammer was scummy. But was it too scummy to be scum. Idk. Town you gotta figure that out

[Hu Tao]

Get ready to buy one