Micro Theme 1105 | A Questionable (quasi-)Normal game, Vol. II [FIN]

[ketchup777]

oh helloooooo
VOTE: experience

an experienced player? scary

[ketchup777]

maybe this time ketchup has rolled mafia

anyways, i'm a probably miller? like, idk, there's some fuckery going on with my role, i will not elaborate

I have not ):

[ketchup777]

maybe this time ketchup has rolled mafia

anyways, i'm a probably miller? like, idk, there's some fuckery going on with my role, i will not elaborate

Whaaa?

Interesting interesting

I wish I had any idea what this meant lol

look at miller on the mafia wiki in roles

In quasi normal 1 we thought the setup was like a million millers but it turned out to just be useless cops

[ketchup777]

UNVOTE: Experience

[ketchup777]

VOTE: Enchant

[ketchup777]

VOTE: Ketchup

fair

VOTE: ketchup

ow

[ketchup777]

so anyone wanna take us out of this slumber or like what’s the idea here

[ketchup777]

tfw we’re one day in and the mod has made more posts than any other player

[ketchup777]

catching up

was this a joke theres literally nothing happening I wish there was something to catch up on

[ketchup777]

Why isn't this game showing in my threads

omg you and enchant in sync

[ketchup777]

Ketchup is so obvious town as town that I think we just wait that out

good plan bestie

I’m town informed there’s a wolf between nick and ketchup

oh ok that was easy, you’ve chosen correctly
VOTE: DrNickRiviera

[ketchup777]

catching up

was this a joke theres literally nothing happening I wish there was something to catch up on

ketching* up

OHHHHHHHHHHH badum tschhhh

[ketchup777]

wait why feel the need to out that jackson if it would come on your flip

[ketchup777]

UNVOTE:

it’s 2am sorry

[ketchup777]

I sleep

[ketchup777]

IT WAS CLEAR JOKE

UNVOTE IMMEDIATELY

You fix the noti problem? Or how you get here so quick

[ketchup777]

IT WAS CLEAR JOKE

UNVOTE IMMEDIATELY

You fix the noti problem? Or how you get here so quick

BECAUSE I KNOW THAT ANY SANE PERSON KNOWING 1VS1 FROM START WILL STATE IT FROM FIRST POST.

that didn’t really answer my question also I disagree

[ketchup777]

However this does buy wolf!jackson two free mislims which is a lot so idk.

or if jackson wolf with nick this could be the hardest bus ever

[ketchup777]

wait why feel the need to out that jackson if it would come on your flip

That isn’t how the informed mod works

ohh I see, i had a mindblank

[ketchup777]

However this does buy wolf!jackson two free mislims which is a lot so idk.

or if jackson wolf with nick this could be the hardest bus ever

I mean, I would assume someone would check Jackson over night in the world of one mislim......but I kinda find it hard to believe that we would be just given one scum here.

I am kinda with Enchant here that isn't true, or is just a Gambit, which I feel like would more likely be from town.

that’s assuming we have a way to even check jackson overnight. cops setup was last time

[ketchup777]

yay

[ketchup777]

blood out of a stone

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Yes i do agree

ketchup acting so cautious around jackson is interesting

i saw elsewhere he's irl busy rn, also he's been in all 3 of my games so far. i wouldnt say ive been cautious tho but idk

[ketchup777]

You're not really catching my meaning here

no, I'm not. do you want to explain?

Jackson's only made 4 posts so far, one of them 1v1ing me and Nick, and, while at first it seemed like Nick was then of course confirmed wolf, I don't think i need to hasten until Jackson both doubles down on the claim and I decide to believe him. note that Jackson's 1v1 pool was between the 2 ;eading wagons at the time, albeit early and one of the wagons was started by Jackson, but still.

[ketchup777]

So what claim is real at this point

i am happy to inform you that I am town
idk about that nick guy tho

[ketchup777]

village*

[ketchup777]

Notice

This thread used not to appear in the egosearch of some players. That issue should now have been resolved.

the goat gambit, which wolf is feeling hungry enough to chase the goat?

[ketchup777]

dont mind me just sniping this post

[ketchup777]

and this one. do i have any motives or am i just crazy? stick around to find out

[ketchup777]

someone post something ahhhh

[ketchup777]

yeah sorry ketchup this is a micro theme we'll have like 30 pages tops by the end of it

the last micro I was in had more posts than this in the first couple hours


it’s ok tho I will restrain myselfffff

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o:

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VOTE: DrNick eh I changed my mind jambit or no jambit lurky slot so far maybe perchance a bit scummy

[ketchup777]

VOTE: DrNick eh I changed my mind jambit or no jambit lurky slot so far maybe perchance a bit scummy

You really are pushing this Jackson thing aren't you? Are we a bit eager to get ahead of it before a clarification first? If what he claimed is true, I can understand why you would do this hear though.

Also, weekends are never great for me, and generally this time of the day is when I would be more active

im just bored my guy

[ketchup777]

You're not really catching my meaning here

VOTE: KayJayQueue

that one's a classic

What do you mean?

Is it not obvious?

why being vague

[ketchup777]

VOTE: DrNick eh I changed my mind jambit or no jambit lurky slot so far maybe perchance a bit scummy

You really are pushing this Jackson thing aren't you? Are we a bit eager to get ahead of it before a clarification first? If what he claimed is true, I can understand why you would do this hear though.

Also, weekends are never great for me, and generally this time of the day is when I would be more active

im just bored my guy

Well I am here, let's spice things up then

if kjq, gypyx and hu tao were lying on a train tracks but you could pull the lever killing enchant and jackson but saving the others would you pull the lever

[ketchup777]

VOTE: DrNick eh I changed my mind jambit or no jambit lurky slot so far maybe perchance a bit scummy

You really are pushing this Jackson thing aren't you? Are we a bit eager to get ahead of it before a clarification first? If what he claimed is true, I can understand why you would do this hear though.

Also, weekends are never great for me, and generally this time of the day is when I would be more active

im just bored my guy

Well I am here, let's spice things up then

if kjq, gypyx and hu tao were lying on a train tracks but you could pull the lever killing enchant and jackson but saving the others would you pull the lever

I would be pulling that lever so fast, mainly because I would take the chance with only two people dying over three.

Ask me this question again in like two days(real days, not game days), and this would be very interesting to think about.

ok, now the following day you wake up as if in a nightmare in a similar scenario, but hu tao has run away to safety. gypyx and kay lie on the tracks, and umalut and experience await on alternate pathway. 2v2. pulling lever?

[ketchup777]

unfortunately hu tao's location is unknown at this point in time

[ketchup777]

noted and UNVOTE: d

[ketchup777]

thank you for satiating my desire for action

[ketchup777]

Ok, kill Um and exp

Not that I like killing the silent, but I can figure out Kay and Gyp better as time goes on

I care more about finding out your alt than finding scum lol

(kidding please don’t lim me)

i think i figured it out

dam merciless pagetop snipe poor alianna

[ketchup777]

I’m also informed there’s no SK innocent child apparently (even tho I thought that’s like… a given?), and other info I’m withholding until EoD.

That’s all my use for this game, time to do nothing for the rest of the game

lmao bianco trolling

[ketchup777]

seems important if someone is hammering to make sure jackson is around before doing it, then

[ketchup777]

hmm don't explain why

[ketchup777]

I think my info is hinting that a bulletproof SK exists, but it’s a micro so that don’t seem right

More than doesn’t seem, that physically can’t be right. To my knowledge serial killer is only legal in regular normals if announced, and is not legal in micros

[ketchup777]

I think my info is hinting that a bulletproof SK exists, but it’s a micro so that don’t seem right

More than doesn’t seem, that physically can’t be right. To my knowledge serial killer is only legal in regular normals if announced, and is not legal in micros

when i said regular i meant mini i think

[ketchup777]

Kay, what’s your track record like with successfully voting scum day 1?

[ketchup777]

Kay, what’s your track record like with successfully voting scum day 1?

In 3 micros, I voted scum successfully twice on Day 1. In a mini, I voted incorrectly. There was a themed micro where we couldn’t talk in the game thread so I don’t count that - but I voted wrong there too lol

And any other games are either incomplete or unfinished.

When you say voted do you mean over the whole day in total or where your final vote landed? And did you auto discount your scum game from this list or include it?

[ketchup777]

Is that helpful information here though because I feel like I have no idea what’s happening lol

that’s for you to know and me to find out

[ketchup777]

If there's like so many outed PRs already, maybe do massclaim at this point?

I mean why not indeed, what could go wrong.

I was just thinking that, but if we actually only have like one useful PR it’s bad. Plus we’ll keep scum in the dark as to how many VTs there are

[ketchup777]

methinks the game designers would not allow it to be broken by massclaim d1 anyhow

[ketchup777]

It was mocking.

You literally clueless.

Ok

Let's just assume everyone is informed. Even the 2 scum.

Everyone can't be informed.

Why

We have at least one Villager (VT), see game specific rule 10

[ketchup777]

It was mocking.

You literally clueless.

Ok

Let's just assume everyone is informed. Even the 2 scum.

Everyone can't be informed.

Why

We have at least one Villager (VT), see game specific rule 10

Well we shouldn't single that person out. So no reason to not assume everyone is informed.

a) it could be more than person. But I agree we shouldn’t massclaim
b) well, that’s assuming an impossibility, so

[ketchup777]

holy smokes

[ketchup777]

I CC you

[ketchup777]

Kay, what’s your track record like with successfully voting scum day 1?

In 3 micros, I voted scum successfully twice on Day 1. In a mini, I voted incorrectly. There was a themed micro where we couldn’t talk in the game thread so I don’t count that - but I voted wrong there too lol

And any other games are either incomplete or unfinished.

When you say voted do you mean over the whole day in total or where your final vote landed? And did you auto discount your scum game from this list or include it?

You said successfully so I counted end of day 1 vote only and no I didn’t include my scum game.

okok pondering

[ketchup777]

We NK each other then

prisoners dilemma ig

[ketchup777]

Is that helpful information here though because I feel like I have no idea what’s happening lol

that’s for you to know and me to find out

If you think I can find scum here, you should know that I don’t have much confidence in myself right now lol

Aw ): 2/4 successful d1 scum votes is pretty good though! I’m at 1/3 with the last one being more of a fluke because no other wagon would go through. Why so low?

[ketchup777]

wahoo hello umlaut what’s your favourite umlaut (ä,ë,ï,ö,ü)?

[ketchup777]

Bussing teammates doesn't count

no teammates for me again this game

[ketchup777]

Bussing teammates doesn't count

no teammates for me again this game

^ This player claimed Serial Killer

D:

[ketchup777]

Is that helpful information here though because I feel like I have no idea what’s happening lol

that’s for you to know and me to find out

If you think I can find scum here, you should know that I don’t have much confidence in myself right now lol

Aw ): 2/4 successful d1 scum votes is pretty good though! I’m at 1/3 with the last one being more of a fluke because no other wagon would go through. Why so low?

I just lost a game and realized I’m no good at endgame and now I’m paranoid I’ll always be dragged to the end because of it.

lucky you can’t be nightkilled this game then eh?

[ketchup777]

Is that helpful information here though because I feel like I have no idea what’s happening lol

that’s for you to know and me to find out

If you think I can find scum here, you should know that I don’t have much confidence in myself right now lol

Aw ): 2/4 successful d1 scum votes is pretty good though! I’m at 1/3 with the last one being more of a fluke because no other wagon would go through. Why so low?

I just lost a game and realized I’m no good at endgame and now I’m paranoid I’ll always be dragged to the end because of it.

lucky you can’t be nightkilled this game then eh?

I can always be night killed, I just feel like people see me as a waste of a kill because I do more harm with my paranoia and lack of confidence if I’m alive. I’ll try to hide my self doubt better though.

You were supposed to slip and say "true! I sure love rolling scum! Lalala" so I could sort you. rats

[ketchup777]

wahoo hello umlaut what’s your favourite umlaut (ä,ë,ï,ö,ü)?

Sometimes ÿ (even though that's usually a diaeresis and not an umlaut)

woahh I didn’t know that was a thing

This is page 10 and i am already tired of this game.

I am lurking cya

nooo come back

[ketchup777]

This is page 10 and i am already tired of this game.

I am lurking cya

That’s what happens when you replace in at the start and not page 50!

games with 30414093201713378043612608166064768844377641568960512000000000000 pages? wow

[ketchup777]

This is page 10 and i am already tired of this game.

I am lurking cya

That’s what happens when you replace in at the start and not page 50!

games with 30414093201713378043612608166064768844377641568960512000000000000 pages? wow

Are you trying to pocket me with math jokes, sir? Because it's working.

no comment (:

[ketchup777]

This is page 10 and i am already tired of this game.

I am lurking cya

That’s what happens when you replace in at the start and not page 50!

games with 30414093201713378043612608166064768844377641568960512000000000000 pages? wow

Are you trying to pocket me with math jokes, sir? Because it's working.

It’s a trap, he’s really good at pocketing!

heyyy I only do that as town, not as village

[ketchup777]

I think my info is hinting that a bulletproof SK exists, but it’s a micro so that don’t seem right

More than doesn’t seem, that physically can’t be right. To my knowledge serial killer is only legal in regular normals if announced, and is not legal in micros

Hmm. Okay Jack what do you think that means for your info then?

He’s wrong.

Complex you can have them if you announce it in signups (excluding larges) but we don’t really know if they’d do that here too

Game Notes

7.

The setup does not technically violate the letter of normalcy (or at least we believe so)

can't have unannounced sk here methinks

[ketchup777]

i may well have been muddled as to specific, tho. i just remembered hazily something about it being banned

[ketchup777]

my role did bring up the possible existence of a gf tho.

If you are informed you should claim now as there's possibility that mafia will kill you and information will be lost.

Besides you already gave fat tip.

i'm informed n1 informed n2 informed n3 informed.
currently the only information i have are phrases from information i'll gain.

*aggresively facepalming*

[ketchup777]

I guess the damage was somewhat done there but this day is not going well, mefeels. please no one else claim. we need to obfuscate scum as much as possible I think

[ketchup777]

hi welcome back to another change of topic we are not talking about PRs today no let’s talk about the state of German politics holy smokes who can believe that the AfD are gaining more votes than ever despite their numerous controversial policies? my my

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So anyway….

VOTE: Enchant

what’s the rationale behind this one

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hmmm i think there’s a difference. experience had already heavily hinted they were informed and practically outed already. Whereas massclaim would reveal lots of us that have not really hinted at what role we have so is a lot more damaging

[ketchup777]

haven’t liked or scumread?

[ketchup777]

'super' strong? so you have some scumreads?

[ketchup777]

Enough with the third degree lol

are you struggling to answer my questions?

[ketchup777]

Enough with the third degree lol

are you struggling to answer my questions?

No but I don’t think I’ve gathered enough information to make the statements you want. And if there’s one thing Ive learned it’s that everything I say can and will be used against me the minute someone wants to push me. I don’t want to give half-hearted reads until I feel more confident in what I’m feeling.

sure. all I want to know right now is if you have some scum reads. you don’t have to say who. or how strong. just whether you have some, or not.

[ketchup777]

apart from enchant

[ketchup777]

ok thx

[ketchup777]

we’ll talk again soon perchance

[ketchup777]

mmm that’s also how I feel so idk why you called my not-many questions third degree, unless it felt like you were cracking under the pressure as scum. but I appreciate you’ll want someone else to talk to and i want sleep so for now I vanish

[ketchup777]

mmm that’s also how I feel so idk why you called my not-many questions third degree, unless it felt like you were cracking under the pressure as scum. but I appreciate you’ll want someone else to talk to and i want sleep so for now I vanish

I guess I wrongly assume I’m easy to sort lol

not this time I guess. you being a radiating beacon of towniness before posting unfortunately doesn’t mean I can dump you as town before the game has started, unfortunately, much as I’d like to

I guess I have one final question actually. How much of your Enchant vote just now was sheeping Jackson? Would you have voted there if Jackson hadn’t? Or was Jackson the catalyst. Or was it entirely/mostly/partially/not your own thought? Enlighten me

now goodnight

[ketchup777]

the day deadlines are kinda short eh

[ketchup777]

VOTE: KJQ

sorry gal

[ketchup777]

Intent to hammer.

Getting in early or did you think she was at E-1?

[ketchup777]

VOTE: KJQ

sorry gal

That’s dumb. You can think I’m wrong without thinking I’m scum. You actually think this is a good vote?

yeah no I think you’re scum

[ketchup777]

And why am I getting votes because I answered questions about why I was voting where I was? I explained my thought process. If I’m wrong, I’m wrong but why does that mean I’m bad? No one even cares why Jack voted Enchant? No one needs to know why Gypyx voted me?

Why am I a good vote? Because it feels like I’m being punished for not understanding this format when everyone else seems to know what is going on and I don’t. So am I being voted because you don’t think I’ll be helpful? I’ve been more forthcoming about how I’m feeling in the game than anyone else.

I’d definitely look at the players voting me when I flip green. Because this vote makes no sense.

not so long ago you were happy to be voted out. what changed? was it all just a bluff?

[ketchup777]

VOTE: Enchant

Kay is town and i don't like how enchant is playing around her

Your vote was on Kay tho. Why?

[ketchup777]

VOTE: Enchant

Kay is town and i don't like how enchant is playing around her

Your vote was on Kay tho. Why?

Cause kay wasn't towny before but she towned up

with which posts

[ketchup777]

VOTE: KJQ

sorry gal

That’s dumb. You can think I’m wrong without thinking I’m scum. You actually think this is a good vote?

yeah no I think you’re scum

That’s pretty crazy to me

ok

not so long ago you were happy to be voted out. what changed? was it all just a bluff?

I said if we can’t find a wolf. Because I feel out of my depth, knowledge wise. But I’m still trying. But since I’m not a wolf, we aren’t finding one by voting me.

hmm ok

[ketchup777]

And why am I getting votes because I answered questions about why I was voting where I was? I explained my thought process. If I’m wrong, I’m wrong but why does that mean I’m bad? No one even cares why Jack voted Enchant? No one needs to know why Gypyx voted me?

Why am I a good vote? Because it feels like I’m being punished for not understanding this format when everyone else seems to know what is going on and I don’t. So am I being voted because you don’t think I’ll be helpful? I’ve been more forthcoming about how I’m feeling in the game than anyone else.

I’d definitely look at the players voting me when I flip green. Because this vote makes no sense.

not so long ago you were happy to be voted out. what changed? was it all just a bluff?

Have you never wanted something then wanted something else later?

Of course, but like, I still want to hear explanations to judge if they’re garbled or genuine

[ketchup777]

I think i need new avatar

why

[ketchup777]

VOTE: KJQ

sorry gal

That’s dumb. You can think I’m wrong without thinking I’m scum. You actually think this is a good vote?

yeah no I think you’re scum

I’d love to hear your case against me. I want it in detail the way town!ketchup would do it or else I think you’re going after an “easy” vote with me and that seems scummy.

coming right up

[ketchup777]

I’m town informed there’s a wolf between nick and ketchup

Imagine my rvs actually was on scum lol I guess that makes your vote make more sense though.

This post…
I think Kay is undertoning that she never succesfully RVSs scum. But the phrasing of this on a reread seems off.

What’s the difference tonally between 'Imagine my rvs vote was actually on scum' and 'Imagine my rvs vote actually was on scum’? I think to me 'was actually' would sound more natural, as in like, "wow, imagine I actually got the scum right in RVS for once!" whereas ‘actually was' sounds like "imagine an alternate world where my rvs vote was on scum". sounds to me as if Kay is scum and Nick is not her partner

This is probably a dumb question but my role is my role, right? Like there’s no way that I’m actually something else I’m not aware of? There’s no mechanic that makes me think I’m good if I’m actually not, right?

dumb telling or similar perhaps. I remember looking briefly at Kay’s scum game in the past and she had a lot of this, though that was her first game on the site

VOTE: KayJayQueue

that one's a classic

What do you mean?

Is it not obvious?

Not to me. What did I doooo?

hmmm probably tonally NAI though might come back here later. implication that she knows she might have done something?

Okay I’m obviously way out of my depth here. If we can’t find a wolf and need to lim someone useless, both role-wise and knowledge of the game wise, I feel like dead weight. I really want to be helpful but I feel like everyone is speaking in code and it’s all flying completely over my head.

though with no wifom this would come from town, I somewhat feel like this is coming from wolf.

Kay, what’s your track record like with successfully voting scum day 1?

Ummm let me do some research lol

Interesting. Why was the reaction not more akin to 'Ummm I think it’s been decent. Let me check"? If Kay in town mindset, would she not remember her recent town stuff and be all too happy to share? But if Kay in scum mindset, might need to fact check

Kay, what’s your track record like with successfully voting scum day 1?

In 3 micros, I voted scum successfully twice on Day 1. In a mini, I voted incorrectly. There was a themed micro where we couldn’t talk in the game thread so I don’t count that - but I voted wrong there too lol

And any other games are either incomplete or unfinished.

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Is that helpful information here though because I feel like I have no idea what’s happening lol

9 minute or so gap before posting this. Is she starting to doubt herself in Macbeth fashion? why am i probing her for this? is she scared?

Kay, what’s your track record like with successfully voting scum day 1?

In 3 micros, I voted scum successfully twice on Day 1. In a mini, I voted incorrectly. There was a themed micro where we couldn’t talk in the game thread so I don’t count that - but I voted wrong there too lol

And any other games are either incomplete or unfinished.

When you say voted do you mean over the whole day in total or where your final vote landed? And did you auto discount your scum game from this list or include it?

You said successfully so I counted end of day 1 vote only and no I didn’t include my scum game.

'You said'- she was following the criteria I laid out and not free thinking

VOTE: enchant

So anyway….

VOTE: Enchant

haven’t liked or scumread?

Haven’t liked but it could be scum. I don’t have any super strong scumreads yet.

Maybe. I’m also against a mass claim but I haven’t liked his approach so far.

Then yes there is someone I my eyes on.

Disconnect. KJQ’s Enchant vote feels a lot more just sheeping Jackson yet she never admits that, potentially suggesting the vote is grounded on nothing and fake yet she didn’t want to admit that as a wolf. If there is someone she has her eye on, why is she focusing on punishing someone (Enchant) for getting someone (experience) to claim that '

could

be scum'? KJQ had been on unvote after RVSing (Jackson sheeping) Nick for a while. Why come off now? It looks like a Jackson sheep to me, so why not admit that? After pressing, she said it was 60% a sheep. But why not say that before when I asked for the rationale?

I already said that he felt inconsistent.

KJQ unwilling/refusing to work with the town to facilitate, maybe

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Remember my big, in-depth PurpleMango post that everyone said was confbias? This is the same. You read through my ISO trying to prove what I said was scummy, it doesn’t feel genuine or if it is, it’s in the same vein my PurpleMango post was: I thought I was gathering evidence but I was just finding things he said scummy because I was looking for it(and remember, I was wrong). I will respond to this in detail in a few hours but I have to drive to the airport soon so I can’t do the formatting the response calls for with the time I have at the moment.

some of my points are quite weak ya but i only started casing you because multiple posts pinged me as off

E: fixed broken quote tags.

[ketchup777]

I was gonna so a funny hybrid of ketchup and kays name and ended up almost posting “kay” like a dumbass

LMAO

[ketchup777]

I was gonna so a funny hybrid of ketchup and kays name and ended up almost posting “kay” like a dumbass

LMAO

I might just have to make my response without proper formatting and just respond in a lump of text, do you mind if that’s what I do? I just can’t get on my laptop right now but I want to respond sooner than later.

I don’t mind, but I won’t be reading it till morning anyway (~9 hours) so take your pick

[ketchup777]

sounds good
why you airporting

[ketchup777]

aww

or is just to get an alibi for tonight while your wolf partner mercilessly kills HMMMM

[ketchup777]

nahh not even joking tho I swear the last people to say they were boarding a plane or similar were scum so mad sus rn ofc hmmmmmm

[ketchup777]

Spoiler:

I’m town informed there’s a wolf between nick and ketchup

Imagine my rvs actually was on scum lol I guess that makes your vote make more sense though.

This post…
I think Kay is undertoning that she never succesfully RVSs scum. But the phrasing of this on a reread seems off.

What’s the difference tonally between 'Imagine my rvs vote was actually on scum' and 'Imagine my rvs vote actually was on scum’? I think to me 'was actually' would sound more natural, as in like, "wow, imagine I actually got the scum right in RVS for once!" whereas ‘actually was' sounds like "imagine an alternate world where my rvs vote was on scum". sounds to me as if Kay is scum and Nick is not her partner

This is probably a dumb question but my role is my role, right? Like there’s no way that I’m actually something else I’m not aware of? There’s no mechanic that makes me think I’m good if I’m actually not, right?

dumb telling or similar perhaps. I remember looking briefly at Kay’s scum game in the past and she had a lot of this, though that was her first game on the site

VOTE: KayJayQueue

that one's a classic

What do you mean?

Is it not obvious?

Not to me. What did I doooo?

hmmm probably tonally NAI though might come back here later. implication that she knows she might have done something?

Okay I’m obviously way out of my depth here. If we can’t find a wolf and need to lim someone useless, both role-wise and knowledge of the game wise, I feel like dead weight. I really want to be helpful but I feel like everyone is speaking in code and it’s all flying completely over my head.

though with no wifom this would come from town, I somewhat feel like this is coming from wolf.

Kay, what’s your track record like with successfully voting scum day 1?

Ummm let me do some research lol

Interesting. Why was the reaction not more akin to 'Ummm I think it’s been decent. Let me check"? If Kay in town mindset, would she not remember her recent town stuff and be all too happy to share? But if Kay in scum mindset, might need to fact check

Kay, what’s your track record like with successfully voting scum day 1?

In 3 micros, I voted scum successfully twice on Day 1. In a mini, I voted incorrectly. There was a themed micro where we couldn’t talk in the game thread so I don’t count that - but I voted wrong there too lol

And any other games are either incomplete or unfinished.

.

Is that helpful information here though because I feel like I have no idea what’s happening lol

9 minute or so gap before posting this. Is she starting to doubt herself in Macbeth fashion? why am i probing her for this? is she scared?

Kay, what’s your track record like with successfully voting scum day 1?

In 3 micros, I voted scum successfully twice on Day 1. In a mini, I voted incorrectly. There was a themed micro where we couldn’t talk in the game thread so I don’t count that - but I voted wrong there too lol

And any other games are either incomplete or unfinished.

When you say voted do you mean over the whole day in total or where your final vote landed? And did you auto discount your scum game from this list or include it?

You said successfully so I counted end of day 1 vote only and no I didn’t include my scum game.

'You said'- she was following the criteria I laid out and not free thinking

VOTE: enchant

So anyway….

VOTE: Enchant

haven’t liked or scumread?

Haven’t liked but it could be scum. I don’t have any super strong scumreads yet.

Maybe. I’m also against a mass claim but I haven’t liked his approach so far.

Then yes there is someone I my eyes on.

Disconnect. KJQ’s Enchant vote feels a lot more just sheeping Jackson yet she never admits that, potentially suggesting the vote is grounded on nothing and fake yet she didn’t want to admit that as a wolf. If there is someone she has her eye on, why is she focusing on punishing someone (Enchant) for getting someone (experience) to claim that '

could

be scum'? KJQ had been on unvote after RVSing (Jackson sheeping) Nick for a while. Why come off now? It looks like a Jackson sheep to me, so why not admit that? After pressing, she said it was 60% a sheep. But why not say that before when I asked for the rationale?

I already said that he felt inconsistent.

KJQ unwilling/refusing to work with the town to facilitate, maybe

Quote 1: I don’t think my syntax should be used against me just because you don’t think it sounds natural. I would be very surprised if my rvs votes were ever on scum because I don’t vote people I think are scum in rvs, I vote random people. If those people later turn out to be scum, cool, but I wouldn’t give myself credit for voting them in rvs because I wasn’t doing it seriously.

you’d be surprised if they were ever on scum? shouldn’t they be on scum 1/4 of the time you are town?

Quote 2: not dumb telling, just dumb. Also watching wayyy too much Blood on the Clocktower where the roles can be bullshit lol so in a game where I have no idea what is happening and everyone seems to have a crazy role, I was doubting myself hard.

sure. i looked at your scum game where you also asked lots of questions about stuff but that was also your first game and now you’re 4+ games deep but it’s still not really a perfect comparison.

Quote 3 & 4: I don’t know what to tell you but that that’s just me. NAI at the least, if you’ve played with me, and since you have i wouldn’t expect you to seriously scum read me off this.

eh sure I could be seeing what I want to see

Quotes 5-8: I don’t want to give bad info so I wanted to actually look at my games and be sure. I play multiple mafia games at a time so it’s likely I might mix a few D1s up and I’d rather be accurate because I know any inaccuracy could be used against me. Also, I clarified that I was basing my answer off my interpretation of what you meant by “successful”. You asked me something specific, why would I be “free thinking” in my answer when I want to answer the question you asked accurately. This really feels like a reach especially when I had no problem engaging in this question even though I didn’t know how it was going to help you.

being sure is good yeah. but I felt like the fact that that was your first port of call, rather than 'I think __, but I’ll check' felt to me you were nervous you’d slip up. maybe

Last few quotes: I want to address the accusation of rvs sheeping Jack first: I did not sheep that vote. If I had gotten to the thread 10 minutes earlier, my vote would’ve been first and it would’ve said the exact same thing. I wanted to vote Nick for the alt reason before the thread was even locked. I really do want to know who he is lol

Aside from that, his vote on enchant made me pause and go back to reread what had recently happened and I didn’t like what I read. You know what happened from there. I admitted exactly the same then, that his vote was the catalyst that led to my vote. If you call that sheeping, that’s fine but either way it doesn’t make me bad. But it especially doesn’t when I had solid reasoning to have the thought process I did.[/color=purple]

I thought you said Jackson’s vote caused you to look back at Enchant. yet you say if you had got to the thread ten minutes earlier you’d vote Enchant. but if you had not looked back at Enchant yet, how could that be?

nvm you meant your rvs vote okok.

"I admitted exactly the same then, that his vote was the catalyst that led to my vote". what, didn’t you just say his rvs vote was

not

a catalyst to your vote. "exactly the same" as what?

hmm

I will compromise on some other people if need be, but not Enchant. Or others that I will express refusal for if I need to.

[ketchup777]

VOTE: ketchup

I’m not buying that this is coming from a town perspective.

this vote is even more mystical to me and furthers you as scum to me unfortunately. The rest of the response was almost promising

[ketchup777]

The rvs vote it’s that it seemed like you knew that you weren’t voting scum by the way you acted, and in general this whole 'who cares it’s only a random vote' attitude feels more scummy to me but I can’t fully place why.

your current voting trajectory is not good to me either.

nick, RVS, whatever.
unvote. sure
enchant… momentum from Jackson. says you have someone you have your eye on apart from enchant, yet this is clearly not me (or was it? correct me).
now you vote me. what happened to enchant? and whoever you had your eye on? why vote me before trying to answer my questions? it doesn’t make sense

[ketchup777]

Spoiler: ketchup stuff

Spoiler:

I’m town informed there’s a wolf between nick and ketchup

Imagine my rvs actually was on scum lol I guess that makes your vote make more sense though.

This post…
I think Kay is undertoning that she never succesfully RVSs scum. But the phrasing of this on a reread seems off.

What’s the difference tonally between 'Imagine my rvs vote was actually on scum' and 'Imagine my rvs vote actually was on scum’? I think to me 'was actually' would sound more natural, as in like, "wow, imagine I actually got the scum right in RVS for once!" whereas ‘actually was' sounds like "imagine an alternate world where my rvs vote was on scum". sounds to me as if Kay is scum and Nick is not her partner

This is probably a dumb question but my role is my role, right? Like there’s no way that I’m actually something else I’m not aware of? There’s no mechanic that makes me think I’m good if I’m actually not, right?

dumb telling or similar perhaps. I remember looking briefly at Kay’s scum game in the past and she had a lot of this, though that was her first game on the site

VOTE: KayJayQueue

that one's a classic

What do you mean?

Is it not obvious?

Not to me. What did I doooo?

hmmm probably tonally NAI though might come back here later. implication that she knows she might have done something?

Okay I’m obviously way out of my depth here. If we can’t find a wolf and need to lim someone useless, both role-wise and knowledge of the game wise, I feel like dead weight. I really want to be helpful but I feel like everyone is speaking in code and it’s all flying completely over my head.

though with no wifom this would come from town, I somewhat feel like this is coming from wolf.

Kay, what’s your track record like with successfully voting scum day 1?

Ummm let me do some research lol

Interesting. Why was the reaction not more akin to 'Ummm I think it’s been decent. Let me check"? If Kay in town mindset, would she not remember her recent town stuff and be all too happy to share? But if Kay in scum mindset, might need to fact check

Kay, what’s your track record like with successfully voting scum day 1?

In 3 micros, I voted scum successfully twice on Day 1. In a mini, I voted incorrectly. There was a themed micro where we couldn’t talk in the game thread so I don’t count that - but I voted wrong there too lol

And any other games are either incomplete or unfinished.

.

Is that helpful information here though because I feel like I have no idea what’s happening lol

9 minute or so gap before posting this. Is she starting to doubt herself in Macbeth fashion? why am i probing her for this? is she scared?

Kay, what’s your track record like with successfully voting scum day 1?

In 3 micros, I voted scum successfully twice on Day 1. In a mini, I voted incorrectly. There was a themed micro where we couldn’t talk in the game thread so I don’t count that - but I voted wrong there too lol

And any other games are either incomplete or unfinished.

When you say voted do you mean over the whole day in total or where your final vote landed? And did you auto discount your scum game from this list or include it?

You said successfully so I counted end of day 1 vote only and no I didn’t include my scum game.

'You said'- she was following the criteria I laid out and not free thinking

VOTE: enchant

So anyway….

VOTE: Enchant

haven’t liked or scumread?

Haven’t liked but it could be scum. I don’t have any super strong scumreads yet.

Maybe. I’m also against a mass claim but I haven’t liked his approach so far.

Then yes there is someone I my eyes on.

Disconnect. KJQ’s Enchant vote feels a lot more just sheeping Jackson yet she never admits that, potentially suggesting the vote is grounded on nothing and fake yet she didn’t want to admit that as a wolf. If there is someone she has her eye on, why is she focusing on punishing someone (Enchant) for getting someone (experience) to claim that '

could

be scum'? KJQ had been on unvote after RVSing (Jackson sheeping) Nick for a while. Why come off now? It looks like a Jackson sheep to me, so why not admit that? After pressing, she said it was 60% a sheep. But why not say that before when I asked for the rationale?

I already said that he felt inconsistent.

KJQ unwilling/refusing to work with the town to facilitate, maybe

Quote 1: I don’t think my syntax should be used against me just because you don’t think it sounds natural. I would be very surprised if my rvs votes were ever on scum because I don’t vote people I think are scum in rvs, I vote random people. If those people later turn out to be scum, cool, but I wouldn’t give myself credit for voting them in rvs because I wasn’t doing it seriously.

you’d be surprised if they were ever on scum? shouldn’t they be on scum 1/4 of the time you are town?

Quote 2: not dumb telling, just dumb. Also watching wayyy too much Blood on the Clocktower where the roles can be bullshit lol so in a game where I have no idea what is happening and everyone seems to have a crazy role, I was doubting myself hard.

sure. i looked at your scum game where you also asked lots of questions about stuff but that was also your first game and now you’re 4+ games deep but it’s still not really a perfect comparison.

Quote 3 & 4: I don’t know what to tell you but that that’s just me. NAI at the least, if you’ve played with me, and since you have i wouldn’t expect you to seriously scum read me off this.

eh sure I could be seeing what I want to see

Quotes 5-8: I don’t want to give bad info so I wanted to actually look at my games and be sure. I play multiple mafia games at a time so it’s likely I might mix a few D1s up and I’d rather be accurate because I know any inaccuracy could be used against me. Also, I clarified that I was basing my answer off my interpretation of what you meant by “successful”. You asked me something specific, why would I be “free thinking” in my answer when I want to answer the question you asked accurately. This really feels like a reach especially when I had no problem engaging in this question even though I didn’t know how it was going to help you.

being sure is good yeah. but I felt like the fact that that was your first port of call, rather than 'I think __, but I’ll check' felt to me you were nervous you’d slip up. maybe

Last few quotes: I want to address the accusation of rvs sheeping Jack first: I did not sheep that vote. If I had gotten to the thread 10 minutes earlier, my vote would’ve been first and it would’ve said the exact same thing. I wanted to vote Nick for the alt reason before the thread was even locked. I really do want to know who he is lol

Aside from that, his vote on enchant made me pause and go back to reread what had recently happened and I didn’t like what I read. You know what happened from there. I admitted exactly the same then, that his vote was the catalyst that led to my vote. If you call that sheeping, that’s fine but either way it doesn’t make me bad. But it especially doesn’t when I had solid reasoning to have the thought process I did.[/color=purple]

I thought you said Jackson’s vote caused you to look back at Enchant. yet you say if you had got to the thread ten minutes earlier you’d vote Enchant. but if you had not looked back at Enchant yet, how could that be?

nvm you meant your rvs vote okok.

"I admitted exactly the same then, that his vote was the catalyst that led to my vote". what, didn’t you just say his rvs vote was

not

a catalyst to your vote. "exactly the same" as what?

hmm

I will compromise on some other people if need be, but not Enchant. Or others that I will express refusal for if I need to.

1.

Again

you are twisting things against me. I don’t understand your

obsession

with my rvs vote in this game or any other. I don’t use rvs to try to vote scum but to gather info. So

you keep trying to

make it make sense and that I should know if I rvs voted scum…

to me it’s pointless

either way. Rvs is random for a reason.

2. So I asked a lot of questions during my first game, yes because I was brand new. I needed those questions answered no matter what alignment I was. This game is not my first, sure, but it’s my first with mechanics I haven’t cone across before so I’m once again asking questions because I don’t have the answers. If you think that’s scum, it actually makes me annoyed because

it once again

makes me feel like my lack of experience is being used against me

. You played with me in a newbie game where I was much more confident because the setup was straightforward and I got lucky to catch scum based off of meta. So entirety of day 1 there, I felt good. Did you notice how unsure I was in subsequent days?

Maybe you should revisit that game if you forgot.

5-8.

Again

you are deciding that my words mean something they don’t just because you’re hoping they mean something scummy. It’s such a stretch to say I’m nervous because I answered a question you asked me in a way you didn’t expect. I answered your question and I did it pretty timely. I wasn’t trying to hide anything.

The rest: you misunderstood what I said. When I said “I said exactly the same” it was referring to when you asked in thread and I responded. Meaning -

I’ve already explained this.

A lot of 'again', 'I‘ve already explained this', etc. people telling the truth can rephrase things. liars (generally) cannot.

detached and a minislip- scum don’t care about votes. rvs can be

almost

pointless to town but there’s still something to be got out of it, mefeels.

this came off as a bit passive aggressive and annoyed

but sorry you feel that way

[ketchup777]

A cheeeeeeky little pagetop very nice very nice

[ketchup777]

One day my scumpings for you will be right

this day is not that day. nor is tomorrow, Friday, Saturday or any day until this game ends. but it’s ok, tunneling me is basically obligatory jackson meta now

By all means.

do you believe in your vote on me or what?

[ketchup777]

Kay is likely town. Ketchup is probably town. How about we push the focus elsewhere?

but sure

VOTE: Umlaut

[ketchup777]

(Pretend this never happened, Umalut! You’re pocketed, you’re pocketeeeeed *cue swirly imagery*)

[ketchup777]

E-(x where x^2-4x=-4)

[ketchup777]

Kay is likely town. Ketchup is probably town. How about we push the focus elsewhere?

but sure

VOTE: Umlaut

So are you just sheeping Hu Tao?

ohhhhhhhhh the burn

[ketchup777]

One day my scumpings for you will be right

this day is not that day. nor is tomorrow, Friday, Saturday or any day until this game ends. but it’s ok, tunneling me is basically obligatory jackson meta now

By all means.

do you believe in your vote on me or what?

Yes I believe in my vote on you but I want the conversation to move off of me since I’m town and focusing on me is wasting time. Again, as I said in a recent post, (btw this is why I keep saying this, because it hasn’t even been half a page since I’ve shared these thoughts so either you’re ignoring them to make me repeat myself or you’re just not paying attention, either way it’s exhausting) I think scum is using this (me) as a distraction. You could be keeping it going to continue the distraction as scum, or scum could be sitting by watching it happen. Currently, I’m leaning toward the first one so my vote is staying where it is until you do something that makes me think you’re town.

sorry i missed that at the time I’m tired from doing 2 hours of round robin tennis

[ketchup777]

Does anyone want to explain their vote on Umlaut?

sometimes scummy slot scum

[ketchup777]

VOTE: DrNick

I think we've seen enough today, let's launch this

Also the "let‘s launch this" was persuasive enough language to maybe hope we would actually (mis)lim here

[ketchup777]

im pretty confident on my pool of 4 or 5 players for scum rn but I don’t wanna share it in the hopes some of them die

[ketchup777]

Does anyone want to explain their vote on Umlaut?

sometimes scummy slot scum

So the answer is no, you don’t have an explanation. You came up with a deep dive on why you think I’m scum and have argued every single word Ive said since but here “scum is scum”…okay. Don’t mind me while I don’t believe this is genuine.

I will compromise on some other people if need be, but not Enchant. Or others that I will express refusal for if I need to.

[ketchup777]

BUT I VOTED UMLAUT FIRST


TECHNICALLY IT'S THEY SHEEPING ME.

so true bestie

[ketchup777]

Does anyone want to explain their vote on Umlaut?

sometimes scummy slot scum

So the answer is no, you don’t have an explanation. You came up with a deep dive on why you think I’m scum and have argued every single word Ive said since but here “scum is scum”…okay. Don’t mind me while I don’t believe this is genuine.

anyway don’t pretend you and umlaut are symmetric. you have 91 posts and he has 7. how am I supposed to case umlaut

[ketchup777]

well I did explain my vote, there’s not much in it. I’m happy with umlaut even if I’d probs rather have you

[ketchup777]

^ Hey look scum claim

o:

[ketchup777]

I literally have nothing else to say about Umlaut, which is maybe the inherent problem with Umlaut in the first place?

[ketchup777]

VOTE: Umalut

VOTE: Umlaut

[ketchup777]

hmmmmm

[ketchup777]

I was gonna look at my last game for inspiration how I got out of this then I remembered I did not get out of this so errr that’s awkward

[ketchup777]

2 people at e-2?

we should make it 3 for equality

[ketchup777]

mafiascum top hookup website

[ketchup777]

i still think ketchup/kay are prob t/t.
so won't vote either.

thx
what about voting umlaut?

[ketchup777]

or, you, know, anyone really

[ketchup777]

i still think ketchup/kay are prob t/t.
so won't vote either.

thx
what about voting umlaut?

i think i'll be fine with it.
tho moreso due to their lack of presence

do you think you have been present?

[ketchup777]

I don’t think you care who is limmed, and that doesn’t feel towny. You wanted me first, you thought I was the easy vote to push. You got pushback so jumped on another wagon. That’s what I’m observing.

why would I think you would be an easy push, when last game we both heavily townread each other? why break out that mindset?

VOTE: KJQ

sorry gal

That’s dumb. You can think I’m wrong without thinking I’m scum. You actually think this is a good vote?

yeah no I think you’re scum

I’d love to hear your case against me. I want it in detail the way town!ketchup would do it or else I think you’re going after an “easy” vote with me and that seems scummy.

yeah no it’s not an easy vote. as observed by the fact I have since garnered 3 votes on me. umlaut first would’ve been a lot easier

[ketchup777]

i mean, if I’m trying to choose someone who won’t try defend themself, you would be the last person to pick

[ketchup777]

I an interested with how your wagon dissolved in general tho. There’s some shenanigans going on there mefeels, but I can’t place what yet

[ketchup777]

VOTE: ketchup

VOTE: KayJayQueue

that one's a classic

Ketchup / kay TvT

yay or nay

had to take these out of context for the lolsies

[ketchup777]

it’s bedtime but yea idk what they doing really lol

[ketchup777]

Jackson you haven’t forgotten about claiming right?

[ketchup777]

i still think ketchup/kay are prob t/t.
so won't vote either.

thx
what about voting umlaut?

i think i'll be fine with it.
tho moreso due to their lack of presence

do you think you have been present?

probably not that much tbh

mm you only had 10 more posts than Umlaut so is your vote not a little bit hypocritical?

[ketchup777]

VOTE: ketchup

VOTE: KayJayQueue

that one's a classic

Ketchup / kay TvT

yay or nay

had to take these out of context for the lolsies

i'm such a goofy goober

A goofy goober goon?

[ketchup777]

i still think ketchup/kay are prob t/t.
so won't vote either.

thx
what about voting umlaut?

i think i'll be fine with it.
tho moreso due to their lack of presence

do you think you have been present?

probably not that much tbh

mm you only had 10 more posts than Umlaut so is your vote not a little bit hypocritical?

So are you just gonna pressure the lurkers?

If that gets them to generate content, sure.
KJQ not a lurker tho and I pressured her

[ketchup777]

i still think ketchup/kay are prob t/t.
so won't vote either.

thx
what about voting umlaut?

i think i'll be fine with it.
tho moreso due to their lack of presence

do you think you have been present?

probably not that much tbh

mm you only had 10 more posts than Umlaut so is your vote not a little bit hypocritical?

So are you just gonna pressure the lurkers?

If that gets them to generate content, sure.
KJQ not a lurker tho and I pressured her

Do you wan to lim Kay? Or was is just for pressure?

yeah I think she has replicated her scumgame but I don’t think her lim will go through today, seeing how her wagon dissolved.

[ketchup777]

There’s my claim, enjoy cuties

hmm it is cute, make sure to send the message tonight to someone you trust

[ketchup777]

Ok so as part of E-1 claiming we need to claim who we would vengekill

pedit: uh oh

[ketchup777]

Ok so as part of E-1 claiming we need to claim who we would vengekill

pedit: uh oh

Then if nothing goes through we get a clear. it might be optimal to try eliminate our vengeful player today infact? thoughts (without claiming)?

[ketchup777]

thx
what about voting umlaut?

i think i'll be fine with it.
tho moreso due to their lack of presence

do you think you have been present?

probably not that much tbh

mm you only had 10 more posts than Umlaut so is your vote not a little bit hypocritical?

So are you just gonna pressure the lurkers?

If that gets them to generate content, sure.
KJQ not a lurker tho and I pressured her

Do you wan to lim Kay? Or was is just for pressure?

yeah I think she has replicated her scumgame but I don’t think her lim will go through today, seeing how her wagon dissolved.

Out of curiosity did you only look at my scum game or did you look at any of the other town games I have outside the one we played together. I think that would give you much more info. Again, please remember my first game ever was a scum game so I had no idea how anything worked. It doesn’t mean every single thing I said in that game was AI. I can tell you my other games might help you see something that wasn’t necessary there in a newbie game I felt much more confident in. But you seem unable to entertain anything except what you think is your “correct read” (it’s not)

I have looked briefly at parts of your town games but I haven’t read any (incl. scumgame) fully through because I have some remnant of a life.
I think I’m right but then again last 3 times my main pushes (Hu Tao, Ranger, Dragon) have all been wrong. So maybe I just suck

[ketchup777]

Ok so as part of E-1 claiming we need to claim who we would vengekill

pedit: uh oh

Then if nothing goes through we get a clear. it might be optimal to try eliminate our vengeful player today infact? thoughts (without claiming)?

Incorrect.

plz explain why

[ketchup777]

Ok so as part of E-1 claiming we need to claim who we would vengekill

pedit: uh oh

Then if nothing goes through we get a clear. it might be optimal to try eliminate our vengeful player today infact? thoughts (without claiming)?

Incorrect.

plz explain why

So you want to eliminate said player (who is... Um. Conftown, presuming Jackson is town and information is truth). So they can try to kill someone else, either conftowning them instead (and be probably instantly murdered at night) OR kill mafia (bringing us at Odd amount of players, so we lose not one, but TWO mislims). When we could... Just eliminate target at first place instead of said conftown.


You brainfarted. No offence.

oh ok yeah I understand. they’re conftown if there’s only one of them, then again, there probably is only one otherwise that’d be pretty weird. that being said, if an E-1 player claims vengeful they should probably still say who they would vengekill incase there are shenanigans and a maf quickhammer? or am I just being silly

[ketchup777]

If one claims, that doesn’t make them an IC unless everybody has

Yep I understand

while some of me is scared now that vengeful players may have been playing deliberately scummy, it’s also ok if we eliminate them if they are not functional IC. I imagine we don’t only have 1 VT and 1 vengeful because then we have 2 innocent childs but then again maybe we do? hmmm

umlaut say something

[ketchup777]

Gypyx, who are you going to vote?

[ketchup777]

Would be fair if both ketchup and umlaut claimed then.

I think if one of us has useful information similar to jackson we should claim it ideally in twilight if we’ve been hammered but idk

this requires umlaut to be present in twilight but idk

[ketchup777]

i am happy to claim now if you want me to but I’m confused because I only just woke up before making that post so did I say something stupid?

[ketchup777]

Would be fair if both ketchup and umlaut claimed then.

Would be even better if Umlaut posted first lol

Also I don't want to be the one to mention that Enchant is again looking for claims.....basically unprompted as well, I wasn't thinking it was a big deal before......but now is a bit of a pattern

I’d love ketchup’s opinion on that since he’s basically been calling me scum since I pointed it out the first time when I originally voted Enchant.

I can see reasons for both town!enchant and scum!enchant to do this so idk really, I still think he town tho

[ketchup777]

Would be fair if both ketchup and umlaut claimed then.

I think if one of us has useful information similar to jackson we should claim it ideally in twilight if we’ve been hammered but idk

That's great joke.

VOTE: Ketchup

Learn fakeclaiming.

the idea being if one of us is hammered as town we would have no motivation to fakeclaim.

[ketchup777]

ok but serious question is that vote going to stay and if it is is it consensus I should claim asap or what

[ketchup777]

well if it’s going to stay then umlaut will hammer me whatever so

[ketchup777]

Mr Yap over here

devastating blow

[ketchup777]

Enchant, are you not interested to see who Gypyx votes?

[ketchup777]

And if you think I’m scum why vote me now and not just intent to hammer them hammer me I’m confusedddd

[ketchup777]

im village save me from this fateeeee

[ketchup777]

Anyway I can’t guarantee to be here every minute of the day so could you unvote so Umlaut can’t hammer me and claim accident

[ketchup777]

aahhh

[ketchup777]

Anyway I can’t guarantee to be here every minute of the day so could you unvote so Umlaut can’t hammer me and claim accident

Claim or no unvote

ok give me 2 mins

[ketchup777]

wait Umlaut replaced

[ketchup777]

hmmmm

[ketchup777]

no srsly it will make sense why I needed 2 mins but the basic premise is I’m JOAT (n1-101 activated informed, n1-102 activated informed, n1-103 activated informed)

[ketchup777]

n1-101 I can get info about some number of KJQ, Gypyx or Hu Tao

n1-102 I can get info about some number of Gypyx, DrNick, Experience and Umlaut

n1-103 I can get info about some number of Jackson, Enchant

[ketchup777]

the info I get is predetermined and might be about already flipped players at the point o get it. I can only use one info each night

[ketchup777]

dont mind me just sniping this post

and this one. do i have any motives or am i just crazy? stick around to find out

someone post something ahhhh

me sniping 101-103 crumb

[ketchup777]

And yes, gypyx is in both lists. Which is why i was less suspicious than I might have been of her 'probably miller' claim

[ketchup777]

both lists 1 and 2*

[ketchup777]

So what claim is real at this point

i am happy to

inform

you that I am town
idk about that nick guy tho

I was in crumbing mood around this time

VOTE: DrNick eh I changed my mind jambit or no jambit lurky slot so far maybe perchance a bit scummy

You really are pushing this Jackson thing aren't you? Are we a bit eager to get ahead of it before a clarification first? If what he claimed is true, I can understand why you would do this hear though.

Also, weekends are never great for me, and generally this time of the day is when I would be more active

im just bored my guy

Well I am here, let's spice things up then

if kjq, gypyx and hu tao were lying on a train tracks but you could pull the lever killing enchant and jackson but saving the others would you pull the lever

Me crumbing 2 of the groups of info that I get. I couldn’t think of a way to crumb the group of 4 when I was asking nick the train tracks q and I couldn’t exactly ask him to kill himself

[ketchup777]

Sorry if this was wrong to out

[ketchup777]

I was reluctant to claim because I might get useful info and my role could potentially be a scum role but it looked pretty unsalvageable

[ketchup777]

well it is so

[ketchup777]

wait no, you’re actually right. I’m an informed village JOAT (n1-…)

I forgot about that somehow sorry oh no

[ketchup777]

AAH I DONT HAVE VERY GOOD SIGNAL IM IN THE COUNTEYSIDE BUT YEAH HOLD UP I KINDA MISSED YHAT CRUCIAL BIT ONE SEC

[ketchup777]

nah im stressing cos I probably just threw for village (again) but yeah I’m informed that

—> on n1-101 I receive information about some of Gypyx, Hu Tao, KJQ
—> on n1-102 I receive information about some of Experience, DrNick, Gypyx, Umlaut
—> on n1-103 I receive information about some of Jackson, Enchant

[ketchup777]

i was so focused on making sure I got the lists right I forgot the whole bit about being informed, which I had already had a minirevelation about a week ago but forgot again apparently

[ketchup777]

Or to word it better without directly quoting, I’m informed that each of my n1-10x abilities will contain information about (the players each time)

[ketchup777]

I don’t think I’d have the foresight to mess up my claim as scum but idk make of it what you must. I haven’t fakeclaimed

[ketchup777]

It kind of all merged into one and I was distracted by my parents shouting at each other I’m sorryyyyy

[ketchup777]

scum

KJQ

Nick/Umlaut
Hu Tao
Gypyx
NULL experience

Enchant
Jackson
me, please save me ):
town

[ketchup777]

My initial thoughts were everyone was funny informed and Experience‘s first post (to me at least but I had advantage) was so obvious of a crumb that while I initially thought town I fear it’s from scum informed there are lots of informed, or something.

[ketchup777]

idek why I’m being wagoned bro

[ketchup777]

yes. each is named differently (1-101, 1-102, 1-103) but they all work n1 onwards one per night yes

[ketchup777]

I’ll double check my role PM again rn so I haven’t been stupid but I’m 99% sure

[ketchup777]

Yeah
Im a

Village Informed JoAT (nights 1—101 activated Informed, nights 1—102 activated Informed, nights 1—103 activated Informed)

Informed that

my n1-101 ability will give me info about some of (Gyp, Hu Tao, KJQ)
my n1-102 ability will give me info about some of (Gyp, exp, nick, umlaut)
my n1-103 ability will give info about some of (Jackson, enchant)

I gtg rn for an hour walk sorry bye

[ketchup777]

this could be some sort of roundabout scum rolecop

Yeah but it’s not (:

[ketchup777]

i fully belive that the claim is real though

Who do you want to vote if you think I’m village then? Do you want to create a last minute pivot onto someone or would you consolidate on umlaut?

[ketchup777]

UNVOTE:

Waiting for omelette

thank (:

[ketchup777]

UNVOTE:

Waiting for omelette

They’ve been force-repped out no?

Unless they make it back in time before replacement is found

[ketchup777]

Enchant, do you feel my claim has helped you to sort me or not?

[ketchup777]

yeah that’s unfortunate I realise it could be a role that scum would get

ah well I’ll hope for the best

[ketchup777]

The claim is meaningless

there’s always meaning if you look hard enough maybe

[ketchup777]

wait why feel the need to out that jackson if it would come on your flip

I need to think about ketchup's reaction to jackson's early claim in this light, felt interesting how he didn't distrust it?

Yeah I thought cos last time we were all cops us all being informed in some way where we all had my role with different combos of players for the 1-shots felt plausible.

I forgot that informed info was redacted upon flip at the time btw

[ketchup777]

I just realised I shouldn’t have said what I said, lol fucking RIP

hmm don't explain why

I thought he had realised what I suspected in that every town member had funky informed roles and he shouldn’t have let scum catch on to that

[ketchup777]

Other:

We believe that this setup does

not

explicitly break the letter of the rules of normalcy, thou it most definitely does break their spirit.
Also note that (a slight variation of) this setup did pass through NRG review, and was rejected for, among other things, being too themey.
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I thought the themey thing might be cos scum would have to figure out we all had dumb informed roles

[ketchup777]

lmao truly a post of all time

[ketchup777]

i just really think you’re scum this time idk what else to say, but I’m happy to admit I might be wrong and vote elsewhere, not happy enough to lie about you being my top scumread

[ketchup777]

Nick kinda not saying much useful mefelt but I think i worked out their alt as I said and i don’t think I am ever going to get a good read on the slot if it’s who i think it is

Umlaut just kinda yeah and I’m endplayed into voting them at this point but also I’m wary someone prodgey trying to get voted out as a vengeful so now idrk

Hu Tao feels even more lurks than usual and her complaining about people townreading her when she plays less could be from scum annoyed that less effort is serving her better than trying hard.

Gypyx I thought miller thing weird with my role, because how does someone become immune to my role? I was mulling over like informed-immune or something but I don’t think that would work. But her saving grace is her being in two of my lists of activated informed maybe confirming there’s shenanigans going on there. But I’m not sure, she’s clearly much much more lurky than last time we played together but there might be genuine reasons for that so I haven’t read into that much for her slot at least.

experience hasn’t been doing much so idk on them what to say really

Enchant getting into a lot of shitty situations, probably more than he would as scum but not sure

Jackson claim just feels real. but ig his role, like mine, has the potential to be wolfy!informed. clever setup design eh

[ketchup777]

I think we still eliminate omelete. No need for a replacement.

Also scum is also informed so I think the claims of informed don't matter

yeah my one at least could def be either alignment. Jackson's I think leans town but not sure

[ketchup777]

calling while driving? so you have a habit of doing illegal things? like... murder?

/s