Mini 696 ~ Scum o' the Sea ~ Game Over

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Ahoy, me matey's!

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Guys this is pathetic. I've had to use my One-Shot Deadline-Extending ability (for being a replacement) even though I don't need it. Personally, i'd like a Goat wagon, but i'll vote Huntress if it comes down to her and EA.

Vote Goat

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Guya, you should be thanking me for extending it. If I was scum, I could have just not mentioned it and let a townie be lynched, or NL which helps scum. I have played with both EA and Goat before and that is why I think what I rhnk./

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Yeh, it's odd. Sorry for not commenting on it. He's telling the truth though. I have some infomation with my role, and what we have is a Cult and an SK, i'm pretty sure. Probably no Mafia. (Although the "scum" is probably a recruiting Mafia, but that's just basically a Cult.)

So we probably started with only 2 scum, and the SK. Either Clock was allowed to refuse as part of his role (highly likely imo) or everyone is allowed to refuse. I think it's likely there was a sucessful recruit the first night, and that we have 2 scum atm. I think a recruitee that died would reveal as something like "betrayer" or something along those lines, and that Jebus started as scum, being a Man-At-Arms.

Both night kills were by the SK.

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I'm a type of forensic investigator. I'm in charge of medical, except i'm not good at it and the ship isn't well equipped (basically), so the people just die and I find out how.

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There is a Cult because they tried to recruit you, there is an SK because he made the 2 nightkills.

Everyone should keep quiet whether they are an officer or not...Just tells scum who to recruit.

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Crywolf and Mili appear to be absent, so I would support their lynch.

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Because obviously me and CR are both mafia BSing.

I'll probably die tonight anyway so I may aswell just say. No it's not an ability I activate, I just get told. So no, roleblocking me would be fruitless.

And yeh i'm basing Cult off of his claim.

How do you know it's a SK making the kills as opposed to mafia?

Because that's what my infomation says.

I'll now happily hammer anyone. Except myself. Not when i'm a PR

I think Spring is a good prospect, that has the best chance of getting lynched.

Unvote Vote Spring

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Why?

Because NL is gay, and they are contributing towards that outcome.

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Unvote Vote Goat

That's L-1?

Goat would be my lynch of preference today, I think. Hunt/Wolf, hammer?

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Unvote Vote Huntress

There is no advantage to NL. Just lets the SK kill and Cult recruit. Only scum wants NL.

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Well tbh I don't know what I think anymore. I found your not accepting of my claim very scummy (seriously, how am I scum with this claim?)

But your explanation does kinda make sense...EA was fitting into my town view of him now i've played him a couple times but i'm not sure, but gotta make sure we get a lynch in today.

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I want a full claim from Goat.

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NL yesterday was horrible...

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I think MC is best, yeh.

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Mili, I wish you had waited for Goat before claiming that...If he scum he now has all the info he needs to fake...

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Guess that makes Goat SK. Just have to hope Cult haven't won.

Vote Goat

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Well I see where you're coming from, but I didn't really consider it because of CR backing him up...

Well i'll

Unvote

but i'm not sure I see a way EA can be scum.

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I'm kinda wanting to vote EA.

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Vote Spring

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What is it with people going on holiday at christmas?!

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Vote Goat

I believe EA.

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Hi Goat.

tl;dr

I've played with EA several times now, i've only seen him town, his plays looked similar in all imo.

I've seen you scum twice Goat and you talked lots pretty much as you are now.

EA did seem certain you were scum yesterday, and that gives credence to his claim. I could very well see Huntress as scum, however it looks like Goat is SK.

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Hi scum,

How, exactly, am I the SK with my role?

You wouldn't even know there's an SK without my claim.

Faithfully,
X

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Hmm. Just thought about something. It would appear scum have a RB. Goat confirms Mili's RB, so he must be town RB. Scum RB blocked CR. Now, we know that scum RB cannot be any of CR, EA, Mili, and i'm going to add Spring to this list as it's not the type of thing scum can claim, and I think she's town. I also know myself as town. This leaves Huntress and Goat. Now, Goat might be eliminatable from this list depending how the mod works RBers (and I think it's likely he's SK anyway). Does this make Huntress a Mafia RB? Oh, bollocks, just rembered we have Crywolf in this game...Ah, he claimed VT.

Well, I think one of those 2 has to be an RB. Am I missing something?

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I read stuff from when I replace in. Other than that I go from memory, unless I need to check something specific. I sometimes view isolations to get a preliminary opinion of players.

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And yes, CR

could

be scum, but i'm really not seeing his play from a scum standpoint, and the stuff he's claiming is just way to farfetched to be lies, imo.

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I think we probably started with an SK and a 2-man Cult, with an RB and a recruiter, and several town PR's to help figure out what the hell's going on.

And I think Cult makes great sense for a pirate ship, to reflect mutiny spreading.

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Gah! This doesn't make sense..! Jebus is dead, and appears to be a plain scum. I would find it very hard to believe a Cult started with 3. That's way to scum sided...

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I have taken a closer look at reveals, and it appears role is not revealed, only allegiance. I think it may be possible Jebus is a dead Mafia Recruiter, and we just have an RB, the SK, and maybe someone recruited on the first night. Man-at-Arms is clearly a role that began the game as scum.

Thoughts?

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There are plenty of roles that blocking would not be apparant on. Mine, Spring, any VT.

And Goat, tbh everything points to you. Mili blocked you and there's no kill, EA tracks you and is backed up by CR...

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Mod: If a Roleblocker were to block a Roleblocker, how would you hypothetically resolve this situation?

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I've looked over CR. He wants EA to claim, not be lynched. He even says he would not be happy with EA being lynched. Infact, in retrospect he make sit blindingly obvious that his result is on EA, and it all fits in very well with his claim.

And, does CR not also recieve which role? If he'd checked Jebus and got "Man-At-Arms" it would clearly be scum, no?

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Have you never played Age of Empires?

Man-At-Arms is a foot soldier, land. Unless i'm mistaked, you would not find him on a pirate ship.

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Barber. Didn't want to claim as it makes it clear i'm not an officer, and thus recruitable.

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Unvote

I can see Huntress being scum.

I guess it looks like EA is scum too...

Well, yes, we know the same person made the 2 kills.

Hmm.

Vote EA

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Guys, I think today it has to be either Goat or EA, one has to be scum, and we can't leave this hanging around.

I think it's fair to say most of you don't check in frequently, so i'd like to get opinions and the lynch sorted early rather another deadline scramble, as I can only see that ending in another NL, and we really can't afford that.

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Grr. Way to ignore my request, guys.

Can you all make your votes in your next posts, please? We only got like 3 days.

Anyway, here is my proof for EA being scum:

First, I need to make some assumptions. I think they are fair.
Assumption #1: Neither Goat or EA would lie as town.
Assumption #2: Potates did not return after his one post.
Assumption #3: Goat would not be targetting his scumbuddy.

EA's claim: Goat targetted Jebus on N2.
Goat denies this. So one of the two must be scum, by #1. By #3, this makes EA's claim equivalent to calling Goat SK, whom I have infomation killed Jebus on N2. I also have imfomation that this same SK (the role) killed Tekkactus on N1. By #2, we have a contradiction, as there was no-one around to submit this kill.

By #1 again, this makes EA scum.
QED

My third assumption may not be readily accepted by everyone, but I am happy to believe that someone new to the site who only makes one post, does not return to submit an action 4 days later and disappear again. That's not what flaking newbies do.

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Tbh I think Huntress is the SK and doesn't want another person cleared of it. It's either her ot Wolf at this point.

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Confuzzled.

CR, anything?

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Given how Goat and I expressed our suspicion yesterday, I would have hoped he blocked Huntress last night...Do you think this is a fair assumption?

Thing is, that would kinda clear Huntress, which would beg the question, "who the hell is scum?"

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Just so you know, yes I do have info on kills, but i'd like to let everyone else check in before I say anything.

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When I read this, I jumped to the conclusion that Crywolf had been the SK as she wasn't described as either loyal or mutinous. Goat and Springlullaby: You both seem to be assuming that she wasn't the SK. Have I missed something here?

I read it the same way as the other 2. Although it is possible.

But I think "indifferent to the ships poloitics" sounds like a survivor who can win with both to me.

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The only thing Goat has that doesn't point to him being SK is the N1 absence thing.

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Although, upon further thought, CW could have been SK...Cos I was thinking...How

would

the SK show up? And actually, the SK probably is indifferent to the ships politics, he justs wants everyone dead.

Do we think CW was SK? Mili was the SK's kill, so could have been.

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The boy who is in charge of bringing the gunner the gunpowder is referred to as a powder monkey.

Actually, this doesn't really sound like an SK...

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I just noticed something I had previously missed. I might say some more about this after I think about it.

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Bloody hell. I'm such a retard. I think I know who the SK is. Need to ponder this a bit more though.

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Grr. How many different things is it possible to miss? I am steadily becoming more and more confused.

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Ythill is a bastard mod.

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Mod: Your pirate fact is wrong. Blackbeard was British, from Bristol.

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But I don't understand why EA would lie about that. If he was lying, surely Cult are on the brink of victory?

My top suspect right now would probably be CR. I, too, find him checking Goat kinda odd.

SL's claim I find hard to see as scum. Could be recruited, I guess.

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Also, i'll elaborate on what I said earlier. Somewhat.

Basically, the mod has indirectly implied to me who the SK is, as part of my night action PM. But I suspect he's trying to mislead me.

If everyone could look over their PM's, and elaborate on their claim in any way, this may help.

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Well one thing I don't get is why cult would even want to kill CW last night.

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It'd be nice to hear from some of the others.

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That's all you have to say?

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Yeh i'm starting to think that too. This recruitation buisness could be a fake claim to try and look good. Being able to choose whether or not you can be recruited sounds way dodgy, too. And if he was blocked that means Cult have an RB...

Huntress, could you answer my question?

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Ok. I'd like the same from SL and CR.

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The lack of Mafia having a kill is wierd though...

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I'll say everything i've got after CR.

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That's true. He could be maf though, and made up the whole Cult thing.

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Ok.

Tekkactus, Jebus, Mili were killed with Posion - This implicates SL, though she claimed Buther's Hook.

CW was Marlin Spiked. Huntress, do you have anyhting to say about that?

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I find Huntress's over-defensivness, and accusation against me quite suspicion. We already know more than one person has claimed possesion of a Marlin Spike, and I would expect a townie to go down that route.

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We already know someone is lying, because of the poison.

And you're wrong, Gremwell, confirmed town, claimed a Marlin Spike. I actually wasn't seeing as a point against you, but I don't like this reaction at all.

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If Gremwell hadn't claimed that I would have been very suspicious of you for it. But the fact there are multiple shows there's something fishy going on. On top of that, I expect scum to have fakeclaims (clearly the SK has already faked).

I was taking it a a towntell infact, as I don't think scum would be stupid enough to claim that and then kill with it, especially when my role was largely public...

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I was taking it a a towntell infact, as I don't think scum would be stupid enough to claim that and then kill with it, especially when my role was largely public...

I don't think anyone understood how your role worked. I for one had no idea. I thought you were told information along the lines of "This kill was made by the SK. This other kill was made by the Mafia." It's entirely possible Huntress claimed her kill weapon completely unaware of the implications of her doing so.

Springlullaby: Why did you think I was cult instead of SK after EA claimed his role information on me?

Well whoever's been poisoning kept it quiet.

Here's an idea. Perhaps it's a cult, but they can't kill until they recruit someone who can kill. Perhaps a recruited common sailor can kill with their Marlin Spike, and Huntress claimed before she was recruited?

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Goat, what do you think of this. Lynch SL, and if she's telling the truth, she can prevent her own lynch.

Seeing as Cult/Mafia/Scum-Entity killed last night, I doubt they can recruit any more.

Oh, I also have reason to believe there was an attenpt on CR's life the night we didn't have any kills. I don't know by whom or what method though, unfortunately.

It's still plausable that CW was the SK, I guess. I looked it up, and Powder Monkeys got pretty shoddy treatment on Pirate Ships.

Maybe this makes Huntress the better lynch?

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Hmm, yeh good point. Tbh i've been expecting to get recruited. Been pleasantly surprised. This supports my theory of Jebus being recruiter.

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She never claimed one. From the way she acted, I think she was either the SK, or she believed she was a VT. Otherwise her actions around Gremwell make little sense.

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Oh, and with CR I used a One-Shot Protection I didn't tell you guys I had on him that night, and I highly suspect I prevented a kill from someone...

Started to regret doing it later...

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Yeh, I didn't think there was any point in revealing that part of my role, and I recall not doing it the day after because I wasn't worried it would make people find me more scummy (I was suspected at the time). But now, I think it's important to get that out.

Anyway that's all my cards on the table.

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Sigh I don't know. It's just adds another possibility, I tried to think of a way to rule it out but couldn't. This game has already confused the hell out fo me.

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I didn't. Past tense, they have kept quiet.

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Yeh that's the main reason I haven't voted Huntress...But not sure who to think as scum...

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Who do you trust CR me or confirmed scum?

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I specifically asked the mod, it would not have caused you to be blocked.

Scum could have RB, and with only 1 scum left can't kill and block.

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EA did make a convincing argument but I think we can dismiss him as having lied. I don't believe he was a Tracker. In this game, people are directly informed if they are blocked. EA said he didn't get a result, this implies he was blocked, but is wrong. This means he was lieing at minimum about his N1, but likely the whole thing imo.

Vote Huntress

Goat are you waiting for my permission or something?

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Because when I voted it wasn't like that at all, the rest of you waited right up to the last minute to place your votes, at which time I was not around.

Huntress had a chance to hammer Goat over EA and didn't, do you think this is significant?

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Unvote

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Oh I thought what you quoted was 4 to lynch my bad.

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I read you as town too Spring, which is why I said I thought the mod was trying to mislead me with the poison thing. That Grem having a Spike.

Vote Huntress

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*and

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No i'm town

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If that was Ythill's thoughts when he made this setup, I think that's a really sweet idea.

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if I get NKed, keep in mind that Clockwork cannot possibly be the serial killer. Xtoxm can possibly be the serial killer, but it is extremely unlikely.

I'm hoping the game will end with this lynch, but if it doesn't i'm pretty sure it'll be me getting the kill...

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Ythill has declared his status. I've PMed him to let him know we've reached a lynch.

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K, i'm p much ready to shank SL with you Goat. She seems to hve abandoned the game, and randomed on to CR (who, ftr, has flaked from all his games...)

He was poisoned but that's to be expected...

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Oh, shit. You're SK, and have that power? Gay.

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And seeing as i've made a save, and we double scum lynched, that means town has been fucked ever since that NL...

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Not really. If you had lynched SL first and Huntress second, you would have won easily.

No, cos she'd have just used her power if we tried to lynch her. Would have gone to night, 2 more scum kills...

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Only if one of you killed the other scum, which never happens when scum know the other scum.

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Lol, that was easier than I expected, I thought the CL was still alive, and had to make the right decision upon killing Goat or Xtoxm to avoid being killed myself as I had prime kill power.

Like I said...Man-At-Arms is a land unit.

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She beat me and i've been on here all day, revising for my exam tomorrow...Though I don't think the mechanic should work like that anyway...

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I'm disappointed. I thought we had the game wrapped up yesterday. I figured Xtoxm would get NKed and then I would be able to fairly easily convince Clockwork to vote for SL.

I'll wait until I see the setup, but 3 mafia with the possibility of recruitment + SK + neutral survivor seems pretty harsh for the town to overcome.

Huntress, why did you shoot Crywolf?

Yeh, it does seem pretty harsh, (I think it's 1 CR, 1 SK, 1 Surv) I guess if CR dies early it's incredibly town sided, and there were a fair few officers...Me, EA, you, Mili, CR...Traitorous bastard EA, town coulda won if he'd stayed...

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Oh yeh...Well, pretty much my thoughts too, plus I thought CW may have been SK given the semi-reveal.

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I did think the MM lynch was bad in the sense I thought he was town, but I didn't read anyhting from it and it's understandable, I didn't realise the extent of the rescrition. He was either designed as a mislynch (almost certainly on D1), or unintentionally became, and I don't like that at all - Apart from any balance issues, it's not fair on the player that gets it...I think restrictions should be in some way workable...

I don't agree with the lynch SK before Cult thing, you should always want to get rid of Cult before an SK. I think that was the right desicion.

Used my action to early? I strongly disagree. It was, like N3 or N4, that is hell late for a town one shot ability to be using it. I guess Mili was trying to protect me with the RB, not realising i'd lose the ability. I didn't realise I would ahve losed an ability in that scenario either, the way you said it worked in the PM. I thought of it as a kind of morning thing, not an action at all.

Given how many roles there were in this game that I hate, I really enjoyed it...Survivor, SK, and CR's (the mafia here i'd call a cult, with EA as leader). I'll be honest, if i'd been recruited in Huntress's position, I would not have reacted well. Probably something like "fuck that I got recrutied last night".

Yeh the NL was horrible...I think that just came about cos too many of the players were too inactive...SL, Mili, CW all have low contributive lurky playstyles. I don't think a harsh NL forcing unextendable deadline like that was necessary, especially with how much NL hurts town in this game...Overall I do think it was very hard for town to win this, and the game did start with 4 scum...I don't care what you say, Surv is anti-town scum.

Given the types of roles there were, especially a Cult, I think it would have helped town to have full reveals...Cults are deadly enough when they're public from the start...Though I guess only 2 or 3 were recruitable...

I disagree with the mechanic in SL's role; I think it should be implemantable after a hammer, I find a rush to post first or similar situations wuite farcical, and i'm ultimatley glad SL beat us to it, given she had the ability.

I didn't intend for this post to be full of criticism, but I think it's turned out that way...I'm just giving my views on it...I may or may not be skewed in certain ascepts by the fact I lost, and I

hate

losing when I get into something and really want to win it.

I'd like to reiterate that, while it was on, I did really enjoy this game, definatley the most i've enjoyed a mafia game in a long time...But ultimately losing takes some of the fun out for me...Atleast for the time being until I get over it anyways.

Xtoxm, look up pirate crew and/or pirate officers on google. Man-at-arms is a naval title as well as a land-based one. On land, it is a synonym for soldier though it often suggests a mercenary rather than a loyalist. On ship, it is the keeper of the powder key.

Ah ok. I actually did use several Pirate dictionary's to look up what kind of roles were/what to expect, and I didn't find a M-A-A anywhere, along with the fact that in Age of Empires the M-A-A is a unit producable at the Barracks, a decidely land foot soldier...

Although the reminding me of this has given me an idea to to maybe run an AoE game sometime...Dunno how i'd base it around though, or if it's too late seeing as the game came out in like 1996 or something...But I love AoE2!!

Also, this is the biggest single post i've made in ages, and it's not even in game, lol.

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Oh, and I was planning to use just pirate talk when I replaced in, but I scrapped it...I think I recall the game being in a crucial postion, and I had a lot to say...Shame

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I should be revising instead of doing this...

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Oh, anf forgot to say - I like the beefing up of the SK. (Priority of actions, and the extra ability) The reason I don't like them, is cos they're just a second one man mafia, that just have the odds stacked against them...It wasn't so much so here. So that's my main opinions...Parrot softer PR, no Surv. Not sure what to say about the Cult cos I just hate recruitability as a whole, But I think makes sense from a setup and balance perspective.

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I am interested to know what people think of the barber-mate combo in place of a cop. It had its drawbacks, but I thought it did the job of giving town a really big advantage if the two players found a way to work together. I know Goat commented on this ingame, but I'd still like to read people's opinions.

Mentioned this whne G brought it up - I think it's a really sweet idea.

Also, did anyone catch the flavor clue about the SK's one-shot power? One of the rules said something about not drinking the captain's rum. What loyal crewman would have the ability to make everyone drink it?

Yeh I read it, thought nothing, I didn't even think about trying to find clues in that, assumed you wouldn't have. That's generally how it goes.

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I didn't think of Ninja's, I thought it was someone forced to work on the ship against their will...I know this was very common in the days of pirating.