Sushi Mafia! Game Over

[Green Crayons]

Catching up on the next page I notice a lot of people would rather vote for me being honest as opposed to posting some BS excuse that I can't read a forum thread of a few pages and will do so in several days from now. Pathetic.

So why were you actively lurking?

[ortolan]

Ouch, big post.

First I would like to hear why you choose to FoS and keep your random vote instead of actually voting, and why you think this is pro town.

Well, I don't have anything to say about this except a barely acceptable meta defense; so I'll just say I'm slow with my votes and thank you for reminding me.

Unvote

Not liking the MK bandwagon

Unvote

I see his comment about jesters as stupid/newb rather than scummy, thus it is a scumtell. I did the same in RealTime mafia when I was town (and newb).

A) He joined in march. That isn't exactly "newb" territory anymore.
B) If we all had the mentality of "it was a stupid mistake!", we would never get anywhere.
C) It isn't a null-tell because you've done it as town. If there was a bit more sarcasm there, and he made it obvious it was a joke (which he made obvious it wasn't), I could see it. But when it comes right down to it, it s a scumtell.

I completely agree and

FoS ortolan

for the meta defense.

What is scummy here?

Four things.

Firstly, the obvious fact you appeal to meta and then attack me for using it.

Secondly, you Unvote at the beginning of your post, express suspicion of me but then fail to vote me. To paraphrase roflcopter, FoSing someone while not at least voting someone else (rather than simply voting the person) is scummy as all hell. It indicates a desire to attack the person while not being associated with their bandwagon.

Thirdly, if analysed this argument is getting into the realms of severe improbability.
The only scum motivation for MK having brought up RBT being a jester is that he is his scumbuddy trying to prevent him being lynched by suggesting he is a jester. The only motivation I have for defending MK on bad grounds is that I am his scumbuddy. Already hugely unlikely, unless you're arrogant enough to think you can catch 3 scum like that (and if you don't think all 3 of us are scum together you don't have *any* argument against us, because nothing else explains RBT's and then my response.)

Fourthly (and this isn't as big a scumtell in and of itself) you've basically deferred to Flameaxe's reasoning here. Coupled with you FoSing rather than voting me this very much looks like you want to attack me while not looking like you're attacking me so that you're not associated with my lynch when I flip town.

Vote hp [leaves]

And yes I'm sorry if I look lurky in this game- I got accused of the same in Election Mafia because the posts are big and hard to digest and I often (wrongly) favour posting in games where doing so takes less effort.

[Green Crayons]

Can I ask the mod a favor and put the numerals for each deadline in the thread title (or some other easy to find place)? My life operates on day numbers (as opposed to day names or something akin to that) and it would help me greatly to be able to have a quick reference as to when deadlines are approaching and how much time between the now and then remains.

Many thanks if you oblige.

[DrippingGoofball]

Catching up on the next page I notice a lot of people would rather vote for me being honest as opposed to posting some BS excuse that I can't read a forum thread of a few pages and will do so in several days from now. Pathetic.

So you were being honest about having nothing to say, but being willing to hammer anybody.

Great!

[Simenon]

Vote Count

Microphone_Kirby (7)- OhGodMyLife, Sipylus, Green Crayons, Jebus, Talitha, Azhrei, hp [leaves]
Santos (5)- Seraphim, sirdanilot, DrippingGoofball, Hybris, Sentata, Slicey
OhGodMyLife (2)- Microphone_Kirby, Riceballtail
Seraphim (1)- CounselWolf
raider8169 (1)- Septia,
Alvinz95 (1)- Flameaxe
Flameaxe (1)- raider8169
Pear Bear (1)- Plum
hp [leaves] (1)- ortolan

Not Voting (Santos, alvinz95, Pear Bear)

It has come to my attention that my "not voting" column is woefully inaccurate. I apologize for the inconvenience.

13 to lynch. 5 days.

Yesterday's prods, today!

[raider8169]

Yeah was thinking he would post something explaining something as too why he is willing to hammer but nothing else. That goes beyond lurking.

Unvote, Vote Santos

[Simenon]

Prodding alvinz95, Flameaxe

Sipylus has not picked up his prod and will be replaced.

[Riceballtail]

I still think OGML is clearly scum, but I think this Santos wagon a) has merit and b) will actually go somewhere today

Unvote; Vote:Santos

[OhGodMyLife]

Raider, M_K scumpair is making itself obvious.

[Plum]

My apologies for having a hard-ish time concentrating enough on this game.

Having said that, I'm intrigued by the case on Santos, and I'm actually rather liking it. If you'll recall I voted Pear Bear in my last post for lurking and stating that his random vote on MK had become more than random and he was going to leave it on to see what would happen. I didn't really truck with that, asked him a few questions, and voted.

PB responded to me, at least, acknowledged that lurking like that wasn't a good idea, oddly said that MK's apparent psudeo-rolefishing might have been pro-town (WTH, though I didn't see it as a huge scumtell either), and unvoted. A decent response showing common sense, at least, though it's not like I'm putting him in my obvtown book any time soon.

Santos, on the other hand, said that

Yes, I am semi-lurking, but I am not hesitating to post; I just don't have much to add at the moment as most of the discussion usually works itself out. I'm in no hurry to lynch anyone: If a decision needs to be made, then I don't mind being the deciding vote...

Which, in Sirdan's words, roughly translates to 'I'll active lurk but don't worry I don't mind to hammer at deadline!' That's worse than PB, and PB at least stopeed doing the anti-town, scummy thing he was doing, which is a plus. Active lurking and a professed willingness to hammer as he pleases without contributing to discussion and just letting discussion 'work itself out' (protip: One more townie in a discussion is, generally, a good thing, etc.) is a very decent scumtell, and a much more clear one than I've seen out of MK, PB, seraphim, RBT, or OGML, though I would like to do a reread or at least a rescan of OGML later (tis later on my end of the internet). See DGB and Sirdan for more elaboration. Consider me to be quoting them for truth, as it were.

Catching up on the next page I notice a lot of people would rather vote for me being honest as opposed to posting some BS excuse that I can't read a forum thread of a few pages and will do so in several days from now. Pathetic.

Nice lack of legit defense. I don't care that it's the tuth so much as that the behavior which you admit is true is scummy. The defense here is truly pathetic. MK sort of seems to agree that the 'people are only voting me for being honest defense' is at least in his case legit. Voting someone for being honest is never wrong; it's a question of whether the behavior in question is scummy/warrants a vote or not.

Unvote; Vote: Santos

[Talitha]

That is a pretty strange post from Santos. But I had a quick look at another game he played, and he played pretty strangely in that too. (Claiming scum, as scum.)

I guess I could vote him for being useless and not obviously town.

I am second guessing myself on the M-K vote, partially because I agreed with him when he said "it's usually Townies getting lynched for showing such "scum-tells"

What the heck.

unvote: M_K
vote: Santos

I could flip back though, because I've learnt that my first suspicion is often the one I should've stuck with.

[Talitha]

I would also like to remind myself to look at hp [leaves] more closely.

[hp [leaves]]

What is scummy here?

Four things.

Firstly, the obvious fact you appeal to meta and then attack me for using it.

Secondly, you Unvote at the beginning of your post, express suspicion of me but then fail to vote me. To paraphrase roflcopter, FoSing someone while not at least voting someone else (rather than simply voting the person) is scummy as all hell. It indicates a desire to attack the person while not being associated with their bandwagon.

Thirdly, if analysed this argument is getting into the realms of severe improbability.
The only scum motivation for MK having brought up RBT being a jester is that he is his scumbuddy trying to prevent him being lynched by suggesting he is a jester. The only motivation I have for defending MK on bad grounds is that I am his scumbuddy. Already hugely unlikely, unless you're arrogant enough to think you can catch 3 scum like that (and if you don't think all 3 of us are scum together you don't have *any* argument against us, because nothing else explains RBT's and then my response.)

Fourthly (and this isn't as big a scumtell in and of itself) you've basically deferred to Flameaxe's reasoning here. Coupled with you FoSing rather than voting me this very much looks like you want to attack me while not looking like you're attacking me so that you're not associated with my lynch when I flip town.

Vote hp [leaves]

And yes I'm sorry if I look lurky in this game- I got accused of the same in Election Mafia because the posts are big and hard to digest and I often (wrongly) favour posting in games where doing so takes less effort.

I think you misunderstood me. When replying to sirdanilot, I was saying I wasn't going to defend myself because I all had to protect myself was a meta defense.

On the vote/fos thing, I think I should change my playstyle a bit.

I like the pressure on Santos; but I don't think he's that scummy to have another vote on.

Unvote, Vote OGML

[DrippingGoofball]

The above is a very important post, and vote. If Santos flips scum, hp[leaves] has a heightened probability of being Santos' buddy.

[DrippingGoofball]

...given that the risk of putting Santos at minus one only means that he'll have to claim. hp [leaves] may be trying to keep Santos out of claiming range.

However, hp [leaves] switched from the main competing wagon (MK) to Santos, so that's a little less damning.

[raider8169]

Raider, M_K scumpair is making itself obvious.

Guess not obvious enough as I dont see it but feel free not to explain more

[Slicey]

Raider, M_K scumpair is making itself obvious.

I really, really don't see this. Elaborate please.

Also, you still seem to be pushing hard for an MK lynch. The Santos case is IMHO much better. The MK case was okay considering it is only Day 1, but Santos is basically screaming "Lynch me, I'm scum!"

Honestly, I'm finding you much more scummy than MK right now.

[sirdanilot]

This santos bandwagon is not only awesome because santos is probably scum, just look at the huge amount of information on the bandwagon itself. DGB, I don't really see your point why hp west in particular would be so extremely scummy when Santos flips scum. Nor OGML's raider/MK scum pair. In fact, day 1 scum pair fishing? Isn't that pretty much useless? Because we don't know any alignment yet.

[Microphone_Kirby]

Nice lack of legit defense. I don't care that it's the tuth so much as that the behavior which you admit is true is scummy. The defense here is truly pathetic.

MK sort of seems to agree that the 'people are only voting me for being honest defense' is at least in his case legit.

Voting someone for being honest is never wrong; it's a question of whether the behavior in question is scummy/warrants a vote or not.

Legit... maybe, but a very, verrrrrry weak defense as the should've symbolized. It can be destroyed with a single breath of air.

FoS: Santos

Consider this an ultimatum, Santos: you have one day or one chance to explain why you'd just lurk-hammer anyone that goes L-1 and explain any current suspicions you have against anyone here.
Or else... that FoS can

easily

turn into a Vote, you know...

Raider, M_K scumpair is making itself obvious.

[OhGodMyLife]

Seriously guys,

why

aren't we lynching M_K?

[raider8169]

Seriously guys,

why

aren't we lynching M_K?

Because Santos admited that he is willing to hammer and nothing else. I think that saved M_K a day.

[DrippingGoofball]

This santos bandwagon is not only awesome because santos is probably scum, just look at the huge amount of information on the bandwagon itself. DGB, I don't really see your point why hp west in particular would be so extremely scummy when Santos flips scum.

I realized I might have rushed to judgment, see my post #264 on this very page.

[Santos]

I guess no one got the hint that i am basically a plain townie, but can only deliver the deciding lynch vote, if i am going to vote at all today. And as you can see, i have not voted yet because i cannot or i will be modkilled.

[Microphone_Kirby]

I guess no one got the hint that i am basically a plain townie, but can only deliver the deciding lynch vote, if i am going to vote at all today. And as you can see, i have not voted yet because i cannot or i will be modkilled.

... OK. That slows me down a bit. At least you

seem

to have a legit reason for hammering... So why lurk? Do you really have no opinion on

anything

that transpired???

[Santos]

Not really. That is why I had no problem dropping the hint earlier that I have a restriction.