Mafia 82: International (Game Over)

[Lowell]

Oh yeah, you got Lowell. Hi all.

I have an hour or so to kill at the moment. I'm going to try to read through quickly and tell you all the people who need killing.

[Lowell]

All right all right I know you miss me. Calm down. Have to maintain a presence everywhere or I'll get replaced. Here I go...

[Lowell]

25- BM writes constitution
26- anarchist korts rebels, individuals rule, federals drool
30s-236- discussion rages over pact, BM/Korts/Opposed force
237- game finally opens.... wow
250s- Untitled (w/ Stranger) vs. BM (w/ Peter Griffin, nhat, cephir & cass)
276- nhat votes untitled for claiming pro-town. [huh???]
289- cyber votes netlava [good post]
300s- nhat defends his position, "too townie" scumtell
312- untitled leads w/ 4 votes (cerebus, PGriffin, nhat, cephir)
337- good post from netlava
361- nhat leads w/ 6 votes (earthworm, veronica, cephir, PG, EA, armlx)
362- strange vote for nhat from animorph
368- has enters, votes dynamo for post 58
373- veronica misses BM
370s- argument between cyber and nhat
385- nhat votes for EA for flimsy votehopping
387- cass joins nhat bandwagon
389- armlx jumps off bandwagon
391- armlx votes dynamo
401- dynamo votes EA
402- cephir votes EA [looks like trying to drive away from dynamo]
404- netlava votes cass for creating diversion [odd]
412- BM votes SC
428- nhat leads w/ 5 votes (earthworm, PG, EA, animorph, Cass)
430- cris posts full list on all players
432- SC votes BM [omgusy]
446- opposed votes Cass for attacking "flimsy cases"
452- earthworm points out cephir's voteshifting
454- EA defends himself from nhat's case [decent]
456- SC votes EA, posts full player list [good]
464- nhat (PG, EA, animorph, cass) and EA (nhat, dynamo, cephir, SC) tied w/ 4 votes
467- mafiamann lists all of BMs posts [why?]
469- cephir responds to earthworms criticism's, pushes EA bandwagon more
471- Snaps_the_pirate votes SC for "not saying much" [lame]
524- animorph claims to know mafiamann's role [odd]
546- dynamo wants to know how animorph knows [scummy]
551- nhat (Lowell, EA, animporph, cass) and EA (nhat, dynamo, cephir, SC) lead w/ 4 votes
555- EA votes armlx, makes good point about post 524 being not so bad
571- BM votes dynamo
576- nhat protests nutriding [he's jealous]
578- SC votes animorph

Some thoughts:

First off, I'm torn about what to make of the active pregamers. On the one hand, people getting in the fray early and often tend to be town. On the other, pregame would be a perfect time to assert oneself as "active" without having to fear any real repercussions. Still, for their pregame actions, I'm inclined to think that both

BM

and

opposed force

are

town

.

untitled

is

town

as well. He gets points for bravely taking on the heavy poster (BM) for legitimate reasons as soon as the game opened. Those that rallied to BM's side in the argument, particularly

cephir

and

cass

, come off slightly

scummy

. Taking BM's side there is just a little too convenient.

Here are a few other players, listed in the order I thought of them.

nhat

- is too insistent on his defense of the "too townie" comment. Whether he believes it or not, it looks like he's trying to protect everything he says from future use against him. He loses points for siding with BM. Slightly

scummy

, but he's been active and aggressive enough that he's nowhere near my top suspect.

earthworm

- newbie, but looks

town

mostly based on post 452. I don't agree with the arguments he's made, but he looks pro-town nonetheless.

cephir

- I'm not a huge fan of him this game. post 469 in particular looks very

scummy

. He takes earthworm's critique that he vote-hops too much (an argument that, btw, hadn't really received any traction or attention anywhere else), quasi-refutes it, and then, for good measure, inserts a few lines about how happy he is with his

current

vote on EA.

mafiamann

- slight

scum

vibe on him. He's also newbish, but his strange interaction with BM in the 470s-480s makes me think he's too willing to take on a fight... as if he was EXPECTING the time to happen when BM called him out on something.

EA

- I like post 555, and he hasn't panicked under scrutiny the way I've seen him do as scum. His posts have been decent and his defense in 454 is solid. Combined with the fact that those voting for him are scummy, I feel comfortable reading him as

town

.

dynamo

- post 546 is bad. Also, as much as trying to connect players on D1 is useless... allow me to try to connect players on D1. In the 390s mild pressure was beginning to build on dynamo. Cephir jumped in and voted with dynamo to sustain the pressure on EA. This looks a bit like a diversion to me. I'll mark dynamo as

scummy

hasdgfas

- I haven't found his lengthy summary posts particularly useful (ironic, I suppose), and the timing of them makes it look like he's following public opinion after the fact (specifically his suspicions of dynamo and townread on BM, and the way he pulled off his EA suspicions as the wagon was dying down in post 559). He's very

scum

my.

unvote, vote hasdgfas

. I'd happily vote dynamo as well, but I'm slightly surer about this and would like to see if there's any support here instead.

nb- don't be offended if I didn't mention you by name. These are just players I've got preliminary reads on.

[Lowell]

unvote, vote cass

. Why is cass still talking about "the pact"? It's a totally meaningless diversion.

[Lowell]

I like those jumping on the Cass wagon (it's a good one), but post 625 is weak.

More votes for dynamo would be in order as well. He's been talked about a lot for someone with only 3 votes. Just seems strange.

[Lowell]

@Lowell, why is it weak?

I'm interested in this as well.

I like how Lowell also says that Dynamo is mentioned a lot and has few votes, but in doing so mentions him and doesn't vote/

Yeah yeah I realize the hypocrisy. Problem is I really like the Cass wagon as well.

Korts' post seemed like a stretch. Looks like he wants on the wagon but can't really think of why, so he made something up. I highly doubt anyone would FOSbus a scumbuddy who only had 1 vote, when 12 are required for lynch.

[Lowell]

^^^^^ ditto that. Bad weekend for me.

[Lowell]

unvote, vote dynamo

. Dynamo's last post cements it for me. That said, 740 is incredibly opportunisitic. The Cass case should be looked at again regardless of how this one turns out.

[Lowell]

Um, pretty sure I did this in my last post, but I guess it didn't take.

unvote, vote dynamo

[Lowell]

Back. Will read and get my act together.

[Lowell]

Replaced in a new game and had to spend some time reading that one. Neglect will stop soon, I promise.

[Lowell]

Internet down at work, and I have no internet at home. I'm at the library right now, but everyone smells like diapers so I won't stay long.

I'll keep you posted on my status, but expect full return by early next week.

[Lowell]

Give me a couple days to get back into this.

[Lowell]

FOS BM, Cass

I reread the pages around the dynamo lynch. I'm not overly thrilled with BMs posts on page 38. He does some slight derailment of the dynamo lynch, which wouldn't be a big deal except that clearly dynamo was searching for some allies. Later he uses the "... in case I end up dead" phrase in twilight, which always raises alarm bells to me.

I'm not a fan of Cass' 988 and 1022. Again, phrases like "... I honestly thought he'd flip scum" are suspicious. The timing of the FOS on Netlava (his biggest threat) looks bad. A wagon has started (with reasons given) for the attacks on Netlava... so I'm not sure what Cass is waiting for. It looks like a slow-roll to what will eventually be a vote, without trying to look too jumpy and OMGUSy.

[Lowell]

vote cass

. 1095 doesn't make me feel better about her.

[Lowell]

creams' defense of netlava is strange. It almost warrants a vote, tbh.

[Lowell]

Still here. I apologize, RL is eating me for lunch this week.

I'll elaborate on the cass case when I get a chance to organize my thoughts and a post. I remember wishing I had done more prior to N1 to explain it.

As per Netlava, I could live with his lynch.

cyberbob

makes my town list. I've been leaning this way for awhile, and his observation about the netlava wagon is right on. I feel there's a derailment-by-inertia happening. Those ignoring netlava ought to at least make their opinions known.

[Lowell]

Lowell, what is your definition of "fine with" a lynch?

Well, I said "live with"... so there.

I mean he's not going to make my "town list" anytime soon, but he's not a top target either.

[Lowell]

@Karne- yes, cass would be a better lynch

@cass- what, exactly, about "bolding names" makes you paranoid?

@all others- the above post by cass is so wickedly scummy it hurts

[Lowell]

I feel that Cass was borderline appealing to emotion in her last post. Reading it, though, I can't exactly find what gives me that feeling...

^^^^ this is a sense I get from a lot of her posts. There's a certain... badness... to them that's hard to explain. Which isn't to say I won't try.

[Lowell]

RL still getting me down. I'm reading and doing my best to follow along.

[Lowell]

Starting way back on page 27:

667- Cass leads with 5 votes (netlava, veronica, opposedforce, Lowell, korts)
671- markfg votes dynamo for rolefishing
706- cass still with 5, dynamo (armlx, BM, hasdg, markfg) and armlx with 4
728- sineish votes cass for avoiding suspicion for voting habits [very town]
734- korts unvotes cass, votes dynamo
740- cass votes dynamo for buddying with armlx [easiest target]
743- Lowell unvotes cass, votes dynamo, calls 740 opportunistic
748- dynamo leads with 6 votes, cass has 5
749- citizen karne thinks dynamo is "poorly playing town", FOS armlx, says he's prepared to vote dynamo [scummy]
751- earthworm votes dynamo
752- raider votes dynamo for rolefish
753- strangercoug votes dynamo for inconsistent play, appeals to emotion
754- netlava gets newb feel from dynamo, calls him innocent [scummy]
762- cephir votes dynamo, wants a claim [townish]
763- dynamo has 11 votes, cass 4
767- nhat votes dynamo for not defending himself, 12 votes [townish]
772- netlava says he'll wait to see what others do [scummy]
775- EA calls dynamo town, tells him to try harder [scummy, coaching]
799- netlava votes dynamo
801- cass shows up to say she agrees still [odd]
803- sineish unvotes, votes dynamo
819- cream has second thoughts, thinks dynamo is town, tells him not to self-hammer [strangely town]
822- cephir unvotes dynamo
828- BM votes EA
830- nhat unvotes dynamo, votes netlava for not explaining vote [scummy]
832- strangercoug agrees, unvotes, votes netlava
834- cream votes netlava
837- cass FOSs netlava [why no vote?]
848- dynamo leads w/ 10 votes, all others 2 or less
854- netlava admits he doesnt think dynamo is scum, votes cass for her reaction
870- citizen karne wants to set up multiple lynches [scummy]
880- dynamo down to 9 votes
882- SC revotes dynamo
906- karne votes dynamo
923- nhat votes dynamo
927- cyberbob votes dynamo, criticizes others for "dithering" [good]
933- korts votes dynamo, agrees with karne [strange...]
935- dynamo self-hammers
936- korts is outraged
945- cass "hopes" dynamo is scum and asserts that she doesn't "regret" her vote [very scummy]
956- dynamo flips town; EA, roleblocker, dies N1
964- has votes netlava
985- cyberbob votes netlava for waiting for others' approval [good]
988- cass FOSs korts, agrees with everything [scummy]
993- SC votes netlava
1000- netlava votes cass
1002- armlx votes netlava for not responding to case against him
1014- netlava leads w/ 5 votes (has, cyber, nhat, strangercoug, armlx)
1019- sineish votes netlava for voting for dynamo despite not thinking he was scum
1021- blakadder votes netlava for same reasons
1022- cass FOSs netlava, but says there are a whole list of people she wants to look at first
1027- BM votes armlx
1048- netlava leads with 7 votes
1056- netlava explains himself, calls vote no big deal [good]
1065- korts votes skruffs
1077- korts votes cass
1095- cass votes blakadder, believes netlava's explanation [good]
1102- SC votes korts
1103- Lowell votes cass
1178- netlava leads w/ 6 votes
1227- raider votes netlava for not explaining himself
1232- karne points out cass' scumminess [good]
1240- skruffs votes armlx for odd playstyle
1264- SC votes korts

Some thoughts:

1) I'm not on board with the

netlava

wagon. I don't think voting for someone for expediency is necessarily a bad thing. Several other players have said almost as much at various times in this game alone. At deadline, it's sometimes necessary to bend to the will of others rather than be stubborn and allow nothing to get done. As well, I liked post 1056. He explained himself calmly and with more or less what I was thinking as I read along. His posts read much better than I remember overall.

2) Other players I've been impressed with are

sineish

(His 728 was right on the money, and even his vote for dynamo in post 803 is good at the time),

citizen karne

(I found 870 scummy but in light of D2 posts I read it as a sort of newbish town play),

stranger coug

(he has varied his attacks and hasn't dodged the big-posters. Particularly his vote against korts is a good one), and

cream

(his behavior around the dynamo lynch strikes me as authentic, particularly 819).

3)

korts

comes off bad in reread. 933 is strange. He agrees with Karne's previous post that people have equivocated too much over dynamo, but HE had been one of the one equivocating. It looks like he wanted permission to vote, which is odd for so experienced a player. As well, his INSTANT rage at dynamo (936)for self-hammering looks very odd. It's only bad if he's town, and since korts VOTED for him, I'm not sure why such a reaction was necessary.

FOS korts

4) Still, the best case to be made is against

cass

. Her tentativeness throughout is jarring. In 740 she attacks the easiest target (dynamo) when she's under duress. 801 is bizairre, and 837 looks like a blatant attempt to join in an attack on a new target without actually voting. 988 is bad, as cass shows up just to agree with pretty much everything said before her (again, without committing to an actual vote that she'd have to defend). But the worst might be her D1 twilight post 945, in which she "hopes" dynamo is scum, and reaffirms her pride in her vote. This looks like she's setting up a "we all were fooled" D2 defense should it be needed, and just strikes me as completely unecessary-- like she's posting just because she wants to look good rather than add anything. The fact that, in her most recent post, she's about-faced and decided she accepts netlava's defense (without doing much to start a new wagon) is a point in netlava's favor.

[Lowell]

prod received. not much has changed in my thinking.

[Lowell]

I'm still feeling confident about cass. I'd like to get more votes on her. It's telling that she's pretty much lurked to avoid her bandwagon from forming.

[Lowell]

I'll vote netlava if needed, but it's a huge mistake to let cass lurk her way out of a wagon.

[Lowell]

I'll vote netlava if needed, but it's a huge mistake to let cass lurk her way out of a wagon.

We don't have to get rid of cass today, though. I do think Cass is a bit scummy, but Netlava is much more so, IMO.

Never liked this logic. Things change overnight. People completely forget about the previous day. Also, I'd rather not set up two lynches at once.

[Lowell]

He's implying that I should be happy with doing that instead of going after cass today.

[Lowell]

All right I'll bite.

unvote, vote netlava

. Dice roll?

[Lowell]

I'll add to the

FOS cynodia

for 1596. The part about being set up for tomorrow was a bizairre non-sequitor.

[Lowell]

Still catching up.

vote sensfan

. Welcome.

[Lowell]

^^^ continuation vote. Haven't seen anything to suggest I was wrong about Cass yet.

[Lowell]

A couple of things:

1) I'm not really worried my vote was "too fast". That complaint isn't reasonable.
2) The case on Cass/Sensfan is legit. It's bad enough that she basically got off scot-free yesterday when she stopped posting, but it would be worse if we ignored her now just because she's been replaced. If you recall, my argument against leaving the cass wagon yesterday was that people would forget about it today.

[Lowell]

Still here. Haven't had the internet time I would like over the past week. Apologies.

[Lowell]

I told you cass/sens was scummy.

[Lowell]

Picking up from p53

1314- long post by Lowell, explains cass case
1321- cephir votes cass
1322- tom votes cass
1327- non-defense defense by cass [-]
1349- BM votes raider
1367- EGL unvotes, FOSs cass and netlava [-, just picks top 2 vote-getters?]
1414- BM is right about raider flip-flopping for no reason [+]
1425- SC votes netlava
1450- SC unvotes, votes raider
1457- EGL votes raider
1460- cyber questions why netlava wagon keeps getting derailed [+, good point]
1461- raider loses it
1485- netlava 6, cass 4, raider 3
1504- KoC votes netlava [-, too overeager]
1514- korts votes SC for following skruffs
1556- netlava votes citizen karne
1575- Lowell votes netlava for dice roll
1576- cephir does the same
1580- SC unvotes, votes netlava
1607- BM votes netlava
1624- netlava claims swiss town
1629- surye votes netlava
1631- EGL votes netlava, hammers
1636- netlava town, 4 night kills, including 2 diff mafia factions
1648- tom declares himself still alive [-, he doth protest too much]
1667- skruffs calls SC icelanding mafia
1677- Lowell votes sensfan, the new cass
1678- SC votes Lowell for not explaining
1682- BM votes Lowell
1685- Tom thinks Lowell's vote should have been an FOS [-, coaching me????]
1700- skruffs offers scumlist (armlx, SC) [+, good post about likely scum tactics]
1717- tom takes credit for the "cass will be forgotten" idea [- -, again, following]
1724- tom votes skruffs
1736- BM votes SC
1747- armlx votes SC
1748- cyber votes SC
1758- spring votes SC
1761- tubby votes SC
1769- blakadder FOSs SC [-, "keep an eye on him"?]
1770- EGL votes SC for not denying survivor, FOSs tom and BM for buddying [+, good reason]
1777- very odd defense from tom [-]
1806- SC votes BM
1809- tom votes SC, keeps the sens-lurking idea afloat
1814- SC claims swiss town
1844- hasd votes SC for same reasons
1872- blakadder votes SC, lynch-1
1877- cream reenters, calls SC case "acceptable" [-, no hammer?]
1881- citizen karne votes SC, hammers [+, no guts no glory]
1883- blakadder "intends to vote" citizen karne [-, opportunisitc, unnecessary]

Start with

vote TOM

. In hindsight, this guy is a lot more opportunistic than I remember. 1648 is awkward. 1685 is VERY awkward, and looks like he's trying to make a friend. This is compounded in 1717, another parroting post. 1809 looks bad because he's trying to hold on to the sens-as-scum idea while actually derailing it by voting for SC. This looks like he wants plausible deniability when sens turns up scum.

I'll also

FOS blakadder

. 1769 doesn't sit well with me. To not vote for the leading wagon, but to FOS the leading wagon, and then say you want to "keep an eye on" the leading wagon is strange behavior. He's having trouble taking a stand, and I don't like it. Post 1883 is poor, too. He's preparing to vote CK without even waiting for the result of the lynch. Why, if blakadder had already FOSed the leading wagon would he all of a sudden be angry with the lynch? Especially after the claim.

Pro-town points for

Citizen Karne

and

skruffs

. CK's hammer was appropriate, though still gutsy, so he gets points for making the move while others were just hovering around. Skruffs' post in 1700 turned out to be (half) right, and tried to move things in a new direction, which earns him points as well.

[Lowell]

@EGL- Tom follows EVERYONE, not just BM. Hence the scum. Again I'll point out I was right about cass. Turn those FOSs into votes.

@BM- the blakadder "intend to vote" post doesn't do anything for me. With all these killing factions, him saying he intends to vote is more him getting his opinion out there before night rather than him being sure he'll be alive. Unless you're implying he's some kind of unNKable role.

@skruffs- I want to buy into the spring case. Is there more to it than the SC inconsistency?

[Lowell]

I'm glad cyberbob at least is taking up the Tom case. Tom's defense does nothing for me. The BA case is decent, but Tom is better. When it's like pulling teeth to get votes on someone scummy, I know I'm on the right track.

Raider's 2004 seems a little bit out of the blue. Just a little.

[Lowell]

I'm glad cyberbob at least is taking up the Tom case. Tom's defense does nothing for me. The BA case is decent, but Tom is better. When it's like pulling teeth to get votes on someone scummy, I know I'm on the right track.

Raider's 2004 seems a little bit out of the blue. Just a little.

That's EXACTLY how i feel about Blakadder. He's such obvscum, that anybody not voting for him is either his buddy, not paying attention, or a complete retard.

I won't settle for any other lynch today. Anybody opposing this lynch will earn my emnity. That's a BAAD mutha.

BM

I can respect this post.

unvote, vote BA

. The second this case falls apart I'm back on Tom like white on rice.

[Lowell]

Ugh 2024 is scummy-sounding.

[Lowell]

unvote, vote Tom

. The doc claim will be verifiable one way or the other in the long run, I think.

[Lowell]

@tubby- my post 1904 lays out my case, more or less. Several others made other cases before then.

[Lowell]

prod received. Still here.

[Lowell]

CK- really? FOS Tom... what does that mean?

[Lowell]

From page 77

1904- Lowell votes Tom, FOSs Blakadder
1910- EGL suggests two SKs and a vig
1925- skruffs votes springlullaby
1938- BM votes blakadder for "entirety of posts [-]
1942- Tom leans towards voting blakadder [-, more following]
1948- EGL FOSs BA for not seeming to care if SC was scum, points out Tom's following nature [+]
1959- Blakadder defends himself [+, good points]
1963- EGL votes blakadder
1978- cyber makes case on Tom, votes Tom [+]
1982- Tom's defense is a good offense, attacks cyber [?]
1980s- Tom/cyber argument rages
1998- BM repeats insistence than BA is scum
2004- raider votes BA for complaining about hammer after putting SC at L-1 [+, clear reasoning]
2018- spring votes caboose for not answering a question [-, ?]
2019- Lowell unvotes, votes BA
2021- BA leads w/ 4 votes (BM, EGL, raider, Lowell)
2022- tubby votes BA
2023- killaseven votes BA, lynch -2 [+, gutsy]
2024- Tom has "no qualms" about voting BA, doesn't vote [-, I hate these posts]
2029- Tom says his critics would be more angry if he HAD voted [---, this isn't a reason!]
2036- Tom votes BA, lynch -1, asks for a claim [+]
2038- BA claims doc, protected hascow N1 and cyber N2
2041- BM unvotes
2043- Tom equivocates
2056- tubby doesn't believe the claim
2057- raider unvotes
2061- caboose criticizes killa's vote [-, too easy, opportunistic]
2073- tubby explains why doc claim doesnt sit well [+, good point, brave stance]
2075- Lowell unvotes, votes Tom
2077- BM votes killaseven
2086- EGL unvotes, votes Tom
2089- Tom unvotes, votes springlullaby
2098- caboose repeats 2061, votes killaseven [-, really don't like this, did he finally decide it was "safe" to place a vote?]
2114- CK takes caboose to task for k7 vote [+, very good]
2128- caboose AGAIN reiterates more or less same case against k7
2129- bizairre post from spring [?]
2130- CK FOSs Tom
2137- tubby votes spring for 2129
2138- BA votes spring for 2129
2140- BM asks for spring to claim
2148- raider votes spring
2153- BM votes spring
2154- spring claims watcher, watched ? night 2, watched skruffs night 3, 2 visitors [+, believeable]
2155- BM claims being one of the people who visited skruffs
2162- Caboose claims protective role and that he visited skruffs
2174- BA pushes caboose to fully claim
2176- EGL votes spring
2194- BM outlines a plan of mass protection
2200- caboose claims firefighter, can protect from cremation

Some thoughts on claims:

1) Are we still forbidden from talking about BM's plan? Does really no one see why it makes no sense?

2) Of the claims, the most believable are

caboose

and

springlullaby

. Spring's behavior leading to her claim (the belligerence) fits with her claim. Especially for someone who said she was leaning towards claiming anyway. The claims from

BA

and

BM

seem less certain.

In particular, I'm wary of BMs post 2155. spring had just claimed that two people visited skruffs the previous night.

BM

, despite not being outed (that I could see), was quick to post and say he's absolved by the fact that skruffs didn't die. It's relatively certain that

eventually

the two people would have come out, but BM wanted to be the first to claim. He sounds too worried. Caboose didn't block a kill, but there are clearly some non-killing scum roles out there.

BA

s claim also worries me. Specifically, I don't like that he waited until lynch-1 to claim. spring seemed to want to claim earlier, as did caboose and BM. I get that claiming too early is bad, but why take the chance of a hammer by someone who (a) doesn't believe the claim, or (b) is careless and not reading, with such an important role? It just looks like he was trying to hard to find a way to not claim and did it as a last-minute desperation move. As well, why does caboose have specific roleblocking ability but BA is just a general doctor? The mafia members all seem to be powerroles so far, so it's possible we've got a doc and a roleblocker in the portugese group and a watcher and tracker in the icelandic group. At any rate, we should probably not be seeing "power role" and be thinking "pro-town" as much as we would in other games.

Enough meta. Some general thoughts:

3)

Tom

still looks like the pick of the scum litter. 2029 is scummy as hell. He uses other people's anger as a reason not to vote, despite saying he wants to vote; he doesn't have any opinion of the claim (2043), then decides he does (2089); then sort of disappears as claim talk flares up, hoping, I think, to be ignored.

4)

tubby

gets townpoints for his taking on the BA claim. When I read 2073 I didn't agree at first, but it was gutsy, and as other claims came rolling in it's started to grow on me. As well, his fist point in 2185 is a good one.

5) I don't see the

killa7

case. I agree with those that say his play here is more or less a null tell.

6)

cyberbob

loses some points in my book. I had him pegged as town earlier, but his lack of any contribution other than beefing up the Tom case looks bad.

[Lowell]

BA's 2234 looks a little like desperation. That BM didn't vote is information enough. Tom is scummy, true, but he jumped on that after things started turning against him.

I still think Tom is the better play on the chance BA is telling the truth.

[Lowell]

^^^^ the first one is the one I was thinking.

[Lowell]

Prod received. Sorry for inactivity.

I don't like either the BM or BA claims, but would support lynching BA before BM. Generally though I don't support lynching a potential powerrole if we don't need to.

[Lowell]

I strongly agree with post 2332 by cyber. However, I am liking the case by tubby in 2334. Good point about BA.

[Lowell]

^^^ I still don't notice it. What are you saying?

[Lowell]

Okay but isn't a person who does the killing more likely to pay attention to the kind of kills everyone is doing?

[Lowell]

Okay thanks.

[Lowell]

Still here. The new revelations about BM are interesting, but just like with BA I'd as soon lynch someone who hasn't claimed a powerrole.

[Lowell]

@EGL- I have no idea where the poisoning comes from, and generally think back-tracking through the kills is mostly useless. I thought I had read back but apparently I missed something, but where did the idea of a delayed kill come from?

@CK- are you kidding me? I've

been

the Tom Mason wagon. You're late to the party. Why is it you only want him dead after the wagon dies down?

@Tom Mason- Your ire for CK is misdirected. I have a hard-on for you. No rewrite needed.

[Lowell]

*bump*

[Lowell]

V/LA until Tuesday night/Wednesday morning. Sorry all.

[Lowell]

I'm back. Will read through.

[Lowell]

Caught up. BM, why lie if your role is pro-town?

Also, the fact that there are 2 poisoners and 2 scum groups makes me think you're lying about being pro-town.

[Lowell]

2663 looks like appeal to emotion. Overboard.

unvote, vote BM

[Lowell]

Yeah, BM really needs to be dead. I find it unlikely you were trying to draw a NK. More likely a night protection.

[Lowell]

@BA- I still don't see a pro-town reason BM would conceal his role and LIE about a different powerrole. All it does is potentially draw out a counterclaim, which a pro-town BM would know enough to avoid.

[Lowell]

EBWOP: that's to tubby, not BA, sorry.

[Lowell]

I really think BM is just WIFOMing the crap out of us right now.

[Lowell]

I really think BM is just WIFOMing the crap out of us right now.

if you genuinely believed that, you wouldnt have felt the need to say it. You know i'm town.

BM

If you really believed you were town, you wouldn't have felt the need to say it. WIFOM!

[Lowell]

@BM, if Tom is scum and you're not wouldn't he just kill you tonight then?

[Lowell]

@BM, if Tom is scum and you're not wouldn't he just kill you tonight then?

I guess it would be across kill then.

Exactly. Because Tom will already be dead, killing me wouldnt save him, so its a nulltell.

BM

I see. That makes sense.

[Lowell]

But if you're scum, aren't we just giving you another day to kill someone ELSE?

[Lowell]

uh... ok.

cyber, I don't understand your vote. If the question is between BM and Tom for you, then lynch BM or Tom. Killing me gives BM or Tom (or both) another chance for a free kill.

[Lowell]

It is a mistake to let BM get away from a lynch.

[Lowell]

All pro-town roles are Swiss.
No anti-town roles are Swiss.
Clear? Good.

This is the mod's first post.

because i am the Croatian gypsy

Did I miss something here, or did tubby claim scum?

[Lowell]

Oh, missed 2894. In that case I echo spring's question.

[Lowell]

tubby is my leading candidate for SK at the moment.

[Lowell]

well here is what i know,


1) i have no kill ability - so none of the kills are by my hands
2) i am aligned to myself, i win if i make it to endgame, wether the scum are left or town is left


so i am not anti town as much as i am pro-me

I don't believe this at all. And I especially don't agree that only scum want him dead.

vote tubby

[Lowell]

CK doesn't like to hammer. He likes to talk about liking to hammer.

Can someone tell me why they're not voting for the guy who claimed scum?

[Lowell]

I've been trying to kill tom for days now and he keeps ending up alive. This annoys me. Not that he's the only scummy person.

What are we supposed to make of tubby's claim? He fakeclaimed a scum role? Why? Anyone think the mod had a hand in it somehow?

[Lowell]

I think it is obvious we should get Caboose today. Go ahead and claim your targets if you want, but my vote isn't likely to change.

Care to enlighten us?

[Lowell]

^^^ Either you're confessing to a killing role or you're just being OMGUSy. Which is it?

[Lowell]

Vote: Caboose

for fakeclaiming firefighter. SL's town flip suggests she neither lied nor held back about who targeted Skruffs. The heavy poisoning says two poisoners. Caboose and BM were the only ones who targeted Skruffs that night and I don't buy two pro-town poisoners.

FoS: Tom Mason

for his reaction to the Caboose situation.

I'm going back to check EGL's behavior around the BM claim/re-claim/lynch.

[Lowell]

EBWOP 3035: checking CABOOSE, not EGL.

If the caboose claim is fake, I think it most likely that he's responsible for the cremation kills, not the poisoning. It's an easier save if someone blocks his attempted kill.

[Lowell]

I'd prefer Tom, but whatever, the firefighter claim does seem pretty lame.

unvote, vote caboose

[Lowell]

BTW, looking back around the BM poisoner claim/lynch doesn't reveal much. caboose was MIA throughout.

[Lowell]

yay for being Un night killable great job mod!

ditto

[Lowell]

Okay. killa seven and Lowell, you have the opportunity to make 1 kill from the remaining four. Both of you must send me the name, and it must be the same, otherwise the kill will not count.

I don't understand this plan at all. What is the point again?

[Lowell]

I'm going to abstain from killing anyone. Honestly I don't see the point. I'll take my "win" (read: loss) and be done with it.






Everyone, lynch Tom.






No, just kidding. I don't care.

[Lowell]

vote EGL