Mini 164: Rock Paper Scissors Mafia - Game Over

[Narninian]

/confirm

[Narninian]

Not sure you understand correct, let me say how I interepret:

3 Results

A) Your target gets targetted by 50% or more of your family's night choices.
The target Dies.

B) Your target Does not get targetted by% or more of your family's night choices.
B1) Your target get 50% or more of

another

family's night choices - you prevent them from dying.

B2) Your target does NOT get 50% or more of any family's night choices. You get an investigation of that target.

Is this correct Fuldu?

[Narninian]

hmmm having trouble with strategy at this point - on families are on equal ground -we have mixed information. The bandwagon/claim routine

could

work because a team member could target them for protection. If both other families kill them, they are dead, though... so its still flawed. They could, of course, lie - but whats the point in having bandwagoned then?

[Narninian]

Im trying to think about the results here.

Nation claiming would give the information to the wrong people I think. Members of opposing mafias/ same nation would know you were not part of their mafia - members of your own mafia would narrow it down but wouldnt know.

Mafia claiming is tricky as well - It would paint you as a target for other mafias, but would also allow you to be protected by your own mafia. Its risky since the members of your own mafia wouldnt know if you are being protected already and if 2 of them target you then it would mean you're dead. I know a way around this, which Ill save if IM being bandwagoned - but even that is not without flaws.

[Narninian]

VOTE: Thrawn

"scum finding" is moot at this point.

[Narninian]

hmm I may consider changing to whoever is the driving force behind the thrawn bandwagon as well, if there is any. The leader could very well have information that Thrawn is NOT a member of his/her mafia - information we can only speculate on.

[Narninian]

VOTE: DMI

Im happy with taking out Scissors mafia - Are we sure he's scissors mafia?

[Narninian]

All right. In the interests of revealing as much as possible to the lazy peoples of the world:

Yesterday's Final Vote Count:
thrawn1020 - 7 (Locus Cosecant, Mr. Flay, DarkLight140, Save The Dragons, Narninian, StrykkerVerde, Dmi)
Locus Cosecant - 3 (vikingfan, pwnz, thrawn1020)
Dmi - 1 (Mgm)
Not Voting: Coron

Today's Current Vote Count, According to Me:
StrykkerVerde - 1 (Mr. Flay)
Dmi - 3 (Mgm, Narninian, Coron)
Mgm - 2 (Dmi, Locus Cosecant)
Not Voting: vikingfan, pwnz, StrykkerVerde, DarkLight140, Save The Dragons

If we assume that no member of a mafia knowingly votes a member of their mafia, assume StrykkerVerde is telling the truth about being in Mr. Flay's mafia, and assume that the known results are Dmi- Scissors, thrawn1020 - Paper, Mgm - Rock...

Coron is non-scissor
DarkLight140 is non-paper
Dmi is scissor (both by voting patterns and known)
Locus Cosecant is scissor (by voting pattern; the randomness on Day II may indicate simple non-paper, though)
Mgm is rock (taken as known; voting pattern only proves non-scissor)
Mr. Flay is non-paper
Narninian is rock
pwnz is unknown
Save The Dragons is non-paper
StrykkerVerde is non-paper
vikingfan is unknown

Now, cross-referencing gives us that. With a bit more thinking...

8 non-papers are accounted for. Therefore, paper mafia consists of... vikingfan, pwnz, and Coron.
Rock mafia consists of Narninian, Mgm, and either (myself and Save the Dragons) or (StrykkerVerde and Mr. Flay).
Scissors mafia consists of Dmi, Locus Cosecant, and either (myself and Save the Dragons) or (StrykkerVerde and Mr. Flay).

As myself, Save the Dragons, StrykkerVerde, and Mr. Flay now all have full information... well, we'll see. Locus being all random could, in fact, screw up the last two mafia entirely, but I think not. If nothing else, I've got a 50% chance of being right regardless.

In any case, I say we kill off the paper mafia before bickering between rock and scissors, yes?

Vote Coron

.

(If anyone thinks my logic or assumptions are flawed, please tell me, because I think people just might use this until it's proven wrong.)

I can say with certainty that based on investigation results/ any other information I might have that your wrong with at least one name.

[Narninian]

Then as many people as possible should target Narninian tonight; he's also Paper.

Are we ready to vote pwnz dead yet? It's been awfully quick...

and to think... I save your life night 1...

[Narninian]

Then as many people as possible should target Narninian tonight; he's also Paper.

Are we ready to vote pwnz dead yet? It's been awfully quick...

and to think... I saved your life night 1...

[Narninian]

Hmm... it seems like Rock and Scissors are allying against paper...

Let me give you this warning...
If paper is lynched then We will Kill off the Remaining Scissors with our 2 kills.
This makes it so Rock wins, so I suggest a new plan.

perhaps one that doesnt involve the extermination of Paper... but maybe the extermination of Rock.

[Narninian]

Screw it - new plan

Ok North America - Target Coron
Europe - Target StrykerVerde.
South America- If North American or Europe is lynched, target who they were supposed to target.


Game Over, for that side... unless you want to consider NOT exterminating paper here.....

[Narninian]

its too late...

I probably should have said something like the last person to vote gets killed and so does another person from their mafia..

[Narninian]

We could have prevented the lynch if we had made some better quick decisions, and got people to unvote in fear of losing.

[Narninian]

Interesting stuff, I guess somebody didnt follow their exterminate Paper plans properly.

[Narninian]

Yes, but for that to happen somebody had to botch the plan.

[Narninian]

VOTE: Locus Corsecant

Cuz he's not on my team

[Narninian]

What screwed us over... is several people taking 'anti-paper' stances in the beginning of the game..

[Narninian]

I'm willing to hear a bargain..

[Narninian]

Sounds good to me - relies a lot on trust during nighttime - which is something that is hard to accept.

[Narninian]

Ill be honest I dont know much.. I know all the North Americans, All the papers (and their countries), 2/3 of the South Americans, and only 1 Europe.

[Narninian]

Sorry flay- dont Know - and no results on you.

[Narninian]

hmm I didnt include Locus into the equation -but it doesnt help me I still have 2 unidentified on each team... If I knew just one I could say for sure all the teams.

[Narninian]

scratch that - I need 2

[Narninian]

UNVOTE: Locus

Hmm, pretty good plan.. there are some issues Im trying to see if there is a way around, but I dont have time to think about that now.

[Narninian]

Here are my Qualms with the Plan Flay..., (or scissors flay aka Darklight140)

but I don't see any way around it.
Since I'm at work - I havnt had time to give it thought so I wont accept just yet.

No motivation for flay to protect Narninian, meaning I'm pretty much garunteed to die, and (3rd rock - strykerverde if its the truth) is gonna be killed as well meaning: Rock 2 paper 1 scissors 0 - second place for paper, prettty much gaurunteed. Unless, there would be some reason for you to try to outguess the scissors team, and make it so they wont get any kills through. That would be 3 vs. 2 a win for you, but if there outguessing involved there would be a chance for it to be 2 vs. 2. That is acceptable for me, but for Flay's plan, I see no reason for rock to not just let it be with the 2 vs. 1 result. The only thing that could throw a wrench in the plan is if scissors both attack the same rock, making it 2 vs. 2. The only motication for them doing that would be bad communication, or they want paper to win over rock.

Is there any plan involving a no lynch that could come out as beneficial for 2 teams( one of them being paper) - I doubt it would be as controlled as the current plan, because I cant think of any plan that would come out as the best thing to do at night for 2 teams, so the 2 teams would likely not follow through (Example - Last night).

Forgive Rambling, its way too busy at work and I can only do partial sentences at a time.

[Narninian]

oK - I have no idea which Asian is telling the truth...

I guess I have no choice but to come in second place, or trust in the fact that you would be willing the take away your garunteed win for a chance to 'humiliate' the scissors team.

[Narninian]

You could make plots against Rock, since its the only way they wont win.

[Narninian]

Well I'd say we lynch who we think the faker is, and if we are wrong, we go with scissors, if we are right we go with rock (basically ally with the opposite side of who we lynch) - so we should set up an exact plan with scissors in case we are wrong.

[Narninian]

So basically us paper get to choose who wins the game(but cant choose ourselves). If Rock/Scissors protect their own, there is no way for paper to win unless the opposing scissors/rock decide to double team one person.

I guess there are other ways, but nothing obvious comes to me.

[Narninian]

sure, dont see any way to win anyway..

VOTE: Std

[Narninian]

I did my job, Killed locus, apparently my partner did the same(unless he is lying). I must say I'm pleased with how the night turned out. Not so sure Lynching Darklight is the best plan.

If we lynch Rock, then its 2 paper vs. 1 rock vs. 1 scissors (Im sure Darklight would rather do than than to be lynched).

Not sure the best plan yet

[Narninian]

Mwooo Haha --- I'm a better mafia player when I'm absent then when I'm here.