Mini 768- Root of All Evil (Game Over)

PJ. · Post Post #97 (isolation #0) » Mon Mar 30, 2009 9:43 pm

I am the replacement for Kpaca and will hold off on voting until I get my role and Battousai makes it official but I sent the PM a bit ago.

In the spirit of what Verbosity was preaching earlier, I must say that I support his opinion but we would not have the additional information of player interaction. How each player treats one another and the links that are cause. By all dogpiling on a weak player to pressure him we only get info about that player. In order to get any advantage, from dogpiling on said player is to lynch him immediately because regardless of alignment he is going to distract the town. Forcing that player to claim then not lynching them and leaving them as a relatively unconfirable vanilla or outting a power role are both terrible. One because it give scum info and the other because the anti-town player can still destract us immensly and take us of the task at hand. As such unless you wanted to actually lynch pablo, not just make him claim, you are also exhibiting anti town behavior. So

FoS:Verbosity

Also I want to know who you are, and failure to tell me this information will result in you withholding useful infomation from the town because we can't meta you. Regardless whether you are trying to act as someone different or not, your meta information would be very helpful to the town in determing your tendencies. I'm willing to irrevocably vote you to receive this information(Note:I will still be posting cases on other players but my vote with not leave you as you are leaving out inoformation that could be vital for scumhunting)

Gateway is floundering and acting exetremely scummy, but that is not nearly as indicative of him being scum as his play when there was no pressure on him and he was displaying major cognitive dissonace by having is vote on Verbosity while also calling him a townie. Not seems townie, townish, townlike, town-esque or anything remotely close to not being absolutely sure that verbosity was not a Townie. Not only is the dissonance here obvious but the only players who can be positive of alignment at this point are scum. No matter how many times he tries to sell this, I doubt he'll get me to believe that he wasn't relatively positive of Verbosity's alignment.

FoS:Gateway

PJ. · Post Post #99 (isolation #1) » Mon Mar 30, 2009 11:12 pm

So you agree that you are scummy and thta I probably should vote you?

PJ. · Post Post #110 (isolation #2) » Tue Mar 31, 2009 7:09 am

Ok we're L-1. I'm ready to lynch. umm Gateway. you have until..4pm PST(-7:00 GMT) claim.. so unless you're in the middle of asia this should be reasonable.

I find Gateway more scummy but I want to know who verbosity is and I will pick back up on that Day 2.

PJ. · Post Post #111 (isolation #3) » Tue Mar 31, 2009 9:53 am

about 2 hours left. Anyone opposed to me hammering in 2 hours?

PJ. · Post Post #118 (isolation #4) » Tue Mar 31, 2009 10:38 am

That is clearly fake. That role is broken and a half.

Unvote:Votegetaway

PJ. · Post Post #136 (isolation #5) » Tue Mar 31, 2009 2:05 pm

dude...That role is auto-win for the town...No responsible mod would put that in the game

PJ. · Post Post #138 (isolation #6) » Tue Mar 31, 2009 2:15 pm

EBWOP: Verbosity, witholding info from the town is anti-town.

PJ. · Post Post #142 (isolation #7) » Tue Mar 31, 2009 2:31 pm

Spolium wrote:
Panzerjager wrote:That is clearly fake. That role is broken and a half.
How so?

Might as well as explain it.. There is nothing stopping him from killing off someone and if the person he kileld was town we lynch the other. so tonight Scum will kill and he'll kill and then we'll be down to like 9..and depending on his kill we'd either have a confirmed townie..or a confirmed scum which we lynch. so Day 3 we'd be 6 people left.. with another confirmed townie or scum. then we'd be down to 3ish..and he'd know who the scum is.. Also anytime he nailed scum we could no lynch. and rely on his role to win the game. Cause if he got to use it tonight and then nailed the scum tomorrow we'd have 9 people and no lynch.his ability would come up..let's sa he nails scum again..we'd be at 7 people with very few scum left. Average number for a mini is like 3..even if there were 4 in this game..it'd me 2 scum vs 5 town on day 3..in which we'd no lynch they'd kill someone and we'd find out another scum or he'd hit someone..hypothetically if he hits 3 people in a row, the worse we could prolly be at is 1 scum vs 4 town..And again, he would automatically find the scum the last scum..

Pretty much as long as that role exist the town gets a confirmed scum every day.

Simply put, imagine if somone exetremely good had that role He would know the whole scum team in 3 days...

Everytime I reimagine the situation the role get's better. What if we lynched scum today, and then that role took effect and he nailed the scum with it. It'd be day 2 and -2 scum..We'd have to have like..6 scum for that to be fair. Which is ridiculous.

I guess what I'm trying to say is. if the town played really good and the player with that role nailed scum each time then we could kill 6 scum in 3 days. Also It seems like this role happens no matter what. So it's not blockable..at least the info part. So how does the scum have a counter to it. This role is WAAAAAY to good to be real.

PJ. · Post Post #143 (isolation #8) » Tue Mar 31, 2009 2:36 pm

sekinj wrote:
Panzerjager wrote:EBWOP: Verbosity, witholding info from the town is anti-town.
Disagree. For example: what if someone is cop? it is best to keep that info quiet as long as possible, in the best interests of the town.

Also, have you done a meta on all the other players, then? it seems like you would have had too in order to care so much about verb's alt.

I do meta everyone. It's a good way to scum hunt. Also witholding info from the town =/= claiming your power role immediatly. That is taking the phrase too seriously. He should NOT be hiding his meta. It limits the ammount of info the town has. If he was pro-town he would want us to know who he is so he/she can be cleared because we can compare the actions with other games.

PJ. · Post Post #154 (isolation #9) » Tue Mar 31, 2009 7:30 pm

Wow...I feel like no body read my post. If he gets to know the names there is nothing stopping him from claiming the names in the morning. Meaning he can make a kill and then report the other name to us in the morning. This role HAS to be fake.

PJ. · Post Post #157 (isolation #10) » Tue Mar 31, 2009 9:03 pm

it doesn't matter who announces the names.. He still RECEIVES THEM. so he knows 2 people. kills one the other is either scum or town depending on the role he killed...It confirms whoever is left as eitrher scum or town..how simple is that?

PJ. · Post Post #163 (isolation #11) » Tue Mar 31, 2009 10:31 pm

Plenty..He's played alot..I would quote the answer but it's in a diff game.

PJ. · Post Post #166 (isolation #12) » Tue Mar 31, 2009 11:19 pm

that's L-2..Unless anyone has a good damn reason not to lynch him i suggest we do so.

PJ. · Post Post #170 (isolation #13) » Tue Mar 31, 2009 11:32 pm

You must be lying in this game or that game cause that's two different answers.

And what false claim?

PJ. · Post Post #182 (isolation #14) » Wed Apr 01, 2009 3:27 am

Alright, I have an urge to post and I really have nothing to add other then ^5 Archon for me not having to point out that you didn't correctly read that post.

Also he could kill a townie and then name a townie and say he misunderstood his role so that's another benefit of faking that ridiculous role.

anyway i'm gonna post som ISMFOF lyrics now..actually no..i'll just link the youtube. Enjoy The Catchiness

PJ. · Post Post #184 (isolation #15) » Wed Apr 01, 2009 3:39 am

Umm you replaced in? so what?

PJ. · Post Post #186 (isolation #16) » Wed Apr 01, 2009 3:42 am

EBWOP: hidden role mechanic. I doubt that's the role mechanic. it's too broken

PJ. · Post Post #187 (isolation #17) » Wed Apr 01, 2009 3:42 am

Also it IS a theme..Coney Island.

PJ. · Post Post #191 (isolation #18) » Wed Apr 01, 2009 3:55 am

I didn't avoid it. You cited the game it was in and I said that you were either lying in this game or that one. I can't quote it or I get modkilled. it's like post 87 in that game. It's not a giveaway if it's not true. You are obviously floundering here.

Also you would be stupid not to kill. If you kill and the names are 1 scum and 1 town, all you have to do is look at the alignment of the player you killed. Also it is incredibly easy to fake.

Simply put, You are scum and are OMGUS a townie. Anyway,Some Happy Music For Getaway the Scum

PJ. · Post Post #193 (isolation #19) » Wed Apr 01, 2009 3:57 am

Gateway wrote:Night phase - Two names,
one scum
one townie.
(options)
Kill one
, report both to you all in the morning.

Note: right there you imply one IS scum.

PJ. · Post Post #194 (isolation #20) » Wed Apr 01, 2009 3:58 am

EBWOP:Forgot to add Getaway's theme song

PJ. · Post Post #197 (isolation #21) » Wed Apr 01, 2009 4:03 am

Please quote when I said I had extensive experiance with you. Crank Dat Scumcatching

I simply reference that you said you had plenty of experiance on a diff occasion.

PJ. · Post Post #199 (isolation #22) » Wed Apr 01, 2009 4:07 am

Gateway wrote:
Panzerjager wrote:
Gateway wrote:Night phase - Two names,
one scum
one townie.
(options)
Kill one
, report both to you all in the morning.
Note: right there you imply one IS scum.
No lets do it this way. Harry, tom, and george play with me. At night I get two names, harry and tom. Come morning I say "HEY EVERYONE! The two names I got were Harry and Tom. No let's discuss, if my role is true one of them is scum."

What is wrong with that? Or can you twist that into a hammer vote somehow?

My point is that you obviously changed you claim and that last one that i quoted implied it was definently one scum. I caught you because I'm the Super Rad!

PJ. · Post Post #202 (isolation #23) » Wed Apr 01, 2009 4:15 am

Why are you basing you're reasoning on how dumb someone is? You're assuming that Gateway is a complete tard.

PJ. · Post Post #203 (isolation #24) » Wed Apr 01, 2009 4:18 am

EBWOP: Also you should note the fact that he is hiding his experiance level from us by not initially answering the question and not answering it the way he did other day in a diff game. Here's a fitting song for him

"If it was only that easy, Story Teller"

PJ. · Post Post #210 (isolation #25) » Wed Apr 01, 2009 4:33 am

I like Spoilum's thinking in the last post

FoS Sekin

PJ. · Post Post #224 (isolation #26) » Wed Apr 01, 2009 5:25 am

It's only questionable in this situation. I'm not sure how much modding experiance you have but when designing/using roles you should also was think "What if a REALLY good player gets this role". Dude, commonly Un-NKable roles have been deemed broken(even in theme games) because if a good enough player gets the role, then him being so difficult to lynch and immune to NK makes it too broken. So think if a simple un-NKable role in which you get no info is broken, imagine a role in which you get the name of a scum every night.

Hypothetically, had Gateway not had to claim and got to use his role, he could have killed one and then claimed Day 2 with news that he had confirmed the alignment of a player. Basically, if he claimed in a better position we would of followed him and if he really had this role, he'd have pretty much all the scum caught..

PJ. · Post Post #225 (isolation #27) » Wed Apr 01, 2009 5:28 am

Gateway wrote:I saw that this moment I've done my job. Since from my POV I can see better who's accusations are more baseless and who's are based on lies, make your lynch but know that Panzer has straight lied and I know it to be a lie and I have pointed it out.

And MafiaSSK has made it a point to try and be quiet, but I know them to be after me as well.

If you are unsure where to vote tomorrow, make a charity vote day two for me on
Panzerjager or MSSK

Please quote me where i've lied.

PJ. · Post Post #300 (isolation #28) » Wed Apr 01, 2009 8:01 pm

@Verbosity: I'm exetremely sensitive as you know, I believe I have an idea who you are...James

@Thadmiral: He OBVIOUSLY isn't gonna do that kill unless it's me or AZ. In other words he is only gonna OMGUSing the people who have been most vocal about his bullshit claim. I never said that he wasn't NKable, I said that non-NKable roles are broken. I was given an example of how a simple role is broken as further evidence that whatever mess that Gateway's claim has turned into. He is obviouslty lying about what I've been saying forcing the fact that me only knowing him for a couple days actually means something when he posted his experiance in a different game but avoiding the answer her. Simply, Gateway is obviously scum and SekinJ could easily be either his partner or a paranoid townie, but either of those can wait until tomorrow.

I'm not voting SekinJ today. Gateway is the obviously play and I am ashamed of all of you for letting someone so clumsily manipulative and obviously spindoctoring my words get away with it.

PJ. · Post Post #303 (isolation #29) » Wed Apr 01, 2009 10:36 pm

Dude, I don't trust gateway, he has basically spin-doctered everything I've said.

PJ. · Post Post #305 (isolation #30) » Wed Apr 01, 2009 11:45 pm

Gateway In Mafia 761 wrote:Plenty, I played weekly on my mud forum and here once years ago.

And you got me modkilled you fucking dick, but there is your proof.

PJ. · Post Post #306 (isolation #31) » Wed Apr 01, 2009 11:47 pm

EBWOP:I expect gateway to be lynched now.

PJ. · Post Post #309 (isolation #32) » Thu Apr 02, 2009 12:17 am

I believe Gateway should be lynched and stop distracted the town with his BS claim and his retarded actions.

PJ. · Post Post #317 (isolation #33) » Thu Apr 02, 2009 3:45 am

sekinj wrote:
vote: Archon
for trashing the thread.

You convinced me,

Unvote: Vote: SekinJ

PJ. · Post Post #322 (isolation #34) » Thu Apr 02, 2009 4:58 am

sekinj wrote:I'm only at L-2, so I dont' knwo what the big deal is. Gateway was L-1 and nevery actually got lynched, so I'm starting to wonder if we are going to lynch ANYONE today...

unvote, vote: no lynch

Lol, that is a sad half-assed attempt to..OMG...I'm not comfortable with this lynch. SekinJ wants us to lynch her, that means something

Unvote:Vote Gateway

@SSK: I voted her because there was no reason she should of voted Archon. Threadshitting is not scummy especially when done by accident. To me, the vote seemed like a halfassed attempt to save her buddy gateway, but now with the no vote either it's just a really bad gambit or she's jester.

PJ. · Post Post #325 (isolation #35) » Thu Apr 02, 2009 5:01 am

That is seriously stupid. No reason to lynch yourself. And if you wanted to accomplish of a lynch of yourself, you'd be voting youself, not voting no lynch. Means you're trying to quick hammer yourself.

PJ. · Post Post #329 (isolation #36) » Thu Apr 02, 2009 5:04 am

Why would a townie quick hammer theirself? They Wouldn't.. Why would a scum? They wouldn't. Why would any role beside Jester? They wouldn't.

You're acting exetremely anti town and making me feel like you're A) jester or B) Scum and gateway is mafia hitman..

PJ. · Post Post #332 (isolation #37) » Thu Apr 02, 2009 5:07 am

sekinj wrote:EBWOP
Panzerjager wrote:That is seriously stupid. No reason to lynch yourself.
the only players people are willing to lynch today are a power townie and me, a vanilla townie. Which would you think was a better lynch (from the towns perspective?)

A vanilla should be trying to hunt scum, not get herself lynched...

PJ. · Post Post #333 (isolation #38) » Thu Apr 02, 2009 5:08 am

sekinj wrote:how is it anti-town to try to give a TOWN power role a shot?

When the power role isn't in the game because it's make believe

PJ. · Post Post #336 (isolation #39) » Thu Apr 02, 2009 5:14 am

sekinj wrote:
Panzerjager wrote:A vanilla should be trying to hunt scum, not get herself lynched...
already tried that. didn't work. now going to plan B in order to save gateway for one night.

Liar. You attacked gateway and piggy backed everyone else's opinions then unvoted and defended him. You never tried to scum hunt. You even made excuses saying you suck at bringing up new points. If you weren't being so damn retarded I'd lynch you. But you're being completely retarded about this. I believe you are misguided town. Can you please wise-up and start helping the god damn town or get replaced so we can actually have people who ARE gonna try to hunt scum.

PJ. · Post Post #338 (isolation #40) » Thu Apr 02, 2009 5:22 am

molestargazer wrote:Bloody hell, 14 pages?
Fate has once against kicked me in the balls with keeping up - I'm just about to go for an interview. If I don't manage to catch up tonight, I will do tomorrow / over the weekend.

Day should of ended like 6 pages ago..

PJ. · Post Post #342 (isolation #41) » Thu Apr 02, 2009 6:34 am

Gateway wrote:Not defending or saying that is the truth, that is just a possible read we need to consider.

If you have to double check to clarify you don't believe what you are saying.

PJ. · Post Post #389 (isolation #42) » Sun Apr 05, 2009 11:57 am

Holy crap. I thought I was gonna be dead. Who fucked with my car? You assholes..

I'm happy with letting Gateway continue.

PJ. · Post Post #391 (isolation #43) » Sun Apr 05, 2009 12:21 pm

If scum keep dying why not let him live?

PJ. · Post Post #397 (isolation #44) » Sun Apr 05, 2009 12:40 pm

Dude..alright..i'm gonna say AZ is the scum, although I know it is pretty self incriminating to do so

Vote:AZ

Most likely jumped on the wagon thinking he could kill Gateway at night and just got on the wagon after I had exposed Sekinj as a vanilla. She did her part to keep a role she believed to be a power role alive and Az made her out to be "scum" with a very poor reason that reaked of bandwagoning.

PJ. · Post Post #405 (isolation #45) » Sun Apr 05, 2009 9:32 pm

If you call me scum one more time for no reason, I'm policy lynching you for slandering a townie. You cleared me last night dude. I am CONFIRMED. If You're mafia the smart choice would be to pick a townie so that townie believe you.

Now to archon, If he forgets to kill tonight..We lynch him. If He kills a townie..we lynch the other and if it's not scum we lynch him day 3. I have a theory here but I am not gonna go into until the time is right.

PJ. · Post Post #407 (isolation #46) » Mon Apr 06, 2009 1:55 am

You're right actually...But i dislike given up conversation for a free win..

Unvote: No Lynch

PJ. · Post Post #435 (isolation #47) » Tue Apr 07, 2009 12:50 am

@Az, Right not we're looking at something so obviously broken or so obviously stupid that the town should just ride it. Most games run 3 scum setups...and he's gonna turn another one tonight..

PJ. · Post Post #436 (isolation #48) » Tue Apr 07, 2009 1:03 am

also

vote:no lynch

PJ. · Post Post #445 (isolation #49) » Thu Apr 09, 2009 12:45 pm

Alright that's two..I have a theory. Let's lynch Gateway.

Vote:Gateway

PJ. · Post Post #448 (isolation #50) » Thu Apr 09, 2009 3:00 pm

You're lying. I say we lynch Jazz and then Lynch Gateway

PJ. · Post Post #453 (isolation #51) » Thu Apr 09, 2009 3:50 pm

Why did it say Molestargazer in the night list then. When it said Spoilium and I last time and both of us were you choices. This time it was Mole and Chief.

Also I have a feeling that Gateway makes a kill and can plant something on the person who was killed making them a death miller of sorts

There are no other kills. The scum wouldn't be dumb enough to go after gateway twice so they'd go after the doc. Hence there'd be a kill last night. The set up is supposed to be weird right? So why would this be an opition where he'd be able to death millerize us. We know the role is TOO broken to be in the game.

I'd only be ok with giving him one more night. Regardless of whether or not he turns a scum tonight(if we let him live) I want him dead tomorrow.

PJ. · Post Post #458 (isolation #52) » Thu Apr 09, 2009 5:15 pm

Archon simply just called 911.. look Hitman sounds a lot like SK to me. Jazzy, I understand your thinking but i think it's 11 vanilla townies vs this role. And I do believe the mod would telegraph this as he did with the first day. I have a feeling that this game is specifically designed to be a mind fuck. Although your desperately clinging on to your confirmed townie status so you could very well be scum..but then again..that would mean I'm scum.

Since that isn't true, you just really want this to be true. I think this is a game in the mod is testing the players. I'm not voting no lynch.

PJ. · Post Post #473 (isolation #53) » Fri Apr 10, 2009 2:45 am

wow. Jazz, How do you know it isn't 11 townies and his role? Please do explain

Also QUIT BEING DENSE OR I WILL IGNORE YOU IN ALL OF OUR GAMES.

PJ. · Post Post #477 (isolation #54) » Fri Apr 10, 2009 10:10 am

the numbers jazz put there because they apparentl;y mean something to her and has completely distracted the town. Anti-town on jazz part. I'm ok with B C D.

PJ. · Post Post #481 (isolation #55) » Fri Apr 10, 2009 11:17 am

If you plan on claiming anyway it's not role fishing.

PJ. · Post Post #484 (isolation #56) » Fri Apr 10, 2009 12:04 pm

Why me? Why not just lynch gateway?

PJ. · Post Post #487 (isolation #57) » Fri Apr 10, 2009 12:58 pm

Ok...Jazz. Do you believe that both Spolium and Chief are scum?

PJ. · Post Post #490 (isolation #58) » Fri Apr 10, 2009 1:41 pm

OMG!!!! lynch gateway..I know the role. He wins when he accumlates a certain ammount of cash. He also plants something on the killing party to make them pop up scum. I find it very very hard to believe that Jazz is got 2 people scum right.

PJ. · Post Post #502 (isolation #59) » Sat Apr 11, 2009 7:52 am

Gateway is lynched man..I see though...hmm.

PJ. · Post Post #538 (isolation #60) » Thu Apr 16, 2009 10:25 pm

I'm much happier with a verbosity lynch.

Vote:Verbosity

PJ. · Post Post #542 (isolation #61) » Fri Apr 17, 2009 11:26 am

Alright, SSK is always a lurker, other than that he has't done anything verifiably scummy.

Verbosity after being a powerhouse day 1 seemed to have avoided the days 2 and 3. Which is far more scummy then never really being here. Also his ideas have been alot more go with the flowy.

PJ. · Post Post #545 (isolation #62) » Fri Apr 17, 2009 4:36 pm

Well, Wasn't that the reason he was this alt? Wasn't that the gimmick? Wasn't that why he didn't want me to know who he was? So he COULD keep it up?

That kinda puts in perspective why I find him not initially telling me who he was as scummy.

PJ. · Post Post #567 (isolation #63) » Mon Apr 20, 2009 9:58 am

Holy crap, Jazz. That was fantastic.

PJ. · Post Post #582 (isolation #64) » Mon Apr 20, 2009 8:16 pm

In all honesty.. no.

If mafia would have been revealed each time they got a kill, i'd of been ok with that.

And Jazz is the obv MVP. she picked scum correctly 2 nights in a row. Not even obvious scum.

PJ. · Post Post #584 (isolation #65) » Mon Apr 20, 2009 11:28 pm

Azhrei wrote:I just read all the roles, and this is a really good setup. Problem is, I don't know how well it'd work with players who knew it. Give it a go anyway Bat

Good job to everyone, too. That was damn freaky set of circumstances.

IDK if it was that good...cause like you said..Mafia could opt to kill and the shop keeper could send in a shitty name and since it's only a ten percent chance that they leave evidence. And they have 3 members to leave evidence with. So Night 1 Jazz sends in not scum and mafia kills someone
that leaves 5-1-3 or 6-1-3 depending on whether there was a lynch day 1. Day 2, if the hitman claimed, town would prolly lynch the hitman. so it would be 5-3, 4-1-3,or 5-1-3 if we assume either a no lynch or mislynch occured. Day 3 could be anywhere from 4-3 to 2-1-3. In other words, it could be quite swingy. Basically the shopkeeper is a super weak vig. Not to mention if the shopkeeper gets lynched day 1, the hitman basically is an extra mafiate.

PJ. · Post Post #593 (isolation #66) » Tue Apr 21, 2009 6:19 pm

...How did he get credit for a town win? He never had to work to pick scum and he didn't choose who the scum was. Also he outted himself immediately and another player had to sacrifice her self putting you(jazz) in a situation where you HAD to send in a scum name or we'd be down two townies and a way to stop scum kills.

In otherwords, Gateways role was good and he's getting credit for jazz's awesome scumhunting