726 - Mind Screw Gaiden, Game Over

[Jahudo]

Hello all. I should be done reading some time tomorrow.

[Jahudo]

I'm all caught up now and my mind is thoroughly screwed. I'll probably need walking through some of these mechanics, I'm pretty new at these kind of games.

Sure, I'll full claim:

I am the

Townie Unmaker (Winston Smith from Nineteen Eighty-Four)

.

My active ability is called

Unperson

. Each day I can target a player in the graveyard and all their posts are deleted. That's what happened to Kinetic Day 2. It hasn't happened to anyone else because Nat left and m-m can't delete posts. :/

My inactive ability is called

Mutual

, you know the one that says g-man's in the game and not town-aligned. I don't think anyone has actually stated the name yet but tajo had considered that day 1.

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Re: Other claims:

-I believe that Tar is confirmed town through the whack-a-mole and overall towniness.

-tajo has a role I'm unfamiliar with but it sounds like a really cool inventor. I can believe his role is town.

-veerus' claim sounds like a riff on all the Half-Life themes but I guess it could be real. A big concern is that nothing here can be confirmed now. It's also part killing in a game that already has alot of potential ways to have people killed.

That leaves veerus or Isacc as last scum. I'm going to look over all their posts again next.

[Jahudo]

Gaping hole in this claim #1: Flavor makes more sense for Big Brother to have this ability instead of Winston Smith - given the rest of the roles, that's a good sign he's actually Big Brother.

In the book Winston works for the Ministry of Truth in the Records Department and it is his job to rewrite newspapers by removing "unpersons" from the records.

Big Brother as an entity more more sense as a watcher/tracker type of role. Winston was the one to remove people and he was also the protagonist of the story.

Gaping hole in this claim #2: Town should NEVER use this ability, EVER, much less on a dead Mafioso (depriving us of the opportunity to read him for possible connections).

You can bring it up with malthusis then, because I don't know why it was done on Kinetic or at all. If it was a way to test the power so it could be confirmed later on in a mass claim, then it was successful in that regard but I too wish it could have been used on someone that wasn't scum.

Are you really calling to stop the massclaim when only one person hasn't claimed yet? Isacc needs to claim and we need to think this decision through carefully today. If we mislynch we need backup plans in place for one thing.

[Jahudo]

EBWOP: Big Brother as an entity

makes

more sense as a watcher/tracker....

[Jahudo]

Here is my re-read of Veerus. I will post my re-read of Isacc later tonight and then decide who looks worse.

Suspicious points:

Deals with his inconsistent play with Tar. His reason for initially finding Tar scummy is valid, since veerus had been on Tar’s case for a while. But his reason for thinking Tar is in one scum group, then a different scum group are without reason.

Post 495 : Suggests that Tar is in a different scum group than FL. He says that Tar attacks a different person with nearly every post.

Post 501 : Asks Tar what he thinks about the possibility of multiple scum groups. Keep in mind that Veerus thinks Tar is still in the other scum group. This looks very strange that he would ask this of Tar unless he’s hoping to analyze a response he assumes will be fake.

Post 511 : Believes that Tar is in the same scum group as FL. Doesn’t provide a reason for this change of opinion.

Neutral points:

Post 49 : I don’t not think that he slipped by saying “plus there are safeclaims”. It looks more like an assumption attached to his other assumption in that sentence “that names could be town or scum”.

Post 377 : He votes for FL after she claims scum. Even fellow scum would have to bus at this point so there’s nothing town about the move. Some people said he reacted emotionally when a townsperson should have been happy to find scum, but he does mention that in a mind-screw something bad could happen (presumably to everyone, not just the scum in this case) after a scum claim. I don’t think anything in that post indicates alignment.

Post 413 : Now that we know Tar is town (unless the whack-a-mole was insane? I wouldn’t know.), this is a moot point. I guess FL could have thrown in a red herring purposely. I don’t see her making that kind of slip because somewhere in that 13 word sentence she would have realized she was talking about a QuickTopic and stopped.

Good points:

Post 485 : Thinks through the possibility of trying to lynch an invalid lynch target, which could have ended up hurting town.

Post 563 : Wants FL to claim former scumpartner after she is resurrected.

[Jahudo]

My thoughts on Isacc's play. There's a couple points I want to discuss with people after Isacc claims and answers these questions below. Right now I'm leaning towards Isacc as the last scum.

Suspicious points:

Post 354 : His theory that Tar could be G-man looks very far fetched. Part of Tar’s role is that he can kill someone metal, and Isacc cites G-man’s ability to use cell phones and metal doors as evidence that somehow relates to killing metal things? Using metal things and killing metal things are not the same. Secondly this wasn’t a massclaim stage so there could have been better flavor roles in play to match up with metal. Thirdly, Isacc goes from finding Tar the most town player to vote-worthy just because the theory of Nat as G-man proved false.

Post 361 : He votes FL after she claims scum, which is a null tell because a scumpartner would have to bus in this case. But he also says “I think a scum lynch is an option preferable to

most

others.” He says most others as if there could be a scenario where FL isn’t lynched that day, which feels like purposefully creating doubt on the lynch. Now maybe he is thinking of a way to kill FL and another scum, which is fine, but he doesn’t explain it in this manner.

Post 561 : He is voting Tar for the whack-a-mole but he also says he suspects Tar for speculating. This seems hypocritical coming from Isacc who made a case on Tar based on partial knowledge of the game’s flavor (Post 354).

Neutral point:

Post 395 : I understand Isacc’s reason for voting MafiaSSK here. I agree that it was suspicious for SSK to give just a FoS on FL to prevent “scum from quick hammering”, then only 24 hours and 17 posts later he hammers without saying anything else. It was an inconceivable change of play style to go from so cautious to so reckless when it would have taken mere seconds to count the posts in between for votes.

But, what I don’t understand about Isacc’s case here is his speculation. He believes it was scum bussing in an attempt to wait for a no-lynch? How does that work if he hammered? Wouldn’t his hammer suggest, if anything, a different scum faction looking for townie points? Deadline wasn’t anytime soon so how do you conclude that he was hoping for a no lynch?

Question:

Post 437 : States his reason for voting Tar in thinking he was G-man. Says he thought Nat or Tar was G-man on day 1.

@Isacc: Where did you believe Tar could have been G-man day 1?

Post 517 : Upset that Tar starts a case against veerus in post 515 then says Isacc should be the one to hammer Nat. Tar’s conclusion makes sense because he believes veerus is just a cult recruit while Isacc is a SK and much more dangerous.

Good point:

Post 559 : Wants resurrected FL to reveal former scum partner.

There were some others points where I thought he was pro-actively scumhunting and taking people to task (namely hp-leaves).

[Jahudo]

Finally, the bigger point against your claim (how it can be a town ability at all) just doesn't add up to me. It's roughly the equivalent of claiming Brand (the Death Millerizing Ultimate in Mind Screw 3), in my opinion.

It's a double edged sword. If I use unmaker each day on the lynch target we lose whatever posts they had, but they also cannot return as prinnys later on because they will be "Lost permanently"

Unmaker was used on Kinetic day 2 and Zwets day 3. Since then neither have returned and Zwet is listed as "Zwetzenwhatsit" in the Lost Permanently barrel because I presume he cannot be fully removed from the game without mod powers.

But if you're all gun-ho about this plan then it doesn't really matter who goes first. I don't see any flaw occuring and if you don't think 1) or 2) would fit in this setup then you're probably right. I think pop is town too, although he's a very lurky alpaca.

We should allow Isacc to claim though, don't you think? I have a feeling he's going to slip on something.

[Jahudo]

Im not a lurky alpaca, mr. jackson. Im the dreaming goddess alpaca.
please, apologize.

I'm sorry, alpaca macanudo.

tar, so you dont want me using any ability? You have no idea if any of these abilities can be helpful to town?

If we don't know what it will do, it's a risky move that may upset the balance that at this point look like an auto-win.

I wish someone would unvote because Isacc has not claimed yet and he could come in and hammer here without claiming. I feel he more than likely the last scum and either a fake or real claim will help prepare people for tomorrow. Also I have questions for Isacc that need answering.

veerus, do you disagree with my post about you?

I know that veerus said he can't be night killed, but what about Tar?

[Jahudo]

What did you think of my idea that my power could have been used for good to prevent prinnys from ever existing? Doesn't that sound like a town power?

[Jahudo]

Alright you can kill me after Isacc claims. If he's still alive tomorrow you can ask him those questions on my behalf.

I'm just trying to understand what my role was good for, but maybe that's just Nat mind screwing people.

[Jahudo]

@Isacc:

Re: Your Post 395 : I understand Isacc’s reason for voting MafiaSSK here. I agree that it was suspicious for SSK to give just a FoS on FL to prevent “scum from quick hammering”, then only 24 hours and 17 posts later he hammers without saying anything else. It was an inconceivable change of play style to go from so cautious to so reckless when it would have taken mere seconds to count the posts in between for votes.

-But why did you say it was scum bussing in an attempt to wait for a no-lynch?
-How does that work if he hammered?
-Wouldn’t his hammer suggest, if anything, a different scum faction looking for townie points?
-Deadline wasn’t anytime soon so how do you conclude that he was hoping for a no lynch?

Re: Your Post 437 : States his reason for voting Tar in thinking he was G-man. Says he thought Nat or Tar was G-man on day 1.

-Where did you believe Tar could have been G-man day 1?

[Jahudo]

Jahudo, why do you keep fighting if Tar's plan gives as an autowin even if you are town?

I'm just frustrated that I couldn't help more, maybe join earlier so I had something to do after I finished reading. Oh well, good luck.

[Jahudo]

If nothing's going to save me I might as well hammer. Am I even at L-1?

[Jahudo]

I'm a townie. Good luck for the rest of the game.

[Jahudo]

It says he's mafia jester.

This was a very interesting game to read. I want to see that mafia quicktopic to see what made f-light leave. And what was the purpose of my unmaker role?

Yay for Machiavellian-Mafia to keep this game going!!

[Jahudo]

Welcome, Winston Smith(from Nineteen Eighty-Four). In the Ministry of Love, something happened. They said this place was the next part of your rehabilitation, but you’re not so sure…

You are the Townie Unmaker.

Active Abilities—You may use one a day.
<Unperson> Each day, you may target a player in the graveyard. You will erase that person from the records, removing them from the game.

Passive Abilities
<Mutual> You know that the G-Man(from Half-Life) is in the game and is not town-aligned.

You win when all threats to the town are dead.

My role pm