Mini 779 - Killer in Smalltown Y - Over

[armlx]

No yelling in the library folks. People are trying to study here.

[armlx]

Lets break this down

imag- Jailkeeper
Grimmy- Weak Doc
Hypatia - 50/50 vig (essentially, the doc is relevant if the kill fails in figuring night actions)
Y- RB
Malthusis- Tracker
Ash- Watcher
Tar- Self watcher
Myself- Silencer
DDP- Coercer

First thing: N0 target + info claim. Order should be random among non-Tar people today, then determined on a day by day basis.

Second: Lynch. In the absence of information, the order of best lynches is DDP, Me, then Hypatia, as our abilities allow a scum group to essentially get extra kills.

[armlx]

Tar, this was discussed before, but unless you believe the Track/Watcher to be pro-town, its best to random them as well.

[armlx]

EBWODP: And by before, in the last small town game.

[armlx]

How about we actually just claim like it says above then get back to this?

I no targeted, as evidenced by everyone talking.

[armlx]

Claim: I targeted Kevin the Home Invader since I figured the Home Invader/Hider would have one of the better chances to be alive on D1, seemingly I was wrong.

Just wondering, why did you target anyone?

[armlx]

Something is up with the Tracker + Watcher I think.

[armlx]

Never mind, thought Bruce was dead. I was wondering if the watcher would see someone who was RB'ed.

It would be much easier if we actually correlated real names with the role names.

[armlx]

Vote Tina

I concur. Why didn't you block one of the killing roles to prevent scum from getting a free kill?

[armlx]

go back through past games and read them all to see if I can pick up on any supertells

I lol'ed when I read this.

Also, I wouldn't presume the RB would auto block an investigative role, as that's more or less 1 for 1ing themselves for that role when the mass claim is inevitably done.

[armlx]

We need to coordinate night actions.

[armlx]

I never said all actions necessarily have to be publicized. Some should be, and depending on if there is a breaking strategy all should be. At the very least, we should consider whether Bruce should claim target as a pseudo investigation.

For example, one strat would be for the RB to block the 50/50 vig, DDP + me to cross target, lynch Thar, have everyone else use their ability however, and lead with a Watcher + Tracker choice claim. That reveals at least 1 mafia to us, as someone will have to lie about their night action. There are some issues with this:

1. Ends up awkward if no cross kill tonight, but that's regardless.
2. If DDP or myself dies, we aren't proven to have used an ability.
3. Tracker scum can claim to have seen partner's ability.
4. Mafia can no kill, but that's fine.
5. If DDP + myself are town, its REALLY awkward.

Can anyone one up this in some other way or find some major hole in it?

[armlx]

Actually, question. If I silence John, and he coerces my vote, will I have no vote the following day?

[armlx]

Good call.

Another note about my plan: the jail keep can't target me, DDP, or the RB.

[armlx]

Imag, just one issue

If Vicky is mafia and makes the kill, does she still self watch that night?

Vicki self-watches by using her mirror, which is affixed to her property. She would have to step away from the mirror to execute a scum kill. So, to answer your question, no.

[armlx]

Also, something to keep in mind for whomever it may be:

The Serial Killer WANTS to hit mafia tonight. If we mislynch, and the SK and mafia kill townies, the SK loses. If we lynch right, even then they are still a dog in the 3-2-1 end game.

[armlx]

I seriously need to think this over. There's a part of me that's outright reminded of Quack Mafia, where I'm pretty sure the optimal play is to play as Mountainous...

That's usually the wrong play in Smalltown. All the ones I've played in, I've seen action planning break things pretty wide open for the town.

[armlx]

The odds of you being RB'ed is 0, as the RB is the only confirmed town I think.

[armlx]

No, the RB has several votes on them and is far from confirmed town; the Jailkeeper is "confirmed town" if we believe Bruce to be pro-town as he didn't die last night.

Ah, there we go, never mind. Confusing roles.

[armlx]

FOS DDP

for wanting to No Lynch.

[armlx]

We need to lynch at every chance we get in this set up. There is no room for free rolls.

[armlx]

Actually, there's not much room for error either, so blind lynches can really hurt the town.

Logical lynch > random lynch > illogical lynch > no lynch.

Oh wait, same as always. Way to state the obvious and make it sound insightful.

[armlx]

Killing me is a mistake. I know I tend to be scummy every time I play. That's my play style and that's how my logic works.

Lol.

Seriously?

[armlx]

Not an excuse dude.

[armlx]

@armlx and malthusis: Who do you think is scum besides me? Who else should be noticed? Why am I more scummy than all the people who let both the mafia-doc and SK-doc die N0?

Choosing not to jailkeep a doc is reasonable. Jailkeep is also stronger then conditional doc, so Bruce's weak doc choice is right by far.

Personally, I would say maybe DDP, but most info this game is going to come tomorrow morning once we get night actions set.

You also can't compare this scenario to people finding normal tells scummy, its a night action choice here. No similarity.

[armlx]

Lol at the last post. Close defense.

Keep in mind, we aren't getting anywhere off a no lynch.

[armlx]

We aren't progressing towards eliminating the scum without a lynch, with two deaths a night most likely. Seems loose.

Top of the page vote count:

Tina has 3 votes (Richard, Misty, Tom)
Richard has 1 vote (Tina)
1 player is voting for a No Lynch (John)
4 are not voting (Bruce, Charles, Mary Rose, Vicki)
9 alive, eh, 5 to lynch.

[armlx]

V/LA this weekend starting tomorrow. Not sure exactly which yet, but probably the former.

And obv scum pair thanks.

If we don't lynch right today there's a good chance we lose regardless of no lynch, mislynch, night actions, etc. We don't actually have time on our side in this set up. We have to go for it.

[armlx]

Honestly, you never throw away a chance to kill in the face of killing groups unless doing so does not cost the town a kill in the long run.

[armlx]

@armlx and malthusis: Who do you think is scum besides me? Who else should be noticed? Why am I more scummy than all the people who let both the mafia-doc and SK-doc die N0?

Choosing not to jailkeep a doc is reasonable. Jailkeep is also stronger then conditional doc, so Bruce's weak doc choice is right by far.

Personally, I would say maybe DDP, but most info this game is going to come tomorrow morning once we get night actions set.

You also can't compare this scenario to people finding normal tells scummy, its a night action choice here. No similarity.

The answer to the first part is don't give a fuck, that's what night actions are for BTW.

[armlx]

I think Richard should claim who Bruce targeted, then Bruce should claim who he did target.

[armlx]

God damn it. Seriously. Read the single page of posts next time.

[armlx]

The silencing did in fact happen. There's still ways for him to essentially talk though, so it shouldn't be an issue.

[armlx]

Me again? In the course of my peeping I saw that John

did

target Bruce.

Just John?

[armlx]

Hypatia, target? Same with Imaginality (show it by voting then unvoting that person).

DDP targeting the dead person looks scummy on the surface, but if he was scum he would have just targeted someone who was going to live and won. So either scum misplayed or DDP is town.

[armlx]

This is dumb.

Assumption: If John was lying about his target he would have to be scum.

Conclusion: If Tom is telling the truth, then John-scum has 2 votes, which plus the other scum is a majority meaning the game is over anyways.

Exceptions: John targeted another scum, or the Jailkeeper ability is involved somehow.

[armlx]

I targeted Charles/imaginality. The mod said I protected him. And later, when I asked, the mod confirmed that the silencing mechanism does not count as an attack.

This is very iffy. You targeted the most confirmed person IIRC as that was who Grimmy/Bruce targeted N1.

[armlx]

Never mind, ignore last post, forgot the plan from yesterday was updated.

[armlx]

Away till a week from Tuesday.

[armlx]

My night choice is in, not hammering to see what the last couple of people have to say about the plan first.