Open 156 - Friends and Enemies - Game Over before 816

[Raivann]

/confirm

[Raivann]

Vote: Toro

You're the man now, dogg!

[Raivann]

Exalt, I don't really understand why you placed a random vote and then removed it without placing it elsewhere. What does that accomplish?

At this point, I am assuming we are going past the RVS stage, so I'm not going to keep a vote on someone simply because they are an asshole. That doesn't make them scummy. Once I find a real reason to vote someone I will do it, trust me I don't have hesitations to vote ever, but I would at least like a good reason for it, ya know?

I agree with ekiM.
Seems like Exalt is trying too hard w/this post

unvote, Vote: Exalt

[Raivann]

@Raivann: Please answer my question to you on why your single and only post in the entire game is to say that I was trying too hard when I removed my vote. Since it was your only post of the game and since you voted me without explaining it, I'm asking that you do. How was I trying too hard, and in what way did it look scummy enough to deserve a vote.

No hard evidence, just a hunch.
My explanation was trying too hard, should have said to appear townie.
You also seem overly worried about my vote on you.

I'm sorry for saying I agree w/you ekiM.
It won't happen again.

[Raivann]

Anyways, Raivann is scum. We should all vote for her.

So sorry, townie here and I'm a dude, Danny

[Raivann]

@DDD-Are you certain I'm scum?

[Raivann]

1) Meta - I was working on a pet project of mine and compiling data from a recently completed Newbie game Raivann was involved in. In the first five pages he had nearly thirty posts and accounted for almost thirty percent of all game posts, he was a vanilla townie. So far in this game he has a total of six posts over a similar time span. And it's not as if this was an ineffective strategy, town won the game and Raivann was NKed N3. So why such a substantial change in style unless there's a change in role?

Yeah this is true, but did you notice my scumdar was off almost all game too!
I'm having a hard time in this game at the moment. I'm not even sure I like my vote on Exalt after rereading him.

[Raivann]

I wouldn't say Exalt has foot-in-mouth disease, but his temper-flares do make him a cheap target.

@Raivann: linkies to completed games, please.

I've completed 2 newbie games, I don't know how to put in links though

unvote,Vote: Debonair Danny DiPietro

I originally didn't mind his vote on me. We could see voting patterns and such.Now he's trying to get me lynched because he sees me as an easy target.
I'm thinking scumteam is DDD/Toro.[/url]

[Raivann]

I just skimmed through the first pages of Zazie's links. Turns out Raivann was more active both as town and as scum.

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@Itac: I think you've posted less than Raivann. How would you feel if we lynched you to test your case?

Fyi my home comp. is down I'm trying to squeeze in posts from work.

[Raivann]

@Zazie-
My vote on Exalt didn't really have any hard evidence just a feeling.

I didn't mean to claim anything except not scum.But I am Vanilla Townie

[quote"Zazie"]
Did he say the bolded? If so, where? If not, why do you think this?
And why DDD/Toro?
[/quote]
No, because I wanted to OMGUS vote him.
And Toro just from a process of elimination.

Are you asking a bunch of questions to keep heat off you?

[Raivann]

@everyone else- I still think That DDD has a chance to be a big shot scum, lol, but he makes a point. I think we might want to test the case.
Why? If Raivann is lynched and he is town we might be short of one people but a nontalkative one, since he is counterproductive is not a big deal and might then watch the patterns of behavior , the bandwagoners and reactions to the lynch.

I wouldn't say counterproductive. I'm just having a little virus problem on home computer.
Instead of lynching me to see DDD's alignment, let's just lynch DDD.

[Raivann]

Raivann

Two questions:
-Who is your top suspect and why?
-If you had to compare the way you play here with one of your newbie games, which playstyle would be more similar with the one you use here and why?

I've still got many suspects
DDD for still bringing up my post count, I said I had computer virus(fixed now btw).

Santos for not voting anyone and just hoping town mislynches on its own

Zazie Im suspicious of too many questions like your trying to 'appear' townie

I was agreeing with your case on itacv2, I'll reread him.

muzzz- Don't have a read on yet

I am getting townie vibes off Exalt & ekiM

As far as my playstyle goes it's a work in progress, I tunneled way too much on one player my last game. The game I played with you I was scum and it was my first game ever, I was just trying not to screw it up.
This game I'm trying to narrow down whose scum, getting there.
So to answer the question it's neither.

And I'd rather not lynch DDD yet, my suspect list is too high still.

[Raivann]

FrankiePeanuts was criticized for making more analysis than suspicions and not wanting to ruffle feathers, then Zazie replaces him and goes overboard with questions and says 'noted' alot. Not much but it's more than I have on DDD

unvote, Vote: Zazie

P.S. I know I've been moving my vote around alot. I'm not doing it to be anti town or anything, just voting who I'm most suspicious of at the moment.

[Raivann]

Raivann, you said that you were agreeing with the case Zazie made on itacv2 and would reread him. Have you reread him? What do you conclude?

Reading him in iso all his posts are about DDD & me. I thought that if he was scum he would have switched his vote to me, then I realized you called him out on his 'test the case' theory. Another reason for him not switching could be that DDD had more votes on him.
His posts do seem scummy, I'd be down for itacv2 lynch

unvote, Vote:itacv2

[Raivann]

on second thought I'm with Toro, I wanna lynch DDD

unvote, Vote:Debonair Danny Dipietro

[Raivann]

Toro seems pretty confident, DDD has lurked recently and he doesn't even take into account my explanation of why my early post count was low.
I'll check out 177 & 179 now.
cheers mate

[Raivann]

Feelings are caused by something in the posts of said player. Can you state what or at least which post(s)?
But you claimed. And my question was why you already claimed. Which is what you have avoided to answer. So please answer.

The OMGUS vote is noted. Not liking it one bit. Especially as you didn''t address his points, except for the meta point.
Can you also elaborate how the process of elimination regarding Toro went?

I didn't mean to claim. All I said was that I was townie.

Toro I was wrong about.He's all about lynching DDD

I am thinking scum is trying to setup icatv2 for mislynch. And I'm thinking scum might be lurking.

Do you support a DDD lynch? If so, why?

Yeah, like icactv2 says he may be 'big shot scum'.

[Raivann]

lynches I now support:

DDD,Zazie,
muzzz- Seems to go with the flow a little too much trying to keep it low key and blend in.

[Raivann]

Big shot scum, haha!
Seriously I think there's alot of townie vs townie arguements going on and scum are loving it.
Where's Exalt?

[Raivann]

@Zazie- I get the feeling that your more interested in pinning people down than trying to help the town, It feels like the Spanish Inquisition.

[Raivann]

I mean I wasn't alive then, but one could imagine. I'm not a witch!

[Raivann]

no access till monday

[Raivann]

And if you think that scum is either lurking or setting up a mislynch on itacv2, then why did you vote DDD/ And why did you vote itacv2 then if you think it''s a mislynch?

My votes were what I thought at the time, my scumdar is not working well at the moment , I'm too busy answering questions.

[Raivann]

How have you gone from thinking itacv2 was scummy to thinking he might be a mislynch?

You expressed agreement with the case on itacv2 and voted for him. However you soon unvoted and pushed a competing wagon. Now you're questioning the itacv2 wagon altogether. You're trying to have it both ways. Why is that?

I got a bad feeling that scum was going after him because he is an easy target.
But you do make a good point , he could be inexperienced scum.

[Raivann]

I NEED to catch up... plus I need to do that analysis wall post. This game has been on my backburner for a while... I'll try to focus on this game today when I have time.

@ everyone

: Just wondering... but most of you have been leaving me alone lately regarding the lurking. I have been lurking quite a bit yet no one seems to have taken much notice. Can I ask why?

Also

@ everyone

: I'm going to do analysis post soon. Can everyone please explain their current suspicions of players so far in the game? I want to know where everyone stands before I make a huge post that could influence anything, just in case people decide to backpeddle and state they never had any type of suspicions on certain players.

I commented about you not being around.

I think I'd like to lynch Zazie over itacv2. I explained my suspicions before. Frankiepeanuts doing more analysis than scumhunting then Zazie replacing and questoning everything.

unvote, Vote:Zazier

[Raivann]

Isn't Santos voting itacv2 not Zazier?

[Raivann]

I believe itacv2's claim and I too think he should name his partner

[Raivann]

damn I got some votes on me. But why me I was the one who was right about itacv2 being town?

How bout we lynch someone on itacv2's wagon like,

DDD or Zazier

[Raivann]

unvote, Vote:Debonair Danny DiPietro

[Raivann]

@ConfidAnon- What's your opinion on Exalt's case on DDD?

[Raivann]

No, I'm just suspicious of everyone on my wagon.

Why would I want to get lynched?

[Raivann]

I might seem scummy and been playing subpar to this point,but I really think there was scum on that itacv2 wagon.

A better lynch for today is someone who has been on both mine and itacv2's wagon.

[Raivann]

If Exalt was scum I think he could have hammered me and received little flak from the town about it.
But maybe staying off my wagon and going after DDD would make him look good after I flip town. Scum Exalt thinking that someone else would drop the hammer on me.
I think its town Exalt going after someone he thinks is more scummy than me.

[Raivann]

I still would like to have these explanations why you claimed and how the PoE went, Raivann

I said I was town because I am.
the PoE was after reading everyone in iso and thinking who would be partners with DDD.

Raivann, what do you think of Toro's unvote?

Toro is a mason, why does it matter?

[Raivann]

But maybe staying off my wagon and going after DDD would make him look good after I flip town. Scum Exalt thinking that someone else would drop the hammer on me.

Here comes another 180.
After reading Exalt's and DDD's recent posts over and over I actually believe DDD. Exalt could very well be the big shot scum here.

unvote, Vote:Exalt

[Raivann]

[quote="ConfidAnon
Things like this 180 are extremely scummy.[/quote]
Yeah if I was scum with a deathwish, but it's still day 1, not like we're in lylo or something

[Raivann]

oops, preview's my friend.

[Raivann]

I think that after me taking a stance against Zazier it was best not to eliminate me but instead kill my partner.

Vote Zazier

again
I think that following DDD without evidence was a bad move. So i guess we should seek for the second scum in that list of Exalt votes

ConfidAnon is scum.

[Raivann]

The whole way he hoped on the Exalt wagon.

[Raivann]

Out of Raivann and Exalt, I think Raivann is far scummier.

then his next post...

It's so close to deadline, I'm happy with switching my vote to Exalt. I agree with DDD about how his votes were valid, and I now see the contradiction that ekiM pointed out. In addition, I don't like how Exalt places so much weight on people being confirmed in his wall of text. Just because someone is confirmed now does not mean that a vote on them that occurred before confirmation is not valid, nor does it mean that they are now magically right in all of their suspicions.

My suspicion is not gone from Raivann, but my vote now lies on Exalt.

Unvote, Vote: Exalt

The above quote is what scum hopping on a wagon looks like.
He pretends to now believe ekiM and bla blah. Keeps his suspicion on me and finds me far scummier but votes Exalt. Setting up my mislynch today. He figured it should be pretty easy since I was already on Exalt wagon.

[Raivann]

Zazie & ConfidAnon both start off day 2 with a Raivann vote, looks almost planned.
A 'strateegery' as Bush would say.

[Raivann]

Sho, You seem to hop on all the popular wagons, you gonna vote me too?
What are your D2 thoughts?

[Raivann]

@Raivann: saying I "go with the flow" and "blend in" after I start attacking your buddy Toro? As Zazie would say: noted.

Muzzz does go with the flow and try to blend in and try to keep low key.

If Toro is a mason, I should unvote.

About the only scumhunting he's done all game is vote for Toro, my buddy.

[Raivann]

Or as Zazie says it, its called D1.

But it's D2 and I'll be less scummy, I promise.

[Raivann]

vote:muzzz

Vote Count #20

Could you guys spread your votes out any more?

Raivann (2) - ConfidAnon, ZazieR
Sho Minamimoto (1) - Debonair Danny DiPietro
ekiM (1) - Sho Minamimoto
muzzz (1) - Raivann
ZazieR (1) - itacv2

[Raivann]

@muzzz- I didn't see any questions directed at me

[Raivann]

Raivann, what's up with all the 180s towards the end of yesterdy?

Everytime I read the thread I thought something different

Raivann says ConfidAnon is scum for the way he joined the Exalt wagon. Some OK points. However, you joined his wagon making it the biggest, which looks a bit like self-defence.

No vote. Why?

I'm trying to be less spaztaztic today. I think day 1 was a good day for that, move my vote around alot and see what kind of reactions I get, and not to mention I didn't have a clue who scum was.

I am still thinking that ConfidAnon may be scum, however muzzz has slid under the radar.

Both people who were sure DDD is scum are dead.

I'm not sure about Sho. He says there is a exalt/raivann connection, but Exalt was town. So that wouldn't help his scum motives.

ekiM has appeared most townie to me, so there is a good chance he is probably scum.

So right now my top suspects are:

Muzzz
CofidAnon

And to a lesser extent:

Zazie
DDD

[Raivann]

And since when was Toro your buddy?

@Raivann: saying I "go with the flow" and "blend in"

after I start attacking your buddy Toro?

As Zazie would say: noted.

[Raivann]

I just read Exalt's post 427 again and he makes some good points regarding a possible muzzz/DDD scumteam.

[Raivann]

@DDD: because I assumed your vote was intended as the rock through the window you mentioned. If there's more to it, then by all means, elaborate.

Well if I have reasons then surely you want to know them and you seemed to be giving me a pass that you weren't giving others. And if you assume I didn't have reasons then again it's curious that you're just letting me get away with voting someone for no particular reason.

I too find it curious that muzzz gave you a pass. Muzzz also defended you when Toro vote you.

Vote: Toro
For tunneling on DDD.

[Raivann]

You're seriously gonna put me at L1 because I jokingly called Toro my buddy after you did and then didn't answer your question about it because it was you who originally posted it?

Town, Let us lynch muzzz.

[Raivann]

@Toro: mostly because you lack arguments. Seriously, DDD has got more on Raivann than you do on him.

And regardless of that, tunneling is always bad. Especially if there's more than one scumbag left.

Here's another example of the muzzz & DDD lovefest.

[Raivann]

Awful quiet in here.

[Raivann]

While muzzz's reason to vote me is real lame, ConfidAnon is obvscum.

unvote, Vote:ConfidAnon

@Netlava- You should vote for ConfidAnon, I'm a townie. A scummy townie, but a townie nevertheless.

[Raivann]

I think muzzz & raivann are scum.

No, scumteam is not muzzz/Raivann.
I think this is one thing Muzzz and I can agree on.

Have our interactions shown you anything to make you think we are scum partners?

[Raivann]

What do you mean 'lack of interaction' ,I've been on muzzz for awhile now.

[Raivann]

Wow !
scum has got control of this thread.

[Raivann]

u guys are blind. good luck town!