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Post Post #10 (isolation #0) » Tue Aug 11, 2009 8:48 am

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See this game is a game of floors.

What do floors have between them?

Spaces.

Thats right. Scum are going to mainuplate the spaces to oust us one and all.

HOWEVER, they hath been caught.

Vote: DDD


Lord Gurgi is OBVIOUSLY his scumpartner.

By nature we have two confirmed innocents as well because they COULD have spaces but chose not to:

LLamafluff and SpyreX.

Beware the spaces. Beware the darkness.
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Post Post #13 (isolation #1) » Tue Aug 11, 2009 10:58 am

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:O

I missed you entirely.

I beg your forgiveness.

Of course in the future if you don't want that to happen you should make sure to caps your R. Sheesh.

I can only read so closely you know.
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Post Post #20 (isolation #2) » Tue Aug 11, 2009 4:44 pm

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Well at least you're not scum now. :P Far too obvious compared to your masterwork in WoT (yea thats right cross-game props for that performance).

I see forbidden has come to grips with my role as leader for life (or leader 4 lyfe for you cool cats).

The clear answer is more DDD votes. Always.

Goat can be my man at arms - he's definitely not a scholar after that whole not-capitalizing-things-right-to-look-like-a-miscreant business
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Post Post #22 (isolation #3) » Tue Aug 11, 2009 5:15 pm

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But if we successfully lynched him then we wouldn't be able to lynch the other scum!

I've got my eye on you missy.
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Post Post #35 (isolation #4) » Thu Aug 13, 2009 6:50 am

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I actually haven't looked. What are we lookin at deadline wise?

And yea, you say ignore the R so I did. Sheesh
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Post Post #37 (isolation #5) » Thu Aug 13, 2009 7:00 am

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Ohh sheesh three weeks is almost an entire BaM game. Got me all worried there.
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Post Post #52 (isolation #6) » Thu Aug 13, 2009 2:47 pm

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Ohh Battousai comin in harshin the mellow.

I'll do some real stuff when its not the wifes bday.
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Post Post #122 (isolation #7) » Sun Aug 16, 2009 1:08 pm

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I hath been prodded. I will be catching up soonish.
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Post Post #130 (isolation #8) » Mon Aug 17, 2009 8:54 am

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Greetings one and all, I hath returnedish and I am ready to party it up.

So, lets get this party started with the great topic of discussion: the bellhop claiming.

Facts (and a few facts I think have been missed/misinterpreted)

1.) The bellhop can use his power even on a locked floor.
2.) The person whom the bellhop hops over IS notified of his move.
3.) This movement occurs AFTER the night phase (morning).
4.) A locked floor grants total immunity to all players on locked floor.

So, from this:

1.) Barring super-secret mod-mechanics, a bellhop with the town protecting them is flat out invincible.
--- Considering the setup I am not banking on super-secret mod mechanics.
2.) A scum bellhop can not, by nature of what we've seen, "secretly" move people around. They will know they are moved.
--- This means that a scum bellhop couldn't "pretend" to do the towns wishes and do something else instead.
3.) The movement occurs after night so even if there is a scum bellhop that doesn't out himself it changes nothing about us protecting OUR bellhop.

With that said: I'm for the bellhop claim.

Lets break it down scenario wise:

1.) One claim / no CC.
--- Pretty much the best scenario. The only way this would be bad is if there is only A single scum bellhop and even then he is crippled.

2.) Claim / CC
--- Expected scenario. Guaranteed scum. Even if we're on the losing end of the 1-1 not terrible as the lynch mechanic is important and not the night actions if we lose the town bellhop.

3.) No claims
--- Scum bellhop. Not likely but if it happens we just watch who moves around and play normal type.

4.) 1000 claims.
--- Parse it out do some lynching get to scenario 2.

So, overall, I'm seeing town.

Now, for THE SCUMHUNTING:

Unvote, Vote: LLamaFluff
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If your issue was simply wanting to play regularly versus breaking the setup why did you not intially say so versus putting up rationales that don't stand out as strong and THEN switching to the "scumhunting" stance?
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Post Post #132 (isolation #9) » Mon Aug 17, 2009 11:16 am

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The main issue I have with that is I dont expect in this group mentally deficient scum and, ultimately, until busted they'll play the bellhop like town which will turn into some fat-lylo mishaps.

However, it is not a fist-down kind of issue. I can float it with the caveat that we approach it tomorrow.

Further, lets broach the other issue all democratic-like. I say we use some common sense to lock a room for the day and do it soon.

So, what I propose (unless we have bellhops active) is simple. Everyone say who they think should be protected tonight. We reach a consensus, they say their bidness, claim a color and BOOM one good townie locked down.

Hint: Yourself isn't ever the right answer.
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Post Post #135 (isolation #10) » Mon Aug 17, 2009 12:05 pm

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@FL:

Productivity is the answer. The lock mechanic lends itself to townhunting, as it were.

@LF:

Even if this ALL works its not "breaking the setup". Its eliminating the scum-power ploy if it exists with the bellhop AND putting that power right in the towns hands. Its not follow the cop, its keep the towny alive.
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Post Post #140 (isolation #11) » Mon Aug 17, 2009 2:42 pm

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It was at me.

WHAT other concerns? That we, in fact, pick a scum that is playing the towniest game that ever towned and thusly he cant...be....?'d

And voting for yourself wouldn't create ties and/or more information to look at when the game progresses as well as being, ultimately, counterproductive.

So yea still not sure what huge negative we would get from locking via the towniest player (thus forcing a less than optimal kill assuming all other factors equal).
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Post Post #144 (isolation #12) » Mon Aug 17, 2009 4:39 pm

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If we have at least two claims AND they all end up town I'll eat all the hats.

It's just not happening. Especially considering the mechanics involved in this game (bellhop chain-protection wagon hoo).

As an aside: am I missing something or does the lock room serve to give the town a huge advantage at night? Early on its, assuming normal distribution, 2-3 townies that have doc protection and the scum have NO idea who.

That's almost enough to make me rethink my whole town-protection scheme but probably not. I'd have to crunch numbers but we'll see.
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Post Post #167 (isolation #13) » Tue Aug 18, 2009 7:52 am

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Color me confused at the series of events that just happened.

However, looking at FL unless she's playing games within games I'm willing to go with this being a town maneuver.

Lock: Green


@LLama:

What would have, up to this point, stopped you from scumhunting? You've mentioned this more than once now and when combined with the slippy-slide of setup speculation I'm not thrilled.
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Post Post #171 (isolation #14) » Tue Aug 18, 2009 9:36 am

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If that is the case (and I doubt it) have you not setup a scenario where scumhunting can not happen?

If setup-speculation = no ability to look for scum then how, exactly, is one going to START looking for scum?
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Post Post #174 (isolation #15) » Tue Aug 18, 2009 10:51 am

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But, we have. Or have been.

My vote on you isn't an accident or pressure. Its a for mad reals vote.

However, how's this for some discussion: I'd probably without much hand-wringing also be down to lynch Battousai.

Further, if he WAS scum, I would be all ready to lynch someone else. Guess who?
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Post Post #177 (isolation #16) » Tue Aug 18, 2009 11:05 am

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Thats cool FL but play my chain-lynch-guess-who game too!

It'll be fun and profitable, I promise.
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Post Post #179 (isolation #17) » Tue Aug 18, 2009 11:11 am

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However, how's this for some discussion: I'd probably without much hand-wringing also be down to lynch Battousai.

Further, if he WAS scum, I would be all ready to lynch someone else. Guess who?

^

Its an easy one, mind you. But a good starter!
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Post Post #183 (isolation #18) » Tue Aug 18, 2009 12:19 pm

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I can kinda dig but DDD's whole three posts / justification for said vote make me worried.
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Post Post #185 (isolation #19) » Tue Aug 18, 2009 12:33 pm

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That DDD is los scum. You know, the one you jumped in to protect and asked the worlds most obvious question about right here.
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Post Post #187 (isolation #20) » Tue Aug 18, 2009 12:42 pm

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I'm good. Damn good.

I'm not good enough to have the entire game figured out 8 pages in though.

I'm definitely not down with the Bat-DDD connection. Thats as far as I've got.
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Post Post #190 (isolation #21) » Tue Aug 18, 2009 2:16 pm

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My mind is totally blown to shreds. SHREDS. Of course it might have meant something if you had mentioned it BEFORE I did but now the cards show Greyhounds.

I meant I dislike the connection o' course.
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Post Post #194 (isolation #22) » Tue Aug 18, 2009 2:38 pm

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Look not into the owl, for the owl gazes into you.

We hath almost reached lock. It has begun
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Post Post #198 (isolation #23) » Wed Aug 19, 2009 7:49 am

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I could subscribe to this newsletter.

In fact I think I will.

Unvote, Vote DDD


OHhhhh SHI THIRD VOTER SPOTTED CHOO CHOO
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Post Post #208 (isolation #24) » Wed Aug 19, 2009 3:50 pm

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@Goat:

Why is DDD your greatest town read?

@DDD:

Hold up a sec. No reason at all to get personal. I've got no beef with you at all.

In fact that line seems way over the top in general.
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Post Post #234 (isolation #25) » Thu Aug 20, 2009 8:03 am

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New games are new games for a reason.

I've got no beef with 99% of the players on this site on a personal level. Portraying it like such really bothers me.

And yea, in an odd set of meta-land no direct bearing on this game Gurgi knows EXACTLY why I'm very, very sure not to try to offend someone personally soo...
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Post Post #259 (isolation #26) » Thu Aug 20, 2009 7:16 pm

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I see what LG is saying.

I don't find either side culpabale at all for this (I am tired though).

I do raise that the not-color claiming does make some townies BP's which could be a huge gain depending.
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Post Post #262 (isolation #27) » Fri Aug 21, 2009 5:54 am

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And now that I think about it IF there was a scum bellhop it'd be impossible to "lock them into colors" soo....

back to the topic at hand.

I'm feelin awful lazy at the moment so Goat:

Why does DDD feel so town?
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Post Post #264 (isolation #28) » Fri Aug 21, 2009 6:08 am

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You're putting more stock than I would in not being here for the start of the game.

What do you think about Zaz getting replaced?

HOWEVER, there is one point I will give you:

Unvote, Vote: Batt


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Post Post #267 (isolation #29) » Fri Aug 21, 2009 7:36 am

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I'm not sure why since thats what I would have said. :P
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Post Post #286 (isolation #30) » Sat Aug 22, 2009 8:45 am

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I'm not down with shameless bandwagon votes.

Unvote, Vote: Zazier


You better get something moving in real quick thar'.
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Post Post #288 (isolation #31) » Sat Aug 22, 2009 9:15 am

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I didn't think it was?
LG wrote:I don't think DDD's reaction to SpyreX is town. I'm surprised that PJ/Flay hasn't stepped in yet.
That compared to:
Zaz wrote: I voted him as most players were joking around during the RVS. So what better way to get out of the RVS with a good healthy bandwagon. As there hadn't been anything scummy yet, I went with the bandwagon of a player who at least had shown anti-town behaviour.
LG has a STANCE. Bandwagons for the of bandwagons is up there with "lol, reactions" voting.
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Post Post #291 (isolation #32) » Sat Aug 22, 2009 9:33 am

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Huh. I absolutely missed that.

Where does he lol, reactions define it? I saw the quote from above - is there also the other?
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Post Post #293 (isolation #33) » Sat Aug 22, 2009 10:09 am

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If they get caught up and start participating and there is something more to it then we'll see.

The fact it was a shameless bandwagon that they posted as such and stayed on bothers me.

Now, if a Zaz wagon starts flaming across the stratosphere towards lynch BEFORE anything is said that is a different matter entirely.
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Post Post #295 (isolation #34) » Sat Aug 22, 2009 10:12 am

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How does my vote alter a natural pacing of things?

Further, if one's justification for a vote is a bandwagon that you post while catching up wouldn't a natural response be to remove it or justify it at this juncture?
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Post Post #297 (isolation #35) » Sat Aug 22, 2009 10:19 am

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Hopefully to explain himself?

As an aside that I don't want to lose - I placed a vote on Bat with minimal reasoning (even actively saying explanations are for chumps) and he's posted and never said anything about it.

Back to this discourse though - why are you saying something about this versus letting Zaz naturally come to conclusions? If the idea is I've altered the natural progression of catching up aren't you doing the same by challenging this before he posts?
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Post Post #299 (isolation #36) » Sat Aug 22, 2009 10:30 am

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Thats not what I'm getting at exactly. Saying I've altered the natural course of events in such a fashion alters them even moreso. Which is even odder because I think a vote after said shenanigans is fairly natural. :P

Although, overall I'm fine with this conversation because this game needs a swift kick to get some movement done before we start getting deadlineitis.
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Post Post #310 (isolation #37) » Sat Aug 22, 2009 5:15 pm

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Its a better dimension far as I can be concerned.

DDD: Your stance on 4 players, your choice, not including yourself and why.
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Post Post #313 (isolation #38) » Sat Aug 22, 2009 6:15 pm

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You find it hard to believe I didn't really pay close attention to page 2?

Lol, reactions isn't just about doing something for reactions. Its more when you do something that people go "huh" and your response is some form of lol, reactions.

And you can call it inconsistent but something is to be said for you trying to apply consistency to LG's vote and subsequent play and Zaz's vote / lurk / explanation of vote.

Since they're not the same.
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Post Post #315 (isolation #39) » Sat Aug 22, 2009 6:42 pm

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So two parts of this:

That part of the game from my memory on my side went:

I checked it, saw LF's post about the deadline. Quick posted about it. Saw an answer. Saw a really bizarre defense of DDD like it was going somewhere and posted about harshing the mellow.

So, since I am attracted to lots of words I glossed over the gap I missed and saw Batt's post. I'm a bit of a squirrel early on that way.

At THAT point would I have pressured Gurgi? Probably a little.

If after that post Gurgi fell out of the game for a few pages and then came back and defended that vote like that would I have voted for him like such? Hoss yes.
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Post Post #319 (isolation #40) » Sat Aug 22, 2009 7:35 pm

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I am totally down with townie hunting.

In fact, I have one that I am way, way sure is town already. A couple that I'm leaning hard on that way too.
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Post Post #334 (isolation #41) » Mon Aug 24, 2009 7:38 am

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FL, if scum, will be convicted LATER.

I'm leaning hard on not, though. In fact, I'll go so far as to say town.

But not like the super town (duh): Goat.

Or the fairly town: Patrick.

Then there is a bit of a void and we stumble into the realm of the dark.
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Post Post #347 (isolation #42) » Mon Aug 24, 2009 9:59 am

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I like DDD's post (GASP).

I think its time to start consolidating and moving like a train. Not that I'm pessimistic about activity flurries in the next 7 days... but I'm pessimistic about activity flurries in the next 7 days. :P
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Post Post #356 (isolation #43) » Mon Aug 24, 2009 5:27 pm

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Llama:

If you had two bullets right now, who would you shoot? Why?
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Post Post #395 (isolation #44) » Tue Aug 25, 2009 3:01 pm

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... Wait, what reason, really, was there behind it. My spaces joke?

Because I'm pretty sure the first time you chimed in with it was before anything even beginning to be real reasons happened.
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Post Post #397 (isolation #45) » Tue Aug 25, 2009 3:20 pm

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Hmmm, ok.

However, during all of that you never mentioned me. I know I was random to start but even when that vote turned normal for a mo not even a peep.

When I voted for you not really a peep either.

What makes me so cool?
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Post Post #399 (isolation #46) » Tue Aug 25, 2009 3:26 pm

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So a pointless vote warrants NO response?
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Post Post #402 (isolation #47) » Tue Aug 25, 2009 3:47 pm

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....

I will not cry tears if Zaz gets lynched for lurking. I will help it.

However, for now, and for reals.

Unvote, Vote: Battousai


Come tomorrow there will be the nice creamy case.
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Post Post #408 (isolation #48) » Wed Aug 26, 2009 11:12 am

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Time to give what was promised:

Battousai, come on down:
Post 1 wrote: What's with the vote on the person who hasn't posted yet? I see two town reasons: to get an active lurker to post or to get an inactive player lynched before their inactiveness does harm.

I don't see the first as feasible, as DDD hasn't posted yet. Therefore you don't know if DDD has been active, unless you have seen him post elsewhere (which I'm assuming you haven't as you have failed to link evidence).

The second I see as more plausible, yet unlikely or at least premature. The game started on Tuesday. You made your vote less random today, which is just around 7 hrs over 3 days. We have 3 weeks left of today, so you are wanting them lynched now instead of replaced or even prodded to make sure they know the game has started.

What seems to be the most likely, is that you are trying to lynch a player who hasn't been on to defend themselves, and leave yourself defence of lynching someone who would be hurtful when DDD flips.
When I read this is bothered me. When I read it again it really bothered me.

This is quantifying an early wagon into a no-defense lynch. There is no questioning this is "LF, the scum, is voting for DDD the lurker-town to get him lynched
before DDD can play the game
."

Then as soon as it becomes apparent DDD is on the site, but not posting, the vote is downgraded to another FoS (making three).

Yet, later we get:
LG- He may not feel it now, but he may feel it when he wakes up. Also, my FOS's do mean something, as in I find these people suspicious. Actually I think I can say with some certainty that at least one person on the DDD wagon is scum, regardless of DDD's alignment.
Which leaves us with:
4 - Debonair Danny DiPietro (SpyreX, LlamaFluff, ZazieR, Lord Gurgi)
Zaz already has a FoS, LLamaFluff was downgraded, I, still, wasn't mentioned and LG also FoS'd for said vote.

Now, as is mentioned later its because I was the "random" vote when asked but in that case - why not simply say one of your 3 FoS's was scum? Why still add me in to the mix if my reasoning for being on this wagon wasn't scummy?
There's a couple of things that have rung as scummy here. First is how you go middle of the road for a claimed role, but leave room for her to be lynched if you get the support by saying you don't like one of her posts. Basically you said, "I have no read, yet she has acted scummy."
From defender to odd finger pointing.

However, the above stuck an off chord. The actively unexplained vote on me (after I had said I would lynch him in talking with DDD) getting no response in conjunction with the above sure does.

I've got an off-the-wall theory about how this all connects but it is fairly cookoobanannas and not quite baked yet.

Lets just say that if Batt flips a scum PR then DDD is clear. If Batt flips goon then its questionable. If Batt flips town then I need to be less paranoid because this reeks of maneuvering.

This definitely isn't my best case - because, at heart, I'm just quantifying gut and I know it.

However the play involving me in comparison to the rest of the wagon and the ardent early vote are off.

I'd prefer THIS to a pure-lurker lynch. However, without question I am fine. Also, to add spice to the pot - if Zaz IS scum I'd put Batt on higher than baseline to be a partner.
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Post Post #409 (isolation #49) » Wed Aug 26, 2009 11:12 am

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Note:

My vote on Zaz isn't just pure lurking. The wagon as a whole is. I am stopping this whole "what do you mean you had reasons!" business before it starts. :P
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Post Post #418 (isolation #50) » Wed Aug 26, 2009 2:30 pm

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LG wrote:SpyreX, do you have anything more recent, or a particularly believable reason you posted this only now?
Well my last interactions with Batt made me really go back and look at it all again. As for now? I'm not going to shed tears if the lynch is Zaz but there's been some apathy that bothers me.

As for now? Last night was when I voted. If you're referencing the deadline yes I'd like to talk about this versus cruise control to Zaz.
FL wrote:Aren't you voting Batt?
Wrong tense. However, if it doesn't push through then I will be voting for Zaz and a huge portion of that is the lack of playing.
Batt wrote:Whether or not your vote was scummy, you were on the wagon. I felt the wagon was scummy, so you kinda have to be included since you were on the wagon.
That still doesn't explain the FoS's for all but me.
Batt wrote:??? I never voted you... I don't get this paragraph.
Wrong word: The actively unexplained vote BY me getting no response with the conjunction with the above sure does.
Goat wrote:What do you mean by this? I don't think lurking is the driving factor behind anyone's vote on that wagon.
To a degree, sans your vote, it is a large factor. DDD's parroted you. Zaz's explanation for the wagon is bad but when combined with the lurking it was enough to push me over, Gurgi voted a deadline lynch for pressure on the lazy.

...and I thoguht there was more on the wagon. :(

Good lord.
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Post Post #424 (isolation #51) » Wed Aug 26, 2009 3:31 pm

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SpyreX: The issue is that there's no good reason for you to decide what he did was scummy now as opposed to then. You didn't draw any connections to newer posts, you just seem to have decided that it has become more scummy.
It rose an eye from the very beginning. However, when coupled with recent responses it turned into worth voting and bringing to discussion.

I'm thinkin Zaz will end up being the lynch. I'll even help.

That doesn't change as it congealed in my head I wanted to bring it up. :P
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Post Post #427 (isolation #52) » Wed Aug 26, 2009 3:47 pm

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Well thats fine. I dont think I ever presented it as anything NEW - it just exacerbated what was already there.
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Post Post #463 (isolation #53) » Thu Aug 27, 2009 7:47 pm

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Active Lurking is one of THE biggest tells, IMO.

Ultimately it has an unprecedented benefit for scum versus town.

As an aside: I'm going to be ultra-pissed if we don't get an actual majority lynch. Seriously angry. As in if someone is awesome enough to not help push a real wagon as we get close or, god forbid, not be voting I will vote for them every day I'm alive.

I know I'm not convincing anyone on Batt. I'd prefer Zaz to Elmo as of right now.
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Post Post #521 (isolation #54) » Fri Aug 28, 2009 11:44 am

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GR wrote:I don't understand why this matters. Is there a huge difference between a lynch wagon of 4 votes, and a lynch wagon of 7 votes where the last 3 votes are just people piling on for the purpose of achieving a lynch?
In the long run? Yes.

If people can get away with letting a smaller wagon go and it happens to be a mislynch then the fingers point at the people doing it. Which, if the four are town and the scum are just sitting back fingersnapping is a wonderful world.

If the last 3 are just "to put their votes" well thats still better than the above.

Agree or disagree with a wagon getting the opinions out is always going to be important.

-----

Actually, looking at the last few pages I've got a question that really begs to be answered:

Nuwen. Why the ardent defense of Elmo? And the fact that most of your pushing is on someone we are not lynching today, period?

Actually this gives me the heebie jeebies overall. This reeks of Nu-scum defending Elmo-town.

Deadline is far too close for a mad reals wagon on it.

However, just to make sure.

Unvote, Vote: Zazier


I want this other mess cleared up, but not from lynching Elmo at this point.
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Post Post #572 (isolation #55) » Sun Aug 30, 2009 1:43 pm

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Sorry, been watching my other games that all are deadlining it up.

Goat: Town.
FL: Town Bellhop.

Batt: I can kind of see the gambit. It makes more sense considering the difference in the early versus late play of today than a huge buildup.

Zaz: Still a good lynch.

If I had a bullet: I'd shoot Nuwen.
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Post Post #576 (isolation #56) » Sun Aug 30, 2009 6:43 pm

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Hmmmm.

I'm starting to come around on Batt.

I'd come way around if Zaz is scum. This doesn't smell like a bus.
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Post Post #590 (isolation #57) » Mon Aug 31, 2009 2:48 pm

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...

This is absolutely counter-productive at the moment.

Lets do our lynch. Then let god sort this out.

(I hate discussions like this right before deadline fyi)
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Post Post #592 (isolation #58) » Mon Aug 31, 2009 2:58 pm

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Needless to say not having a vote ANYWHERE is tech.

This not being an actual majority lynch is ALSO tech.

I'm very wroth that deadline is in 2 minutes because I can't tell time.
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Post Post #595 (isolation #59) » Mon Aug 31, 2009 3:19 pm

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TDC and LLama have no votes up.

We've got a lot of stragglers that I dont like regardless of Zaz's flip.
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Post Post #612 (isolation #60) » Tue Sep 08, 2009 8:21 am

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First things first:

Forbid, still on your floor so we can relock it and then move ahead?
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Post Post #614 (isolation #61) » Tue Sep 08, 2009 8:41 am

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Interesting. I'm kinda surprised at that, honestly, but.

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Post Post #616 (isolation #62) » Tue Sep 08, 2009 8:46 am

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I assumed you were moving people to your floor?
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Post Post #629 (isolation #63) » Wed Sep 09, 2009 1:06 pm

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Or the fact that Patrick was, ya know, pretty damn town while not being an obvious protection target. :P

Regardless, we're kind of a bit too mellow. Down for Nuwen at this point. Starting to get itchy over Gurgi a little.
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Post Post #636 (isolation #64) » Wed Sep 09, 2009 3:12 pm

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I can't even pin it down. You just seem too go with the flow.
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Post Post #637 (isolation #65) » Wed Sep 09, 2009 3:13 pm

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Its just an itch and I'm not pushing on it until I can pin down what needs to be scratched, but its there.
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Post Post #639 (isolation #66) » Wed Sep 09, 2009 3:23 pm

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Ohh I will. It could just be brain damage but something seems off. Of course there's some hypocrisy there because I've been off too.

However, still far more comfortable with Nu. Or, even Batt.
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Post Post #643 (isolation #67) » Thu Sep 10, 2009 12:32 pm

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I reread LG in iso and I can't find anything specific but I still have that itch. Le sigh.

Time for... unbridled agression!

Vote: Nuwen
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Still don't like Elmogate.
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Post Post #648 (isolation #68) » Fri Sep 11, 2009 7:47 am

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SpyreX / Goatrevolt: What specifically do you dislike about Nuwen's play?
The method and timing of jumping to your defense + the rest of the play. I wish I could quantify it better but being on the low end of contribution and then hard-lining on you to drift back into nothingness is blah.
SpyreX: Would you go for a Gurgi wagon?
At this EXACT moment in time? No. Not without something revolutionary that makes my itch make sense.
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Post Post #649 (isolation #69) » Fri Sep 11, 2009 7:47 am

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Those were Elmo, stupid quoting. :P
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Post Post #657 (isolation #70) » Sun Sep 13, 2009 5:58 am

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The "rest of the play" being the absence of, really.

And, the difference between here and there IS the level of contribution and the stance itself.
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Post Post #664 (isolation #71) » Mon Sep 14, 2009 6:31 am

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Looking at the NK is fine. When that is the majority of your talking points for the day it is not.

That's the difference between scummy and useful.
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Post Post #667 (isolation #72) » Tue Sep 15, 2009 11:40 am

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I'm not sure why this game is like slogging through molasses.

We need to pick it up, pronto like.

I'd love to see some Nu in here.
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Post Post #670 (isolation #73) » Tue Sep 15, 2009 3:21 pm

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So you're saying there is a cult here.
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Post Post #687 (isolation #74) » Thu Sep 17, 2009 7:41 pm

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I think its stuff like 685 that has me itchy even if I understand it.

How about this: LG, why do YOU think this game is so unbelievably sluggish.
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Post Post #733 (isolation #75) » Mon Sep 21, 2009 9:22 am

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Holy hell we have search backish. (I was trying to check Nu by post and that didn't seem to be working).

I'm still having molasses syndrome with this game and I can't pinpoint why. There's absolutely no "pop" in here. Instead of wildly being at each others throats is like we're around the great algonquin round table sipping sherry discussing the IDEA of someone being scum.

It scares me and I don't like it. :P

I'm thinking part of this is the apathy of the mini-lynch necessary at deadline. That, personally, is throwing me all off: scum can be way more low-key with votes than normal but parsing that from the ability to hand-wringing more from town drives me nuts.

With that said, reading Nu in isolation makes me a little happier with this lynch overall for a few reasons:

1.) The pressure on Batt early (4) when Batt, despite my earlier qualms, feels more towny as this progresses.

2.) Mechanics hunting (5, 6, 7)

3.) Voting Gurgi and then not really ever giving a valid response... into

4.) Lurking up until Elmogate which leads back into...

5.) Lurking.

I'm going to try and drag myself back into this game for reals, but god its hard. We need to shake things up, and soon.

That said: Not Voting – 3 – Elmo, Nuwen, TDC

At this point I dont care WHERE they go, just that they go. Votes, please.
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Post Post #740 (isolation #76) » Tue Sep 22, 2009 4:25 pm

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I'm seriously confused with the Goat / Elmo discussion because to my eyes it reads:

G: I think you're town.
E: There's no reason to think that!
G: Well, this is why I think that. I find this weird.
E: Presents case why I could be scum.

.....

Is that a fair summation?
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Post Post #743 (isolation #77) » Tue Sep 22, 2009 7:22 pm

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At least I'm not the only one on drugs then.

Talk about flabbergasting.
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Post Post #746 (isolation #78) » Tue Sep 22, 2009 7:56 pm

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Coming out Day 2 and arguing with someone without a vote with why they themselves are scum?

Just flabbergasting. I can't see a scum gain aside from the sheer madness factor. It, alone, is almost one of those "can't live till endgame" ticks which makes NO sense after a lurker lynch and on path to another.

If Nu is scum, no way, none, that Elmo is a partner.
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Post Post #754 (isolation #79) » Sat Sep 26, 2009 2:57 pm

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I don't feel bad at all, at ALL, for either the Zaz or Nu lynches.

I'm not going to apologize for them.

However, I think 752 illustrates the itch I've been having with LG- its just meh. That, at this point, is simply a list of neutrals.

Which bothers me because coasting isn't getting it done - and although I've been having meh myself I'm defintiely not at 8 neutral reads meh.
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Post Post #755 (isolation #80) » Sat Sep 26, 2009 3:08 pm

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And, I just himmed and hawwed about this some but I want to bring it out to see whats up overall: I was moved to Green last night.

As I know I'm not the killer and there was a nokill and I would be REALLY surprised after me being on a pair of mislynches if I was the target...

Someone on green was targetted.
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Post Post #756 (isolation #81) » Sat Sep 26, 2009 3:13 pm

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Day 1 wrote:7 - ZazieR (Goatrevolt, Debonair Danny DiPietro, Lord Gurgi, Elmo, SpyreX, forbiddanlight, Battousai)
1 - Debonair Danny DiPietro (ZazieR)
1 - Elmo (Patrick)
1 - Lord Gurgi (Nuwen)

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch and 4 to lynch at deadline. Deadline is September 1, 10:00 pm CDT.

Not Voting – 2 – LlamaFluff, TDC
Day 2 wrote:4 Nuwen (forbiddanlight, SpyreX, Goatrevolt, Battousai)
1 LlamaFluff (Lord Gurgi)
1 Lord Gurgi (Debonair Danny DiPietro)
1 TDC (LlamaFluff)

With 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch and 4 to lynch at deadline. Deadline is September 22, 9:59 pm CDT.

Not Voting – 3 – Elmo, Nuwen, TDC
Just so we have them to look at.

@TDC: No vote at the end of either day? Why.

When I'm back home I'll look at this closer. Something funny is going on with this though. If there is a scum on the 4 horsemen I'm betting on Batt - but I'm still irked that this last wagon was only a 4 push.
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Post Post #769 (isolation #82) » Sun Sep 27, 2009 5:37 am

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LG wrote:How do I ensure his death?

I've told you all why he's scum, and you're not doing anything with it. Nobody's even bothered to look at him.
I've looked at him. I wouldn't be hard pressed to move that way.

However, even your saying Fluff is scum doesn't seem to have any spark. That's the issue. Even on your scum pick you're very meh. I don't like it.
TDC wrote:Why is claiming this a good idea? At all?
See what Goat said as part of it.

The other half would have been we would have known there were hijinks afoot if FL hadn't said she moved me.

Further, as if there was any REAL doubt, this pretty much cements FL being town - there'd be no reason for a scum-hop to move me to the lock floor soo.

Lock: Green

TDC wrote: Do you read the game? If you want to vote me for not getting a grip, go ahead.
You're going to have to accept that, while in the absence of anyone I really want dead I can live with lurkers getting lynched, I'm not enthusiastic enough about it that I would tack on my vote when it isn't needed to get a lynch.
Its not nice to pick on me just because I never learned to read. I NEVER LEARNED. NO ONE IN THIS CRUEL INTERNETS EVER TAUGHT ME THE VALUE OF WORDS AND MEANINGS.

I asked why. Because, like I said waay back in the day this plurality lynching is going to kill us and, lo and behold, its going to.
DDD wrote:If this usually works then I'm the Space Pope.

SpyreX is scum, I'll be back later this afternoon to elucidate why. In the meantime...

Vote: SpyreX
Huh. I'm all a curious about this, fo sho'.
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Post Post #773 (isolation #83) » Sun Sep 27, 2009 8:16 am

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And the fact that if FL hadn't moved me we'd know more about the setup?

I forgot about the move being at the end of night, but it doesn't change much - I'd still have said I got moved.

Its not like I was a high-profile NK target that now, alas, is going to change the game mechanics - I'd put dollars to donuts the NK attempt was Goat last night by that's just my theory based on Goat / FL being town.

But, anywho: scum. Who are they. You go TDC.
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Post Post #775 (isolation #84) » Sun Sep 27, 2009 8:23 am

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I can dig. Even if after both the lurkers flipped town which drives me nuts.

I'm really thinking one of LG/LF is scum. Doubting both - seems really odd for a bus but. If I had to put a vote down RIGHT NOW it'd be LF between them.

TDC has got my hackles all up. I'm planning to do some real ISO and look, but that is probably where its going barring madness.
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Post Post #778 (isolation #85) » Sun Sep 27, 2009 9:18 am

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That's an argument that you could also use for mass claim Day 1.
What would we know and why would knowing it outweigh the obvious drawbacks?
Yes, because my confirming what FL did = massclaim day 1. Touche'.

Well, we know that:

a.) FL is a bellhop (or ballsy as all getout).
b.) It wasn't done by ANOTHER town party who would have jumped all over said claim by FL it it wasn't true.
unfortunately c.) my being the not killer tonight isn't true.
but we do know that d.) If I was scum I would not be performing the kill tonight - which means if we have investigative roles other than cop in this voodoo setup then watching / tracking me is a waste of time.
Why do you think that fl chose to move you, but scum would not consider killing you?
I'm not FL so trying to delve into the psyche will be not the greatest but if I were to garner WHY:

FL has been fairly clear about thinking Goat and I were town. So, moving said town roles (esp Goat) to green helps protect them - especially after not getting moved AWAY herself.

However, what does that have to do with the other?

I've been vocal on pushing through not one but two lurker-lynches that have been town.

I've argued FOR getting a full wagon versus the plurality which failed yesterday with another mislynch.

So, if we're wrong today and fast approaching lylo.. you think I'm gonna be a nice game ending lynch target? Hells yes.

However, all that said:

Unvote, Vote: TDC


That was a lot of words that weren't "this is who I think is scum and why".
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Post Post #786 (isolation #86) » Sun Sep 27, 2009 10:57 am

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TDC wrote:btw, SpyreX, where did you get the idea that fl thinks you're town (other than her moving you, duh)? I can't find anything.
All of our interactions? The fact I got moved?

Raw, sweet delicious gut. FL can come in and say one way or another but.
DDD wrote: See, I couldn't say anything before but we Apennine Mafia finally finished and your play just seems to have the exact same issues. I remember both us of us as scum basically making that exact same statement in that game after the first two lurker lynches and them flipping town. You should feel bad about the mislynches, you should feel pissed off, annoyed, and frustrated. The fact that you don't feel bad at all means you don't have a stake in the success of the town which means you need to be lynched. Furthermore, in that game both of us were on the first two mislynches and the town's unwillingness to hold our feet to the fire for that fact was one of their biggest mistakes. And I am not going to duplicate those mistakes.
Now, see, this is actually what I was expecting and didn't want to pre-empt it by calling out a meta.

Meta is way overused, and although this isn't a shield (which makes me itch) its still not useful.

Do I feel bad about these lynches? Nope. Both Zaz and Nu's lurking compounded the issues with their play. They both chose to be active and avoid this game.

Nor do I ever, ever feel bad about lynching lurkers. Especially early game before they crush the end game under a wall of unreadable apathy.

Which raises another key point: if your case on me is built on meta between these games, what does that say about yours?

In fact, despite how silly it is I
have
to believe this is genuine because of the simple fact of how quickly it would turn if you were scum.
DDD wrote: On another note it was just pathetic that both Elmo and TDC weren't voting at the end of the day.
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Post Post #790 (isolation #87) » Sun Sep 27, 2009 6:30 pm

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You're completely missing the point. We didn't lynch lurkers, lurkers aren't a role in the game; we lynched townies. And it's the fact that you were (unprompted) trying to redefine your behavior and that of several other players of that from being on a bad lynch of townies to on a good lynch of lurkers is damning.
No, I'm saying that lynching bad townies isn't something I'm going to weep about. They were scummy. They were lurking. They vanished as pressured came.

They just happened to be town, which sucks.
Everything I write seems like self-meta which is generally frowned upon, but you did basically ask me to. The difference between games should have been clear on day two, particularly when I moved my vote from Batt to LG to try and get something going besides the inevitable Nuwen lynch. In M98 as scum that's exactly where we would've either been on the mislynch or would've sat on the sidelines waiting for the town to hang itself; big difference.
These two posts?
Unvote; Vote: Lord Gurgi

For completely failing to convince me at all that Llama is scum.
That's all well and good in theory, but if someone is running an ineffective case on me that doesn't appear to be convincing anyone then personally I'd just ignore it as well. Addressing it gives it some credence, ignoring it makes the person look like a lone voice braying at nothing.
All I know is you've been pounding away at "he's not addressing my arguments" which doesn't tug at my heartstrings at all. I'll make the assumption that you're a competent player which makes me question your motives when you keep pushing an argument that doesn't resonate at all with me.

Plus we have two days till deadline and no one seemed much interested in a Batt lynch so I figured I'd see if I could get traction in another direction before we succumb to the inevitable and uninformative Nuwen lynch.
That's not convincing me of a large difference. However, like I said I can't see pushing this way as scum because its too transparent.

However, if LF ends up the lynch (which would be before LG as it sits in my brain) and is scum, well there might be a readjustment.
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Post Post #794 (isolation #88) » Mon Sep 28, 2009 7:03 am

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Mind replying?
N1 where she implied there might be a snafu with what happened?

Not that that is paramount, because whomever it was isn't me and thus if they want to play it out different more power to them.

My question is at this point: what are you aiming for with this?

Am I scum? Is this a scum move? Why?

Or still, if you will, who is scum?

Et, tu, FL?
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Post Post #795 (isolation #89) » Tue Sep 29, 2009 10:05 am

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And the crickets go chirp chirp
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Post Post #807 (isolation #90) » Wed Sep 30, 2009 12:00 pm

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There's two options from my point with FL:

FL is a scum bellhop that is limiting their choices by moving people to the correct floor while not knowing if OTHERS were on the floor meaning that they could create a scenario where if we lynch her buddies then, whoops, screwed.

FL is a town bellhop doing the above because it is town driven. By stating that I've been moved and her confirming it there is no wiggle room for MADNESS later.

Further, by the absence of anyone ELSE being moved unless we have a scum bellhop moving buddies OFF green (which is still fine, considering) a town could have spoken up and said "ohh snap, I was also moved too" and we'd know whats going on.

So, end result?

Fl is town. Another hop can no longer claim, period. That is death.

What is still missing is anything resembling TDC going after scum in this scenario though.

And if GR is scum he has me floored and has from the earliest point.
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Post Post #815 (isolation #91) » Thu Oct 01, 2009 6:03 am

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@Gurgi: DDD did. It was meta. Huzzah! I haven't lost sight of LF either I'm just embroiled in my own madness.
TDC wrote:Can you please actually answer the question?
What would you expect FL the scum bellhop to do instead of moving you?
Moving scum makes no sense.
Moving nobody looks bad.
Moving someone who is widely considered town indeed limits her options.
You on the other hand, claim about yourself that you're an easy lynch and not a likely nightkill.

Is it really that hard to follow my train of thought here?
Apparently it is. What question haven't I answered?

If I were a scum bellhop that jumped out and claimed early I'd either be moving my partners to where they could perform the kill or not moving anyone - the chances of all the players doing a go/no go check are minimal and even then you can push a mislynch out of it without screwing your partners.

And where did I say I was an "easy" lynch. Never that. My being vocal and wrong thus far makes me a mislynch target but that != an easy kill.

However, once again, scum. Find them. Or say I'm scum. Whatever. Take a stance.
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Post Post #817 (isolation #92) » Thu Oct 01, 2009 2:29 pm

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Hence my absolute distaste for the fact the wagons are so small. Normally, yea, I'd be all over the wagon. But, when a wagon is as apathetic as these have been?

Blah.

But, if its meta + both mislynches the case well there isn't too much to refute except for the fact your conclusion is wrong.
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Post Post #833 (isolation #93) » Sat Oct 03, 2009 8:18 pm

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SpyreX: How about some explanation regarding TDC.
Its a combination of things:

1.) I
really
don't like the fact there has been no vote at the end of either day. The justification for that is still itchy too - the I have no reads and my vote wasn't needed thus no vote. Which leads us to:

2.) The sheer amount of volume around my claim that STILL hasn't had a solidified stance - it's turned into talking for the sake of talking. If one was to isolate this days play its actually flabbergasting.

3.) I just looked in detail and realized that it isn't simply a no vote at the end of the day:
TDC hasn't voted. Not a real vote at all. Ever.


4.) This would be a bigger part if I was more awake but there has been a marked absence of scumhunting - a large portion of his posts are concerned with setup versus the game going on.

So, yea.
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Post Post #853 (isolation #94) » Mon Oct 05, 2009 12:40 pm

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It makes me twitch inside at the idea two votes = a wagon.

It makes me cry a little that it is a true statement in this steup.

I'd vote for LF if it came down to it, but I still think TDC is scummier.
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Post Post #855 (isolation #95) » Mon Oct 05, 2009 6:16 pm

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Que?

Gut on who? LF or TDC?

TDC I've outlied. LF is suffering from the same problems he had at the beginning still.
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Post Post #857 (isolation #96) » Mon Oct 05, 2009 6:34 pm

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I'll expand more tomorrow - its bedtime.

However, from VERY early on in the game Goat had that blend of mechanics working + looking at players that I like. A lot.

I'll freely admit he's been absent more than I'd hope for as of late but I'm hoping that turns around.
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Post Post #860 (isolation #97) » Tue Oct 06, 2009 7:57 am

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"I'm doing this bad thing, but he's doing it TOO!" doesn't help things.

Adding a large dollop of meta also gives us a sad, sad face.

TDC or LF works for me up ins.
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Post Post #865 (isolation #98) » Wed Oct 07, 2009 8:46 am

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So we get a TDC vote that's self-preservation and actively illustrates the main issue with this minimal necessary for lynch.

Awesome.

LF:

This is all well and good except for the fact I'd prefer to hit A scum and go from there. Conjecture is a tool of the enemy at this point - it's all moot if we dont start baggin trash soon.
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Post Post #868 (isolation #99) » Wed Oct 07, 2009 12:12 pm

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Ohh if I had to lynch two it'd be them at the mo'

The issue is exacerbated for TDC by the fact that is his first real vote. Using for self-preservation the exact opposite stance he took for, ya know, looking for scum.
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Post Post #877 (isolation #100) » Thu Oct 08, 2009 7:35 am

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That doesn't surprise me. This game has some apathy in the hunting because well, only a fraction can decide the lynch.
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Post Post #884 (isolation #101) » Thu Oct 08, 2009 10:31 am

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You have no idea how hard it is to not hammer right here.

Seriously.
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Post Post #886 (isolation #102) » Thu Oct 08, 2009 11:56 am

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If TDC wasn't here I'd be hammering.

My impatience also makes me want to hammer.
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Post Post #889 (isolation #103) » Thu Oct 08, 2009 12:24 pm

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2 parts thinking he could be scum, 2 parts sheer irritation at this game.

I'm still holding to Goat being town although it seems that the apathy monster has devoured him as well.
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Post Post #904 (isolation #104) » Thu Oct 08, 2009 4:53 pm

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Huh, when all is said and done it will be interesting to go back and look at today (realtime) and see what effect my not hammering had.

@Goat:

Maybe "apathy" wasn't the right term. See, I like the posts you have NOW. However, I absolutely dislike the timing of it. Since somehow that totally derailed the growing LF wagon.

Further, as a general note, I'm totally floored at the fact we go at a snails pace and then WOOSH when deadline comes. This isn't good nor healthy.

DDD isn't sparking great feelings but that can wait. I'm still not understanding the resistance to TDC (and doubly not understanding "town feelings" some mentioned)

I'll give it more tomorrow. As it sits, TDC or LF. Not down with TDC.
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Post Post #912 (isolation #105) » Thu Oct 08, 2009 5:43 pm

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...?

I'm pretty sure I said that GR's early play, especially involving setup mechanics, rang very town to me?
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Post Post #914 (isolation #106) » Thu Oct 08, 2009 5:45 pm

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Also considering this bizarre flurry of activity and the weird pushes and pulls with the wagons I'm starting to get the itch that BOTH TDC and LF are scum.
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Post Post #917 (isolation #107) » Thu Oct 08, 2009 6:02 pm

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Elmo you are truly an enigma.

Lets say you don't believe my reasons for thinking he's town.
Lets say even FURTHER that you think that makes me at minimum, if not both of us, scum.

Why now?

If you're going to push my lynch, then there's no room for pussyfooting around. Its too close to deadline for it. So, in essence, its white noise and I don't like that.

On the flipside I actually LIKE 916. It takes some oomph to come out and power-smash like that. I approve.
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Post Post #970 (isolation #108) » Thu Oct 15, 2009 6:56 am

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So there IS another bellhop or FL has pulled an amazing gambit, hmm?

I'm trying to decide if Batt is amazingly clever scum or if that is an epic towntell right there.

Not surprisingly I STILL want TDC lynched.
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Post Post #972 (isolation #109) » Thu Oct 15, 2009 7:07 am

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I am too, but I'm thrown off in general now:

LG, FL, TDC, DDD, Batt, Goat, SpyreX

Of those 7, assuming lylo, its three scum. And I really didn't suspect three of them to actually BE scum.

Going off of my awesome reads thus far process of elimination would say that TDC, DDD and one of (LG / Batt) are the scum. Batt's smoof move above makes me think that if TDC is scum its DDD, LG, TDC.

---

Unrelated to that, I'm really not sure what to do with you now FL. Locking your floor (after looking at where the deaths occurred) means that only you are locked and safe versus whomever you've stuck on green.

Actually, I think you need to say who is on green via you to try to parse who couldn't make the kills.

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Unrelated to THAT, I think its time for massclaim too. I've got this sinking suspicion that this is a mostly-mountainous. (Yes, that is me saying I'm VT).
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Post Post #986 (isolation #110) » Thu Oct 15, 2009 11:10 am

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Was on Blue, now on Green (oddly enough, I thought I started on Red. Weeeirrdd)

VT up in the house.
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Post Post #990 (isolation #111) » Thu Oct 15, 2009 11:55 am

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One would HOPE that moving someone would have been something that was mentioned. I "guess" they could have killed someone and moved them for...? (not really thinking it).

I thought I was red until I went and checked (my color didn't matter too much being vanilla woosh).

So, yes, we have an odd distribution but I'm not sure what relevance it has on things as they sit.

I know I'm a little slow, but everyone saying here here! about massclaiming should just, ya know, do it.
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Post Post #1008 (isolation #112) » Fri Oct 16, 2009 6:39 am

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If FL is town, I have to assume that the scum bellhop waited on all night actions until now to keep themselves hidden OR that they were moving scum around for ???.

If FL is scum, well, mind blown and absolutely confused considering the setup - a mountainous with the only non-vanilla being scum? Woosh.

----

No matter how I spin these dice it keeps coming up TDC making the most sense for the lynch. Further, if we're a gambling (which we are) I don't see Batt coming out with a power bus AND I still think GR is town so I want to lock red.

(Yes, this means that I think one of, if not more, of LG, DDD and TDC are lying about their current location).
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Post Post #1012 (isolation #113) » Fri Oct 16, 2009 10:56 am

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Why not? Simply lylo-tinfoil / wanting to decide what to lock before we lynch.
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Post Post #1015 (isolation #114) » Fri Oct 16, 2009 1:50 pm

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Sounds easy enough in theory, but when you look at the dispersal the ONLY thing that makes sense in "the towniest players" is locking red.

Which, hell, I'll do right now:

Lock: Red


And since I'm being so fancy:

Vote: TDC
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Post Post #1019 (isolation #115) » Sat Oct 17, 2009 9:29 pm

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This isn't a blind rush by any means. I thought TDC was scum yesterday, I think that the eventual shift wasn't an accident by any means and considering the amount of time ALREADY this has sat in hammer range I'm not shocked and or awed we didn't see a game-ending move.

Because TDC is scum.
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Post Post #1043 (isolation #116) » Sun Oct 18, 2009 11:56 am

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This game. :(

Well played scum.

Although I think the MVP ultimately is apathy.

I need to learn to follow my itches a bit better, I guess.
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Post Post #1051 (isolation #117) » Sun Oct 18, 2009 1:09 pm

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What did the consierge do?
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Post Post #1054 (isolation #118) » Sun Oct 18, 2009 1:12 pm

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I just wish I had pushed on Batt harder out of the gate.

However, I do lynch lurkers and I can't feel bad about it.

QT?
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Post Post #1056 (isolation #119) » Sun Oct 18, 2009 1:19 pm

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Fair enough. I just feel like I played bad this game and looking at what you guys were saying may help me.

I was 100% off. Even when I was right I couldn't quantify it or get pressure to make it go. :(
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Post Post #1071 (isolation #120) » Mon Oct 19, 2009 7:43 am

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I guess, ultimately, I hate losing but losing to active scum hurts a lot less then "welp, the lurker lurked to the finish line"

Apathy was a big issue. Further, I think that the minimal amount of votes needed for a lynch helped the apathy - it was way too "well, someone ELSE can find the scum" going on.
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Post Post #1073 (isolation #121) » Mon Oct 19, 2009 7:54 am

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I think the setup was fine, honestly. This is one of those setups that is balanced enough that it comes down to play.

And we got flat-out outplayed by the scum.
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Post Post #1075 (isolation #122) » Mon Oct 19, 2009 8:52 am

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Oddly enough it felt genuine that you didn't realize Elmo was dead (which apparently is true) which meant, to me, that you were town. :P

Well done.
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Post Post #1077 (isolation #123) » Mon Oct 19, 2009 11:04 am

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Elmo: I feel the scum had control of the game because the town sure didn't. Nobody took control or really tried to push for a lynch. Nobody had enough conviction to try to actively push someone to get lynched, which allowed us to get 3 consecutive deadline lynches at less than majority on townies. The town really needed someone to step up and lead.
This. A thousand times this.

I know I started down a few right paths but then lost steam when the only people I was really discussing things with were the damn scum. :P

And, yea, if we had locked red, killed gurgi and there was no kill there would have been some splainin' to do the next day.
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Post Post #1079 (isolation #124) » Mon Oct 19, 2009 11:15 am

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I don't think any of us town-side can even pretended to pat ourselves on the back for this one. :(

Next time I'm in a game with goat I swear the minute I go "Ohh that is TOTALLY town" I'm lynching the hell out of him. :P
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Post Post #1081 (isolation #125) » Mon Oct 19, 2009 12:00 pm

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You damn right. Fool me every time, shame on me. ;)

(Nah you guys played a great game and I HATE when I have an itch and can't pin down why).
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Post Post #1089 (isolation #126) » Tue Oct 20, 2009 11:34 am

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My apathy came from the fact that it was like pulling teeth to get ANYTHING moving most of the game. There is no reason even with a simple plurality lynch to not push for a real one. And, I couldn't even get that.
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