Perfectionist Mafia - Resultas

[EtherealCookie]

The bandwagon be a callin'!

vote:BloodCovenent

[EtherealCookie]

Hello DeathNote! Did you like dying Day 0 as much as me?

[EtherealCookie]

Hello DeathNote! Did you like dying Day 0 as much as me?

Which game are you referring too? I have died in several of my games recently. :/

StrangerCoug.

[EtherealCookie]

What's Empire of the Sun?

[EtherealCookie]

Crap, I should've thought about that earlier...

[EtherealCookie]

Oh god, questioning my votes at the random voting stage! The horror!

[EtherealCookie]

Oh god, questioning my votes at the random voting stage! The horror!

Anything else you'd like to say about the game thus far?

No, not really. I don't have much to say at the moment, unfortunately.

[EtherealCookie]

Sorry I'm quiet, give me till the weekend so I actually have some time on the computer

[EtherealCookie]

And then, the piece de resistance:

Yay, someone rational!

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Please answer why you find concentrating on two people who are probably most likely to be town better than spreading the wings and examining everyone equally?

(no one get cute, ive yet to see a RVS where one of the bandwagons is scum)

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Comfortable with my vote atm.

trying to convince us that randomly landing on scum the first day never happens. Sure, it's very unlikely, but that's scummy to me if you are trying to use odds for your reasoning. I actually think that one of these two BWs is scum..question is, which one?


Now that I've done all this, I'd have to say it's Snow White who appears the scummiest of the two, hence, my vote stays with her.

I don't like this post. You're telling me you're voting on Snow White simply for saying that? I dono, seems like a bad excuse to vote somebody.

Here I get OMGUS voted, which we all know OMGUS = scummy

Not really... I see townies do it too, to try defending themselves.


I don't understand the Snow White bandwagon. You're trying to justify it with some silly excuses. Honestly, it still seems like we're in RVS.

Anyhow.

Vote:Saberwolf

I really hope this can move quicker. Eight pages, moving extremely slowly, people still randomly voting or picking on minor details.

[EtherealCookie]

cookie: you cannot even claim ignorance on the fact that you only focused on part of my case against SW. Why were the rest of my points not good enough to catch your attention and be addressed?
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What rest of the points?

hows emotion to the fact that she was voted for. Then defends BC with IMO a stupid reason. The matter of the fact is, ANYBODY could be a power role...does that mean we just don't lynch? Course not, which is why we take the risk...if they turn out to be a VIP, they can claim, and we can decide whether or not to trust them.

That doesn't cry out scummy for me.

In my opinion snow white has been acting scummier than bloodcovenent plus the fact we only have one post to really work off of for bloodcovenant while snow white has plenty of newbscum posts going on plus she OMGUSed me, plus she tends to get angry and defensive when voted for more so than a typical townie should as well as the fact that most of bloodcovenant's votes were random bandwagoning votes right off the bat I assume because it looked funny to see him get that many votes that fast I dunno but at the very least you can't say he's scummy simple due to the rate of how fast his bandwagon built up, and also this game aint big enough for two SWs so she's gotta go and I'm now at the point where I'm just typing crap to make this run on sentence even more ridiculously longer but its ok because at the end of it all its still only one sentence even if it is one really ridiculously long run on sentence.

Not exactly great reasons to support a lynch for her. Getting defensive. Okay, so you're telling me townies don't get defensive? Point noted, it might be a bit too defensive and scum are more likely to do it.
Then you argue about words and the definitions. Really?
Other then that, I don't see any points to address.


I agree, Snow White's voting for you is OMGUS, but I disagree with it being a scum tell.

What allignment do you think would be more likely to do that?

Okay, fine. Scum might be more likely to do it. I still don't find the case strong enough to vote for Snow White.

In both I'm trying to get discussion started and he's not helping me. Then he complains about it by saying; EtherealCookie wrote:
I really hope this can move quicker. Eight pages, moving extremely slowly, people still randomly voting or picking on minor details.


Actually, I think I'm gonna Vote: EtherealCookie

Wow. Great reasoning for voting for me. I point out that we're in RVS, and there's nothing to contribute about.

[EtherealCookie]

What about the other two points? That isn't my only point.

1: I don't understand this sentence.

How do you not understand the sentence, yet claim I addressed one of your points but not the others?

First you don't even take into account that saberwolf has other points against Snow White.

Second, you critisize one of saberwolf's points for how weak it is, even though it was made on like page 5.

First: I looked over the other points later, and responded to them.

Second: I'm sorry, should we ignore posts until the sixth page? How about we change that. Let's all ignore all the posts until the 10th page!

[EtherealCookie]

Why are you in another one of my games, Mr. Sanjay?

[EtherealCookie]

What?
Uhm, he doesn't lurk in my other game. He posts frequently.

[EtherealCookie]

Why are you in another one of my games,

Mr. Sanjay?

Sanjay.
Not Solemn J.

[EtherealCookie]

Hi, Death Note! So kind of you to join us.

[EtherealCookie]

it's just funny how those who are for abortion are already born....

anyways, back to scumhunting.

It's funny how you fail to realize if you're dead, you're dead, and could care less.

Anyways, back to scumhunting.

[EtherealCookie]

How do I play as scum? Not very different from how I play town. I might lurk a bit more as scum.

[EtherealCookie]

Let me rephrase: 1: do you believe that whats been done in this game so far is actual scumhunting, or us tunnelling on those who make poor choices of wording in posts? 2: Are we catching scum slips, or dumb slips in your opinion, 3: based on post value?

1: I don't think it's the best scumhunting, but we are certainly out of the RVS. I think we are making a pretty good effort to progress to a stage where we have strong enough cases worthy of a lynch.

2: Scum slips or just misinterpratations.

3: Post value?

SW and cookie, SW being either noobtown or noobscum and cookie trying to take some of the pressure off her through chainsaw defence

SW and BC: VERY unlikely, but you gotta consider everything.

I doubt that SW is scumbuddies with Ethereal or BC.

How do you not understand the sentence, yet claim I addressed one of your points but not the others?

I knew which point it was in response to, but I didn't understand it. So please explain it.

First: I looked over the other points later, and responded to them.

Second: I'm sorry, should we ignore posts until the sixth page? How about we change that. Let's all ignore all the posts until the 10th page!

First: Where?

Second: I'm not saying we ignore them, but how strong would you expect them to be that early in the game?

Question for everyone: How do you play as scum?

I'm not scum in any of my completed games, but if I was scum, I'd probably just be more cautious.


I'll finish catching up later. Sorry.

Do you read my posts?

First you don't even take into account that saberwolf has other points against Snow White.

See post #9.

Second, you critisize one of saberwolf's points for how weak it is, even though it was made on like page 5.

See post #10.

In both I'm trying to get discussion started and he's not helping me. Then he complains about it by saying;

Once again, I've mentioned that's a terrible reason to vote for someone. I'm sorry if I had nothing to say in RVS.

I knew which point it was in response to, but I didn't understand it. So please explain it.

I'm saying, it's a terrible reason to vote for someone simply because they have nothing to contribute in RVS.

[EtherealCookie]

That isn't really a good defense. Are you reading my posts?

No, absolutely not.

Anyhow, you still haven't said the reason for voting for me. Honestly, I think you realize your case isn't great and switched votes due to that, yet don't want to appear foolish and claim I'm still scummy.

[EtherealCookie]

EtherealCookie, how do you feel about your vote on saberwolf right now?

Given I can't unvote, I am satisfied. However, I don't find him that scummy at the moment.

[EtherealCookie]

No, I really haven't seen you give a good case of your reasons for thinking I'm scummy, and each time I ask, you deflect them. As for MrSuave. Let me give you my read on him.


First off, he types in a REAAAALLY annoying way, oookaaay? =_= He joins the SW wagon without bringing anything new to the wagon, simply saying he'll go along with it due to the points brought up. I have to say that's the first thing that catches my eye. However, I have to point out your case for voting him aren't strong. I don't think your case is strong enough to convince me to vote for him.

Vote: BloodCovenent

Terrible reasoning for voting Bob, defensive over a little thing Sanjay says, barely been contributing, extremely defensive when he tried to start his own wagon in the first place.

[EtherealCookie]

I admit to not seeing the rest of the points? No, I said "What other points," because I didn't think they were worthy of being adressed, given they were poor reasons.

[EtherealCookie]

EtherealCookie: I like you. How do you feel to this?

A/S/L?

[EtherealCookie]

Yeah.
That's super scummy.
>_>

[EtherealCookie]

I find it interesting how EtherealCookie says;

I really hope this can move quicker. Eight pages, moving extremely slowly, people still randomly voting or picking on minor details.

Yet doesn't seem to care much considering he has barely contributed anything the last week.

And one of those points has gone unnoticed: you called saber a townie.

I don't think this is a valid point.


Nobody has supported my MrSuave vote so

Unvote

I like this bandwagon the best;

Vote: Snow White

That puts her at L-2 I think. She should claim.

Really?
I made a decent post on monday.
So, yes, I've contributed.
I'm not jumping on the Snow White bandwagon, I don't see any good reason to. Case isn't strong enough for me, but not like that's going to her from getting lynched right now. I honestly am more suspicious of BloodCovenent.

[EtherealCookie]

Hi ho. Catching up, hopefully have a post by today, don't have much to say at the moment, didn't see most of the kills coming, but I'm going to reanalyze the dead and see who's nerves they struck.

[EtherealCookie]

Hold on a second. Let's think this through logically.

There were two kills last night. They could only have come from scum and vig. Flavour indicates Starbuck was killed by a doctor's injection (scum doctor? very unlikely vig anyway with a detail like that) and MME by being shot (much more likely vig).

Mufasa claims he is vig, and targeted MrSuave.

If he's telling the truth, his ability must therefore have been redirected onto MME from MrSuave. There's no other way two people could have died. So MrSuave is almost certainly the scum doctor - I can't see the Mafia redirector randomly redirecting on a Townie when he could use his ability to protect his scumpartner.

If Mufasa is fakeclaiming, he's scum. Bingo.

Given that Mufasa just up and claimed when there wasn't really much need to and no-one was asking him to, I'm more likely to believe it. So I suggest we lynch MrSuave, and if he flips Town, lynch Mufasa.



Regarding the potential Mafia traitor: if there is one, they couldn't step into the Godfather role, because this would totally bypass the whole "recruitment" aspect. It would be incredibly unfair to Town. Since the Godfather is dead, the Mafia traitor is now pretty useless to the scum team, except to sway wagons. He can't communicate with them privately, he can't perform their kill, he can't step in to replace their roles. They might not even know who it is, since the information is only contained in the Godfather PM.

Alright, read over. Right now, this honestly seems like the smartest plan to go with. I'd say lynch Suave, if he shows town, go for Mufasa next.

[EtherealCookie]

Dooodooodooodooodooooooooooo.

[EtherealCookie]

Right then, wouldn't that mean Suave was protected by a mafia redirector yesterday night, therefore most likely making him mafia?

[EtherealCookie]

vote:Mr.Sauave

Indeed.

[EtherealCookie]

Right then, wouldn't that mean Suave was protected by a mafia redirector yesterday night, therefore most likely making him mafia?

[EtherealCookie]

If he isn't mafia, obviously our vigilante claimer is lying and needs to be lynched next day.

[EtherealCookie]

I'm not the first to suggest that.
And, how is that not true?

[EtherealCookie]

Wait.
I'm confused.
What does the redirector do? Does he shield off one person and redirect all actions on him, or does it attack a power role and make him randomly select one?

[EtherealCookie]

They target the person with the ability and they would also select the target

Um, doesn't this mean that all the redirector did was pick Mufasa and pick either Starbuck or My Milked Eek?

How does Mr Suave factor in to this at all?

What's up, Suave-wagon? Are you reading different posts than I am?

Apparently, because I'm still pretty confused about how the redirector works, but I think I get it now.
My question is, why would the redirector pick Mufasa? What made him seem Vigilante? I mean, if the redirector picked wrong, he'd lose his ability, so it's a big risk.

Unvote

[EtherealCookie]

Oh right, I can't unvote.

[EtherealCookie]

reading up to page 13, and i'll have no time to read/post until tomorrow morning, in my time zone.

SW is still the scum up to page 13 and i'm wondering why he had not been lynched yet before page 13. saber was scumhunting and was pro-town, but he was scumhunting and seemed pro-town in my last game with him where he turned out SK. sanjay is pro-town. gut-feeling for the followings: mufasa-town, xreckonerx-scum, AlmightyBob-scum, dram-scum, mrsuave-town. neutral for the remainings.

He claimed Cop, BloodCovenant claimed cop too, BC was lynched and found to be Godfather, that was the only other person that claimed cop so we're going with SW being cop, I believe.

[EtherealCookie]

Okay now that that is cleared,

vote: Mr Suave

Why?

[EtherealCookie]

Hm. I don't want my vote on Suave, and I don't like how silly Sposh's vote was so...

Vote: Sposh

[EtherealCookie]

Wait..

If it's eight to lynch, it was five on last count, and then three people jumped on the wagon, didn't he just get hammered?

[EtherealCookie]

i only see 2 cookie, he'd be at L-1.

I'm bad at counting >_<

[EtherealCookie]

So, SW is at L-2, right?
I'm going to wait for the response before actually voting.

[EtherealCookie]

Let me just explain that I voted for Sposh way back early because of his voting with no reasoning on MrSuave. Then, I went to sleep, then school. I come back, to find out a guy who claimed Sigmuend Frued or whatever is lynched. If I was there, I would've unvoted, and I didn't even read the result but what happened before, and I was facepalming. I saw the lynch coming up, and people unwilling to accept him making a simple typo.

[EtherealCookie]

Well, I'm just making it clear that I wasn't even given a chance to post before the hammer.

[EtherealCookie]

Sorry, back, been busy. Not a mason. Why is Mufasa voting Suave, again?

[EtherealCookie]

Maybe...

We should call in The Replacements?

[EtherealCookie]

All right, what exactly are the cases right now? I'm lost, I don't see any actual reason to vote for anyone, and I've re read a few times, yet can't exactly find myself suspicious of anyone to vote for them at the moment.

[EtherealCookie]

vote:zwetschenwasser

Why did you make that random useless vote?

[EtherealCookie]

EtherealCookie:

1) You've kept a pretty low profile this game. What's up with that?

2) In this post, you state that you would have definitely unvoted Sposh had you been there. Why? Mufasa to MrSuave is not a simple typo.

3) Do you think zwet could possibly be scum? Why vote for him?

1) I still really have nothing to pick up on. Don't really have any scumtells at the moment.

2) No, but people can be thinking about a certain person in the back of their head, and accidentally type their name instead of the one they meant to say. Don't tell me you've never, say, called your friend your other friend's name? He just typed it out, instead.

3) I have nothing better to pick up on, and he did randomly vote with no good reasoning. That's scummy behavior imo.

[EtherealCookie]

Oh. What.
I just realized Zwet was Mufasa's replacement...
I'd still like to know why he voted Manho.

[EtherealCookie]

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How?

[EtherealCookie]

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He's at L-1 now?

[EtherealCookie]

I see what happened there.

[EtherealCookie]

Yeah, I don't really understand the bandwagon, just for ignoring a question? Sometimes I do too, and get to it later.
:O

[EtherealCookie]

What makes you find people scummy?
I don't get it, telling me someone is scummy without any reasoning doesn't sway me to your side at all. And if you're town, then you should have a case on someone, because you're supposed to be scum hunting, not randomly calling out people as scummy, which is something I'd expect scum to do.

[EtherealCookie]

Unvote

I was voting to incite moar posts from manho. Does that answer your assumed question of why I voted manho, Sanjay?

I'm agreeing with the how suspicious dramonic is playing, but his play in Out in the Wilde has me a little skeptical of dramonic-scum.

No matter, I have another target:

Vote: EtherealCookie

Gut.

And once again, terrible reasoning. "Gut." Yes, gut instincts are so reliable. Let me know when someone actually has a reason to vote for someone, that goes further than "scum."

[EtherealCookie]

Holy shit, Santos has double voting powers!

vote:FaerieLord

Choochoo!

[EtherealCookie]

Why the vote on dramonic?

Vote:Sanjay

[EtherealCookie]

I'm going to

vote:dramonic

because this seems very pokemon madnessy... I don't like it one bit. I refuse to die in this kind of shinanigans to dramonic again! this is indeed madness.... BUT THIS IS STILL SPARTA!!!!

Don't we need 5 to lynch? Why would you put someone at L-2, when we have two evils, that are different factions? You're just giving them a chance to jump on it.

[EtherealCookie]

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I must've been half asleep when I wrote that.
L-2, Lol.
I meant L-1, and I meant 3 to lynch.

[EtherealCookie]

I've been busy with finals, sorry.
Honestly, atm, I'm not liking Manho. The manho I saw during a game while he was playing was very pursuing of who he thought was scum. Also, I did not like how he jumped on to the FaerieLord bandwagon. It seemed very opportunistic. I don't know why nobody else has considered it as a possible busing.

With that in mind:

Vote:Manho

[EtherealCookie]

Wow. So, there's only an SK left. Mr.Suave, Manho, and I. I'm going to stick with my manho vote. It seemed very opportunistic, that bandwagon jump, and I'm not buying the "I jumped off the bandwagon and then thought I'd get back on" bullcrap.

vote:Manho

[EtherealCookie]

You're quoting what the mafia said? Is that supposed to help you? :O
Besides, you can always inform the game master of what kills you want to take before hand. Not a very hard thing to wrap your mind around.

[EtherealCookie]

The mafia tends to find crappy arguments to back himself up so that it looks like he's scum hunting. His arguments always have flaws, like the one I just pointed out right now. You can always designate who you'd like killed.

[EtherealCookie]

No, scum just needs to find SK and kill him. There are different ways other than lynching. Furthermore, I just pointed out a major flaw in the argument.

[EtherealCookie]

it doesn't matter it is the scum that i was quoting. the thing that matter is the content, that i was in V/LA and the SK still make 2 kills. i know that the SK can send in future kills, but 2 future kills in a week V/LA? i really didn't expect day 3 end so early.

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If you know you are going to be V/LA, obviously you are going to make an entire list of who to kill. It's not hard logic.

and look at day 5 kill on sanjay. i have sanjay in my town list for a really long time. why would i kill sanjay if i need the mafia die to win?

Uhm. Because mafia can be lynched, and you want to take down a pro-town player?

and you've read sanjay's quote that he thought i'm not the SK. if you are scum, who do you want to keep alive more than the one who thought you are town? i would have killed the confirmed town one instead.

I don't understand.

and i'm scum for what reasons?

Voting pattern, and the fact Mr.Suave is confirmed town due to our Sigmuend Frued or whatever.

[EtherealCookie]

if you, cookie, is the SK, of course you are, and sanjay said you are definitely not the SK, would you kill him? i know that the WIFOM thing is involved here, but sanjay would definitely vote cookie and i can get a win if i let sanjay alive, this is much better than using WIFOM as a defence

Of course I would, because what if I found him scummy? And even if he wasn't the scum, you'd still be hitting a pro-town player. It doesn't matter if he thought you couldn't be SK. People's opinions change often. Best to get rid of him while it doesn't look suspicious, right?

[EtherealCookie]

The wheel in the sky keeps on turning...

[EtherealCookie]

>:D

[EtherealCookie]

I basically killed everyone that even hinted at me having the possibility of being SK/Mafia.

[EtherealCookie]

I had the roleblocker ability, and I fell to Snow White's damn trick. And, my play was basically lurk and go after anyone that suspected me. I thought I'd have been found sooner. I never expected to win, honestly.

[EtherealCookie]

Ha, I would've killed Sanjay no matter what that day. He was most certainly the most dangerous given he seemed pro-town. The mafia thing was a damn shock to me.