although I'm sure this meant snow white, please note people that there are TWO SWs in this game...me being the other one.dramonic wrote:Hoy!
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mufasa this is our second game together. Our first game we lynched you for suspicious hammering, and even then I was your only supporter as I was sure you were town, but you not contributing didn't allow us the luxury of keeping you around.Mufasa wrote:you vote me in every game saberwolfShowsaberwolf XIX (2:53:59 AM): what do you know about bigger and better? >.>
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QFTdramonic wrote:But when I use Snow I think of SNow_Bunny...
Also, what gender is that person in your avi? I'm not even sure.Showsaberwolf XIX (2:53:59 AM): what do you know about bigger and better? >.>
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I have decided to:
unvote; vote: Snow White
because competing BWs are useful for town, IMO.Showsaberwolf XIX (2:53:59 AM): what do you know about bigger and better? >.>
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OMGUS voting only keeps my vote on you.Snow White wrote:@ Saber. How are competing bandwagons useful for town? We should examine everyone as equally as possible instead of concentrating on two random individuals to avoid what could be an inevitable mislynch.
Unvote, Vote SaberwolfShowsaberwolf XIX (2:53:59 AM): what do you know about bigger and better? >.>
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my vote was to see if any reactions occured. Also, if you happen to be scum and I start to tilt the BW your way, then it would be interesting to note what happens if the opposing BW is a scum or town one, and what scum do to prevent their member from being lynched. If I feel you are town or don't think the BW is worth pursuing, I can always take my vote off later.Showsaberwolf XIX (2:53:59 AM): what do you know about bigger and better? >.>
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@wickedestjr: the question you asked mufasa is stupid if you've actually been reading the posts. I already explained this. This is the second time I've ever seen Mufasa. Our first game he hammered on day 2 with no explanation other than "it was inevitable". The move was so scummy that everyone immediately jumped on his BW day 3. I was the only one to fight for his right to stay, but when Mufasa chose not to co-operate, I quickly gave up and was the hammer vote. So in total I have voted two times for Mufasa ever, which technically still is every game we've played together, but it's been taken out of context to make it sound AtE.
FoS: MufasaShowsaberwolf XIX (2:53:59 AM): what do you know about bigger and better? >.>
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I'm starting to wonder if what I think in my head ever comes across in what I type... >.<Sanjay wrote:Could you elaborate on that FoS, saberwolf?
I think Mufasa is trying to appeal to emotion. "You vote for me in every game" is much more effective than saying "This is the second time you have voted for me and the second game we have played in". The second one would be dismissive, but by saying it the way he did, he's trying to discredit my vote by saying, "don't mind him, he votes me every game anyways, so it means nothing". I feel only scum would need to appeal to this kind of tactic, the only problem I have is there's no need for scum to freak out this early with only one vote on them, and mufasa doesn't even attempt to play townish based on my meta read, so that's why FoS for now.Showsaberwolf XIX (2:53:59 AM): what do you know about bigger and better? >.>
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Are you talking about the post where you say respond to my vote? Why should I have to respond to it? I only have two votes on me, and neither one of them has a real credible reason for being there, therefore, I do not feel concerned over them or feel the need to defend myself.Wickedestjr wrote:Are you going to respond to my accusation?Showsaberwolf XIX (2:53:59 AM): what do you know about bigger and better? >.>
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Suave: what for you determines when a game is out of the RVS? Is RVS important to you? Does anybody stand out to you at this point, for game related reasons?Showsaberwolf XIX (2:53:59 AM): what do you know about bigger and better? >.>
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Wicked I have already explained this in my previous posts. Creating competitive bandwagons is good for town, as it lets them get reads off of other players, as scum scramble to get on or off certain bandwagons, and as player defend or accuse the ones in question.Showsaberwolf XIX (2:53:59 AM): what do you know about bigger and better? >.>
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Discussion Topic:
For those currently voting for BC or SW, are you satisfied with where your vote is? why or why not?
Who do you think is more deserving of your vote between the two?Showsaberwolf XIX (2:53:59 AM): what do you know about bigger and better? >.>
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And then, the piece de resistance:
trying to convince us that randomly landing on scum the first day never happens. Sure, it's very unlikely, but that's scummy to me if you are trying to use odds for your reasoning. I actually think that one of these two BWs is scum..question is, which one?Snow White wrote:Yay, someone rational!
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Please answer why you find concentrating on two people who are probably most likely to be town better than spreading the wings and examining everyone equally?
(no one get cute, ive yet to see a RVS where one of the bandwagons is scum)
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Comfortable with my vote atm.
Now that I've done all this, I'd have to say it's Snow White who appears the scummiest of the two, hence, my vote stays with her.Showsaberwolf XIX (2:53:59 AM): what do you know about bigger and better? >.>
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the only post that can be used of BCsBloodCovenent wrote:Let's skip the RVS,Vote: BloodCovenent.
Scummy in the fact that he self-voted, yet I've seen several town including myself do this. I don't like the fact that he wanted immediately out of the RVS, but then that's a topic most of mafiascum is split on.
shows emotion to the fact that she was voted for. Then defends BC with IMO a stupid reason. The matter of the fact is, ANYBODY could be a power role...does that mean we just don't lynch? Course not, which is why we take the risk...if they turn out to be a VIP, they can claim, and we can decide whether or not to trust them.Snow White wrote:What?! 2votes. Dramonic why?
Lol. In case any is wondering...Unvote
Confirm vote, LowellI have my reasons.
@DeathNote. Why risk BC like this, for all you know he could have a power role. Is it worth such a risk?
Snow White wrote:Ehm, why not?
Vote Blood Covenentbecause im a grammar nazi on the sly.
Looks like a mild bussing attempt. Voting to appear scumhunting and then immediately takes it off so that others don't follow suit. The odds that we hit two scumwagons on day 1 is very unlikely, yet you never know.Snow White wrote:Unvote Blood Covenent
Explain to me why you wanted to skip the RVS. even though its possible to gleam information from it.
Secondly. Why call for a bandwagon and then FoS myself, Mufasa and Lowell for obliging you.
@ Lowell.
I do hope you'll be more active in this game?
Vote Lowell
Here I get OMGUS voted, which we all know OMGUS = scummySnow White wrote:@ Saber. How are competing bandwagons useful for town? We should examine everyone as equally as possible instead of concentrating on two random individuals to avoid what could be an inevitable mislynch.
Unvote, Vote Saberwolf
And then, the piece de resistance:
trying to convince us that randomly landing on scum the first day never happens. Sure, it's very unlikely, but that's scummy to me if you are trying to use odds for your reasoning. I actually think that one of these two BWs is scum..question is, which one?Snow White wrote:Yay, someone rational!
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Comfortable with my vote atm.
Now that I've done all this, I'd have to say it's Snow White who appears the scummiest of the two, hence, my vote stays with her.Showsaberwolf XIX (2:53:59 AM): what do you know about bigger and better? >.>
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ignore 115, its suppossed to be part of 116, computer screwed up.Showsaberwolf XIX (2:53:59 AM): what do you know about bigger and better? >.>
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I'm not twisting. Lets put this in an easier example: My family has never won the lottery. It is still accurate of me to say, "I've yet to see any of my family win the lottery".This implies that my family had never won the lottery.Snow White wrote:
I have NEVER said "i have NEVER seen a RVS where one of the BW are scum" I said i have YET to see one. Do not twist my words Saber.Saber wrote:Snow White wrote: (no one get cute, iveyetto see a RVS where one of the bandwagons is scum)trying to convince us that randomly landing on scum the first day never happens.
You said you've yet to see scum get RVS BWed, which means you've never seen it happen before.
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Please explain what you mean by this. My vote is still on Snow White.BloodCovenent wrote:
Good job on the pressure vote. you waited what... 41 minutes to see if it worked. You should have at least waited a day.saberwolf wrote:my vote was to see if any reactions occured. Also, if you happen to be scum and I start to tilt the BW your way, then it would be interesting to note what happens if the opposing BW is a scum or town one, and what scum do to prevent their member from being lynched. If I feel you are town or don't think the BW is worth pursuing, I can always take my vote off later.
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Do you have a dictionary at home?Saber wrote: NEVER = YET
The definition of "NEVER" imho is soemthing that is impossible to happen in any given space of time. It will NEVER happen.
"YET" being the word which leaves open the chance that yes, this event may happen, but i have not seen it occur to date.
You HAVE twisted my words.
Does anyone else find it amusing/sad that she tells me to look it up in a dictionary, then proceeds to give me her own definition of the word?
I can disprove you once again Snow White: "I have never flown first class before on an airplane". According to you, the thought of first class is impossible for me and will never happen. "I have yet to fly first class on an airplane" Has the exact same meaning. Both of them imply that i have not been in first class on an airplane. The same applies to your statement. You say you yet to see a scum BW in RVS, which means you've never seen one. YET = NEVER.
Now stop arguing over this pointless garbage. This isn't a matter of arguing scum vs townie, this is a stupid argument over synonymic sentence structuring. Please drop it and start scumhunting, cause all you're doing is whining and bitching.Showsaberwolf XIX (2:53:59 AM): what do you know about bigger and better? >.>
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In my opinion snow white has been acting scummier than bloodcovenent plus the fact we only have one post to really work off of for bloodcovenant while snow white has plenty of newbscum posts going on plus she OMGUSed me, plus she tends to get angry and defensive when voted for more so than a typical townie should as well as the fact that most of bloodcovenant's votes were random bandwagoning votes right off the bat I assume because it looked funny to see him get that many votes that fast I dunno but at the very least you can't say he's scummy simple due to the rate of how fast his bandwagon built up, and also this game aint big enough for two SWs so she's gotta go and I'm now at the point where I'm just typing crap to make this run on sentence even more ridiculously longer but its ok because at the end of it all its still only one sentence even if it is one really ridiculously long run on sentence.Mufasa wrote:Could someone justify for me why Snow white is a better lynch candidate than bloodcovenant in one sentence?Showsaberwolf XIX (2:53:59 AM): what do you know about bigger and better? >.>
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I was seriously considering puting:almightybob wrote:For some reason I imagine gasping for air at the end of that.
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but i wanted to make sure I stuck to one sentence in every possible way :/Showsaberwolf XIX (2:53:59 AM): what do you know about bigger and better? >.>
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could be just me but the way you put that last sentence rubs me the wrong way. It's like you want BC to catch up in posts so that he can catch up in scumminess.Mufasa wrote:haha just for making that one sentence I might have to fos you haha just kidding.
But ya I agree that Snow White is more scummier because we have seen more from her we need more actions from bloodcovenant
also, you seem a lot more contributive than our last game. Granted, you've done no actual scumhunting, but at least you're talking...Showsaberwolf XIX (2:53:59 AM): what do you know about bigger and better? >.>
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So you def just quote snipped me to look bad, as I put several more reasons for my vote.EtherealCookie wrote:
I don't like this post. You're telling me you're voting on Snow White simply for saying that? I dono, seems like a bad excuse to vote somebody.saberwolf wrote:And then, the piece de resistance:
trying to convince us that randomly landing on scum the first day never happens. Sure, it's very unlikely, but that's scummy to me if you are trying to use odds for your reasoning. I actually think that one of these two BWs is scum..question is, which one?Snow White wrote:Yay, someone rational!
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Comfortable with my vote atm.
Now that I've done all this, I'd have to say it's Snow White who appears the scummiest of the two, hence, my vote stays with her.
Not really... I see townies do it too, to try defending themselves.Here I get OMGUS voted, which we all know OMGUS = scummy
I don't understand the Snow White bandwagon. You're trying to justify it with some silly excuses. Honestly, it still seems like we're in RVS.
Anyhow.
Vote:Saberwolf
I really hope this can move quicker. Eight pages, moving extremely slowly, people still randomly voting or picking on minor details.
You could always contribute a little more to the game too ya know if you feel we're still stuck in RVSShowsaberwolf XIX (2:53:59 AM): what do you know about bigger and better? >.>
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DO, while I duly note you are a replacement, in due time I'd like you to do the following please. Do an ISO on everybody, as well as do a comparison analysis of the two main BWs, and please do not be a dofus about it. If you do not comply, you will be doomed to do over um....yeah, I'm running out of ways to say do.Showsaberwolf XIX (2:53:59 AM): what do you know about bigger and better? >.>
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DO: hope to hear from you soon regarding an up to date view of what you think is happening, along with your list of suspects.
wicked: How much of our scumhunting do you believe has been from badly worded posts? Do you think SW and cookie are scumbuddies? Why is cookie more scummy to you than SW right now?
cookie: you cannot even claim ignorance on the fact that you only focused on part of my case against SW. Why were the rest of my points not good enough to catch your attention and be addressed?Showsaberwolf XIX (2:53:59 AM): what do you know about bigger and better? >.>
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Let me rephrase: do you believe that whats been done in this game so far is actual scumhunting, or us tunnelling on those who make poor choices of wording in posts? Are we catching scum slips, or dumb slips in your opinion, based on post value?Showsaberwolf XIX (2:53:59 AM): what do you know about bigger and better? >.>
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also, to answer your counterquestion, I feel I see a couple of possible connections:
SW and cookie, SW being either noobtown or noobscum and cookie trying to take some of the pressure off her through chainsaw defence
SW and BC: VERY unlikely, but you gotta consider everything.
SW and Wicked: Wicked putting heat on cookie so that SW gets looked over for a while
Looking at this I realise SW is in this a lot, so I'm going to reread over again and see if I can find any non-SW connections.Showsaberwolf XIX (2:53:59 AM): what do you know about bigger and better? >.>
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Why thank you. Would you like me to give my opinion on something?EtherealCookie wrote:Hi, Death Note! So kind of you to join us.Showsaberwolf XIX (2:53:59 AM): what do you know about bigger and better? >.>
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it's just funny how those who are for abortion are already born....
anyways, back to scumhunting.Showsaberwolf XIX (2:53:59 AM): what do you know about bigger and better? >.>
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yes, elaboration IS necessary. I would like to hear in your own words why this vote was deserved.Deuxieme Octopus wrote:Hello all. I have arrived bearing gifts:
vote: snow white
She's totally scum. Elaboration is not necessary.Showsaberwolf XIX (2:53:59 AM): what do you know about bigger and better? >.>
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MME: Parrot much? Look at your recent post, then look at the postdirectly above it>.>Showsaberwolf XIX (2:53:59 AM): what do you know about bigger and better? >.>
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I actually thought it was intentional and you and MME were mocking me, loldramonic wrote:
Yes, it was unintentionnal double post. It said I couldnt post the sam message again, but didnt show I posted. so i modified it but it posted both ^_^;My Milked Eek wrote:dramonic. You do know that you're parroting #248 with your #249?Showsaberwolf XIX (2:53:59 AM): what do you know about bigger and better? >.>
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pretty sure it was santos who said that and not sanjayShowsaberwolf XIX (2:53:59 AM): what do you know about bigger and better? >.>
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Sanjay: I have played one other game with Mufasa. He was town in that game and he's playing just like he was in that game. Posts votes haphazardly and doesn't care how scummy his posts look. Refusal to elaborate was also one of his things. So to see him doing it again bugs me, but He turned out town the last time he did that, so it was basically a choice of meta.Showsaberwolf XIX (2:53:59 AM): what do you know about bigger and better? >.>
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on an unrelated topic, if that's SW in her d.p, she's cute ^_^Showsaberwolf XIX (2:53:59 AM): what do you know about bigger and better? >.>
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I'm in the same boat as Mr Suave. I'll post when I feel I got time.
Don't worry SW, I'll get back to youShowsaberwolf XIX (2:53:59 AM): what do you know about bigger and better? >.>
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[whisper]pfft, fine then *secludes into silence*[/whisper]FaerieLord wrote: Saberwolf: You talk too much. And your logic hurts my ear drumsShowsaberwolf XIX (2:53:59 AM): what do you know about bigger and better? >.>
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you said I hurt your eardrums, so I figured a softer tone was in orderFaerieLord wrote:I never said you talk loudly, now did I?
Do you think long posts are helpful or harmful to town?
I think it depends on the situation. For example, it's really hard to make a really short ISO. Then again, it's usually not helpful to town when a couple people get into quote wars and make walls of text.
I don't think I've been making that many long posts. I'm no mastin or andytony, I just post what needs to be addressed. I actually haven't talked in a really long time now, I've been busy with other games, as well as real life, so this game has been low priority as well as I plan to watch and make notes for a substantial post later, but yeah.
I still have SW questions to get to, I haven't forgotten.Showsaberwolf XIX (2:53:59 AM): what do you know about bigger and better? >.>
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FL: From now on I demand that any posts you make consist of 25 words or less, because I hate long posts
ok, I'm done joking around with you, I got your point. Unfortunately you don't always get what you want. Now hopefully my next post is a scumhunting one.Showsaberwolf XIX (2:53:59 AM): what do you know about bigger and better? >.>
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I need time to think this over, and I don't want somebody hammering you while I'm debating whether to believe you or not.
oh, and if you are cop, don't investigate the person you claimed you would, just in case there is a roleblocker.
For the most part, it makes sense to keep a unCCed cop cop because the rewards outweigh the risks, and we have plenty of time to off her if she slips up and proves not to be legit. After all, it's only day 1.
vote: BC
with the deadline close at hand, I'm simply going on the next biggest popular BW for now until I finish rereading the game and determine if it should stick or move on.Showsaberwolf XIX (2:53:59 AM): what do you know about bigger and better? >.>
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unvote;vote:Snow White
also, nice to see everybody noticed my absence...not once was my name mentioned, and yet plenty of other ppl were accused of lurking. Why the pick and choose?
Discuss
For a claimed cop, your entire story spells BOGUS to me. You've been caught now in a few lies, and have come up with real crappy ideas for our lynches. I think the real cop [if it isn't BC or SW], should claim RIGHT NOW, as that would def end the game right there.Showsaberwolf XIX (2:53:59 AM): what do you know about bigger and better? >.>
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i changed my mind
unvote;vote:BCShowsaberwolf XIX (2:53:59 AM): what do you know about bigger and better? >.>
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*prods almightybob unnecessarily*Showsaberwolf XIX (2:53:59 AM): what do you know about bigger and better? >.>
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I dunno, it'd be nice if the mod would at least show up and give us a votecount or something...it could be someone has the ability to take away a vote, maybe BC is unlynchable, or maybe our mod is MIA, hard to say.Showsaberwolf XIX (2:53:59 AM): what do you know about bigger and better? >.>
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and that makes sense how?xRECKONERx wrote:if BC is unlynchable, he's definitely scum, and that (IMO) clears Snow White.Showsaberwolf XIX (2:53:59 AM): what do you know about bigger and better? >.>
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but then how do we kill him? The only way to kill him would be another scum team NK him, and they'd hold onto him until pre-lylo and then NK him. Wouldn't be fair on town.xRECKONERx wrote:He didn't claim unlynchable cop, now, did he?Showsaberwolf XIX (2:53:59 AM): what do you know about bigger and better? >.>
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reading BC's sig at this moment is ironic...Showsaberwolf XIX (2:53:59 AM): what do you know about bigger and better? >.>
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This post is an amazing towntell.....Starbuck wrote:Bah, go town!
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See you at endgame.
Very interesting post indeed....My Milked Eek wrote:What?
After I got caught up?
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Go town, I guess. See you later.
After analyzing both of these posts, the path is obvious:
vote: dramonicShowsaberwolf XIX (2:53:59 AM): what do you know about bigger and better? >.>
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muahahahaha! my complex plan of removing deathnote from the game was a success!
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who was your original target? odds are you hit scum and they safeguarded themselves to prevent a NK on them.Mufasa wrote:I was the vig and my shot did get redirected, and now I am no loner able to vig, I am a vanilla townie nowShowsaberwolf XIX (2:53:59 AM): what do you know about bigger and better? >.>
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Ok well this works out nicely.
@ vigIf you are out there and Mufasa is fakeclaiming, CC now.
otherwise we have one and possibly two mafia roles confirmed.
SW should still be kept for now, on the off chance SW is cop, there is a roleblocker and we lynch him. Then SW can start giving us results.Showsaberwolf XIX (2:53:59 AM): what do you know about bigger and better? >.>
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AHA! I got something!
SW claims to have been roleblocked.
Mufasa claims to have been redirected.
ONE OF THESE TWO IS LYING.
We lynched the GF day 1, so there is no GF and no traitor.
This leaves two mafia. Every single role PM states that they cannot use their abilities and kill. They can only do one or the other every night.
We had three deaths last night, and mafia can only kill 1/night so that would leave a vig and an SK. That means of the mafia, one used their ability while the other killed someone, therefore, SW or Mufasa is lying about being targetted by mafia.
If anyone can find a way to prove me wrong, feel free to show me, otherwise I think I'm onto something.Showsaberwolf XIX (2:53:59 AM): what do you know about bigger and better? >.>
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care to elaborate? Does it have to do with him mentioning starbuck?dramonic wrote:Vig, dont bother counterclaiming. Mufasa scumslipped without the CC.Showsaberwolf XIX (2:53:59 AM): what do you know about bigger and better? >.>
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bolded part rubs me the wrong way. There's no way for you to know this.Snow White wrote:Dramonic remove that vote. And on that how do we know there's not four mafiaso's, read the role pm's. But there is chance of a traitor.
@Saber. I said i got no results. This being because idelibrately took no action last night.
I was fully expecting to be roleblocked.
See post I said i had planned to investigate Wicked pre being outted. I at no point said i had changed my mind on carrying out an investigation and hoped a roleblocker would target me. Thus simply stating "no result" today.You sound as if your honestly expecting results with a potential roleblocker in the house do you seriously think i would get results?
I do hope this explains my actions (or thereof lack of) last night.
Mufasa's claim is true.I believe him wholly innocent in light of no counterclaim and if people are solely basing their vote on Mufasa as mafia being only able to take one kill and one action then this point is now invalid.
also, there can't be a traitor. We lynched GF before he got a chance to recruit.Showsaberwolf XIX (2:53:59 AM): what do you know about bigger and better? >.>
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its called Mufasa being stupid and slipping up.Snow White wrote:Re. The traitor. There's an option of the traitor being a mafia back up... so when BC was lynched, its possible that the mafia Godfather role was attributed to the traitor. No? Not certifiably so, its only a possiblity but its still worth thinking about.
I believe Mufasa's claim. There is no CC and if his aim was redirected then he'd be foolish to say so when i came out and said i had recieved no results. Almost suicidal would you not say?
as for the back up role i'm pretty sure you need to be turned before you can be back-up, so I don't think we need to worry about that.Showsaberwolf XIX (2:53:59 AM): what do you know about bigger and better? >.>
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already went over this. It's up to the GF by the role PM to recruit, and we never gave him a chance, therefore there's just two left.dramonic wrote:
Good point.Snow White wrote:And on that how do we know there's not four mafiaso's, read the role pm's.Showsaberwolf XIX (2:53:59 AM): what do you know about bigger and better? >.>
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do you agree with the thought of an SK? I figure there has to be. three NKs means 1 by scum, 1 by vig, and 1 by SK. Further proof of this IMO is people claiming the injection suggest flavour kill of a mafia doctor, but why does the mafia need a doctor?Sanjay wrote:I'm almost certain we have a vigilante. Unless I'm reading wrong, there's no other way to have two nightkills. And if we have a vigilante, they no longer have their powers because they definitely miskilled.
Therefore, there's no reason for our vigilante not to counterclaim. It's not like they have their powers any more.
If they claim, we lynch Mufasa (or perhaps them). If we lynched the wrong person we lynch the right person the next day.
Unless there is a counterclaim, we have to conclude, perhaps begrudgingly, Mufasa is town.
I really don't think it likely we got two kills by anything but a mafia and a vigilante. Firstly, I am operating under the assumption that the roles in the second post are the only roles we are dealing with. Secondly, three or four mafia + one serial killer seems like enough scum for the town to handle, and I can't really see what other role would have a nightkill.
Is there anything wrong with this reasoning?To protect others from being NKedWho can NK? Vigs and SKs.Showsaberwolf XIX (2:53:59 AM): what do you know about bigger and better? >.>
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