Mini 197- Points Mafia; Game over!

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Computer is up and going now so I can finally get posting yay
I dont think we can rule out the possibility of an SK but I don't think we can have any idea until a double kill night
I dont see anything wrong with mlakers speculation of the nightscene and im not sure what hed have to gain by making such speculation if he were scum
My hunch right now is with SpeedyKQ as being scum

Vote SpeedyKQ

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FOS Nai

for ignoring the most likely explanation after blasting mlaker for not paying attention to the opening post

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Generally speaking, I don't think we should reveal how much points we have. There may be a specific case later on, but it's not now.

Definitely agreed
I find it far less likely for SpeedyKQ to be mafia after the balancing issue bit
I also strongly agree with MeMes suspicion of Nai and combined with my prvious suspicion Im content with

Vote Nai

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Sure no problem
In post 17 SpeedyKQs first post his FOS felt mildly flimsy to me and he seemed to consciously avoid being the one who was running him up to a lynch
It was just an early guess and now I am much more firmly in the camp that SpeedyKQ is protown for earlier posted reasons
I was suspicious of Nai earlier and his recent posts only served to worsen my suspicion of him
MeMe just beat me to the punch

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Quick note for the mod
I used poor form earlier
I did not

Unvote SpeedyKQ

I still stand by my

Vote Nai

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I can do the honors this time

Hmmm

Post
pull

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I'm still happy with my vote on Nai.

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Translating.

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MeMes posts
Post 1
Read
Again

Nais
been
accused
for
failing
to
consider
me
possible
scum

And
Someones
fltout
said
he
hasa
restriction


Post 2
Typos
kkk

Though I suspect the last kkk bit was intended as actual smileys
Im still happy with my vote on Nai
TradaPIBs explanation doesnt seem voteworthy or scummy to me
Im also not sure why Someone finds annoyance to be a cause worthy of an FOS

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Posted by MeMe
Thats
four

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MeMes post

If
thbrbs
valid
reason
for
a
wagon
im
not
afraid
to
join
it

nlakers
claim
of
sitting
on
usable
points
only
makes
me
happier
with
my
vote

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I could go with either mlaker or Nai at this moment I suppose
Still more inclined towards Nai

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So Yggdrasil where would you put it regardless of the votecount
Quit stalling

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So yggdrasil you think mlaker is misunderstanding how points work and is wasting them but you still think he is scum
Odd

Unvote Nai
Vote Yggdrasil

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Unvote Yggdrasil

No sense voting for him while he is away right now
sigh
Not sure where to turn now

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MeMe says

No
you
have
to
do
it
before
night
or
too
late


I agree
Not sure what the hold up now is

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I agree with CoolBot

Vote mlaker

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What restriction did you get

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I concur with both SpeedyKQ and MeMe, and I lean towards a Nai lynch over any other right now.

[exits stage right]

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Translating.

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MeMe's post:
In
his
last
post
it
sounds
lije [sic]
he
considers
town
to
be
separate
from
himself


An excellent point. I endorse the TradaPIB wagon, but still feel more comfortable in pursuing Nai. I'd be happy with pressuring either one to claim at this point, personally.

Also, in the vote count, MeMe is listed as voting for both TradaPIB and Not Voting.

[Exeunt back right.]

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TradaPIB, claim, please.

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I'm townie. I haven't spent any of my points. When you find I'm innocent blame yourselves.

How many points do you have?

[waves hand dramatically to emphasize point]

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Vote: TradaPIB

. I don't buy it. Why save them?

[looks cautiously around]

I have indeed taken a disability.

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Well, crud. Most likely we have 2 mafia and an SK left, if the typical numbers are present in this game. Mass claim time?

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Why would an SK kill Nai? I think it

much

more likely that it was the work of a vigilante.

The flavor is odd for a vigilante, as others have said. I also think the SK (assuming we have one that likes Ziploc bags) realizes if they hit town, they'd lose, too.

I also think the points method of claiming espoused by MeMe is a bad idea. I'm also starting to suspect MeMe more and more, especially after the re-read and her voice swayed the town from Nai to mlaker. She unvoted Nai after the third vote was placed.

At this point, I seriously doubt Yggdrasil is mafia. I'm 85% sure Phoebus is mafia, and I am inclined to think either MeMe or Stewie is Phoebus' compatriot.

Vote: Phoebus.

Lynching mafia today is our best chance.

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Warning, TL;DR post ahead!

1) Why do you think Phoebus is mafia?

Reasons posted below. I've quoted all of his posts. It's also worth noting that he really hasn't contributed anything constructive towards finding scum.

I'll raise a toast to MeMe and vote: mlaker

Nai has been acting more jumpy than a rabbit on crack but for now, I'll give him the benefit of the doubt. Think it's his first big game here? He seems eager to please.
That might account for his behaviour.

I'll still be keeping an eye on him though.

Joins the mlaker bandwagon, defends Nai, but still claims to keep an eye on him. Wishy-washy, wants both sides of the fence.

Hmm.
It just sounds extremely out of place when no one was talking about you, nor demanding you post or whatever.

Also, you say you'll try to be around more.
That talks to me as you being unavailable/not able to get on scum much.
That's a valid excuse if you called on posting less.
However, you come out of nowhere and claim a "waiting game" with especial emphasis with the quotes?

It just looks fishy and pre-emptive.

Setting up a scapegoat. I personally didn't see the big deal TradaPIB's comment, and found it less likely something scum would have said at the time.

Stam's attitude does not help...
he seems resigned to a fate he seems to have decided/accepted for himself.

It's so easy to get circular on this...is the frustration because he's town? or because he's scum caught?

Can we have a vote count on this page please?

Wishy-washy again, wants both sides of the fence.

*sigh* Yes.

That's what I get for keeping multiple games open in multiple tabs.

Phoesbus??
That should really count towards your three word limit!

Tries to get another player in trouble.

I've been dwelling on this for all of yesterday now and this is poor my play.
I dither on calling the poor play deserves to lose card but i might just do it.
It's so circular! *sigh*

And crola, I was kidding, hence the

Wishy-washy again. Stalling.

Most of his posts are without substantive comment. The ones that are have scummy content.

2) Why do you think my points claiming idea is a bad one?

I'm beginning to think that the scum may also have their own list of abilities they can buy from, separate from our list. Notice how the ability SpeedyKQ had, which was slightly tweaked to stop

most

kills didn't save him. What sort of kill would kill him? It makes sense to me to think that scum may be able to purchase an unstoppable kill. It also makes sense to me that scum would want to hide that under the guise of "just claiming points". If we do claims, I personally would prefer if MeMe claimed first, abilities, points, and everything (as I think if she's scum, this would most likely catch her, and if she's town, she's most likely exonerated through this), and go from there. I would be willing to do the same afterwards.

3) Why do you think "swaying" people to mlaker was a bad idea? He sure looked scummy to me and, apparently, to several others (including you, as you ended day one with your vote on him).

This is a good one. What's notable is the timing of it, that it happened while there was still significant pressure on Nai, whom we know to be scum. My vote was placed for two reasons: because of how he claimed and appeared to stall, and because if he wasn't scum, at the time my not voting him wouldn't stop him from being deadlined lynched and if he was scum, I'd get a point. I acknowledge that it could just as easily appear that I hopped on to get the point were I scum.

4) Why have you abandoned your "mass claim time" idea in favor of a vote with very little discussion -- before half the town has even posted this day?

Actually, half the town has posted, aside from myself, this is misrepresentation. It also appears that Yggdrasil is inclined to use mass claim as a last resort to today, MeMe believes a different method of claiming is preferable, and Phoebus appears to be trying to skirt addressing the issue alltogether. I'm still weighing the worthiness of mass-claim to out the rest of the mafia, but at this point I'm pretty convinced Phoebus is one of them.

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CORRECTION: I did

not

quote all of Phoebus's posts, as I just said above. I quoted all of his posts I found

notable

. Sorry.

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No, this is a misunderstanding of my meaning, though I get how it could be read either way. What I meant was that three players (about half of who's left) have yet to post, so you're abandoning your initial idea before half (the second half, that is) have gotten here. And despite the misunderstanding, you still didn't answer the meat of the question -- which is "why vote so fast when you seemed to prefer claiming earlier?"

We're just short two players, if I'm not mistaken, CoolBot and Stewie. My vote also comes after re-reading the thread. My first post was a reaction to the death scene, before a re-read. Things make a lot more sense going back, knowing who's town and scum at this point. I think I'm convinced enough in Phoebus's scumminess to put that vote down. What do you think of my thoughts on Phoebus?

I believe that if we can come up with a way to keep town abilities hidden while catching out scum, that's

certainly

preferable, yeah.

Why is the points-claiming theory at all useful? That's what I don't get. I'd much rather no-claim than merely points-claim.

In light of SpeedyKQ's death scene, I think this is a good theory...but if the scum do have things they can buy, I'd hope they're limited to "one of each" like we are (making others who've invested in "unkillable at night" safe).

Hmm...so how is this speculation helpful? Aren't there ~3 different mafia people? Couldn't they each buy one? Wouldn't the possibility of multiple purchases of such balance out the possibility of multiple people purchasing body armor?

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I think there's something there (which I thought was clear from my "nice answers" earlier), but there's no way I think

anyone

should be voted (unless by a cop with a guilty investigation...though your "85%" tells me this isn't the case) when we could be in endgame and before everyone's checked in. Fast days don't help town. Ever.

I wasn't looking for a fast day, I was looking for people's thoughts and votes. And while I would disagree that there are times when fast days

can

be good for the town, I agree this is not one of those times. I'll be happy to

Unvote: Phoebus

wih the understanding that I fully intend to vote for him, and am far less likely of voting anyone else as things stand.

How could it

hurt

? If we don't get enough information from it then we could move on to a fuller claim. What about my suggestion worries you?

If we points claim, the scum still gets a very good idea of who is a power role and who isn't. I don't see how it gets us closer tof inding scum, since the usual point of mass claims is to verify everyone's stories check out with each other.

Um...well how is that speculation

harmful

? Regardless, I just went and read through the front post and it says this...

You may only buy each ability once, and the mafia can only buy an ability once.

So, basically, why are you arguing with me? My speculation was correct and your counter was wrong. Question is...was it

intentionally

wrong? I'd think mafia would want to go out of their way to appear as though they have

no

idea how the mafia team works...

Derf. My mistake. You are indeed correct on the "mafia only buys once" mechanic.

I also concur with much of Yggdrasil's analysis, particularly on Stewie. I think a Phoebus/Stewie mafia is quite probable.

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Two kill mafia is completly different from unstoppable kill mafia. Two kill mafia is broken because it would be overpowered, but unstoppable kill is not, specially if it it one kill.

I will reread and post something better tomorrow after I reread, that's if I find enough time to do so. Yes, I will do a post by post, so I'll ask for your forgiveness in advance.

I agree with the first part of this, and look forward to the second.

Heh.
Skirting from addressing the issue altogether? Wishy washy?
You can call it that if you like.

Apparently, you're still skirting the issue.

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The issue you skirted earlier (and are now, intentionally or not) was the idea of claiming or not.

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Hmm, interesting thinking. In any case, it's looking like everyone thinks Phoebus is mafia (except for CoolBot, who may or may not, but hasn't weighed in on the issue, at least in part due to three-word-post-restriction), and will probably be the best lynch for the day.

I can also conceive of a CoolBot/Phoebus mafia, as MeMe's analysis looks compelling as well. In general, I think it unlikely for Yggdrasil to be mafia, I'm so-so on Stewie and MeMe, and my current guess is possibly CoolBot for mafia partner with Phoebus. Dunno yet, can't lynch them both today anyway. As far as SK, I have a weird feeling MeMe is the serial killer, but that's a much harder one to tell on anyone.

I think I'd like to hear more from CoolBot today. My supposition is that he wouldn't be able to post twice in a row, so I encourage anyone who sees him post to post immediately thereafter, even if it's a quick sentence to say you like pie, so he might possibly be able to post again after you.

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Odd way to show conern.

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In my experience scum are more likely to point out possible infractions to try and get the mod to do something about it (usually in modkill form). Not universally, but it's often the case. Almost always, the mod can fend for themselves.

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Could be.

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Whyfor?

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Hmm.

I think I'm ready to lynch Phoebus at this point, personally, as earlier stated.

Vote: Phoebus.

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Vote count please?

Sure. Here's an unofficial vote count based upon looking for the bolded text on the last page and this one:

Phoebus - 1 (Thesp)
Not Voting - CoolBot, MeMe, Phoebus, Stewie, Yggdrasil

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I bought doctor night one.
I had 11 points, one left now.

My targets have been MeMe, CoolBot and yggdrasil.

He lies.

Happy with my vote.

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He lies.

You know how?

If others request it, I will state it.

Of course, such things are better left in the dark, lest scum know better what to do, but if

necessary

, and requested by others whom I trust more, I will reveal. I think Phoebus has been scummy enough regardless of what I say about him lying.

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Stewie, what are your thoughts?

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Phenomenal game. Thanks all. Way to go town, pulling out a very difficult win in the end!

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I think this game was a shining example of how the game mechanics worked

with

the day voting and posting to flow beautifully into a compelling game where what happened in both day and night were so crucial to a wonderful gameplay experience. In some games, it degenerates into the priority of night actions and day becomes beholden to the night, but I know I was guessing until the end. Very well played all, I would be honored to play with each of you again.

And save me a spot for Points 2.