Shoot, 3 people in this game I've played with *shifty eyes*
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Yo yo yo!
Shoot, 3 people in this game I've played with *shifty eyes*
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You sir, are overthinking random voting.Scien wrote:
My wiki is up to date with games that are not currently running. Behold!Raskol wrote:Those of you who don't already have them on your wiki page: could you post links to some/all of your completed games?
For being the first to post in the game: [voted Scien]
As for your reasoning for what I believe is a random vote, just out of curiosity, are you claiming there is meaning to derive from the person that posts first? Or is that just an explanation for your vote?
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I will go berserk with judgment. (see what I did there??? ;p)Amished wrote:AGar, if you aren't "Berserking" around this game, I *will* vote for you with an avatar like that...
Surely you would want me to choose the wine in front of you, so I must choose the wine in front of me!Scien wrote:Oh and this: "You sir, are overthinking random voting."
On the contrary, I was making sureTHEYweren't over thinking a random vote.Ski mask? Check! Sawed off? Check! Guilty conscience, fear of death? Check! Check! Check!
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Moar WIFOM!!! :pScien wrote:Heh. You can claim I'm using WIFOM that if you want, but my question was obviously only to clarify his position. I never made a claim that I thought it meant something (unless he came back with an answer that suggested that the first post meant something), and you fabricating it otherwise is ridiculous at best and manipulative at worst.
I've never actually been able to screw around in the "RVS" as it's either never happened or I've missed it (replacing in). This is a wonderful experience for meSki mask? Check! Sawed off? Check! Guilty conscience, fear of death? Check! Check! Check!
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Papa Zoto, get you're ass in here!Ski mask? Check! Sawed off? Check! Guilty conscience, fear of death? Check! Check! Check!
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Scien wrote:One more try.
Raskol wrote:For being the first to post in the game.
First. How is me making sure that it was truly a random vote, me 'overthinking'.Scien wrote:As for your reasoning for what I believe is a random vote, just out of curiosity, are you claiming there is meaning to derive from the person that posts first? Or is that just an explanation for your vote?
Second. When I specifically asked in the post you are criticizing if it was merely a reasoning for a random vote, how can you claim that I wasn't looking at their 'thinking'. Instead you accuse me of WIFOM.
Stretch much.
That's enough for a non-random vote.
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Did you miss the tongue smilies and me saying I never get to dick around in RVS? I'm definitely not serious with any of this atm. Just trying to spark discussion in some way or another.Ski mask? Check! Sawed off? Check! Guilty conscience, fear of death? Check! Check! Check!
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Well, since you forced my hand, I wasn't going to two-fac, I was planning a Deep Six. /starcraftdiscussionAmished wrote:1) AGar: Why do you only want PZ to come in? So you can 2fac him like you always do?
I really feel like ekiM is reaching on Scien here, but I'm not sure. I'm way out of my league in this game
@Raksol - my wiki is up-to-date with every game I've played, and all the games I'm currently in. I implore you to try and understand my meta, because I sure as hell don't.Ski mask? Check! Sawed off? Check! Guilty conscience, fear of death? Check! Check! Check!
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Oh also, since we've left RVS and I have no reason to really suspect Papa Zito right now:
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I'm here, for the record. Work + School + Student Government (almost another job in itself) got the better of me.
Catching up now.Ski mask? Check! Sawed off? Check! Guilty conscience, fear of death? Check! Check! Check!
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Ok, not much there :p
First of all @Troll, I wasn't playing the newbie card. I was playing the "I'm-a-really-shitty-player-in-a-game-amongst-really-good-players" card. But as it were, I'll stop making comments of the like.
Now, to ekiM:
Just did a quick iso and realized he's contributed very little to the game other than fluff: calling Scien out for getting a little worked up over my jokes and then just bullshitting about it and dragging it out further than it needed to go, almost as if he was trying to force a slip that he could jump on. Then he comes back and accuses me of playing the newbie card. Now it would be one thing if I said something like "I don't get how this works" and multiple people had called me out on that. Instead, I said "I'm out of my league" and the only other person to mention this was Zorblag. This really perked me up.
Also, about the unvote - I've played two games with Papa, so I know how he plays fairly well, and I have no reason to leave a vote on him right now, and I'm of the opinion that votes should not be used lightly.
VP, you're not making me easy with your willingness to ignore someone. :/
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Feck.
Meant to add in a bit at the end of "...person to mention this was Zorblag. This really perked me up."
Meant to add "Looks like someone might be trying to make an easy reach on something."Ski mask? Check! Sawed off? Check! Guilty conscience, fear of death? Check! Check! Check!
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Am I the only one of the opinion that PZ is serious right now?
Don't hate Stork.Amished wrote:(this is much different from Dino-toss)Ski mask? Check! Sawed off? Check! Guilty conscience, fear of death? Check! Check! Check!
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I think you might have been very slightly overthinking RVS. The WIFOM was a complete joke, though - you gave a fair response, I was just being an asshat with that one.Scien wrote:Secondly to Agar:
Ok, so I was getting worked up over jokes. That's a fair claim. Are you telling me that you don't think I was using WIFOM defenses or 'over thinking' the RVS? There is no truth in that?Ski mask? Check! Sawed off? Check! Guilty conscience, fear of death? Check! Check! Check!
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I'm just sayin'...Zorblag wrote:@AGar, you, like everyone else in this game, are here because you're good at the game. Troll will let the self-deprecation that has happened already go but not accept any more if it looks like you or anyone else be using it as an excuse for whatever play happens.
Anyways, the game is kinda goin' slow right now.Ski mask? Check! Sawed off? Check! Guilty conscience, fear of death? Check! Check! Check!
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Picking up my prod.
I'm a bit interested in the back and forths going on. Amished, why are you so interested in getting peoples opinions out right away? And for SC/Sando - why are you so interested in keeping that to a minimum? Just for the sake of full discussion, because I seemed to have missed it other than "I want to know" and "I don't need to submit to your demands", respectively.
I wish I could say I had no failings in my confidence, but he's gone rather inactive, so I can't get a better read of him. However, I feel it fulfills it's purpose right now.VP Baltar wrote:AGar's instant OMGUS on ekiM in post 132 is quite interesting. AGar, how confident in this vote?
I'm interested in this meta discussion, particularly VP's take on one point. I've played with a few people in this game (Papa Zito and VP have both finished games with me). So I obviously know their styles. Now I've played a game where VP and I were townies and two games with PZ - one where I was scum and he was town, one where he was town and I was town. Under VP's argument, I couldn't really assume a meta for either of them as scum. However, I know of several games where PZ was scum, and I could easily read them over, no? That seems to be something you somewhat overlooked, VP.
Quick bit @SC (and all others interested) - I will have spurts where I don't post for an entire day. Unfortunately, it's the way my schedule is built. I can't post much on Mondays or Wednesdays usually - I'm busy as all get-out. Yesterday was honestly just a bad day for me though. Usually I'm more active on weekends.Ski mask? Check! Sawed off? Check! Guilty conscience, fear of death? Check! Check! Check!
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For the first part - no worries. I was just letting people know. The past few games I've played have accused me of active lurking because I make a few bah posts or stupid posts in mishmash (I'm in Scumleague) but it's literally because those take 30 seconds, and my schedule is crammed into two days.SerialClergyman wrote:Ok, maybe my post about activity came off as harsher than intended. I was somewhat frustrated that we have a lot of good active players and yet only about 1/3 of people were posting. I expected that given 48 hours was prod-able, there would be more activity.
I am not the activity warden, I've lurked through D1 before, and not posted for a while before, I don't mean to be overly critical, I just felt the game could use more participation than just the 4 players who were (lets face it) writing semi-walls about theory that noone else would read.
AGar - unlike Sando, I don't have a problem with giving my reads. What I object to is people asking me to tell them who is scum or who is town when I don't have a good enough idea yet. It makes me feel like I have to take a stance I don't believe in, or 'make up' reasons why they are scum, and I know for a fact doing that leads me to tunnelling and playing badly. So if someone asks me a question I don't have an answer to, like tell me who is scum, or place your vote on someone non-random, I can't give them what they want. Believe me, you'll hear a lot about my reads throughout the game.
To the second - fair enough. I just wanted to know what the general debate was about. Thank you. Think I have some further ideas here.Ski mask? Check! Sawed off? Check! Guilty conscience, fear of death? Check! Check! Check!
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I don't follow this at all - it's completely incoherent. If clarified, I might be able to respond to it, but right now, it's all garbled.Ojanen wrote:
ekiM showed you say "I really feel like ekiM is reaching on Scien here, but I'm not sure. I'm way out of my league in this game " and then you unvoted your RVS vote because there was no real reason to suspect PZ.AGar wrote:Then he comes back and accuses me of playing the newbie card. Now it would be one thing if I said something like "I don't get how this works" and multiple people had called me out on that. Instead, I said "I'm out of my league" and the only other person to mention this was Zorblag. This really perked me up.
Which is pretty strongly saying that you feel something is suspicious, but are not sure because supposedly being not in others' league, which is a reference to lack of proficiency and seemed a potentially deliberate fence-sit, and had no meaningful difference to playing the newbie card in this context.
Also, what does few vs. multiple people calling you out have to do with anything?
I really don't get this coupled with the OMGUS vote.
Letting people know where I stand on issues, possibly pushing a read out of a player, or other players. Generating discussion as well.VP Baltar wrote:
And what is that purposeAGar wrote:I wish I could say I had no failings in my confidence, but he's gone rather inactive, so I can't get a better read of him. However, I feel it fulfills it's purpose right now.
Duly noted.VP Baltar wrote:
Reading over or having read over games were not in his original statement. I'm not going to assume he has simply because that is something he COULD do. Incomplete meta is incomplete meta and could simply be scum excusing their partner's behavior without explanation. /quote]AGar wrote:Under VP's argument, I couldn't really assume a meta for either of them as scum. However, I know of several games where PZ was scum, and I could easily read them over, no? That seems to be something you somewhat overlooked, VP.
Ok, fair enough.
Amished wrote:@AGar: {Why I want opinions out right away} I feel it breeds a better D1 atmosphere to actually look for people who aren't operating on the towns agenda, and get people to talk about something. Low activity games hurt the town. If I get everyone to talk about something, then it's helpful to my faction.
I'm going to wait until ekiM's replacement before really doing much more, because that's where my first suspicion lies.Ski mask? Check! Sawed off? Check! Guilty conscience, fear of death? Check! Check! Check!
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Sorry if I came across a little brutal in that.Ojanen wrote:
I'm slightly ESL impaired, apparently this was one of those moments. I'll try again.AGar wrote:I don't follow this at all - it's completely incoherent. If clarified, I might be able to respond to it, but right now, it's all garbled.
I don't think I made this clear - ekiM was the second to address the "lack of proficiency" card, after Zorblag had noted it, and it looked like he was looking for an easy reason to make something. Also, I got voted for unvoting my RVS vote. Like I said, I still don't really have any reason to suspect PZ right now. It's no big surprise to me how he's going about day 1. As for the last part, I really wasn't sure on what my read on ekiM was when I unvoted, and I'm not going to throw a vote on someone for the hell of it.Ojanen wrote: Your reason for voting ekiM was this:
Mike accused you of this:AGar wrote:Then he comes back and accuses me of playing the newbie card. Now it would be one thing if I said something like "I don't get how this works" and multiple people had called me out on that. Instead, I said "I'm out of my league" and the only other person to mention this was Zorblag. This really perked me up.
I do not understand your thought process. There is no meaningful difference in playing a lack of proficiency card or playing a lack of experience card. I do not understand what is the relevance of multiple people calling or not calling you out. I also felt your deliberate unvote and rhetoric of really thinking someone is scummy but excusing yourself from taking a firm stance was somewhat scummy.ekiM wrote:AGar wrote:I really feel like ekiM is reaching on Scien here, but I'm not sure. I'm way out of my league in this game Razz
Do not like. Don't try and play the newbie card in this game.AGar wrote: Oh also, since we've left RVS and I have no reason to really suspect Papa Zito right now:
Unvote
The style of reaction - the using the me playing the "newbie card" reasoning and unvoting to vote me - is why I found it voteworthy. Somewhat reactionary, but moreso because of how he did it than what he did.Ojanen wrote: The rest of your reasons for voting Mike were exactly the same ones you felt were not worthy of a vote rather than a fence-sit earlier - reaching on Scien. This isolates the reason for your vote completely to a reaction for Mike suspecting you.
I want you to explain the thought process to me.
That's me. How can I help you?[/quote]AGar wrote:I'm going to wait until ekiM's replacement before really doing much more, because that's where my first suspicion lies.
I'm just curious on thoughts on the game - that was lacking from ekiM, which is what helps me establish my reads.
If people want to wonder about my meta, they can read this and use it as they will, if not, skip it. My playstyle is all kinds of awful. Very reactionary, OMGUS-y, and aggressive. People usually find me scummy. It's how they go about doing it that I make my reads on them. There are flaws to my gameplay which I usually defend, then there are people who make the reaches whom I usually find to be scum.Ski mask? Check! Sawed off? Check! Guilty conscience, fear of death? Check! Check! Check!
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I'll also be V/LA for the weekend, have to run a lock-in event on campus and it's taking all my time up.Ski mask? Check! Sawed off? Check! Guilty conscience, fear of death? Check! Check! Check!
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No.
oDDin, I don't like that vote.
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Care to elaborate?[/quote]AGar wrote:oDDin, I don't like that vote.
OMGUS. Seemingly empty vote to start off a day. Skewed viewpoints. Just to name a few.
I really need to give this game a serious re-read, but you guys aren't like newbies and actually post mountains. Gonna need to do a re-read tomorrow. Serves me right for signing up for a non-newbie game. :pSki mask? Check! Sawed off? Check! Guilty conscience, fear of death? Check! Check! Check!
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Long read is over. Whew. 19 pages later, my brain is toast.
Three major points for me:
1. ODDin rubs me the wrong way. A lot of things stuck out to me, convincing me I need to iso him tomorrow during my office hour. But I generally dislike his play and cases.
2. Zorblag, you're on my top 2 right now. Your D1 play was epically non-committal, and seemingly cautious as well. Again, I need to iso this to get a more wholistic read on things, but I'm not liking it.
3. There should probably be way more pressure on me since I have not really contributed as much as I would personally have liked to in this game. It actually pisses me off that no one has come after me for anything yet, because I gain reads that way.
I pointed out my reasons. I also am garnering a town read in that direction (PZ) right now, so with the massive undercomprehension I had at that time of voting, it was a good decision in my eyes.VP Baltar wrote:Papa Zito's 409 is just one big wtf.
What, why? I don't see any problem with his PZ vote.AGar wrote:No.
oDDin, I don't like that vote.
Vote: oDDin
It's less of that and more of I ended up being on V/LA for the 4 days preceding the deadline. I don't intend on repeating that feat this time around.Raskol wrote:-AGar---would you say it's usual for you to park your vote all Day? Were you that sure that ekiM was scum?
WRT Scien's NK stuff - I really don't think it muddies the water if you can look at it objectively. I hate how people want to steer clear of NK analysis until "later in the game." I, for one, find it fascinating and useful. Obviously not a concrete case in itself, but definitely something that can be used, imo.
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Shit, quick EBWOP:
I left VP's comment about PZ's post #409 in for a reason.
It's not a WTF, at least in my eyes.
Pretty much boils down to one of the few times I would use meta - I understand the oddities/quirks of how PZ plays, and the post didn't set off any red bells for me.Ski mask? Check! Sawed off? Check! Guilty conscience, fear of death? Check! Check! Check!
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@Ojanen - On it's own, OMGUS is a null-tell in my book. However, with other factors, I feel itcanhint at some things.
As for the V/LA - I honestly didn't expect things to be so absorbed but the event sucked up my life for that weekend, and had I come back, my vote would have definitely moved.
The quote you want me to elaborate on - at the time ekiM was my first suspicion, and in the minimal time I had been able to devote to the game then I was only able to really concentrate on ekiM.
@Raskol - Sando. After the re-read I did the other day, Sando still struck me as off in his play-style, even knowing he was town. It just didn't seem right to me. Had I been around and active, I would've likely also made the move to hammer.
@Scien - It was based off of the fact that I felt ODDin's case was extremely flimsy and trash and I didn't like the style he went about things. It was almost completely off-the-hip at that time, as I hadn't really completely digested all of the information from day 1 but I definitely don't feel that I'm wrong in casting it right now.
The general feel of my read on ODDin is off just like I had with Sando after a re-read. I know Sando was town, but as I said, I still don't agree with him and still felt uneasy reading his posts. A lot of them seem like they generate something but in reality they just show he is hung up on little technicalities that people seem to catch him on. Very on the defense. Very edgy in his posting.Ski mask? Check! Sawed off? Check! Guilty conscience, fear of death? Check! Check! Check!
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I can't help but laugh at the style of ABR's entire post.
I guess I'll address things:
I see how you read it that way, but it was more on the fact that he tried building a case off of a flimsy belief that I was playing the newbie card when I wasn't even trying anything of the like, and had explained that.ABR wrote: Posts all fluff in the first 6 pages in the game and then gits angsty over eKim fluffin his way in a likey fashion. Omgusy on top of that, but lil hypocrisy never killed neone so I just keep that in my mind fer later.
Not the first time I've been told that my play style isn't kosher. Not the first time I've been accused either. No big deal.ABR wrote: So I'm payin extra extra attention to him in my read you see. But the rest of his play can be described as a wild mess that fails to meet my standards of pro-town play.
Eh, not really meant to be a big pro-town post, just a bit more reaction posting.ABR wrote: Post 308 looks like more of what others have pointed out at nub card pointin, scummy playstyle coverin and little actual helpin.
I invent words a lot, I enjoy it. Might as well get used to it.ABR wrote: 452 is nice, AGar inventin words like "undercomprehension" to describe his allegedly weaksauce readin ability, but he accuses Zorblag and ODD(in) which is a fresh departure from his ekim tunnelin strategy to this point.
I've also further explained I was MIA for a number of meatworld days on D1 and missed a lot of big developments. Hence the departure from the ekiM/Charlatan tunneling.
Yes and no. Yes on the fact that I haven't been able to put forth as much as I would have liked to in this game. No to any other implications I'm picking up on.ABR wrote:AGAR in 452 wrote: 3. There should probably be way more pressure on me since I have not really contributed as much as I would personally have liked to in this game. It actually pisses me off that no one has come after me for anything yet, because I gain reads that way.
Conscience gettin guilty I see. Yeeea not trustin you much.
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w00t got my quote tags right. Took long enough.Ski mask? Check! Sawed off? Check! Guilty conscience, fear of death? Check! Check! Check!
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OMGUS I find to be a null-tell on it's own. Meaning, if ALL I see from someone is OMGUS, I generally move on with life. I do tend to OMGUS a lot, which is why I personally find it as a null-tell alone. Sometimes, though, with other information, it can paint a picture.Ojanen wrote:
Not understanding you here actually. I asked because you said earlier you OMGUS all the time and then voted ODDin becauseAGar wrote:@Ojanen - On it's own, OMGUS is a null-tell in my book. However, with other factors, I feel it can hint at some things.
Later explainedAGar wrote:OMGUS. Seemingly empty vote to start off a day. Skewed viewpoints. Just to name a few.
I really need to give this game a serious re-read, but you guys aren't like newbies and actually post mountains. Gonna need to do a re-read tomorrow. Serves me right for signing up for a non-newbie game. :p
You had "undercomprehension", which means you didn't remember why ODDin was voting PZ or what?AGar wrote:I pointed out my reasons. I also am garnering a town read in that direction (PZ) right now, so with the massive undercomprehension I had at that time of voting, it was a good decision in my eyes.
What do you mean by the seeming emptiness of the vote?
I'm having a hard time isolating the rest of the reasons here besides the OMGUS that you think is null.
"Undercomprehension" meant I hadn't fully read the thread more than at face value. At that point in time, I had read the thread enough to have a general idea of what went on and what was going on. But before the re-read, I hadn't poked in depth at things due to general time constraints.
The perceived emptiness was pointing at the fact that I felt ODDin's case to be bullshit and a terrible excuse to vote at PZ.Ski mask? Check! Sawed off? Check! Guilty conscience, fear of death? Check! Check! Check!
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Honest to god? I was skimming through D1. I had it rough right before and after thanksgiving and as I've said, didn't put my all into the game really. So I wasn't really catching onto the case.Ojanen wrote:
Did you always feel this way? Was there a reason you didn't mention it D1 when they started attacking each other?AGar wrote:The perceived emptiness was pointing at the fact that I felt ODDin's case to be bullshit and a terrible excuse to vote at PZ.Ski mask? Check! Sawed off? Check! Guilty conscience, fear of death? Check! Check! Check!
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For the first part - I don't intend on using it as a "way out", per se. But it's what I was doing, so I will use it to back things up.charlatan wrote:
"I was skimming" should not be a way out.ODDin wrote:I want to reread AGar, but as I've said above, I'm not sure when I'll manage to do that. The problem is, him saying "I was skimming through D1" negates many possible arguments.
AGar, to verify, you have caught up fully now, yes?
For the second. Yes.
Also, I just got a major shift from that last post of Troll's. I need a new number two on my list. Right now I stand alone with ODDin as my numero uno.Ski mask? Check! Sawed off? Check! Guilty conscience, fear of death? Check! Check! Check!
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@ODDin - had I been here yesterday, I would've been suspicious of you. Not enough to vote, because Sando was waving scumflags all over the place in my book, but enough to come into today suspicious of you.Ski mask? Check! Sawed off? Check! Guilty conscience, fear of death? Check! Check! Check!
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Understandable that you doubt me, I would too. I'm aware that all of my posts are going to be under major scrutiny now.ODDin wrote:
That's what you say.AGar wrote:@ODDin - had I been here yesterday, I would've been suspicious of you. Not enough to vote, because Sando was waving scumflags all over the place in my book, but enough to come into today suspicious of you.Ski mask? Check! Sawed off? Check! Guilty conscience, fear of death? Check! Check! Check!
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We've played a couple games together, both times PZ has nailed my role by D1's end. Just didn't manage to convince others the first time 'round.crypto wrote:
Please expand.Papa Zito wrote:I feel like I can read AGar at this point in my career...
Unvote: AGar. Vote: Zorblag.Ski mask? Check! Sawed off? Check! Guilty conscience, fear of death? Check! Check! Check!
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LOL.
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This highlights the bulk of what I want to address: how are you so sure that a scum player was on the wagon AND not on the wagon? How can you be sure that all three weren't on it, or that any of the three were? Got extra info for us?crypto wrote:ODDin, what are your reads on AGar and VP Baltar?
It's not about that. I trust my ability to hit one goon out of a pool of three players a lot more than my ability to hit one or two goons out of a pool of six or seven players.ODDin wrote:It has no mathematical basis (the chances to hit scum randomly in each group are equal at best)
@Troll: I didn't have a number two to fill the slot, no.
I do now. Crypto.
His general attitude since coming in has really rubbed me the wrong way. The information he is so confident in having just shouldn't be there. His assurances that scum are amongst myself, ODDin and VP isn't something I think he'd be so confident in without information.
I'm probably going to be lynched tomorrow, I guess that's not going to change. That's fine. I haven't played the best game, and it's a pretty fair reasoning to lynch me.
Just take time to make it to the deadline before hammering so a gameplan can be figured out for tomorrow.Ski mask? Check! Sawed off? Check! Guilty conscience, fear of death? Check! Check! Check!
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Yep.crypto wrote:
Omgosh, crypto, you suck so much!AGar wrote:I do now. Crypto.
Yep. I'm trying to construe you that way. Damn right. Because it looks that way.crypto wrote:
*bangs face on keyboard till forehead splits* I posted my source of info. It's experiential. You're trying to construe it as me making an incredibly stupid scum slip, and that premise is incredibly ... well, stupid.The information he is so confident in having just shouldn't be there. His assurances that scum are amongst myself, ODDin and VP isn't something I think he'd be so confident in without information.
Uh, no. I was questioning your information and how you were so sure. Nice try though.crypto wrote:
Oh, so you thinkThis highlights the bulk of what I want to address: how are you so sure that a scum player was on the wagon AND not on the wagon? How can you be sure that all three weren't on it, or that any of the three were? Got extra info for us?allscum were either on or off the Sando wagon?Ski mask? Check! Sawed off? Check! Guilty conscience, fear of death? Check! Check! Check!
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Because I don't "agree" with you. I can't say whether they were all on or off. I don't know. I haven't been able to figure it out yet.crypto wrote:
Go back and read. I was very clear about why I think what I think.Yep. I'm trying to construe you that way. Damn right. Because it looks that way.
Again, go back and read. But if you agree with me that all three scum weren't either on or off the wagon, then why is it even a problem for you?Uh, no. I was questioning your information and how you were so sure. Nice try though.Ski mask? Check! Sawed off? Check! Guilty conscience, fear of death? Check! Check! Check!
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The wagon on me is, for the most part, based off of (from what I can tell) my inactivity day 1. I've made my points on that, it's not going to change the people.Ojanen wrote:
Where's the guy who supposedly strives under pressure, where's the reads and reactions t your wagon?AGar early D2 wrote:3. There should probably be way more pressure on me since I have not really contributed as much as I would personally have liked to in this game. It actually pisses me off that no one has come after me for anything yet, because I gain reads that way.
There's a dissonance here to him currently flapping around somewhat phlegmatically, hate the defeatism.
If he's scum, he's taking it too peacefully, I would guess some bussing to have taken effect already in that case.
If you're town, fight dammit, get content out.
These are the cases that I've found on me.
Crypto - voting me because of "scummy behavior" that he has yet to point out and because I wasn't on the Sando wagon.
VP - Because I'm tunneling, devoid of scumhunting ideas and overly lost on D1.
ABR - Because I failed to meet his standard of pro-town play. That's all I managed to glean from his case.
Troll - I'm not interacting with people enough.
So really, of those 4 cases, one is really non-existent (Crypto), two are for my play on D1 (ABR/VP), and one is because I don't have enough suspects (Troll).
I can make a response to one, being Troll's.
I'm trying to stick to a semi-minimalist approach this game because it's a bigger one than I'm used to on MS, with a lot better players. I've played solely in Newbie Games up to this point, so it's a bit easier to catch people who stick out obviously in them. I'm not necessarily ignoring people, but I'm not trying to get fully focused on everyone at once here, because each player has a lot better play than what I'm used to. I don't want to overextend my attention to too many people and botch something because of it, I'd much rather keep my approach to a few players and not get too involved in confusing myself with things.
That wasn't my response to the vote, heh. That was just to his "One of the three who weren't on the wagon should be lynched" theory.Ojanen wrote:570 was provoked btw by the fact that I was expecting severely more as reactions and conclusions when the initial reactions to the votes were of this typeAGar to crypto voting him wrote:LOL.
That is all for now.Ski mask? Check! Sawed off? Check! Guilty conscience, fear of death? Check! Check! Check!
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VP - The defeatism last time was a little different - I felt like you guys were missing things ridiculously obvious. This time I just can't argue the cases. And even if I did post a case right now, it'd be flailing.Ski mask? Check! Sawed off? Check! Guilty conscience, fear of death? Check! Check! Check!
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I hate to be the kill-joy but I'm gonna /out for the next game.
This game I thought was going to start later than it did and I had taken on 4 NGs plus my regular life commitments right around when this started. I'm massively burnt out and just waiting for my last game I'm in to either kill me or end, whichever comes first then I'm gonna take like a month - two month break from mafia and evaluate my play. I've gotten worse as time went on.Ski mask? Check! Sawed off? Check! Guilty conscience, fear of death? Check! Check! Check!
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On second thought, if there's room for one more, I'll /in. I'm going to be bored as hell over my break anyways. I left my other computer (and thus, StarCraft) in my apartment in Connecticut for break.
Setup doesn't matter to me, nothing is more broken than one of the games I'm watching develop on another site right now.Ski mask? Check! Sawed off? Check! Guilty conscience, fear of death? Check! Check! Check!
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