Mafia 108 - Mafia With The Quickness - over!

[Maemuki]

Sorry I'm late, I was doing a work. Stupid Natural Sciences teacher. I already had a 100%, what more do you want? [/rant]

Anyway.

Vote: Annachie

, 'cause you haven't posted yet. Lurker.

@ Netp, why is RQS > RVS?

[Maemuki]

Ninja'd. And I misspelled Neto, sorry. Let me get some coffee. I'm pretty sure I didn't get misspelled right, too.

[Maemuki]

The game started an hour ago. Why are you apologizing? And why restate a question already asked?

It's on my nature, I apologise for being 5 minutes late. So?

And that's because I didn't see SK's post.

[Maemuki]

I'm getting better. Page 2 and I have 4 pretty solid reads. Neto and Mae as scum. Haylen and Saint as town.

*claps slowly* Way to go - Saint is voting your town read and Haylen is voting with you. Bravo, bravo.

[Maemuki]

plus the fact that Maemuki apologized in her first post.

It's on my nature, I apologise for being 5 minutes late. So?

[Maemuki]

Mae, come on MSN now, I miss you Sad

*touched* You...miss me? I'm going to cry. *cries*

Ok I'm all better now carry on.

This is starting to feel like a Marathon game lol. I kinda like it.

QFT.

[Maemuki]

Did you feel like you were expected to be here for the game's start? If so, why?

Well yeah. I'm known to be a lurker - if you didn't know that, you do now. I talked to Incog and he let me in as long as I didn't lurk. I thought it would be better if I was here for the start because of that.

[Maemuki]

Sarcasm against your attacker is noted.

Don't worry, there's plenty more from where that came from. I might or might now use it though.

Not gonna lie, that's a weird thing to expect.

*nods* It is. But since Incog said so, I thought it would be better if I was on the safe side. But that's beside the point. Carry on!

[Maemuki]

She's mentioned that in every game I've played with her in, I think, so I don't think its anything beyond a disclaimer for her meta.

Actually people mention it before I do, or I need to bring it up for some reason. I wish I could go through a game without someone, anyone mentioning it.

Oh yay dice rolls, what do the numbers on the dice mean, Glork? Why did you use dice?

[Maemuki]

Wait, did Incog say to be around for the start or was it your own idea?

My idea.

I'm sure you can figure it out if you bother to read and think.

What, Netopalis and Bogre?

[Maemuki]

Probably because every time I look at a post, there's 20 more.

And not even the entire player list has

posted

.

[Maemuki]

It's heavy on sarcasm...

There's plenty more of that. Want?

and possibly even gloating.

Actually, that's just the sarcasm. You're just interpreting it wrongly. You would think someone that had a town read would protect said town read no?

[Maemuki]

@ kmd, why would you like having people following you on your reads...if you weren't sure of them?

[Maemuki]

I'm more sure of my reads than I am of anyone else's. Well, more sure that they are genuine anyway.

Figures. Anyway. Would be leading the town a scumtell, kmd? Would be mislynching a person because you said so helpful for your (I'm assuming here) town win condition?

[Maemuki]

Leading the town isn't a tell one way or the other. It's a playstyle (or maybe personality trait, but meh).

Maybe it is. I'll keep an eye on this though.

Unvote, Vote Netlava

Oh hai reasonless vote! Why?

[Maemuki]

Voting without reason, and voting without giving a reason aren't exactly the same thing.

Good point.

SaintKerrigan has made 8 posts.

Dear Neto,

the game started on 18:00 (my time, GMT). It's 22:10 now.
Okaaaaay. This makes complete sense. Especially because some people didn't post yet!

Oh and RVS's over, vote goes boom.

Unvote

[Maemuki]

Neto, my defense was weird? No, not on that context. And go compare me to some of the other players on the game, then talk to me again.

The cautious scum is cautious.

I disagree. Voting for the sake of voting is scummier imo.

[Maemuki]

Do you think my vote was random?

How does "for poops and giggles" grab you?

I know that my name isn't SK, but ummm, yes.

[Maemuki]

and, consequently, needs to post more substantial content

Mmmm, I see. What do you want me to talk about?

[Maemuki]

I can provide you with a list of questions to respond to, if you'd like.

Please.

[Maemuki]

Yeah, I find gloating to be a pretty good tell, scum bragging to town and such. In her case it's not very clear though, but the post doesn't really give me a good feeling.

Please point out the gloating part, please. Gloating for someone...

suspecting me?

I just can't see it.

Glork, I'm just iso'ing some people before I hand in the exam, don't worry.

[Maemuki]

Possible gloating is in the way you hit KMD for his failure to keep SK from voting one of his town reads.

Ahm, no. It's closely related to that, but it isn't that. If KMD thinks that Haylen is town, and SK was voting for Haylen, I couldn't see how he thought that they were both town. It confused me, therefore I replied on that sarcastic way. Understood?

[Maemuki]

Eh? Must one of them be scum if they are voting for each other? I'm not sure what's confusing about that.

Ok, maybe I didn't word that well. Why wouldn't KMD protect his town read, assuming his strongest read was Haylen's?

Also might have been sarcasm on the fact that he suspected me thrown into that mix, I don't know.

[Maemuki]

What are you talking about? I only voted for Haylen once, and that was a joke vote.

Ohhh, is that so? Sorry then. Guess I was just a bit bitter for being suspected.

[Maemuki]

3) Useless. PBPA's are quite sucky, and I've only used them once. As scum. See the connection? Slight suspicion, but not enough for a vote.
4) Thankfully no. I suck as scum.
5) Quite good, actually. You have been active, participated in the discussion, and scumhunted. Guess what's my opinion of you, really.
6) Well, I explained it. So why should I feel weirded out?
7) It wasn't.
8) It's not like I'm voting as well, so I can't really say. Maybe they're just confused. It's only a scumtell if they already look quite scummy, in my opinion.
9) It would be Bogre and Haylen, but Haylen is already making a post, so it's Bogre and Gayle. Maybe Elli as well.
10) Wait, was there a Night 0 and I didn't notice? Good to know.

I'll answer 1, 2 and explain the others better when I'm back, about an hour from now. Bye!

[Maemuki]

Haylentells are scumtells. No exceptions.

[link=http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 79#1948979]No, they are not.[/link] Anyway, you'll have to post a lot more than that. Please answer Glork's questions. Aside from the kmd one of course.

[Maemuki]

Oooops. Stupid BBcode tag and me making stuff from memory.

Here. >.<

[Maemuki]

Good lord, it's only 12 pages. You should be able to finish it in like, 40 minutes? And that's for super slow readers.

It's not like there are wall-posts. Execpt for Hayl of course.

That statement was not serious.

Serious it up!

@ Hayl, after I played with BM I never found tunneling scummy. :<

It is likely that the scum will quicklynch.

It would be actually good for us. A townie would die, and that's bad, sure, but on the other hand

we would find exactly who the scum are

.

Until Gayle posts something, he's my prime suspect. If he is scum, he's scum with Netopalis.

[Maemuki]

Can't you tell I've switched to condescending and concise mode?

Uhm, no.

In order to make that easier, I've spent the last few minutes making a program to help me (seriously).

...ok I didn't see

that

one coming, I admit. Couldn't you use word? Notepad?

[Maemuki]

On that note, I would like to inform you that I now have 150 pages of meta from people i've plaed with and some people that i havent, stored on my computer Very Happy

I want to see mine. <3

The program is done now, though.

I would take 10 months to do something like that. Yes, I suck at coding, go me whoo.

[Maemuki]

I'll start from the bottom then. Italics is elaboration.

9) It would be Bogre and Haylen, but Haylen is already making a post, so it's Bogre and Gayle. Maybe Elli as well.

I don't think this post needs more elaboration. Add camn to the list. Camn actually has posts larger than a couple lines, but Bogre's, Elli's and Gayle's are quite short. Like...mine's. >.< OH AND NETLAVA, HOW COULD I FORGET NETLAVA

8) It's not like I'm voting as well, so I can't really say. Maybe they're just confused. It's only a scumtell if they already look quite scummy, in my opinion.

7) It wasn't.

6) Well, I explained it. So why should I feel weirded out?

5) Quite good, actually. You have been active, participated in the discussion, and scumhunted. Guess what's my opinion of you, really.

I still mantain my position.

4) Thankfully no. I suck as scum.

3) Useless. PBPA's are quite sucky, and I've only used them once. As scum. See the connection? Slight suspicion, but not enough for a vote.

I should elaborate on this, shouldn't I? Well, from post 0 to post whatever, I don't believe I remember a single sentence aside from Vote: insertnamehere. And no, "Don't like Neto" is not enough reason. Other people have stated their reasons...but you haven't, and you have switched from Neto to Gayle, to Neto again. Why is that, Elli?

2) Mmmmm. Neto/Gayle. He only mentioned Gayle twice, one in a positive (? I guess) light, the other, and I'm quoting here "Haylen and Gayle points". Yeah, only once Gayle as an actual player. Says camn doesn't post much, but never mentions Gayle. Geez I do wonder why.

1) Eeeeehmm.... I don't really know. As I said above, Neto and Gayle seem pretty closely connected, but saying that before flips is bad. I'll reread everyone in iso to tell you that...but especially netopalis.

---

Sounds rather role-fishy to me.

You're at L-2 on a super swift game. Mmmm, no, not role-fishing.

@ Haylen, I'm looking foward to the second part of your post BECAUSE I WASN'T ON THE FIRST ONE *cries*

[Maemuki]

Mr. Netopalis said that I needed to elaborate more so I did.

Now please do a PBPA on me. There are 13 players, you spoke about 11, 1 of them is you, I am the only one you ignored. :<

[Maemuki]

As should Nikanor. Actually, he hasnt even posted yet!

Unvote, vote Nikanor

He's not on the game, Haylen~

I didn't ignore you, i'm just used to there being only 12 players in a game at the most, so my brain cut off the person last on the player list Sad

THEN GO DO IT NOW *gets chocolate* I'll give you smarties~

[Maemuki]

I think we all are drowning on posts.

And good night.

[Maemuki]

Yay for tunneling, Netlava! And that's not content imo. Post more. What do you think about other players?

[Maemuki]

Oh, and Netlava, that fact can be explained by this:

Haylen's the only one I have been playing with since the beginning. Therefore, I wanted to see if I improved or not.

And Haylen's not stupid enough to completely forget about a player as scum. I know it, I played with her as scum at least three times.

[Maemuki]

Mae, question. Have you ever been scum before?

Let me see...Once...Twice...nah, don't count that one. And there was another one.

Two. I prefer to imagine that one of them does not exist.

The last 5 pages just took me around 45 minutes.

Some people read faster, others read slower, so?

[Maemuki]

Maemuki: What is your opinion on Netopalis? Scum? Town? Why? On a side note, got any cookies? Very Happy

...I...don't really know...he's quite hard to read imo. I'll return to this when I'm a bit less sleepy. But his refusal to claim at L-2 on a speed game is a bit weird-ish.

And no, no cookies this time. Want donuts?

[Maemuki]

Yes. Cookies = scum. >:(

Oh is that so SK? Why do you find Neto townish? (I assuming you meant this. if not, correct me)

[Maemuki]

I don't find netopalis scummy currently.

Good to know! Any thoughts on the remaining 10 players?

[Maemuki]

Shh.... baby steps. Baby steps.

Fiiine. What's your opinion on one player that is not me, Neto or yourself?

[Maemuki]

More importantly, what are your thoughts on who is scum?

If I say "you until you answer my question", will you be mad?

[Maemuki]

My thoughts on other players? Some people I think are pro-town, some I have a neutral read on, and a couple of others that I'm a bit suspicious of.

Who?

Vote: Netlava

That's who I'm suspicious of!

...Commuter? Uh. I need some hours to think.

[Maemuki]

Oh, and I'm probrably not going to be able to post until the tommorrow evening due to personal reasons. Sorry for the inconvinience.

[Maemuki]

I do realize that Net won't be lynched today. Shame.

I'm going to politely ignore your vote as much as you are ignoring mine.

Also Neto's theory is bullshit. Let me think about it for a second.

[Maemuki]

*looks at the neto bandwagon* because of that, maybe.

[Maemuki]

Tomorrow is deadline. Netopalis has the most votes anyway, so you will get your way if you just wait. There is no reason to lynch today.

Please tellme that I wasn't the only one to find gayle's post weird.

[Maemuki]

Tomorrow is deadline. Netopalis has the most votes anyway, so you will get your way if you just wait. There is no reason to lynch today.

Scum with Neto ^^^

QFT

[Maemuki]

Tomorrow is deadline. Netopalis has the most votes anyway, so you will get your way if you just wait. There is no reason to lynch today.

Scum with Neto ^^^

QFT

Why aren't you voting Neto?

I find Net scummier.

[Maemuki]

Net, meet my gut feelings! But you deserve my vote more. Much more. 

[Maemuki]

Camn, Haylen, quick! Pretend to be a male so they won't discover our identity!

Anyway <3 yos.

Gogo Netty lynch! <3

[Maemuki]

Go go, Pokemon! The joke will only be understood by those who know my newest career choice.

Which new career choice?

[Maemuki]

Please don't tell me that you've decided to become a professional breeder. Of anything.

lol

I have now officially switched genders with SK. :D

[Maemuki]

Nope. I'm gonna be a pokemon MASTER! :D

BUT I'M THE ONE WITH THE FREAKING POKÉMON REFERENCE

[Maemuki]

Please don't tell me that you've decided to become a professional breeder. Of anything.

lol

I have now officially switched genders with SK. :D

It must be LOVE!!! :lol:

LESBIAN LOVE~ <33

[Maemuki]

Please don't tell me that you've decided to become a professional breeder. Of anything.

lol

I have now officially switched genders with SK. :D

It must be LOVE!!! :lol:

LESBIAN LOVE~ <33

:shock: ...oh... 8-)

*extemely unfitting music plays*

[Maemuki]

Back on a serious note, I really want Gayle to answer my questions before deadline. If he dosn't, I'll be unhappy with him.

I hope that by "unhappy" you mean "lynch him tomorrow".

[Maemuki]

No! Give me back my penis!

Umm...but...I don't have it anymore. :(

On a more serious note, do we have to get serious now? Because I always feel like gettin' drunk after a killin'.

I don't want to get drunk, I could get on jail. :<

And no unless Netty or Gayle show up.

[Maemuki]

Maemuki: If lava flips scum, who do you think his buddies would be? If he's town, who would you suspect then?

Uh, nobody! He didn't even put reads on other people. And then he attacked me for doing the same thing. I love hypocrites. Quoting,

"Oh right, when I don't give my reads on someone, that's pure scumminess. But when you do it, it's like you're Mother frigging Theresa." (I don't even know if this is the quote, but it's something like this. Modified to fit the situation.)

Gayle. Useless.

[Maemuki]

No. Anyone that can guess from where that quote is from gets a donut!

(also that's what I thought, not what Netty thought)

[Maemuki]

Can't wait for Netlava to flip protown so I can destroy the people who wagoned him to death. Smile

i didn't wagon I was the original voter.

[Maemuki]

Lol. Actually, I was making sure I said that because if Lava does flip scum, I'm probably about to get nightkilled here.

Hey, I was the first voter!

[Maemuki]

Wait. Bogre is on this freaking game?

Vote: Bogre

until he does something useful.

Bogre is on this game...bogre is on this game...must not forget...

I love Glork's post and I'll reread the game so I can see if I agree with all of it. I didn't like this part though:

I don't think she's clever enough to try to champion mislynch responsibility before it happens, so she probably honestly thought she had caught scum.

Do you think I'm dumb?

[Maemuki]

Come on people, give him the death he deserves.

You do realize we had a super-duper-fast wagon on Netty and he got lynched, right? Anything to say about that?

[Maemuki]

CAN EVERYONE WHO VOTED FOR NET TELL MY WHY THEY DID SO???

LURKING AND HYPOCRISY!

I don't think you're mafia-savvy.

I wish there was an emoticon for my face right now.

[Maemuki]

Holy farklesticks, half an hour and we've already got a whole page of stuff.

This only proves that we have a crap-load of time on our hands. Yay.

There's no way all those votes are town.

Uhhhh, so, who isn't town?

[Maemuki]

So, you're pretty much voting for the person that started the bandwagon. Without giving second reasons.

Good to know these votes have no reasoning whatsoever Hayl.

[Maemuki]

Oh heeeeey, what do you think about the wagon?

What, me? Well, I liked it because I was almost sure he was scum. Then he flipped town and I headdesked. Seriously, I was the first voter, I think my opinions on the wagon are pretty obvious.

[Maemuki]

Hey, Mae! This is also why I'm voting him!

Hey, Haylen, YOU SWTICHED VOTES ON 7 MINUTES! I don't really think you believe on your vote for Yos2! Why?

[Maemuki]

I got told that Yos can't be lynched. If he isn't NK'd, i tend to presume he's scum. But my accusations on Neto are more concrete, hence the switch ^.^

...then you voted for Yos2 because? You see, I don't think Incog will put an Unlynchable Townie on this setup.

[Maemuki]

Yos cant be lynched cause he's a good townie.

Everyone can be lynched, Haylen. If he wasn't killed, camn must have shown signs of power-roleness. I agree with the good townie, but switching your vote because of that only proves that your vote for Yos2 had no reasoning whatsoever.

[Maemuki]

You also can't make cases, talk generally, claim town or play scrabble. They're all scumtells.

Yay for joke posts when you have perfectly good questions to answer!

[Maemuki]

I don't like Zach's subtle attack on arguably the most pro-town player in this game (Maemuki). At least the most pro-town player on the Netlava wagon (well, besides me, but I have to say that ;) ).

Not subtle at all. I don't agree with your assessment of Mae.

If you attack a player, you generally don't think he/she/it is pro-town.

[Maemuki]

Unless you're scum, in which case, you do.

On that case, you pretend that you don't think he/she/it is pro-town.

What, exactly, has he contributed? Why do you think you haven't? There are about 4 players who fluffed a lot more than they've looked critically into things, can you guess which ones I think have?

you should include yourself on that list~

[Maemuki]

Do you have ground for that statement, Maemuki?

I'll answer your question with a question: Have you done anything on this game? Do you have a single memorable post?

Oh, and by the way, I even forgot you were in the game. That's a pretty bad sign right there.

[Maemuki]

It is a bad sign, a sign of how little attention you're paying this game.

You have posted 24 times. On a 722 post game that moves on super-speed. I think my forgetfulness is justified.

4.) (And this involves you) I referenced your claim to be a lurker as fighting against your meta. This is perhaps the strangest that you claim to 'not remember', since I was talking about you specifically and similar to what we're discussing now.

Wait, you never said that! You said that it was a disclaimer against my meta! HOW IS THAT MEMORABLE, PEOPLE?

And no I don't remember any of the others without rereading.

[Maemuki]

I've just reread the first 7 pages, and found about 2 sentences of questions to KMD that can be considered content. In about 12 posts.

So...yeah, fluff...yup.

Please point out on which way you are contribuiting more than me.

Please.

[Maemuki]

Better yet - you post questions and I have to agree with that. But what good are questions without conclusions? What I mean is that while you ask questions, you never care about them again. That's not how question asking is supposed to work imo. If you have another opinion, please state it.

[Maemuki]

*shrug* I'd suggest you reread yourself and find out exactly how much you haven't posted in so many words.

I'd suggest you reread yourself and find out exactly how many answers to your questions you have elaborated on. Question asking without looking for answers to the questions is not pro-town. It's very anti-town actually.

That's all.

[Maemuki]

Well, I'm afraid I can't do much about the lighthearted part. What can I do to change my personality? I can't stay quiet for 5 minutes without laughing.

Agreed. I'm glad you came here to post your conclusions, that's what the vote was for. And this discussion is too distracting for the town and we'll be repeating the same things over and over.

Unvote

Now to real scum business. Haylen. Why did you suddently change your vote from Yos to Neto? If you were so sure on your Neto scum read, why didn't you vote for him in the first place?

[Maemuki]

Cause I have more evidence on Neto. Because i wanted to pressure Yos.

Wait. Yos didn't post between your vote and your unvote. That's not a pressure vote.

Haylen, I really feel like voting for you if you continue to contradict yourself.

[Maemuki]

*headdesk*

Haylen. PRESSURE VOTES ARE TO SEE HOW PEOPLE REACT TO PRESSURE, YOS DIDN'T POST ON THE TIME WHERE YOU UNVOTED THEREFORE MAKING YOUR VOTE ON

YOSARIAN2

COMPLETELY REASONLESS!

UNDERSTOOD?

God, I have to learn how to manage my anger.

[Maemuki]

Hi Hayl! Did your vote on

Yos2

have any reasoning besides "pressuring"?

*headdesk* I have an headache. And I'm kind of busy. And tired and full of homework.

Besides, there's not a single interesting thing to talk about.

[Maemuki]

Who do you think is most likely to be scum, why do you think that, and why aren't you voting for that player?

Haylen, scumbuddies with Neto. + another player that I still need to think.

She started to vote for Yos (for no apparent reason), but then voted for Neto after SK's post. Weird? Hell yeah.

I usually don't vote for people, Glork. I'm not sure which one to lynch, Haylen or Neto. I can lynch either one, really.

[Maemuki]

I, personally, wouldn't like a Haylenlynch.

I fail to see how that answers my question but whatever.

[Maemuki]

Not really. Netoo~ can you just say if you're scum or not? Pleeease? I promise I won't lyn

n

ch you for that!

[Maemuki]

...
...
...
I would be so wrong if I said that I saw this one coming. I did not.

Either way, let's lynch Hayl today!

Vote: Haylen

[Maemuki]

I said that it was an Neto/Haylen/someone else I believe, SK.

Haylen, you have been asked questions, you ignored them, you haven't contributed since D1. Any questions?

[Maemuki]

I will answer the questions if they are put forward to me now.

Why was your vote on Yos2 a pressure vote if he didn't post between your vote and your unvote? That's not how pressure works, is it?

Besides, why have you been defleting that question for pretty much the entirety of D2?

[Maemuki]

Nope, except for that whole weird 'you cant lynch Yos' thing. I wanted to try it out.

I thought so. Moar votes on Haylen plz.

[Maemuki]

I dont think we should lynch Haylen.

Best defense ever.

[Maemuki]

@ Maemuki: Aye, but you didn't state as such until the latter part of Day 2, and for much of the game you avoided commenting on the Netopalis debate. It makes me suspicious.

Actually, I believe that on Glork's questions I said that Neto/Gayle was the most likely scumteam. I was wrong on Gayle, so~?

I have to agree with you that a pressure vote that is removed before the person being pressured responds isn't a pressure vote. And notice how Haylen continually threw up her PBPA when asked for reasons why she suspected Neto? That also makes me suspicious.

Yes that post was kind of hard to miss.

[Maemuki]

you wouldnt believe me anyway. lol.

(slaps forehead)

I wish I had that double facepalm motivational poster.

I'm starting to get a thought that Yos and Mae are scum with Neto...

I'm starting to think that you are oppurtunistic scum...

[Maemuki]

I'm starting to think that you are oppurtunistic scum...

That's funny. I make a mere mention that you and Yos could be scum and look what happens. I get an OMGUS reaction.

Duly noted.

Not OMGUS. You said that I was the towniest player on the game.

Now I'm the scummiest. Dude, what the hell? Oppurtunism ftw?

[Maemuki]

I dont think we should lynch Haylen.

Best defense ever.

I beg to differ.

This:

fuck off. It's 3am and I cant see my keyboard.

Im going to bed.

was my best defence ever.

Good point.

Actually, Haylen jumps on Neto early on in the game. I don't think a scum team would come out of the gate with an attack on their partner. Not until they get a feel for how town's going to react. I'm starting to feel better about Haylen now.

I'm starting to feel really confortable with a SK/Hayl pair. Quickest change of heart ever.

[Maemuki]

....*headdesk*

Oh my hypocrisy.

Heh, about your gut feelings~ I have a feeling that they're severly hurt by a scum role PM.

[Maemuki]

Mae, Bogre. Get your votes off me now, please.

lolno. After that vote? Thanks but no thanks.

[Maemuki]

Mae and Bogre scumteam...

SK and Haylen scumteam~!

[Maemuki]

Mae and Bogre scumteam...

SK and Haylen scumteam~!

I disagree with this evaluation.

It's not like I agree with you on 50% of the things you say so we're even.

I thought we were in love... Crying or Very sad

Alas, our love is finished! I can't date a guy from the Mafia! Get realistic! :<

[Maemuki]

Also, I wouldn't let you date at your age, Mae :p

I never knew you were my mother! :O

[Maemuki]

Kerri, what posts made you think that Hayl is pro-town? What's your opinion on Bogre?

I think that with that vote, Bogre was bussing, so the scumteam is either SK/Hayl or SK/Bogre. Either one, really. Since Hayl has done nothing since D1, my vote remains on her. And I want SK to answer my questions.

[Maemuki]

Hayl is protown right now because of her stance on Neto at the beginning of Day 1. My opinion on Bogre is possible scum, but I have to go back and reread him to make sure. Probably won't have time for that for awhile.

W
Wait, that post that she constantly quotes without giving any other information about Neto on D2? Perhaps you should reread D2 a bit more carefully, SK.

[Maemuki]

Eeeh...Glork?

Why do you want Bogre to claim?

[Maemuki]

Eeeh...Glork?

Why do you want Bogre to claim?

He's on about the same level as Kerri suspicion wise.

I never knew your name was Glork!

[Maemuki]

Addendum: I'm beginning to wonder if

both

(if there is in fact two) of the remaining scum were on the Neto wagon. This insight comes from having played Mini 892, where one scum played somewhat similarly to Netopalis (made a move that seemed innocuous to some and scummy to others), and both of his partners bussed him to hell. Scum would've gotten away with it too, but one screwed up in a massclaim which led to lynching both the remaining scum.

Good job at suspecting everyone without pointing towards a specific person.

[Maemuki]

God, make up your mind SK.

[Maemuki]

God, make up your mind SK.

I'm trying, dammit! Unfortunately, I'm not scum, so I don't know who's innocent and who's not. :P

Well, you could be lying.

Just a thought~

[Maemuki]

God, make up your mind SK.

I'm trying, dammit! Unfortunately, I'm not scum, so I don't know who's innocent and who's not. :P

Well, you could be lying.

Just a thought~

Well, I could be telling the truth.

Just a thought~

This is just going to turn into an uh-huh, nuh-uh moment you know?

[Maemuki]

Right, so Mae's used this angry and annoyed tone in her posts ever since the game began. It's just given me a thought: Mae hates being scum.

Reading Mae again.

Actually, that's my usual tone when I snap off. I think I already did that some times on this game.

[Maemuki]

Ok, back to the subject.

SK, why do you think that Hayl's vote was weak? I have my reasons, but I want to see yours.

[Maemuki]

Is that the only reason?

[Maemuki]

Is that the only reason?

Only one I could see as of right now. Were you expecting more?

I would be lying if I said no.

@ Elli, why aren't you voting Bogre then? Even worse, why are you voting with him?

[Maemuki]

@ Mae: So what were you expecting? I'm currently ISO'ing other people right now.

More reasoning, no?

@ Elli, fine then. *waits for Bogre's post*

[Maemuki]

@ Mae: I do have other people to scumhunt, you know.

If you believe someone is scummy, are you just going to leave them be?

[Maemuki]

@ Mae: I do have other people to scumhunt, you know.

If you believe someone is scummy, are you just going to leave them be?

When did I say I was going to leave anyone be?

Wasn't that what you implied when you said that you had other people to scumhunt?

If you

truly

believe that Hayl's scum...you're leaving her be, aren't you?

[Maemuki]

Oh my OMGUS~

If SK's scum, Zach is town. I think. Notice how SK wants to get Zach lynched on D1, D2 (I think) and D3.

[Maemuki]

So, I can't vote for people I find suspicious just because they happen to be on my wagon? I'm pretty sure at least one scum is on my wagon. I'm just too easy a target for scum to completely ignore.

So am I! So?

For goodness sake's, just 'cause you think that you're an easy mislynch, it does not mean that all scum are on your wagon. In fact, scum might even run away from your wagon.

[Maemuki]

I have more reason to suspect Zach than that.

That's still OMGUS imo. You accuse Zach of commiting the same scumtell as Hayl, but you vote Zach and not Hayl. I wonder why.

I'm lurking, btw.

I think we all noticed that. Any insight into the current events?

[Maemuki]

I still think Zach's town, or he think's im part of a seperate scum faction if he's scum.

Eeeeeh? What do you mean?

[Maemuki]

@ Mae: Why are you so driven and obsessed with getting me to vote Hayl?

Ahm, you didn't understand me. You say that Zach commited a scumtell, but when Haylen does it, you ignore it. Why?

[Maemuki]

@ Mae: Why are you so driven and obsessed with getting me to vote Hayl?

Ahm, you didn't understand me. You say that Zach commited a scumtell, but when Haylen does it, you ignore it. Why?

Refresh me on the scumtell you're referring to.

And you've been trying to get me to vote Hayl for quite a while now. Please, answer the question.

Parroting. Bussing Neto, and one more that-I-really-can't-remember.

Seriously.

[Maemuki]

Where was Haylen parroting? She could've bussed Neto, true. Please try to remember what the other scumtell was. I see no reason right now to vote Haylen over Zach. That may change when I ISO her again.

Pretty much all game SK, pretty much all game. And I will, I'm sure, I just wish my memory wasn't so bad...

Yes, seriously. Why are you going after me specifically to vote Haylen?

You're not getting it, are you? You're ignoring Hayl's scumtells, that are identical to Zach's, and going after Zach instead. I mean, why?

[Maemuki]

Like I said, I have

not yet

seen any reason to vote Haylen over Zach. I have a mind. I may change it if I see fit to do so. I'm going to read Haylen again in ISO. Please, be patient.

*must resist doing game-related pun that only I will get*

[Maemuki]

Wonderful. >.<

Yeah, school's been awful for me. Stupid Spanish!

This game has surely slowed down. I still defend my SK/Hayl scumteam, but unlike Glork, I do not feel that SK's posts have been townier. Why do you think so, Glork?

[Maemuki]

Right, so here's how much of a shite day i've had:

1. Fire alarm went off at 3am and didn't get turned off til 5am.
2. Didn't managed to hand in my coursework.
3. Couldn't find the email of the teacher to ask for an extention.
4. Got my BioPsychology exam result back and found that I failed it by LESS THAN 1 MARK.

Anyway i'm here for the deadline.

*gives cookies*

Look at the bright side - you didn't get a 0!

gah spanish test gah oral presentation about japan aaaaaaaaaaaaahhhh gah portuguese test about verbs gaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah

[Maemuki]

I'm not voting Bogre at the moment because:

A: My vote hammers him, and I want some discussion first.

*looks at deadline*

If I had to vote right this minute, my vote would go on Bogre. Since I don't have to vote right this minute, I'm interested in exploring other possibilities. Right now, I'm exploring the Yos/Zach/Neto scumhood possibility.

*looks at deadline*

---

Dear SK,

You rolefished 'cause you asked Hayl "so why don't you want to claim?", which is a nice way to say "so please claim".

Btw,

unvote

. I wonder if Bogre can get over here before deadline...

Love,
Mae

[Maemuki]

*pokes Mae because he's so tired of hearing about the rolefishing claim that he really can't defend against except to say that he wasn't trying to do it*

I'm fully aware of the deadline. I'm also aware that it hasn't happened yet. I doubt Bogre is going to escape the noose (unless I get run up as an alternate wagon), so why not wait a while and talk about things, see what we can discover, eh?

*gets sword because she's so tired of hearing about that excuse*

Yeah, if you want me to be super bored...sure why not.

[Maemuki]

Oh, and I thought you didn't love me anymore... ;)

That's my usual format.... :(

[Maemuki]

I think I still want to straighten Yos' hair, and I think Zach is a pretty nice guy.

Dear Haylen,

....

Love,
Mae

*screams...silence...

drip drip drip

*

So what do you think about Zach and Yos?

Zach isn't scum. Yos isn't scum. For now of course.

[Maemuki]

*is lonely*

I would hug you but I'm not in love with you anymore.

Anyway, Yos isn't scummy 'cause he did not make a scummy action, same for Zach.

Also gut.

[Maemuki]

*is sad because nobody loves him* (Obvious Appeal to Emotion)

*gives plushie*Actually no, I love my plushie collection too much. *takes plushie away*

Fair enough. May I ask who you think is scummier at the moment, Bogre or me?

you're both on the same level imo.

[Maemuki]

I love it when I get another suspect~

Well...I wonder if Incog's on~

[Maemuki]

Hai guys.

Anyone made a night reread? I didn't.

[Maemuki]

For goodness sake. Argh!

Anyway. I made a bit of a reread and instinct told me Glork was scum. My instinct is aweful.

Eeeeh, Glork was obv-town.

Is anybody against a SK lynch today?

[Maemuki]

If we mislynch today, and 2 townies are killed during the night, it'll be game over.

Good point - but I was wondering why the hell did N2 have two kills if N1 and N3 had only one...gah, pointless setup speculation isn't going to lynch scum.

Anyway, there's not much we can do without the rest of the players.

[Maemuki]

I'm still not a big fan of SK's "i don't trust the bogre wagon but I'll hammer anyway"

Sure there was the deadline, but why the hell did you vote for a wagon that you didn't believe in?

[Maemuki]

@ Mae: Where did you pick up the idea that I didn't trust the Bogre wagon? If I didn't think Bogre had a shot at being scum I wouldn't have hammered.

Also, please answer my questions posed earlier.

What questions?

By the way, I don't believe you actually liked the Bogre wagon~ did you ever make a case against him?

[Maemuki]

Mae, what happened to your burning suspicion of Haylen? Why do you want to lynch me?

I would've preferred a Zach wagon, sure, but I was also willing to lynch Bogre.

Please show me a post that showed that.

[Maemuki]

I would vote for Bogre, but my vote would be the hammer, and I'm not ready to end the day just yet.

There's your quote. Now will you please answer my questions?

WHAT QUESTIONS?

Eeeh, before that. That's not actual reasoning, now is it?

[Maemuki]

@ Mae: What happened to your burning suspicion of Haylen? Why do you want to lynch me?

Listen, is that deflection I hear~?

Because you gave no reasons to lynch Bogre that's why. Stopping discussion is the only reason I see for a hammer on someone you don't find very scummy.

[Maemuki]

Lol. What if the Vig is two scared to claim? Knowing that she's shot 2 power roles and 1 townie already. I don't think she wants people to think that badly of her, since the whole game rests on her shoulders tonight.

Woah...really? So the scum have only killed once this game, or else you and the scum targeted the same person twice? That's bizzare.

Just to be clear, you are claiming vig, correct?

Considering that there's only two female players on the game - and I'm not the vig - yes.

Now I'm going to slit my wrists with the printed version of Zach's game.

[Maemuki]

...hey, Zach, what do you think about Hayl? Townie or scum?

Well, you did say that you could read Hayl well.

[Maemuki]

I doubt SaintK and Zach are scum together, considering how SaintK's been attacking Zach all game

*coughbussingcough* Hey I've seen it happen. Whatever~ You don't have actual reasons to suspect me, now do you?

[Maemuki]

Okay, so right now I'm really suspecting Mae. Hard. But with the rate scummy people have been turning up town, I probably better go and look back at everything before I make a vote.

^ obv trying to see if Elli agrees with him before he tries to make a half assed case. Remember - you thought I was the towniest until D4 and a single flip changed that. Did you forget that I was in the beginning of a Town lynch when there was obviously going to be a scum lynch? Yeah. Doesn't sound like town to me.

Scum can bus. Hard. I think that all of this bussing was orchestrated - hey, there is a slight possibility.

[Maemuki]

Huh? If I parsed this correctly, this makes you look worse, not better. Razz

It does - but you ignored it until D4. Just like everybody else. Why did you ignore it until D4? Most people continued ignoring it, so I don't find it scummy. (Does this confuse you? If it doesn't - good, I don't understand it but I'm glad you do.) Seriously. I find it a bit hard to believe that

everybody

seemed to completely ignore that fact. Remember - Neto died on D2. You had a whole day to talk about it, but you focused on me not being on the Neto wagon. I don't get it.

Considering the only thing right now that I'm suspicious of Elli for is his early lurking, I think it should be obvious why I suspect you over him.

If you're so suspicious of me, you should vote for me, shouldn't you? Yeah. You're just waiting to see which wagon forms first. Answer this, or the person that will have my vote is you!

[Maemuki]

To your Hayl question - I suddently remebered "She wouldn't do this as town, would she." I'm sorry Haylie, but Zach was right on one thing - you do play differently as town than as scum.

And if you throw Bogre at me, it's because his play reminded me of my own.

[Maemuki]

I'm not voting you yet because I don't know if you or Elli is the remaining scum! If I vote you now and I turn out to be wrong, Elli hammers and it's game over, scum win. I'm not going to vote until I've looked at both of you and considered as many things as I possibly can. The obvious choice of lynch in Lylo is not always the correct one.

Tch, you're telling me that? I've already been mislynched on lylo once, you know. And if you don't know who is scum, why are you engaging on a debate with me? It seems like you're pretty damn sure that I'm scum!

You are confusing me right now. Just because people don't bring something up right away doesn't mean the thing is not admissible as evidence for or against you. And my case against you wasn't you not being on the Neto wagon, but you practically ignoring the Neto debate.

What debate? I was asleep for the entirety of Neto's wagon! I can't go on a theory debate

if I don't care about theory in the first place!

[Maemuki]

I wasn't talking about the actual debate. But you hardly commented on Netopalis at all on Day 1, and that's what's making me leery. Considering that we have one scum bussing another hard, I think the other remaining scum likely wouldn't interact with the busser much unless he or she had no choice.

I don't know why I should have commented on the Neto wagon. I believed that Net was scummy. Why should I have unvoted a person that I thought that was scum to vote a person whose case I didn't understand?

For one, you happen to be online right now, and Elli either isn't or hasn't chosen to make his presence known. For two, engaging in debates like these will help me determine whether or not you are scum. For three, if I was damn sure that you're scum, I'd be voting you. As it stands, I'm not positive that you're scum. You seem too obvious a lynch choice. Also, Elli has been fairly quiet throughout most of this game. It's making me wary of him.

*sigh* Fine. Elli better come online soon.

[Maemuki]

I already told you guys: I dropped my suspicion of Hayl because I thought "Wait a damn minute, she doesn't play as this as scum, does she?"

Btw, Mae was there for the final bandwagon flop. You should go back and reread the end of Day 1. She was definitely there.

Eeeeh. So were you. I was on the Net wagon before it was cool, but you weren't. Yeah. Not the best attack you could do on me, SK.

[Maemuki]

Mae, did you or did you not believe in the Neto-Gayle scum pair D1.

Yes, yes I did, but I believed more on the chances of Netty scum than Neto scum.

To your Hayl question - I suddently remebered "She wouldn't do this as town, would she." I'm sorry Haylie, but Zach was right on one thing - you do play differently as town than as scum.

Here's your answer, SK.

[Maemuki]

And it took until Day 5 (after Haylen was dead) to coax this answer out of you. I'm getting less comfortable with you, Mae.

Weren't you less confortable with me like two days ago?

Anyway, it does. Find any logical explanation for Haylen to be scum. Find any logical explanation for her to be town. If you don't find anything on both fields, she's town. I thought I did, but I was wrong. How many times have you played with her, SK? One, two?

And I started being less suspicious of her on D4, actually. She wasn't dead then, was she?

[Maemuki]

This is my second game with Haylen as a player, the first being ongoing.

Nope, not enough Haylen for you methinks.

Wait, if you can't find logical explanations for someone to be scum or town, doesn't that make them neutral?

If that person has avoided attention for the entire game, no.

You never stated as such until Day 5. When I tried to quiz you on what happened to your stance on Haylen on Day 4, you ignored, then dodged the question.

I did? Shit. *headdesk* Well, if you haven't played with Hayl, it's kinda hard to explain. And by kinda I mean very.

[Maemuki]

I doubt SaintK and Zach are scum together, considering how SaintK's been attacking Zach all game

*coughbussingcough* Hey I've seen it happen. Whatever~ You don't have actual reasons to suspect me, now do you?

I did have a town read on Zach. The only thing that I have where I think that he's scum is the post above.

I look so bad right now.

[Maemuki]

Nope, not enough Haylen for you methinks.

I know. :(

I did have a town read on Zach. The only thing that I have where I think that he's scum is the post above.

Why did you think he was scum at that point if you had a town read on him the whole game?

You bussing him, duh.

And if you haven't played with Haylen for at least 4 times and you don't constantly talk to her, you're not going to understand her.

[Maemuki]

Mae, you weren't here yesterday when Zach's claim happened, right?
What do you think it's motivation and what did you think about it in general.

No, I wasn't.

Well, a tracker, a watcher, a supersaint, a vig and a roleblocker seemed a bit too much. I thought he was a scum watcher, or a scum goon (remember kids, fake-claiming watcher is very easy). I thought that I could sleep, and that I could think in the morning. Guess what, Zach's dead.

Vanilla here too.

[Maemuki]

Ok, who was the top suspect for D4? Maybe a desesperation tactic to lynch Haylen instead of his scumbuddy? That's my view on it anyway.

Well, you see...Zach claimed watcher right after he quoted me and said "I'm not as good as reading her as I think". I do not know what to make out of it. >.<'

[Maemuki]

Hey guys! I'll reread this game tomorrow. I'm not in the mood to do it, Science test and so.

Mae, you read all of D4 right?

Maybe. Maybe not. Most likely the latter.

If there was no top suspect - why the hell did Zach fake-claim? Was he under pressure during early D2?

[Maemuki]

Mae, read Yos's plan. The only people he could have been trying to save would have been you or Kerri...
Which leaves me exactly where I started...meh.

For me, it makes SK scummier, but since you both bussed two different scum, I'm a bit uncertain on my reads.

[Maemuki]

Mae, how many times have you played with Zach?

Around 0? I've been on a game that was modded by him, though.

[Maemuki]

This comment sticks out to me. You're asking for Zach's opinion, and seem willing to trust it. However, having played 0 games with Zach before, I don't see any reason why you should do this, unless you're scumpartners with him.

Just because I haven't

played

with him, doesn't mean that I didn't

read

his games. There was a newbie game (I don't remember which one it was), and Zach said that he could read Haylen very well. I'll try to find it, if you want it.

[Maemuki]

Eeeeeeh, isn't Mafia about asking questions and seeing which answers are lies?

ARE YOU SERIOUSLY ATTACKING ME FOR ASKING FOR A READ?

By the way, it's this one.

[Maemuki]

No, I'm not. I'm attacking the trust that you seemed to put into Zach's potential read. Why else would you pose the question to Zach specifically? I can't find a townie motivation for it.

*raises eyebrow* Zach didn't attack Haylen before, did he? Did he even give a read on her before he claimed? Isn't that weird for someone that claimed to read Hayl well? Yes it is.

Sorry for saying this - this part of your case is BS.

[Maemuki]

Ugh, less than a day to DL. Mae, can you link me to last 2 games each of you as town and you as scum?

Yup.

Town:
Legacy of the Ancients Mafia
Caught in the Crossfire

Scum:
Newbie 830
Monks and Masons

As for the read, it depends. If it was consistent, I would believe him, if it wasn't, I wouldn't believe him.

[Maemuki]

Could you elaborate, please? I didn't quite get it.

If he suddently changed his town read to a scum read I would be "huh?" and vote for him. So?

[Maemuki]

Could you elaborate, please? I didn't quite get it.

If he suddently changed his town read to a scum read I would be "huh?" and vote for him. So?

I was just asking for clarification.

I noticed.

k, deadline's about to hit. I'm about to vote for anyone, really.

[Maemuki]

What makes you want to vote for Elli, Mae? I don't recall seeing you attack him much over anything.

Mmmm, deadline?

[Maemuki]

What makes you want to vote for Elli, Mae? I don't recall seeing you attack him much over anything.

Mmmm, deadline?

What does the deadline have to do with it?

A lot. Deadline hits in two hours. Stop acting like it's nothing at all! Who would you vote right now?

[Maemuki]

But why would you vote Elli, Mae? The deadline has absolutely nothing to do with who you vote for. You said you'd vote for anyone. Considering that I've seen little from you in regards to an attack on Elli, and you've considered me scummier for pretty much all day, I'd like to know what you see in Elli that makes you now willing to vote for either of us instead of simply outright voting the person you've been calling scummy for the rest of the day.

tl;dr: Why do you want to vote for Elli when you haven't so much as attacked him all day?

I'll answer your question when you've answered mine.

I already answered it! Deadline! Would you like a no-lynch? I prefer a 50% chance of winning than a 0%!

Answer my question, or you'll find yourself with a noose around your neck.

[Maemuki]

Vote: SK

[Maemuki]

PS.. did anyone other than incog see my awesome breadcrumb? GOSH!

Eeeeeh...no?

Then the wagon shifted...

*completely my fault*