#206, Reservoir Dogs: The Early Years - It's OVER!

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confirm, homies

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Draw on JerelC

I'm the real

Mr. Green

around here, imposter!

Anybody got a guess on what a Safe Cracker does? I mean, other than crack safes, obviously.

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Seol's disappearance reminds of a role in Quantum Mafia that could disappear day one, and gained powers for each day he stayed in hiding. If this is accurate a. we won't see anyone disappear day two b. when seol comes back, he'll be able to levitate. Or something.

That seems like a fairly convoluted role, and I'm not sure if it has the right flavor for this game. Flavorwise, I'm tempted to think that he's blabbing to the police right now, but he could have just gootten separated from us during the raid.

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Holsters gun, then Draws on Mr. Stoofer, while looking menacingly at Spork

I dislike Spork's lurking, but I'm also don't trust the way Mr. Stoofer shut down the conversation about Seol's disappearance and nudged people towards voting Spork.. Of the Spork bandwagon, I find it more likely that Mr. Stoofer is scum than DP.

[joke]Besides, we have too many Mr. White's.[/joke]

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I don't understand why people are focusing more on DP than on Mr. Stoofer. Of the three people currently getting votes, I'd rank them Stoofer, spork, DP, and I'd be willing to fire at Stoofer or spork. Spork might be a better lynch just because we get a little more information from his death.

Could somebody explain why they think DP is scummier than Mr. Stoofer?

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Stoofer, I don't think casting a lurker vote is scummy; I just don't like the fact that it took you 3 posts to do it and that you didn't vote spork until after two other people had done so. It feels like you were trying to provoke a bandwagon on him without commiting yourself to a vote. However, I may just be finding your style of play scummy.

I'm also trying to get a read on the DP bandwagon, since I don't see how one can find DP more scummy that Stoofer. In particular, if I have to choose between Spork and DP I will vote Spork, while I might consider voting Stoofer over Spork.

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Well, that's too much for me.

Hoslter Mr. Stoofer, Draw on Spork

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Coron, your arguement with DP is getting us nowhere. I'm convinced that there are more scum on DP's bandwagon then there are on Spork's bandwagon.

Where is Milkman? He's posted in three other games in the last week but not here.

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I'm happy with my vote for Spork, and see no reason to unvote for now. I'd rather lose a townie than out a power role, and there's a pretty good chance that we've got scum. Besides, his claim doesn't have nearly enough flavor to it.

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Hello? Anybody have any thoughts about Spork's claim?

Milkman, why do you believe Spork? His claim is completely flavorless, extremely generic, and he took forever to make it. And yet you just come here after not posting in this thread for 10 days despite there being two bandwagons, and say that you believe him. Do you at least have a suggestion for who you think is scummy?

Incidentally, if I unvote Spork, I will probabnly vote milkman.

FOS milkman

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Forget spork, where is Coron, mole, and warpdragon? Don't they have anything to say about the current situation? I'm pretty sure that at least one of them isn't scum, so they should have something to say.

Note: I'm excluding milkman because he has responded to spork's claim.

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And spork still hasn't added any flavor to role claim. Can we lynch him now? He's clearly stalling.

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Nobody killed last night. That's good.

Great, not only are the cops onto us, we have a murserous psycho as well.

First to talk about death types and he was on DP's bandwagon (and not on spork's bandwagon). I think I can justify a

Draw on Mole

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By killed, I mean, killed rather than missing. Obviously we lost one person.

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JerelC, assuming we go after the people who didn't vote spork, we should decide on one of milkman, mole, and Coron to go after. Do you have a reason to prefer milkman to mole or Coron?

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OK. I agree that we shouldn't restrict ourselves to those three (which is why I included the word assuming in my statement), but they form a good starting point for today's discussion. I'd prefer that we concentrate on mole for the moment.

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Milkman, what did you think of Spork's behavior before he claimed?

Also, I'm surprised that you either didn't notice or didn't respond to the various posts complaining about Spork's lack of flavor. Any comments?

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If we aren't going to press milkman, why are we listening to mole and coron argue who scum should be, when they were two people who were clearly on the wrong side of the spork-DP exchange? Perhaps we should check them out first?

Look, it's not like I'm voting mole because I like his name or something.

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Lucresia, what about warpdragon's 84 and 100? Those show that warpdragon was suspicious of spork before voting for him, even if he was late on the bandwagon. And spork did get a chance to make post 101 before warpdragon voted for him.

Coron, would you like to explain what you dislike about my post?

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Where's milkman? He's posted twice today but not in this game. I'm tempted to switch to him just to get him to post.

Coron, perhaps you can say something more convincing than "That's the scummiest thing ever"? For example, like why you find it scummy?

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Bravo Coron. That's really going to convince the masses. Do you expect the rest of town to read your mind? At least one of them (DP) has explained why he doesn't think my post is scummy.

I find it interesting that both you and mole are voting me.

Mod, can you

prod milkman

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If nothing happens in the next 24 hours, I'm going to partially role claim to help move the day along.

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mole, you never posted any sort of defense. Of course, neither of us gave a reason for our votes.

Well, like I said mole, I think I should partially role claim.

I have an investigative role.

Night 1: I investigated Seol
Night 2: I investigated mole

I've been subtly trying to convince people to look at mole since I'm not quite sure how to interpret my results, and a role claim from mole can give us a lot of information. Apparently I've been too subtle.

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Actually, I'm happy with what you've said, it's consistent with my results.

holster mole

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I'l clarify: I actually have a Lassie-style role. I watch somebody at night and see who they do night actions on (but not what night action).

Night 1: Seol visits LML. That means that Seol is likely our "murserous psycho", especially with the lack of a night 2 kill.

Night 2: mole spends time with coron.

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I'm a "Security Expert".

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Well, it looks that Thok, mole, coron and myself are for the moment clean, unless we later find out that there are sanity issues.
Which leaves JereIC, warpdragon, milkman and Lucresia for one or two opposing roles (can't call them scumbags here).
Which does notthing to change my preference for Milkman.

I'm not quite sure how I'm clean. Also, there's the possibility that somebody is lying.

That said, I agree milkman is the correct bandwagon for now.

draw on milkman

. You might want to think about claiming, milkman.

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And of course, as soon as the deadline passes, people stop posting.

Coron, we don't want to give out too many role names, since it can help scum come up with a claim. As for my name, well, what you see is what you get. Besides, I can always confirm my power tomorrow with my investigation, assuming the person I target doesn't die.

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Uh, isn't that a lynch?

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No kills for the second night in a row, and no disappearances either. A good doc is probably out there, and maybe a role-blocker as well. It's also possible Mr. Stoofer was our homicidal maniac, but I don't think we should count on that possibility.

From what I read, it appears Thok claims to be an investigator who gets descriptive, but not necessarily incriminating evidence, while mole claims to be an insane or paranoid rat-sniffer.

If you believe me, my evidence suggests that Seol was the homocidal maniac. In fact, I mentioned this yesterday.

I watched JerelC last night. He didn't do anything.

With us likely only having one scum left, a no-lynch is probably the right idea, to give me and mole time to gather information.

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Lucresia is also an undercover cop. It's becoming increasingly likely that I'm not very useful as an investigator...

I assume by this you mean that she's a "dirty rat" and not that she has a copish role.

If anybody else has a copish role, I suggest that they tell us their results.

Coron, if we don't no-lynch, who do you propose as a lynch candidate?

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Interesting. How many questions can you ask a day?

Also, you wrote

So far I asked how many people were anti town (ie scum and sk and cult etc) and the line "the three men I admired most..." makes me think we have three scum in one group.

Could you give us the exact statement of your question? For example, would it count all scum, or only living scum (it's looks like by day 1 we only had 3 living scum, as the SK was already kidnapped, and kidnapping looks like the Police night kill).

Finally, do you have anything to do with the mod playing "Staying Alive" or "Band on the Run"?

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Yes, but we'll have to be careful about sanity issues.

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I watched JerelC last night. He didn't do anything.

I posted this in my first post today.

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as of right now I am going to

Vote: no lynch

Wait, Seol was the sk? am I missing something?

My night 1 investigation had Seol targetting LML, which suggested that Seol was the SK. The lack of further SK killings also suggest that Seol was the SK.

To review, my info is

Night 1: Seol targets LML
Night 2: mole targets coron
Night 3: JerelC targets nobody

Because Lucresia and Coron both saw me and seol as protown, I suspect one of them is naive (always sees innocent) and the other is lying. I could be misanalyzing the situation horribly though (especially if the SK got investigation protection, which makes sense flavorwise). Voting patterns and general behavior suggest to me that coron is a better lynch target than lucresia if we target one of those two. (Also, a naive seducer would be quite amusing).

Coron, do you have any flavor to your investigations?

mole can't be scum without there being a second scum, (either I am lying about mole targetting coron or warpdragon is lying about scum not having additional powers, and that would make one of us a second scum). Sanity issues keep me from making any other conclusions for now.

DP, given the publically available information that town has, you might want to think about claiming. JerelC, you should claim if and only if DP does.

No reason to draw on anybody yet. Incidentally, what the heck would be the appropriate replacement for No lynch in this game.

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I'll respect your decision, DP. I wasn't accusing you. After the game is over, I'll explain why I suggested it.

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Well, I still want to hear coron answer my previous question, so

Draw on Coron

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I'll repeat, Coron, do you have any flavor to your investigations?

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Since I asked you the question 3 days ago, I didn't think I was being that impatient.

Hmm. Your claim is actually consistent with Seol getting some investigation immunity. So for now,

Holster on Coron and remove clip from my gun

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Weird.

I think that one of the people who haven't claimed a copish role (JerelC or DP) should decide what order the rest of us give out our information.

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vote Lucreisa

I'll go out of order. I watched Lucresia last night-she didn't do anything, which means she either isn't a cop or didn't submit a night choice.

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D'oh.

Draw on Lucresia

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I just had a bright idea.

Holster, Remove clip

I'll watch Lucresia again tonight, so she'll get a chance to prove her innocence. She should pick a target to investigate randomly, so I can confirm her. If she doesn't submit a choice, we lynch her, and if she does submit a choice, there is a high probability that we can confirm her.

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warpdragon, it's a safety play. If Lucresia is scum, we can afford to wait one day to lynch her. If she's not scum, I can clear her with a fairly high probability.

Put clip back in gun for now

, just so we can find out if mole did anything last night.

Lucresia, I will only assume that you are responsible for a kill if you target the person who is killed. This is why you are selecting randomly. Literally, you should roll a 6 sided die and use it to decide who to investigate tonight (I'm not sure how either of our roles would work if you investigate yourself, so I would suggest you don't do it). I'll watch you, and I'll know who you choose. Be sure to send in an investigation choice though.

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Warpdragon, I'll concede that you have something to do with the radio, but you could easily be scum with a power. (Obviously that would require to lie about your questions).

There's also a question of whether you've interpreted the song correctly. After all, I'd guess that the relevant line in today's song is "Don't Fear the Reaper," which could mean that Lucresia wouldn't need to fear death. The song itself is actually fairly ambivalent (while Blue Oyster Cult claims the song is about the eternalness of love, many people think it's about a murder-suicide pact. You can read about it on Wikipedia if you don't believe me.)

Coron, you could, you know, investigate warpdragon tonight if you don't trust him.

Has mole been prodded yet?

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There's not much for me to say. We're all waiting for mole.

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Blah, I'd remove clip but I want to hear from mole before night falls.

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Warpdragon, the plan is that

I clear Lucresia

, which I can do because my role doesn't have sanity issues at all. All I need to do is confirm that she has a night action that doesn't match up with a kill tomorrow night. If Lucresia is innocent, I can confirm it with a high probability.

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I still say we lynch someone else today.

Are you volunteering to be today's lynch?

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NanookTheWolf replaces mole, effective whenever he picks/picked up his role PM.

He's still

Mr. White

, however, for those reading the credits...

So Mr. White Wolf, any interesting investigation results?

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Has Nanook picked up the role PM yet? Has he been sent investigation results? He needs to return the favor of Mini 214.

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No problem Nanook. So at this point I think we can safely assume you are paranoid.

So back to the no lynch/I watch Lucresia plan.

Remove clip

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Lucresia investigated somebody who stayed behind and is alive. That suggests she's not scum to me. I'll let her give her result herself.

Perhaps a discussion of win conditions would be useful?

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So um, posts? Prods? More music for me to ponder while I wait?

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Well, with my number one suspect apparently cleared by Thok, everyone else's number one suspect gone in the night, and me with no investigative abilities, I'm kind of leaning towards one of y'all being a godfather-type of undercover cop.

I'm starting to suspect that we did in fact start with 3 scum (as Warpdragon said), and that they are all dead (although there may be more info). I don't want to stay here too long-at some point the police are just going to raid us and end the game (although DP/Coron may have already won the game for us).

If we no lynch, and we have a chance to run tonight, I'm planning to leave.

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Out of curiousity JerelC, why did you decide to stay? I'm just curious about your decision, since you don't seem to have any role powers.

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First of all, I will confirm that Lucresia did watch Warpdragon.

So, one of the reasons I wanted to discuss win conditions is an interesting little chat I had with the mod last night.

I (and possibly others) do not win by catching all the police/scum/whatever; rather I win if the gang successfully escapes. We should start trying to decide if there are any scum left in the town-according to warpdragon we only started with 3. If there are no scum left, we should possibly try to no-lynch and run for it (assuming that's possible).

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Well,

remove clip

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Thanks for the game Mr. Flay; it was quite fun. (And in retrospect, I am quite amused by the naive seducer and by "Don't kill the Reaper"). The song choices were both excellent and enigmatic.

Wow. Seol drew 6 of the 8 possible people who could target him night 1. That's impressive.

I'm happy with my play this game. DP, the reason I asked you to think about claiming day 3 was to try to clarify if we still had a doc left- at that point in the game you were the only person who could have been one and scum could easily figure that out. And Coron, we didn't actually end up lynching you, so you shouldn't complain