926 A Game of Thrones Mafia - Over.

[Raivann]

I dont wanna massclaim or especially break the game.
I've been waiting for this one
Let's just play some Game of Thrones Mafia...

Vote:Seacore

He obviously worships the Drowned God.
"What is dead can never die, but rises again, harder and stronger."

[Raivann]

Why no amusing reason after your vote?

[Raivann]

Why, do you have a particular reason for believing that a D1 nameclaim would break this game? Do you think the scum have less information?

Not really, just seems less fun.

I guess if scum didn't know the books.

I'm interested in seeing where this leads, but I don't want to nameclaim just yet.

Not that I like Kinetic's idea

You seem to be fencesitting. Why's that?

[Raivann]

Well,I guess it's just the five of us...

Of the people posting (which aren't a lot) for some reason Mina is peaking my radar. Not sure why yet though, but I'm going to keep an eye on it.

That's because Mina is caught scum.

Unvote, Vote:Mina

For fencesitting, then when questioned about it she tried too hard to appease and took a hard stance.

[Raivann]

@TheButtonmen- What do you think of my case against Mina ?

[Raivann]

Raivann, you're frustrating.

Yeah, I wanted to apply some pressure.
I'm satisfied with your response.
I'm with you on thebuttonmen too(that sounds bad).
What was that last post? Looks like he hit submit on accident

Unvote,Vote:TheButtonmen

[Raivann]

Does anyone else find it strange(by strange I mean scummy) that buttonmen has posted twice since Mina's case on him and he doesn't even mention or refutiate any of her points?

While you guys are discussing mechanics, Mina and I are lynching scum.

Wagon-ho!

[Raivann]

Vote:buttonmen

Nay

to nameclaim

[Raivann]

@Kinetic- Did you answer this yet ? ...

xvart wrote:
The point is if we all name claim who do you think is more likely to have a more powerful (or useful) role? Benjen Stark or Syrio Forel? Khal Drago or Hodor? In each of those instances, not knowing any role related information, who would you rather lose?

[Raivann]

Could the other 6 weigh in?

You've already helped scum enough claiming you're not a PR.
Now you want everyone to say if they are for or against nameclaim.
How does name claiming help the town?
I'm not even liking the voting for nameclaim thing.

How about this, we lynch thebuttonmen first.

[Raivann]

quote="xvart"]
In the meantime, I think Kinetic is the best lynch candidate at the moment since he is obviously selectively reading the thread to his agenda or to make others look scummy and continuing discussion that is not advancing the scumhunting one bit.
[/quote]
I agree, but I think a mislynch on town Kinetic on Day 1 would be a bad thing.
If he is town, scum will probably be scared of his Scummies and NK him.

Maybe he is Inv-proof GF or something. That's the only reason I can see for him to be doing this. Perhaps he is acting suspicious so he will get investigated and cleared by cop.

[Raivann]

What if scum have safe claims ?
If your scum who are you gonna kill at night?
Answer: The characters who are more prominent and powerful.

All this is gonna do is out PR's!

[Raivann]

How is card game? Is it as fun as Magic?

[Raivann]

Ok, just curious.

Why aren't you voting?
Are you waiting for names before you vote?
If so , why?

[Raivann]

If we are to believe Seacore with his VT claim, which I do atm, then Kinetic's theory of everyone having some sort of power role is wrong.

[Raivann]

With that said, I now think the best move is to lynch Seacore and we will definitely be able to verify his claim (if he happens to flip town).

I think Seacore was an excited townie when he claimed. Normally I would agree with you that an early claim is nervous scum. But I'm not getting that vibe from Seacore.

You won't find me too much against a Heilo policy lynch

But I'm curious for feedback on my (admittidly small) Mina case

I like Mina's case on buttonmen alot better.

I'm for lynching a chronic lurker if he doesn't post in the next 24-48 hours. Just saying.

^5!

I'm always down for a lurker lynch.

So sayith the lurker.

I could support Helio lynch, but prefer buttonmen lynch obviously.

Come join us on buttonman train, it's nice. We got champagne, cheddar cheese and peppered beef jerky.

[Raivann]

Time for a lynching.

Lynches i support: Buttonmen, Helio, Miserable.

[Raivann]

Robb Stark.

Locke Lamora you're up

[Raivann]

Actually I'd be for lynching anyone who is not voting.

[Raivann]

Actually, people, take a stand: Buttonmen or Heliograph?

Lynch Buttonmen, replace Helio.

[Raivann]

You're still not voting!

[Raivann]

A Buttonmen lynch, as opposed to a Helio policy lurker lynch, will provide the town with more info because more players have stated opinions about his posts.

[Raivann]

[quote"Buttonmen"]
Arya sculks.
[/quote]
What does that mean?

ok... lynch helio now gogo?

So do you believe claim?

[Raivann]

UNVOTE, VOTE: HELIO

[Raivann]

@buttonmen-
Did you get any result ?

[Raivann]

@The Inquisition- Who do you wanna lynch today?

[Raivann]

Rai, why question The Inquisition specifically to start the day?

Because I need more info on him.

I'm having a hard time getting a read on him.

[Raivann]

The Dead:
Heliograph - Tyrion Lannister - Innocent Aligned Double Voter was lynched Day 1.
Xvart - Syrio Forel -Vanilla Townie was killed night 1.

If there was two killing factions wouldn't there be different kill flavour like stabbed,shot,etc. Instead of just killed?

[Raivann]

Thus my original point, that someone is more likely to be scum when confirming last than town stands.

See- that only holds if people are confirming in thread. At any rate- what drew my interest towards you, was that you mentioned it twice, without a response from me

(In which I was inactive across the site, not night-talking)

- that you were very concerned with it, not so much that I think you were trying to pin mis-suspicion so early in the game.

Unvote

This feels like an overreaction, how you go out of your way to make sure we all knew you were not night talking.

Like,
"Good Morning Bogre."

And Bogre says back,
"I wasn't night talking!! I'm innocent!"


@Buttonmen- Who did you target last night?

[Raivann]

Jon Snow

MacLock go.

Why did you choose MacLock?

[Raivann]

Coldhands.

Miserable at Best: name claim time.

xvart.

Which book does he appear in ?

Here Bogre is interested in xvart's claim.
Not damning evidence I know,I just found it interesting.

[Raivann]

Notable exceptions are as follows:

Coldhands was not introduced until AFTER this period of time.

Renly, Theon, Tarly, Snow, and Cassel were not present at all at King's Landing during this time period (which according to the fluff is where we are).

Of the remaining roles, (Arya, Catelyn, Robb, Sansa, Sandor, and Tyrion), two were "allied" with the Lannisters while the other 4 were Starks. Additionally if we nail down the time period Catelyn Stark may not have been at King's Landing either.

As it stands from this quick analysis my original ideas were not completely right, but that doesn't mean we didn't gain a lot of information from this list, not the least of which is that everyone is cemented in their claims.

If I had to make rough guesses right now on who was scum based solely on set up, I'd make these assumptions:

At least one of {Sansa, Robb, Catelyn, or Arya} is most likely scum

At least one of {Sandor, Tyrion} or {Snow, Tarly, Coldhands} is most likely scum (but I put these together since I think each is mutually exclusive due to their locations).

At least one of {Theon, Cassel, Renly} is most likely scum.

This is all assuming 3-5 scum in the setup,

with either a mixture of one mafia group and a SK and/or Survivor, or two mafia groups and either a SK or Survivor.

I could see Kinetic killing xvart too.
Maybe that's what made Kinetic think xvart was a PR.
Of course this is wifom but xvart was most suspicious of Kinetic.

Have you ever played a 12 player game with 5 scum?

[Raivann]

Obviously I don't think I'm a great lynch, but I also don't think there's enough time to convince 4 more people of my

guilt.

(Assuming that xvart, locke and mina are currently happy to vote for me)

So we need three more votes. Xvart has said he'll move his vote, so we need two more.

Shouldn't the word be "innoncence", not "guilt" ?

And you're making me feel better about you being lynched because this way we're lynching a slightly scummy usless town, rather than just a useless town.

Whoops! Scum slip much?

xvart.

Seacore had good reasons for wanting xvart dead too.

Xvart is right about Seacore scumslip.
What does "slightly scummy useless town" mean?
So he's scummy but you know he's town? How?
When did you say you thought Buttonmen was town?

FoS:Seacore

[Raivann]

No, at the worst I could recive no result, and I honestly can't think of a way that could happen N1. (with out using a RB)

How convenient for the scum that they actually have a roleblocker huh?

[Raivann]

Now onto Miserable's uberscummy contribution to the game...
He has 6 posts total, in where he promises content, and claims Sandor Clegane.
His first post is only one with content.He goes with the popular flow. In it he says he is not for name claim(then later votes Yay).Parrots my Mina case and makes a weak case on Bogre.
In Iso of Miserable also notice that his third,fourth, and fifth posts are exactly 3 days apart.
He's posting just enough to not get replaced and it makes me wanna...

Vote:Miserable At Best

[Raivann]

Why did you think this was true? Is it necessary for a mod to distinguish between the factions that make the kill?

Just from my experience.

No. I wasn't directing my question at mod, I was pointing it out to town. I was trying to figure out scum setup and if there was an SK and if The Inq. was lying about being targeted.
I was surprised when mod changed kill flavour from killed to throat slashed.
It makes me believe The Inq. a little bit more than I did before, I guess.

If The Inq is SK then are you saying he didn't kill last night?

My read on the Inq is I'm still neutral on him and not sure if I believe him or not.
I just finished a game with him and he was town and does seem like he scumhunted more in that one. His post count wasn't high in that either. We killed him N2 because he nailed Amished.

My top suspects are Buttonmen & Miserable

then Bogre,TheInq,LockeLamora,Kinetic, Seacore in a Nuetral clump together

Leaning town on Mina, MacLock

[Raivann]

Rav mafia who got kill blocked and Inq SK? That is a very interesting find Mac.

Oh ok now I see what you're saying.
Interesting? yes. Wrong? yes.

[Raivann]

I was never in any multiscum games that I can think of.
I played in Revenge of the crimson King with a SK though

[Raivann]

Mafia 104
Sorry i fail at links.

Yeah I'm sure there's more but the seach function in my head is down atm.

[Raivann]

Raivann, why did you FOS Seacore, but put him in a neutral clump with five other players below Buttonmen (I understand why he was below Miserable, since you voted for him)? Because apparently, you don't suspect him more than most of the players in the game.

I had him pegged as town D1, It wasn't until I did reread D2 that I was suspicious of him. I was just trying to keep it simple with top 2 suspects.

Seacore is quickly becoming my top suspect though.
There is just too many scumslips to be coming from an eager townie.
His early claim,He keeps going back and forth on whether he thought Buttonmen was town or scum,xvart's catch on him, his weak 'abilities' attack on The Inq.
I know that killing xvart would cast more suspicion on Seacore or Kinetic, but I think one of them did it anyways.
Seacore I'll give you one more chance to answer these questions...

Obviously I don't think I'm a great lynch, but I also don't think there's enough time to convince 4 more people of my

guilt.

(Assuming that xvart, locke and mina are currently happy to vote for me)

So we need three more votes. Xvart has said he'll move his vote, so we need two more.

Shouldn't the word be "innoncence", not "guilt" ?

And you're making me feel better about you being lynched because this way we're lynching a slightly scummy usless town, rather than just a useless town.

Whoops! Scum slip much?

xvart.

Seacore had good reasons for wanting xvart dead too.

Xvart is right about Seacore scumslip.
What does "slightly scummy useless town" mean?
So he's scummy but you know he's town? How?
When did you say you thought Buttonmen was town?

FoS:Seacore

On second thought, nah. I'm sold

Unvote , Vote:Seacore

@Flutter-What's your character name?

[Raivann]

Unvote

Those answers seem truthful actually.

Do you think there is a SK ?

[Raivann]

Also, I admit that the "abilities" attack is not the strongest thing in the book.

It's about as strong as your guilt/innocence scumslip attack on me though.

Touche!

[Raivann]

The Inq. wasn't under that much suspicion and to come out as being targeted...
It is a ballsy scum move. Like what Kinetic was saying about The Inq. being SK.
So Inq. didn't kill last night, instead he said he was targeted so if we don't lynch him and there's 2 kills on N2 he can say 'See told ya I was targeted'
and then throw on top of it 1 more NK block with his armor.
I would imagine the scum motivation for having 2 hit armour is so the mafia wont try and kill him ?
Why wouldn't he just claim totally bulletproof?

Buttonmen's claim of limited cop does kinda go with The Inq. limited bulletproof.
I guess he could have thought of that too though

[Raivann]

The main issue I'm having with Inq's claim is this:

If he had any more protection left, why did he announce he had it. Wouldn't that only discourage scum from attacking him again? Wouldn't a townie both PREFER the night kill attempt to target him again and maybe even try to draw it?

Everything in me is telling me this is a bulletproof scum gambit from someone who had a one-shot immunity and lost it and now is trying to trick people from killing him in the night phase.

For this to make him scum though, it points toward SK because of the type of protection (I see SKs much more likely to have night kill protection), and since the likely hood of three killing roles is nearly moot he would also thus have to be responsible for the xvart kill.

Unless there is something I'm missing that is so far where my main suspicions lie with Inq.

You seem a little too sure that The Inq. got targeted last night, yet you try and paint him as SK.
So you believe only part of his claim? Why?
Why do you think The Inq. didn't claim totally bulletproof?

[Raivann]

Vote: Bogre

He is lurkin scum

[Raivann]

There's a difference between stepping up your game because you just have more to say, and stepping up because you're under pressure. In the latter case, I seen that just as often, if not more often with scum.

What about not stepping up your game at all ?

The Inq. brought the pressure on himself by saying he was targeted by scum and that he was semi BP.

I'm kinda suspicious of the players who are voting him actually.
If we are gonna lynch a claimed PR, I'd definitely prefer a Buttonmen lynch.

One of the reasons I'm not voting Buttonmen is because both His and The Inq. claim of limited PR's kinda go together.

And the fact that Mina and I are still alive. We were both calling for Butt's head I would have figured scum Buttonmen would've killed one of us, or if he wasn't scum then the real scum would kill to set-up bllaaauurrggg..help I'm drowning in wifom.......

[Raivann]

@Kinetic- Isn't a SK that is PB a little too strong for a mini game?

[Raivann]

*Oops, Not PeanutButter I meant BulletProof

[Raivann]

Who are you digging at here? Also, what's the point of said dig?

I give you a hint. It starts with Butt and ends with men.

Did you know that besides his first post he has only voted once and here is his case...

Vote: Heilo

, cause deadline is hells of soon.

I'm kinda suspicious of the players who are voting him actually.

Why?

Not quite sure yet. Mainly just because I know scum would love to lynch a bulletproof townie.

Do you believe Buttonmen's claim?

[Raivann]

Bogre shows absolutely no interest in lynching scum, neither does Buttonmen.

Moar Bogre votes please.

[Raivann]

I don't have much to add except that I'm liking Bogre lynch more and more.I'm pretty confident we're going to hit scum.

[Raivann]

I'll take Mina's question about suspicions other than Seacore and Inq as a general question, since it's an interesting one.

I am thinking a Bogre, Kinetic scumteam.

Howdy guys.

Vote: Kinetic

Nameclaiming suggestion, and the voting me for being the last to confirm. I confirmed after I read my role PM. I find it strange that you are 'getting annoyed' by that. What is your reasoning that last to confirm is over 50% likely to be scum?

With this being a little RVS distancing ploy.

[Raivann]

Why Kinetic?

Just a hunch.
Why the question? I'm not voting for him or anything. Your question strikes me as not genuine.

[Raivann]

So, just gut?

No there's more but I'd rather not lynch him, there is scummier.
He just hasn't seemed very helpful in scumhunting, not like a paragon anyway.
His flutter vote was safe and easy. Has he even asked flutter any questions?
It's hard to tell who is scum actually. I'm glad Buttonmen is raising his game.
But with Bogre,theInq,flutter still not posting much, it's hard.

If you were town I would think you'd be more interested in concentrating on today's lynch.
Your recent posts you seem more interested in self preservation and you only have 1 vote.
If you think we are gonna mislynch a town Bogre, then tell me why and who we should lynch.

[Raivann]

unvote

[Raivann]

I also want to hear more from Rai, who I was about to have prodded before his single word post, as well as Kinetic.

I am happy to lynch anyone except Mina or Seacore, they are the only town reads I have.
My two favorite lynches are still Percy and Kinetic.

Vote:Percy

[Raivann]

Unvote, Vote:MacavityLock

I agree with Confucius

[Raivann]

I'm down for a buttonmen lynch.

unvote, Vote:TheButtonmen

Sorry my posts have been terrible lately, I've been hanging with gf, watching NCAA basketball(go Huskies!) and playing Bioshock2.

I unvoted and revoted Percy because I felt like it. Little confused on who scum team is. Confucius has good idea's , welcome btw!

Confucius and Mina are so town.

[Raivann]

Are you gonna invite me over for a 'Red Wedding" Maclock?

[Raivann]

The only problem I have with Buttonmen lynch is that he was the first one to claim he had a limited PR.
Now The Inq. and Confucius both also claim to have a limited PR of some sort.
How would he know that ?

[Raivann]

MacLock, I suppose a vig might have made a suboptimal kill on N1. And I have a bad track record of getting horribly tunnelvisioned on townies, so I could be wrong. (Believe it or not, I'm not actually 100% sure of your guilt; I just act like it sometimes.) The one thing I find hard to swallow is why you didn't say anything in Inquisition's defence when people were trying to lynch him. I can see you believing Inquisition was BP scum. But why did you let people think he was lying about his claim? You're saying the Mafia NK line was a breadcrumb...but when I read it at the time, my impression was that you doubted Inq's story (because the Mafia would have never targeted him). I don't think you outright said you didn't believe Inq was really bulletproof, but you sure as hell implied it.

Kinetic also seemed to believe that The Inq got targeted but not to believe his claim.

There's no good reason why I unvoted then voted Percy, I just couldn't decide wether I wanted to vote him or not. But believe or not I'm moving my vote again.
I'm wondering could The Inq, Buttonmen, and Confucius all be telling the truth and are PRs all have some limiting factor.

So here's me stepping it up..
Scumteam= Kinetic, Percy
SK= MacLock

unvote, Vote:MacacityLock

[Raivann]

How was pointing out night kill flavor a scumslip?

If anything it made me believe The Inq more and helped in figuring out if we had multiple factions or not.
Doesn't that help the town?

Maclock needs a proper lynchin'

[Raivann]

Who would want to kill a BP townie more, a Vig or Scum?
Why does Mac wanna try and kill The inq again?and again

So our Vig wants to shoot BP SK again tonight ?
Is that what I'm supposed to believe?

And we got 3 other limited PR's. I think there is no vig and Mac is scum.
Out of the four claimed PR's, his claim doesn't fit.

[Raivann]

How 'bout we lynch Kinetic, have MacLock shoot Percy, then after those two flip scum we lynch Mac.

[Raivann]

Most likely you are almost all power roles of some sort, that is why so many of you are so rabidly against any name claim. You think it will out you or such. That isn't likely to happen because of the setting many names lend themselves to MANY different roles.

Kinetic used to think we were all power roles of some sort. Wouldn't that mean that we would have to count him as a PR too? He could have been saying this as VT to draw NK, but i think not. I think he was setting himself up for a PR claim later.

I'm basing alot of reads right now on The Inq. telling the truth. I just dont see the scum motivation in him claiming he was targeted at the beginning of D2.
Having Confucius claiming limited PR makes me believe The Inq more too.

Kinetic and MacLock have been all over The Inq and I feel a Kinetic vote comin my way soon.

[Raivann]

Raivann: if Mac had claimed that he definitely does have a limited amount of kills, or that he has a restriction in some other way, like who or when he can kill, would you read him as more likely town?

No, Mac is scum.

Um...Raivann, you realize that if Kinetic actually does have a power role, that was worse than Seacore's VT claim?

Also, why do you suspect Percy? Is it just a combination of OMGUS/him suspecting Inquisition? I haven't seen you make a case on him.

Kinetic probably does have a PR, a scum PR that is.

I would probably have to reread to make a case but yeah its mainly omgus.
I mean just iso me and it's obvious that I'm super townie and awesome scumhunter thats why Mac, and Percy are trying to lynch me.

[Raivann]

Wow! This is like the Red Wedding.

I can't believe im getting lynched D2. This is a terrible mislynch.

I am Robb Stark, heir to Winterfell, you murderous scummy Frey bastards!

I am Innocent Aligned.

I can use Grey Wind for 1 DayKill so I better go ahead and use it now before I get lynched...

Kill: Kinetic

However, Vote: Raiv. He has failed to answer questions, there is the kill method tell, and as the final straw, has taken an easy route in putting himself on my wagon. If I had a second vote, it would go to The Inq. I'm done with his lack of response to the questions put forth, and his 546 is awful. (P.S. @mod, it's almost time for an Inq prod.)

That's a great case.
I'll ask again , What is kill method tell?
So I wasnt posting much for 4 or 5 days so I'm not answering questions?


If I don't get another post - Good Luck Mina and Confucius, you're gonna need it!

Unvote, Vote : TheButtonmen

Because I know I'm town and his lynch seems like the only alternative to mine.

[Raivann]

Ok I missed Percy's and Seacore last posts.
I thought I was lynch for sure so I lied hopeing to get Kinetic to respond to me trying to kill him.
I can't daykill I am just Innocent Aligned, no special powers.

But I like Percy's last post alot and Seacore gets swayed too easy.

So unvote me Percy and Seacore, I'm freakin town!!!

[Raivann]

Because I don't wanna get lynched if I can help it!

[Raivann]

@Percy- What do you think of a Kinetic, TheInq. scumteam?

I can see what your saying about why he claimed he was targeted.

I now support the following lynches:

Kinetic
MacLock
The Inq.
LockeLamora
Buttonmen

In that order.

[Raivann]

Hi I'm MacavityLock and I'm scum.

[Raivann]

Hi Kinetic, Still actively lurking the thread i see.

[Raivann]

Ha! I love that.

My friends and I say that. It's from Mr.Mom when he enters the exit for pickup of his kids- " You're doing it wrong!"

But yeah,anyways, I have no Idea what your talking about.

Are you trying to set me up for your upcoming vote?

I'm here posting until I get lynched. With my Jameson Whiskey+Pepsi's.

Someone please unvote me before Buttonmen hammers!

[Raivann]

How surprising Mac.

C'mon town! - by that I mean Mina, Con.,Seacore, maybe Percy. We can't afford another mislynch!!

[Raivann]

Yes, Thank you for asking.

I really like Mina as town, duh.

I really like Kinetic and MacLock as scum.

I see scum letting Seacore live to endgame because he is wishy washy.

If town loses I blame TheInq. and Seacore(if they're town)

And if you're town Buttonmen, a town loss is totally your fault. You have played very poorly. You didn't even try to scumhunt D1. I must admit I like your MacavityLock vote, but you sure as hell haven't been helpful in your claim or your scumhunting.

[Raivann]

Bah!, Go Town!

[Raivann]

We got pwned.