Mini 219: Tom Cruise Mafia -- It's a Wrap!

[Talitha]

vote: Astronaut

Just to prove that I really don't hate Scandinavians!

[Talitha]

I think that if MeMe intended to give us more info about the deceased, she would have done so already.

Phoebus: What is your understanding of how a 'motivator' role works?

[Talitha]

unvote: Astronaut
vote: Johnny

Because all singular votes aren't going to get us anywhere.

[Talitha]

Are you still with us Johnny?

[Talitha]

I'm happy with my vote on Johnny, for now.

The Astronaut unvote of DP without voting for anyone else seemed... interesting, for some reason. What was your rationale there Astronaut?

[Talitha]

Because
- he had only posted once, on the day the thread opened
- he hadn't posted since I voted for him
- he's new
- I was bored

[Talitha]

I'm trying to figure out if I think Johnny is being so reactive and obliging because he's new, or because he's scummy.

[Talitha]

I still think Johnny is the one most deserving of my vote. I have no intention of switching to Astronaut at this point. If I were going to switch, inHim is the one who has made my nose wrinkle the most. Just a hunch at this stage.

[Talitha]

Bah,

unvote: Johnny

Not convinced he's innocent, but my conscience doesn't allow me to try and Day 1 lynch someone who might possibly be playing their first game as a townie.

vote: inHim

This vote's as good as any other
(Seriously - I don't see anything wrong with post #25 either - it's more the tone of your posts)

[Talitha]

Uh, inHim, when you use quotation marks like that you should at least make sure that what is inside them has some resemblence to what the person actually said.


I'm content to get a feel for the new players on Day 1 without trying to lynch the pants off them.

Speaking of which, Windslicer, are you still with us?

[Talitha]

(Nice attempt to divert attention though, inHim)

[Talitha]

You're going to have to explain the problem better if you want me to give further explanation.

[Talitha]

You didn't mention DP. Has he been suspicious enough to deserve your vote, Windslicer? Because it appears your vote is on him.

[Talitha]

I'm sticking my vote with inHim who has nothing to say now that the attention is turned away from him.

[Talitha]

I'd rather let him stay around for a while and go after someone who's committed to being noncommittal.

Yeah - I'm about ready to be swayed from my that newbies never deserve to be lynched on day 1. (It's a hangover thing from

my

1st game.. I'm still traumatized.. ). If I have a peeve that's even bigger than lynching newbies on Day 1, it's people that don't vote.

I'll stay on inHim for now, seeing as I'm waiting for his contribution (and he has the biggest bandwagon). Could easily change though. *Eyes up non-voters*

[Talitha]

Talitha - There are quite a few players without prying eyes on them, and they're not talking. You singled me out after I singled you out. I guess all's fair in love and war... but that kind of sounds OMGUS-ish.

I voted for you before you even mentioned my name in this game, so it looks as though you are trying to re-write history here.

And if Johnny voted as a result of my comment then it had it's desired effect.

[Talitha]

It was not until after I mentioned how peculiar your play was that you launched a campaign.

What utter rubbish! I made my vote and I've stuck with it. You're still trying to misrepresent the way things actually happened. Squirm scum, squirm!

And at first I was amused at the idea that there's something sinister going on with my interaction with Johnny in the thread. Now it's getting ridiculous. Are you people (inHim, Seol) seriously suggesting I would be coaching a newbie scum buddy on how to play in full view of everyone?

[Talitha]

Hmmm... is it just me or does that post of Astro's( "It's much more fun to lynch someone when you know their name, isn't it?") imply that he thinks that Johnny would claim his real name, and therefore he thinks that Johnny is town.

[Talitha]

The quotation marks were around 'don't lie'.

[Talitha]

Did you get sent a result for night one?

[Talitha]

I'm tending towards believing Johnny, so

unvote: inHim, vote: Astronaut

I think Astro may have slipped up when he made the comment about it being more fun to lynch someone when you know their name. When I called him on it he basically said he

did

think Johnny was scum, and thus he wanted him to claim. But if his statement was a serious one (which he hasnt denied) then it implied he didn't believe Johnny to be scum.

He's also been kinda coy in stating exactly what he's thinking.

I think it's the best evidence there is right now anyway.

[Talitha]

I think Talitha's "evidence" against Astronaut is sort of weird. Certainly I can't think of why Astronaut would say something like that, but that holds whether he's town or scum. It was just a strange comment. Her determination that Astronaut is therefore more likely to be scum seems forced, to me, especially when she then admits

Talitha wrote:
I think it's the best evidence there is right now anyway.

I thought you would be familiar with the relevant Jeep tell (when someone says that a player is town without saying "if"). The reason I am a little hesitant is

because

it was a "strange comment" it makes me wonder if I'm mis-interpreting. But Astronaut's subsequent posts have made me comfortable to keep my vote on him.

[Talitha]

I still like my vote. Especially now that Astronaut is expressing doubt about the scumminess of the person that he's voting for.

[Talitha]

Astro - you're right. Being unsure of your vote isn't necessarily a sign of scumminess. I retract my comment, especially seeing as you've now moved the vote that you were unsure about.

I'm going to read over when I get a chance.

[Talitha]

Wow. Did you just make up a crap reason to take your vote off halfpint?
As far as I can see there wasn't any analysis in her post.. she herself said it was just a summary (of events) that needed examining.

After re-reading, and this latest post, I'm going to go back to my first instinct.

unvote: Astro
vote: inHim

[Talitha]

Why ya stuck on Astro, P?

I think inHim put a vote on halfpint (who didnt have any votes) so that he didn't look like a bandwagoner. The when the pressure went off him, he thought he could afford to join one of the bandwagons, so looked for an excuse to unvote halfpint and revote someone like me. Have a look at his last few posts.

[Talitha]

I just can't buy inHim's explanation about his halfpint unvote.

inHim - you're saying that scum don't try and appear like they're being helpful to the town?

[Talitha]

So if I make a nice little post listing a certain player's actions in the game so far will you unvote

me

? Or is that kindness reserved for people who don't have healthy bandwagins rolling?

[Talitha]

Hmm, that's a gutsy claim if it's not true. If no other masons turn up later in the game he can be lynched then.

unvote: inHim
vote: Windslicer

He seems to be contradicting himself. (Nobody is scummy, oh, but inHim, the guy with the biggest bandwagon is giving out scummy vibes.) And my own neck is on the line so I'm declaring my self-imposed embargo on newbie hunting to be over.

Also,

FOS: FULDU

. He hasn't said anything since I attempted to explain my Astro vote for which Fuldu is supposedly voting me for.

[Talitha]

I agree. Unless MeMe put 2 John Andertons in the game (and I can't think

why

she would) the safe money is definitely on Johnny.

unvote: windslicer
vote: Johnny

Nice attempt though, you nearly pulled it off.

[Talitha]

Crumbs, what a terrible night!

This calls for a re-read.

[Talitha]

I'm here but all your words look like blobs on the screen. be back when I'm not tired.

[Talitha]

Welcome Yosarian, thanks for replacing.

I haven't managed to read over yet, but I think we should take this day slowly anyway.

I still have inHim marked as a POI (person of interest). When I read over I'm going to asking myself whether I think DP had info on inHim. The fact that DP didn't believe the mason claim stands out in my mind. A partner coming out would make me slightly more comfortable with the claim, but I won't be 100% convinced unless a dead mason turns up.

[Talitha]

I'm part of the way through my read through and I'm retracting my suspicion of InHim... I'm pretty confident he's pro-town now.

[Talitha]

I've finally caught up in this game - sorry about that.

So, most likely scenario is that we have 4 scum (divided 3-1 or 2-2) alive. I think halfpint made it pretty clear that she investigated inHim... so that and the mason claim are enough for me to declare him good for now.

Now as to whether the other mason should come out, there's pros and cons, I want to ponder it for a bit longer. The best play for the scum is to try and eliminate the other scum. If the scum distribution is 3-1, and we don't lynch one of the mafia today, and they manage to narrow down who is the SK and kill them overnight, it's curtains for the town. However, if there are 2 groups of 2 scum, we want them firing at each other and not the town, so it would possibly be advantageous to reveal the other mason.

My top picks for scum:
Astronaut
Seol

Not so sure on (but probably only one is innocent):
Yosarian
Phoebus
Fuldu

[Talitha]

OK. I'm ready to start voting. Any objections?

[Talitha]

I'm not scum. And from where I'm sitting I think there's a more important question and that is, how are the scum distributed in this game? If it's 3 + 1, the last thing we want to do is lynch the 1. If there is a singular killer in this game I'm guessing it's Yosarian or Astronaut. Mainly because I can see things shaping up to lynch one of those 2 today, and I assume that the mafia would be trying to lynch the SK.

[Talitha]

I think a mass claim could be helpful at this point, yeah.

[Talitha]

So, masons? We doing this mass claim thing? I think you two should be the ones to decide who claims first.

I've been thinking about it, and I'm not sure that it is going to help a lot... I can't think who the scum will be, is Tom Cruise ever a bad guy? Is it possible that the scum could claim their own roles and we'd never know they are scum?

I still think it's our logical next step though. I'm just not sure enough on who is working together. The Seol/Yosarian thing was obvious, but I tend to think it was a little too obvious And Phoebus has been pushing it pretty hard.. my gut says there's a good chance he's mafia with one of them (Seol probably), and Yosarian is innocent, or opposing scum.

[Talitha]

It's my turn... I think? Is that a serious claim Pip?

[Talitha]

Interesting.

I'm Brian Flanagan from Cocktail.

[Talitha]

vote: Seol

Him and Phoebus have the dodgiest claims by far, I'm convinced they're both scum and I'd lynch either of them.

[Talitha]

A win's a win, I'll take it

Thanks for the game MeMe and all, I enjoyed it.