Mini 964: Another Story - Over!

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1. Leans to the first one.
2. Depends on the power of roles.
3. Not random (well possibly random) but a lynch is better than a no lynch apart from in rare instances.
4. Yeah
5. True OMGUS yes. Voting someone who voted you for reasons, no.
6. Helping the team get what it needs. (I ask questions, support other's cases but I'm not the world's greatest at analysis.)

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Vote: Yabba

- Answerring the questions and then saying what you said about the questioner seems scummy to me.

It seems like you
1. Don't want to seem scummy by not answering the questions.
2. Want to gain brownie points by attacking the questioner.

And though they're not really that scummy, you're post seems like you're preoccupied by them.

Dr. Cyanide: Are you trying to act stupid/scummy.
Deer: Why did you change your vote? ("Elias voted the same player" is not an acceptable answer.)
Everyone (other than Elias) : Why didfn't you comment on Elias' serious vote before random voting?

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Just answering your points.

Vote: Yabba

- Answerring the questions and then saying what you said about the questioner seems scummy to me.

To me it seems like the better scum play is simply to answer them and say nothing else, so as not to draw attention. The more time Town spends on idle chat, the better for Scum.

Going under the radar probably won't end up finally winning. Its best to try for pro-town points.

It seems like you
1. Don't want to seem scummy by not answering the questions.
2. Want to gain brownie points by attacking the questioner.

This feels like a trap. If he hadn't answered and criticized he probably would have been met with a bunch of "Why don't you want to give info. Anti-Town!".
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Possibly. But only scum would have thought about that. Town would just do what they want.

And though they're not really that scummy, you're post seems like you're preoccupied by them.

What else was there to be focused on, given the game hadn't even started yet.

Most players didn't think about how best to look town.

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Yabba:

The problem isn't that you did 1 OR 2. The problem is that you did both which is what you'd do if you were paranoid or overthinking it, not if you were just town responding to a post.

The Ad Hom (the reference to my play style) and the frankly ridiculous idea that you shouldn't think how scum would play are also points for you being scum.

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Clearer this time?

Yeah its much clearer. Thank you.

Deer: Have you got any other games when you unvoted to prevent an RVS wagon?

Cyanide: So the answer is: "Yes I was trying to act stupid in order to garner a laugh"?

What's wrong with "Going for pro-town points"? How would you put it?

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He was being delibarately stupid and ridiculous. That's different from making a RV with a comment.

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It isn't.

This is:

Unvote. Vote: Vibebox.

Enjoy this OMGUS sandwich.

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If anybody is wondering.

Dr. Cyanide: Are you trying to act stupid/scummy.

I asked that (for the most part*) in order to see if I should judge his actions as those done by a silly player.

* It was part in order to judge his reaction.

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It isn't.

This is:

Unvote. Vote: Vibebox.

Enjoy this OMGUS sandwich.

This doesn't answer my question of

how

it is any scummier.

I never said it was. Its uniqueness makes it noteworthy though.

I asked that (for the most part*) in order to see if I should judge his actions as those done by a silly player.

* It was part in order to judge his reaction.

Aren't we all effectively "silly players" while RVing?

No. RVing snd being sporadic are completely different.

I think that's shown byu the fact that the person I called out for being silly is also the player in the game who has a "Cyanide generally has an anti-town meta too and a silly mannerism, from what I gather."*

*Yabba

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Jag: Why aren't you voting?
You said that I was reacting to trivial things. Trivial compared to what?
I've reacted to three things, are they all trivial?

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I think Cyanide's whole OMGUS sandwich vote was still placed in the context of RVS - therefore, I don't find much scummy about it, to be honest.

Its uniqueness makes it noteworthy though.

Explain what you mean by "noteworthy."

Worthy of note.
Worth mentioning if there's a lack of serious points. Noticiable as something unique to that one player.

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Jag:

Tiny compared to what? As far as I'm concerned I've been commenting exclusively on the most important issues.
It was serious (no vote) and it wasn't supported. I couldn't just say "I wasn't being aggressive."

How have I been aggressive?

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Worth mentioning if there's a lack of serious points. Noticiable as something unique to that one player.

Does that = scummy to you?

I think I've already said it doesn't.

RVers: Is there really nobody scummier than anyone else? If there is, who? Why aren't you voting them?

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Mod:

Doctor Cyanide is still voting twice.

Cs: Are you random voting? Why?

I edited the votecount from last post, so that shouldn't have been there... weird. Anyways, fixed.

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Unvote

Vote: Jag

Yabba hasn't done anything since leaving RVS. Jag seems (as Deer says) more concerned with looking good than anything else.

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Ha, I missed out "scummy" from that statement.

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What's weak about the case?

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FoS: Elias

- Just noticed that he dropped off the Yabba wagon when it stopped being big.

Jag: Who is your second suspect?
How many games have you played before?

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Let's just wagon Jag.

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RS:

. I'm uncertain about what Empking is griping about over his RV anyway, but I notice posts are being made whilst I type this.

In relation to (my) 8, Yabba never made this post?

I'm voting Jag. How is wanting to wagon Jag random?

Which players have contributed more than me?

What posts did I defend myself in?

What's "throwing suspicions around"?

Chevre: I posted the day before you.

Everyone (other than RS): Summiest player out of me or Jag?

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RS:
Why didn't you answer my questions?

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Why didn't you answer my first question?

I'm voting Jag. How is wanting to wagon Jag random?

As in the act of trying to get everyone to wagon Jag, thus ending discussion and cutting the day short, is random. Not that you suggest that a random person is voted.

What discussion was going on when I made that post? (So what discussion would I have cut short.) How does a wagon automatically lead to cutting the day short?

Which players have contributed more than me?

VibeBox, RealityFan, yabbaguy.

So a minority of players? So if a majority of players (including yourself) have contributed less than me, it seems weird that I'm the persons who's too few contributions are voteworthy.

The majority of your posts have been either defensive, pointing fingers over minor things and rather not actually trying to figure out who is scum.

That explains why I started the suspicion on Yabba who had the largest wagon yet seen in the game.

You seem to be thinking that everybody in the game is scum, instead of everybody having the possibility of being scum.

What players have I expressed suspicion of?

What posts did I defend myself in?

Post 8, 9, 10, 12, 17. About 23% of your posts.

So 23% of posts having some degree of defense is overdefensive?

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What's "throwing suspicions around"?

As in, you've been accusing people over fairly minor and trivial things (eg: a non-serious vote in RVS, changing votes in RVS to prevent possible bandwagons, saying only scum think too much about the game, not voting and not wagoning somebody) which don't seem to be that worthy of note. However, you have help generate discussion from the reactions of people from these accusations, so their not entirely useless.

Quotes for all of those please.

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Mod: I'm voting Jag

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(I'm pretty sure Jag should be on L-1)

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Sand man, when you've done your read can you do the same thing SSBF, please.

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I'm willing to say that Jag isn't too scummy.

Unvote

Thief's rubbing me the wrong way and seem too happy to go from one wagon to enough.

Vote: Thie

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Mod: Can we get a deadline?

Everyone: Top two suspects?

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Unvote
Vote: SSBF

He's always been in my top two so if he's today's lynch then I'm fine with it.