Werewolf: Wisborg Asylum: GAME OVER, Innocents Win.

[Deer]

Welp, I'm here. Nice OMGUS, chronopie.

Also, crypto, why the easjo vote?

[Deer]

Wait, Jackalope's self-voting?

vote: jackalope

[Deer]

Oh, didn't see that last post crypto. Why should I vote Chronopie?

[Deer]

Sorry, I thought you had a scumtell-based reason to do it that I hadn't seen.

but why the hell not:

vote: chronopie

[Deer]

I think reck is just following fate. Correct me if I'm wrong, I would like you to explain.

[Deer]

The first part is aimed at you. The "I would like you to explain" is aimed at Reck. Sorry for the confusion though, I see I was somewhat wrong.

By "interesting" do you mean scummy?

Anyways, though, I do want to know why Reck is pushing the wagon so hard.

[Deer]

Nobody really knows.

[Deer]

jackalope you should prolly unvote

[Deer]

Crypto, can you explain the easjo vote or will you just ignore the question again?

[Deer]

vote: reckoner

Not good enough.

[Deer]

Understood.

[Deer]

Was that an SK claim? Really?

[Deer]

Yeah, what? let's lynch Reckoner and prevent this from happening.

[Deer]

Crypto are you an SK too? Or just a possible recruit?

[Deer]

Why would we not lynch a claimed non-town?

[Deer]

Hadn't thought about a jester. Could be a possibility for sure.

[Deer]

I believe chrono just got hisself daykilled?

vote: crypto

until he explains himself - should probably wait until the mod shows up or something.

[Deer]

[quote="Jack"]I'm lynching players who are being anti-town. Scum or not, anti-town players need to die. [/b]

So you advocate policy lynching 3+ people right away?

[Deer]

@mod: I'm voting crypto

[Deer]

Well I also wasn't voting Kise at the time...

but fine:

unvote, vote: crypto

[Deer]

the fuck? it didn't show up bolded when I looked at it and then it changed to bold...ugh this

site

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mod sitting up at 5am with nothing else to do but fix your shit

Crypto, did you expect chrono to die?

[Deer]

Hahah I love you mod.

And I can't wait to hear crypto explain himself.

[Deer]

one-line posts are not a scumtell, kay?

and last time I checked, it wasn't like you had done anything at
all, easjo...

[Deer]

also, how did I take reck's claim too seriously?

[Deer]

oh yeah easjo, I forgot that posting frequently (i.e. trying to contribute to the game) was such a
huge scumtell...[/sarcasm]

[Deer]

Ok. Well, something tells me I took this game waaay too seriously to start. I thought everyone else was somewhat doing the same. Guess not, my apologies.

Anyways, Jackalope is looking worse and worse - he's saying things like:

1. People need to stop lurking.

2. When people stop lurking, they need to make posts that do two things:
A. Make sense
B. Have actual content

3. People need to stop being asshats and fake claiming and post flooding and all this other bullcrap they're pulling. All it's doing is confusing the town, which is not good for the town in the slightest bit imaginable.

(Although, I'm still somewhat convinced town is the minority, and we're all fighting against several scum factions who, collectively, out number us. I think our only hope might be to play them off against each other.)

90% of us are either lurking, making posts that have minimal content, or just plain being asshats.

Basically criticizing the town and acting like he's Mr. Pro-Town Leader. Posts like that insinuate that he's town, which is something I never like people coming out and saying.

unvote, vote: JackALope2323

[Deer]

To clarify...are you voting him because he's acting TOO "pro-town?"

No. I'm voting him because he's insinuating he's pro-town in his posts and tries to "rally up the town" by criticizing them, but his actions and scumhunting efforts aren't those of a particularly pro-town player.

[Deer]

@ Deer - On a scale of 1-10, how good of a lynch is Chrono today?

7.5. I like your case on him.

And how exactly would you get all these players from their whatever it is to actually participating?

That's not my job. My job is to find scum and lynch them. I can't find a single post of yours that shows you actually looking for scum. Trying to get other players participating is an easy way to make yourself look pro-town without scumhunting. Who is your top scum read and why?

[Deer]

...apologies...

"oof"

May have to revise my stance on Deer.

wait, what? I'm confused.

[Deer]

quotes jackalope in ISO 25 but doesn't actually go into any detail as to what is wrong with the quote

Not true, read that post and the next one after it

[Deer]

oh I forgot

Vote:Jackalope

@Deer, is that all you have to say about it when you pulled up a quote intentionally

The quote was an example of him getting mad at the town for not playing well enough. I found that scummy because, as you and I both said, there's very little scumhunting coming directly from him. What else is there to say?

Brevity is not a scumtell. I'll say this a million times.

[Deer]

Jackalope, why not suspect other lurkers/"content-less" posters like Sucrose or SpyreX?

[Deer]

Dry-fit: nothing to say about the Jackalope case?

[Deer]

SpyreX: I also like your vote on dramonic. I'm fine with my Jack vote for now, though.

Any other reason to suspect luke and lowell other than lurking?

[Deer]

If anything, it made Deer and Lowell look scummier because of the way they carried on about it.

...wha? All I said on the subject was "Wait, Jack's self-voting?" cause I hadn't noticed the vote-count. If you call that carrying on about it...

My case is based on something completely different.

Deer needs to explain himself as well. In post 180, you vote Crypto and added something off interest:

vote: crypto

until he explains himself - should probably wait until the mod shows up or something.

Do explain why you're still voting Crypto even after the mod showed up.

Because crypto never explained himself, even after the mod showed up.

[Deer]

For a clarification, what does he has to explain to you?

I mistakenly took his insinuation of a daykill seriously. He doesn't have to do that anymore.

[Deer]

@the animals (Deer, Goat, Jackalope): seriously? All of you need to take a big step back and stop giving me a headache trying to figure out your logic for every single one of your posts.

Can you provide some examples of this in relation to my posts? I don't see what's so confusing about them.

Also, Jack, why would you vote a lurker when he's obviously being replaced, especially in a post where you make cases against other people? Seems like you're searching for an easy target.

[Deer]

@Deer: Ok, first off you tell me if you see any irony in your ISO 2-3; and then compared to your ISO 4.

Don't forget that you took reck seriously on an SK claim (and asked crypto if he was claiming an SK as well) and talked about Jesters. I think my point has been made.

I didn't suspect Reck for just following the fate vote.

And yeah, I took the beginning of the game waaay too seriously, as I said before. Sue me.

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But why even resort to a vote? Why not vote someone you actually made a case on?

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Who is that "old lady," Jack? Fate?

Still don't see the case on him. If it's just because of short posts, then that shit is weak. Same thing with crypto.

[Deer]

I did understand the metaphor, just phrased it wrong -_-

who is "robbing that old lady?" is what I meant to say, haha. you still didn't answer the question, anyways.

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Jack, is active lurking (which Fate/Chrono/Crypto/xRx are not doing, by the way) the only reason you find those people scummy?

[Deer]

@ Deer, please tell me how they're NOT active lurking.

They BARELY make any posts, and the posts they DO make have little to no useful content. It's either asshattery, spam, or agreeing with somebody else.

THAT IS THE VERY DEFINITION OF ACTIVE LURKING.

Christ.

Crypto and Reck and Chrono "barely make any posts?" That's strange, because Crypto has 54 posts, Reck has 29 posts (as much as you) and Chrono has 24, not a whole lot less. Fate has 19 - not a lot, but definitely more than other players in the game.

Their content is useful enough. Why would you not focus on someone like Lowell, lukepukeduke, animorph, or SpyreX, who have low post counts? Seems like you're picking out the players with the shortest post lengths - an easy target. People who post like that often look like they aren't contributing, but I don't think it's a huge deal.

[Deer]

First, jack, answer my question.

[Deer]

Jack, you didn't answer my goddamn question. Why are you calling out Crypto/Fate/Chrono/xRx for not contributing when Lowell, LPD, SV, dram, and others have contributed much, much less?

[Deer]

Long day today. Let's see what I missed...

Oh. More scummy posts by Jack. My vote stays.

Also, I find it strange that Merk keeps talking about SpyreX's "alliance" in almost every post. Like he's eager to be considered town and wants to remind everyone that he is. Something's off about that.

[Deer]

You're just angry that you're not town. Spyre suggesting a UA is the most important thing to happen to this game. I (amished) saw it win a bastard game (with ani's shooting) essentially on it's own. I'm going to go with it as that game was the easiest win I've ever had cause I didn't do a damn thing that whole game (pretty much). I followed confirmed town-Spyre (reasoning behind the UA and meta behind the UA) that game and I'll follow him here while throwing out my own opinions (shattered and raj should die). I fully intend to follow and help Spyre here whether or not he decides to put me in the alliance. It frankly doesn't matter to me as I know how powerful it is and how good it is for the town.

That's not what I'm saying. In your game, you said yourself you followed "confirmed-town Spyre" - you realize here, Spyre is not confirmed town. If Spyre ends up being scum, we lose this game. That type of thinking is dangerous.

[Deer]

No.

Also, Reck, how did this post make you go "oh wait, no"

8|

I hate my life, so much right now.

Look, Easjo. I MEANT for that statement to be a simile. If you have a reason to not believe me, please, tell me what that is.

[Deer]

SV, is the whole pushing of the jester possibility in any way related to the news you had to to tell us earlier in the game?

[Deer]

inhim, what case do you have against me besides me acting like an idiot and taking people too seriously early in the game?

[Deer]

I guess the Jack wagon's fizzled out. Don't like that, really, but I also don't like SV's recent postings.

vote: SV

[Deer]

He has NO posts over like, five lines long.

not a scumtell

[Deer]

dear merkabah/inhim/others:

could anyone point me to something you find scummy about me that isn't me taking crypto/reck's early-game moves way too seriously? or explain why you find that scummy rather than finding it just dumb play? thanks.

love, deer

[Deer]

dear merkabah/inhim/others:

could anyone point me to something you find scummy about me that isn't me taking crypto/reck's early-game moves way too seriously? or explain why you find that scummy rather than finding it just dumb play? thanks.

love, deer

You would classify your own play as dumb?

taking that claim seriously, yes, I would call that dumb. I don't think my recent play has been, though.

[Deer]

@don_johnson: bad choice on D1, bro.

I've looked over dram, I've looked over SV, and I've realized that SV's play in other games I'm in with him (probably shouldn't discuss them, they're ongoing) is making me think this is just his natural playstyle. I'm fine with a dram lynch - worst case scenario, we lose an unhelpful townie.

unvote, vote: Dramonic

I'm not sure what SpyreX means by "BITE." Werewolf-tell?

In all seriousness, though, I like Spyre's killing list, although it's basically entirely comprised of lurkers. I gotta think there's at least one non-lurking scum in this game, and he's either Spyre or part of SpyreX's alliance.

[Deer]

Spyre, I know you've got a reputation as a funny player and you want to uphold that, but:

See that Deer post you quoted too? Yea, thats one of those leanin hard on plantin him on the killin' list posts. It sounds all beautiful and all but it really doesn't mean a thing (since it aint got that swing).

What about that post doesn't mean anything?

[Deer]

I just didn't want people thinking that your alliance was composed of all townies, since that's probably not true. Don't see how that's useless.

[Deer]

Yeah, I think a lot of those players are town.

If you want me to point specific fingers, there's you and Merk I'm iffy on. That being said, there's a whole lot better players to lynch in the days to come.

[Deer]

(RAWR OTHER HEAD)

Also: anybody that says that Spyre is scum after he formally announced the alliance is FULL O' SHIT.

Let's think about how scum win: out-survive the town, and any other scum factions.

Becoming the leader of a large block of votes, as scum, paints a huge target on his back due to the other scum team (since we know that there's werewolves and vampires and maybe something else due to the theme announcement thread post thing). That would make him dead and hurting his scum team's chances for what, one lynch, maybe two, depending on night actions? ANTI-SCUM

Also, Spyre has made an alliance in several games so far (I've {Amished} been in one of those). His meta has him always ONLY doing this as town. One game as scum is never worth enough to throw out a huge OBVIOUS town-tell for yourself, especially since you're going to be town two to three times more often than scum (given standard 25-33% scum distribution or so). To go back on it just once throws away more games than it'd even possibly win you (one).

Anybody who's said that Spyre is or could be scum (or FoS'd him) or whatever should also go on our death list since only scum is afraid of a large block of townies voting together. Town can help said block and win with us and there's no reason to buck against it like so many has.

@Spyre: This point is one of the major reasons that I would oppose Deer becoming part of the alliance and why I'll help with a dram lynch since he hasn't done shit and knows that the alliance helps way more than it hurts.

ALSO: Vote hopping to suspects is NOT a scumtell, dram. Better luck next time.

VP and I will be talking over our vote again (hopefully tonight). I'm fully in support of a dram lynch; as much as I don't like making more people claim. Since Chrono is in the alliance, SV would be the obvious choice otherwise but we'll get back to you soon-ish.

WIFOM...alliance, alliance, alliance...more WIFOM. Thinking Spyre is confirmed town is dangerous thinking.

I'm not against the alliance, but I'm against Merk.

[Deer]

If spyrex is scum, he leads this alliance to an endgame where you guys eventually have to figure out who to lynch among yourselves. You're so sure that he's town (because he has "no motivation for doing this") that you let him win in LyLo. How do you not see how that situation is dangerous? How do you not see that situation as a possibility?

[Deer]

Well I like freaky dreams.

vote: animorph

[Deer]

Well, ani, that ability seems like it needs to be stopped.

[Deer]

How is ani not lynched yet?

[Deer]

I TOLD you why it makes ZERO sense for Spyre-scum to do what he did.

1. You didn't

2. I told you why it did make sense for spyre to do it, which you conveniently never responded to

[Deer]

No, I meant actually explained why it doesn't make sense for spyre to do that as scum. I responsed to that post showing how it was craplogic.

[Deer]

Merk, you are missing the fact that he could be scum. Why do you refuse to even consider that?

[Deer]

I don't think Spyre is scum and I like the alliance and the way they've voted so far. But, when it gets to endgame, it's dangerous to trust people like Spyre as confirmed town. That's all I'm trying to say.

[Deer]

I'm on the lynch already. as you say, "lrn2read"

[Deer]

So the vote on me is cause...?

[Deer]

Well, I just don't see how it's such a huge scumtell to be somewhat anti-alliance when it comes to endgame possibilites.

You (and this is to other alliancers as well) really think there's nobody out there scummier than me?

[Deer]

Well, I just don't see how it's such a huge scumtell to be somewhat anti-alliance when it comes to endgame possibilites.

You (and this is to other alliancers as well) really think there's nobody out there scummier than me?

[Deer]

Somewhat called Merk flipping scum. He was waay too eager to be in the alliance.

Anyways, yeah. The dreams are intriguing. If dj's actually implies raj is scum, then we need to know what it was.

But yeah,

vote: raj

anyways. If kise is actually 100% serious about crypto, we need to know that too.

[Deer]

unvote

ok.

[Deer]

There's obviously more than one scumfaction here. That's what I gather from both KoC's description of the game beforehand and the kill choices (Nightson at least).

Spyre what do you think about Merk's flip?

[Deer]

By "are recruiting" do you mean did it N1? Or is it happening at some sort of later date?

vote: SpyreX.

Why can't I get a dream?

[Deer]

If dry-fit's dream is real, I can totally see why SpyreX is lying about his.

[Deer]

Cool.

Well this infection certainly seems like it would require a lynching. Reck's dream was accurate and I'd bet this one is too.

Oh and so mod doesn't get mad at me again,

unvote, vote: SpyreX

[Deer]

Deer slobbering all over a result on me that makes no sense but ignoring the one that says he's innocent? Check.

What else is there to say about the dream that says I'm innocent? It's true, but I didn't think I need to shout it out to the world. Also, why do you believe the dream that you had that said SV was innocent and not the one DJ had that said I was?

And you say Dry-fit's dream doesn't make sense? We don't know how the dreams work, honestly.

Note: I'm not a werewolf and I haven't had any PM's that would insinuate that I've been bitten at this point which should have happened if this was a N1 dream.

Look. You've been caught, especially by someone who you say is one of the most pro-town people in the game (I agree with that too actually). You might as well give up now.

[Deer]

What's up with everyone saying dreams are only accurate 50% of the time? So far, they've been 100% right.

Also, @SpyreX:

Really? Really? Yes, I am omgusing Deer in bizarro world where I've been all over his ass since the getgo.

This is blatantly false. You said:

I absolutely can't make up my mind about Deer. He makes me itch in that bad way but it doesn't have the BITE I need.

Then, once I voiced my opinions against my alliance, you turned against me.

Your claim is a little too convenient, IMHO, especially with Dry-fit's dream.

But a Spyre lynch today both gives us input on the reliability of the dreams and hopefully, another lynched scum.

Kise's DNA business is...weird. He implies it's role-based, so I'm willing to believe it too for now. Either one of them can die today, but I'd prefer to see Spyre first.

And I like the new alliance.

[Deer]

Yeah, but it just seems too easy, doesn't it?

[Deer]

Nice.

vote: crypto

By the way, don't be so quick to include SV in the alliance. Spyre could have very easily been covering up for his scumbuddy with this dream business.

[Deer]

hey kise wtf

[Deer]

So guys can you help me understand something?

N1: Two NKs (not counting ani)

N2: 0 NKs, but two poisonings

N3: 1 NK

So can the separate scumfactions (I assume werewolf/vampire) either choose to kill someone in the night or poison someone during the day? Does that mean we're getting a poisoning today?

And about Kise, I think I kind of believe him for now. I get the feeling he's somewhat honest. It seems way too ballsy to throw something like that out as scum knowing it'll lead to a townie lynch, but then again, he could be running some sort of crazy scam and I'm just getting played like a fiddle.

[Deer]

I also have a feeling the dreams are somewhat random, at least w/r/t the targets. But, they've been remarkably accurate. I'm not counting Kise's scene, but the dreams about SpyreX, ani, and myself were all true. I assume the others are too.

[Deer]

Yay I <3 Nacho.

Spyre's dream could go both ways. It's a huge pile of WIFOM the way I see it.

vote: raj

. I'm getting bad vibes.

[Deer]

What's the harm in saying it now?

[Deer]

Hey Goat, I won't lynch you immediately if you tell me everything you know.

[Deer]

My antlers are powerful.

[Deer]

My antlers are powerful.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7R5OvzrXr9E

<3

[Deer]

I wish he told us more

anyways, yeah,

re-vote: rajasdfouahsrawu9h3r08234r

[Deer]

23. Merkabah - Vampire (convert)

How do you know he was converted?

[Deer]

Dreams have been good and useful.

vote: Sucrose

[Deer]

I like 48 hour nights.

[Deer]

vote: Kise

[Deer]

O hey I'm back. Any dreams?

VOTE: My Milked Eek for now.

[Deer]

RC, what makes you think the scum would automatically clear one of their partners with a fake dream? Why not clear someone they know to be town? That's what I'm willing to bet Spyre did with dryfit.

[Deer]

Yeah, no dream.

I could be okay with a massclaim although it does feel slightly early.

[Deer]

*coughOMGUScough* MME

[Deer]

Whatever. I was town.

I stopped caring about halfway through. The dreams made it too easy.