ZazieR wrote:@RFreak, how come no reaction to Sucrose's case against you? Because when I see her case, it seems she's wrong. I'm surprised you didn't point this out.
Also, your points for Jack set off my gut by a lot.
sucrose... well i know shes wrong and if i try to defend myself too much and attack her for saying what she said then its going to look OMGUS. i was also curious if anyone would jump with her to lynch me.
things ive learned since i started playing is that 1. im awesome in end games, 2. i get killed early, 3. its really easy to lynch me because i say stupid stuff.
so with those conclusions all i know that if i get into a shouting match with sucrose about lynching scummy players whether or not they should be lynched regardless of alignment is not helpful to the town. because i wont convince her and the more i talk the stupider i sound even though im right. if she is scum then she will get what she was trying to achieve, an easy lynch.
but i will state my opinion once again.
we should not allow players to stay in the game when they are stirring things up. especially when the stirring isnt catching scum.
last note on sucrose, i think she is scum though and though. but as we have seen people have given her a pass, probably because of the little pink thing under her avatar. im just taking notes and observing it for future reference for when i have more evidence to lynch her.
ZazieR wrote:Secondly, RFreak. What made you vote Jack between posts 373 and 402, which were both made by you? Also, it's noted how you didn't respond to his explanation of the difference between his RVS vote and xRECKx 'spam during the RVS'. Want to explain why?
im trying to defend jack, i thought he was acting, or atleast trying to play with the towns interest in mind.
he then votes a lurker. which is not helpful. we have multiple scum candidates among us and we should pursue those instead of dragging up the 15 lurkers/semilurkers
he then argues with me in two posts about how his actions were ok since it was in the RVS stage. i really think RVS is bullshit and should never be used as an excuse or even mentioned in a game. thats why i didnt get into an argument with him on why his allowed and how RECKs isnt. ive been in those discussions before and i know the outcome, everyone takes the side of the precious RVS and im let out in the cold and get lynched, its happened multiple times, multiple alignments. i personally think neither of them should be allowed.
since you are trying to get it out of me then here it is, im not arguing with any one, RVS is over we have enough to go on than to talk about game theory on how mafia should start:
<RVS rant>
the inherent problem of RVS stage is that scum always have ulterior motives and we make a stage that promotes this.
then we play games and newish members get caught up in it and day one vote is usually someone that gets caught in this limbo of RVS and voting stage. and gets crucified for not understanding that RVS is over. when is RVS over? it doesnt say in the wiki. thats because its over when someone feels like its over.
then there is the last person who votes, are they supposed to random vote too? if every vote is truly random then there should be nothing to go off of after RVS. because if a wagon happens the person should just shrug it off and say, "im not scum" and thats it because there is no reasoning for the wagon.
so why have a RVS if in its purist form would achieve nothing?
thats why you should always have a reason for any vote. because each vote is one more to lynching someone. do jurys on murder cases random vote when they enter the trial?
one might ask, how should we start games? well a lengthy discussion on the mechanics so everyone are on the same page on the rules of the game. from that we would have a good feel for the players and might know who might be hiding, who is lurking, and of course there will always be some random voters that will throw votes out. we then wagon someone, get a claim. maybe wagon another and get a claim and then lynch. success.
/end rant
so i said jack is fairly town because he is voting for players that are not helping the town. if you arnt helping the town then you are helping the scum. i gave him a pass on his action in RVS because everyone participates and i cant vote everyone in RVS.
but he keeps arguing with me about it. i just mentioned that he did it and i dont appreciate it but everything else has been ok.
but he wouldnt get it into his head that self voting isnt not helping the town, it applies a vote on someone that you know is innocent. again that is not in the towns interest.
but jack kept blaming it on RVS. really are you biting the hand that was helping you? take my criticism on dont self vote EVER and move on.
i understand the purpose of RVS, but it shouldnt be an excuse. again if we blame it on RVS then we dont get anywhere.
i voted for my scum partner, its ok it was in RVS
i spamed the boards, its ok it was RVS
i drunk posted and accidentally revealed my partners, its ok it was in RVS
i left all my reasoning at the door and voted using a die, its ok it was in RVS
this whole time he was really cracking under the pressure of the votes, which seamed like scum scrambling. decided that me voting for him and progressing his bandwagon might be helpful to get a claim.
then we got a load of people dropping out scared of how the wagon progressed, which is very interesting. since jack didnt change his stance at all.
why am i back on RECK, hes playing horrible not in the towns interest and none of his post have been helpful. not to mentioned Jack's wagon died when scum alpha ran away to save their partner. so scum beta or serial killer, or jester is fine lynch to be on.
