Werewolf: Wisborg Asylum: GAME OVER, Innocents Win.

[SpyreX]

Milking Eeks are fun and profitable.

And holy hell HI CRYPTO suppp

I dont have anything witty since I'm tired so I'm not random voting take that masses.

[SpyreX]

Anything witty to go along with a random vote SHEESH.

(as an aside after my first game with you Fate I thought you were crypto funny how that works huh).

(then I thought you were Nik but thats also not true soo).

(hi)

[SpyreX]

I even, out of boredom, tried to sleuth some in the other game and I THOUGHT I had it (Nik) but then it didn't add up because you were both in the game together.

You sir, are an enigma.

A delicious engima wrapped in bacon.

Someday. Someday.

[SpyreX]

Welll you're voting for me hater so no.

Actually, I'd love about (since its 25 players and all) about a 12-13 page 2-week max day 1. That'd be sweeeeet.

[SpyreX]

Soo... Reck is playing at slappywags, dragging?? crypto with him?

Crypto says there is some inkling of truth to whats going on.

We're at 9 pages of sheer madhattery.

I'm going to bed. I want the madness to be at a low simmer - Chrono looks like a far better lynch than Reck-to BUT I don't even think everyone has posted yet?

[SpyreX]

I've been covered in RL hate and I see we've got some pages.

Should I even TRY to look back?

[SpyreX]

Yes, I believe you should. The sooner the better because you're making me uneasy (VP).

I almost was ready to declare you for lynching for lyin' there but there is some choice tidbits:

Chrono is probably town.
Crypto is probably town.
Fate is probably town.
YOU are probably town.
Dry-fit is probably town.

Normally this would be allaince time buttt I need to sink my teeth in more before I get fully there.

Jack isn't a terrible lynch but:

Unvote, Vote: Dramonic

I am unapologetically voting for powernothing hypocrisy notwithstanding.

I'd also add to the murderin' list:

lukepukeduke
lowell

[SpyreX]

Of my two lists:

1.) You commented on the part I'm far less interested in.
2.) You took the easy road on the first - why, especially, no dry-fit.

I'm watchin you buddy.

[SpyreX]

@Merk:

Chrono is a very visceral call. Its just the way everything adds together leaning far on the side of "Town making a set of odd moves" versus "Scum pretending to make a set of odd moves".

If you agree, lets get a Dramonicin'

[SpyreX]

Lowell is a non-entity and actually the least suspicious in the 'lynchin' sense but great in the 'killin' sense.

Luke is the embodiment of white noise.

[SpyreX]

@Spyre: We've been debating it back and forth; so it's a possibility. Like we said, the claim (mainly) wasn't something I'd expect as a town reaction but we'll go with it *for now*.

What do you think of adding Fate if you do suggest an UA?

He's on the list yo'

@Dry-fit: Dramonic, yes no?

[SpyreX]

@SypreX: Oh, lookee there, Fate is on the list.. /facepalm Are you officially declaring an alliance or are you still thinking about it and who else should be on it?

I'm thinking a bit more - it might be a wizbang to start d2 orrr before the end.

FTR: Jack and FC are not scum together. I'm not sure either way yet individually but.

[SpyreX]

@Spyre: Can we lynch rajrchp-fl;sfjdl; tomorrow? Or even today?

That is becoming a possibility. Definitely not before dram.

Chrono is still town.
I'm actually starting to lean town on Jack too. I'd still put a BULLET there but.

[SpyreX]

Vote's stayin on Jack. Interested in hearing why Spy thinks he is more and more town (just because of the whole random lynch all lurkers battle cry out of nowhere?)

Its the style of madness. He actually

believes

what he is saying.

That said, give me dramonic today and if dram isn't scum I'd acquiesce tomorrow.

[SpyreX]

The only way Fate is scum is if at least one of team "Fate is scum, no vote" is.

Which really has nothing to do with dramonic.

...I'm tentatively happy with inHim.

[SpyreX]

I would like clear and clean reasons from each person individually on that Jack wagon.

If you're feeling lazy I will also accept votes for Dramonic.

[SpyreX]

Goddddddd you have no idea how aggravating it is trying to fight to keep him alive based on that bad town itch.

JackALope2323: 8 (Lowell, Deer, Fate, easjo682, The Goat, rajrhcpfreak, xRECKONERx, crypto)

Part of my issue is some of those on that wagon. A lot. I don't smell bus from this and there is some sketchy there.

[SpyreX]

Ani if you think I'm town and want to man up join the train CHOO CHOO.

Jack, take a deep breath. Realize that if you're town chances are high the arguing is also town.

[SpyreX]

? Wrong wagon kemosabe.

[SpyreX]

OHHHH I see. This happens a lot. You just misspelled dramonic.

Just try it again. It'll work better I promise.

[SpyreX]

HOLD up.

Crypto, did I miss something? If you can show me Jack saying self voting is scummy and voting himself I'll turn this bus right around and he goes bye-bye.

[SpyreX]

Sorry for getting your hopes up, Spyre.

You should be. That would have been slam dunk.

Thats good, it's always good to see someone who is comforatble with being lynched, it's even better when they explictly say so.

Whaaaatttttttttttttt

[SpyreX]

@ SpyreX: Who do you think is likely to be scum, but who is unlikely to be lynched today?

Well lets not get too ahead of the game, yet. Reck is starting to be a prime target that I dont think I'll get to today.

SpyreX, I've yet to hear a reason why you are so eager to bathe in my visceraes.

Well, you being scum should be a good enough one. You know what you've done (or, more aptly, not done).

@SV:

Jester speculation doesn't help anyone. Ever. If there is a jester chances are REAL high that it wont end the game and you lynch and move on and go "wow, we lost to a role that wins if they get lynched and thus acted as though they should be lynched what a shocker" and then concentrate on winning the game and yelling at the mod after.

Any kind of speculation along the lines of "WHAT IF ITS A SCUM SUPERBOMB THAT KILLS US ALL KEKEKE" isn't helpful because its a variable that can't be controlled for.

[SpyreX]

RC's post is pretty useful overall and I kinda get them town vibes.

I'm more than a little baffled at your response about JESTERS FROM THE RAFTERS and why its not a helpful thing TM to worry about.

[SpyreX]

While normallly I'd be all for a SV move there's a couple things that have me concerned in that bad way:

1.) Look how quick this went off already.
2.) While i thought he was town, this has me MEGA PARANOIDU:

I find myself agreeing with Fate on this one.

Unvote, Vote Shattered Viewpoint A little less (meaningless) posting, a little moar action please.

--

Shattered seems to be lynch bait across all his games right now.

I mean I'll kill anyone but I'm not getting that warm fuzzy feeling in my belly from this at the mo'

[SpyreX]

@ SpyreX - lynchbait or not, he's scummy. Focusing on lynching a jester for no logical reason is a viable scum strategy (although a dumb one) because it gets the town to waste their day. The fact that he voted the suspected jester shows that he doesn't even know what he's talking about.

Secondly, Fate is right to point out the never delivered dramonic iso. Empty promises of content so he can sluff his way onto what is perceived to a be a hot wagon is a scummy move. What is worse is that he has now come in with a dramonic vote!

Sorry I didn't detail that right - it worries me more about Chrono than SV.

I'll acquiesce today. Dramonic would be a good viggin' tho'

Unvote, Vote: SV

[SpyreX]

Ok look I want someone dead. Dram or SV, shoot the other tonight, we dance a happy dance.

Everyone wins!

GOOOo

[SpyreX]

Dude thats not fair - I mean, after "Crypto and Fate have the same playstyle = charles manson" I'd shoot him BUTTT I still think he's town.

[SpyreX]

Ok, you win.

Between apples and b52 bombers and that I surrender.

I'd STILL prefer one of the others but yea I'm done defending this.

[SpyreX]

I'll seriously lynch ANY of those three today.

And yea if I'm wrong about Jack AND you jerks lynch me all I ask is that you kill the hell out of Dramonic because seriously that was the best reeeeaccch for the stars FoS ever my lord LETS GET KILLIN PEOPLE NOW

[SpyreX]

Ok.

Follow me here:

Someone needs to die.

Soon.

Or else.

[SpyreX]

IF we could pull together a dram lynch I'd super like it for SECRET INFORMATION

[SpyreX]

Ohh good meta talk yeee-haw!

And yea I'd like to see that lynch. SV has some interesting bits to pull out but there's some awesome interaction around the Dram if Dram-scum that would be sweeeet to get.

But, its also well past that pointe' where I can pull together a lot of caring.

[SpyreX]

<3 Fate

Annnnddddd

I thought I was voting Jack

Unvote, Vote: Jack

As for "OHH NOES SPYREX NOT LIVIN UP TO THE HYPE":

Too bad. We should have lynched like 10 pages ago. This isn't helpful and I've been pretty clear about the whole not caring at the mo'.

That'll change. Trust me.

[SpyreX]

If my goal was not garnering attention as this page says I've done a bangup job!

Orrrrrrrr, maybe just maybe, its like I said. Jack, Dram, SV. Whomever, dont care they can eat ropos.

I'd prefer Dram by a margin but I doubt its happening and that doesn't matter as much as ENDING THE DAY ALREADY.

So, yea, if SV is winning the race fine - I did think I was voting Jack though.

Unvote, Vote: SV

[SpyreX]

MMMmmmMmmmmm meta is delicious.

I ask only if I get pushed on OMG meta and I do, in fact, flip town that the meta-ers get carpet bombed.

I'm not by my machines but I have a revelation:

SV? Probably town.
Jack? Probably town.
Dramonic? Still scum.

Unvote, Vote: Dramonic

My inability to bite deeper doesn't change these simple truths: neither SV's vanilla claim NOR Jack's active antagonism make for good scum maneuvers in this game.

I'd guarantee that the majority of scum are in the quieter half of this game.

My vote isn't moving unless its to stop a no lynch. Yea, if I'm wrong about Jack lynch me blah blah but I'm not buying it. THE FOOT GOES DOWN HERE.

[SpyreX]

That is it.

You guys drove me to the brink: I reread this thread.

Good lord this is an f-- day and it needs to go. There is so much white noise and NO U that

However, because it needs to be done:

ALLIANCE TIME

Chrono
Fate
Merkabah
Dry-fit
ReaperCharlie
Crypto

I'm confident of that set. Very confident.

Additionally, this is the killin' list:

Dramonic
Lukepuke
rajrhcpfreak
Lowell
easjo
MME

I am going to get outvoted by team awesome but after the reread the more I think BOTH SV and Jack are town. However, if I am outvoted by team alliance win I will vote them.

Again, I reiterate that Dramonic is scum and the only reason I'm not going into SUPER DETAIL on why I think so is because its so much gut and subjective business I would rather not get my lynch today than drag this out for another 30 pages.

Additionally I would watch for alliance overtones of joinination: inHim, Nightson

I absolutely can't make up my mind about Deer. He makes me itch in that bad way but it doesn't have the BITE I need.

The rest? They need to polarize. There are a few of them I get that sniff of town but no way in hell would I not kill them at this juncture NOR will I expand upon why I think they are town until the time is right.

So it is written.

[SpyreX]

Good play? No.
Town play? Yes. Like I said before he

believes

it. In a way I don't think is faked.

HOWEVER, I will not stand in the way of it. Just don't be surprised when you get a huge I told you so when he flips town.

[SpyreX]

I've seen it too and like I said its a gut call and if I'm outvoted I'm not gonna rage over it.

..... 726 is awesome?

[SpyreX]

Randomly switching votes (like SpyreX is doing) makes me SUPER suspicious. Even though there are a number of good lynch targets, it's still suspicious behavior because it shows non-committal tendencies and no conviction toward lynching any one particular party, so long as SOMEONE gets lynched. Not to mention he's been pinging my scumdar all game (admittedly since Chronopie said 'Vote: SpyreX because he always flies under the radar, but for other reasons as well).

One big issue here: my vote switches aren't random kemosabe'.

Even when I want the day to end I'm still not pushing certain directions.

See that Deer post you quoted too? Yea, thats one of those leanin hard on plantin him on the killin' list posts. It sounds all beautiful and all but it really doesn't mean a thing (since it aint got that swing).

[SpyreX]

"ONE OF THESE SEVEN PEOPLE MAY BE SCUM"

[SpyreX]

When push comes to shove maaybbeee 1 or 2 of that list is scum. Maaaybeee.

Chances are real high they be town yo.

And I never said it was ULTIMATE PERFECT TOWN ALLIANCE.

Its just a group of dudes I'm pretty sure done be town that are gonna mow through the rest of you chuckleheads and hopefully not have to pull out knives on each other.

And if you're gonna go there might be scum there you done better be ready to point a finger in a specific direction.

Or, like I said, useless.

[SpyreX]

Feel the power. Feel the warmth.

I have plans for the next few days. Important and awesome plans.

We will be triumphant.

[SpyreX]

Ohh yea and potential roles that may or may not make people not become the dead:

Dont you dare come near me. Ever.

I want them to take the shot.

And if there's an SK in the game and he's gonna play make believe vig - don't you dare shoot any of my alliance. Thats a hangin' crime 'round here.

[SpyreX]

While I, true, haven't pulled this stunt as scum YET its only because the bubbles have never meshed right for it to work since that great day when it sparked in my head. It'd be much harder to pull off as scum but it would be awesome.

However, this has nothing to do with the

fear

of me being "confirmed town" versus "looking for scum".

Deer is on the short list.

[SpyreX]

I can't believe how wrong I was about SV he dies tomorrow if not sooner.

[SpyreX]

My brothers in the the Alliance most powerful:

I propose we move this one level higher. A level that will truly inspire fear and awe.

For the next few days let us truly proxy our votes. The member who will then wield the megavote can change based on a limited amount of discussion.

Let us cleave through the wastes.

THAT SAID:

@Reck:

You had a dream? Not a function of your power?

[SpyreX]

And it was in yellow?

Hmmm, fair enough.

TODAY ALLIANCE LET US MOVE:

Unvote, Vote: Ani

[SpyreX]

We'll see. Doubly so since this was a dream and not part of your powers.

I haven't forgot about SV either but I want to see really what we're working with this setup.

[SpyreX]

SHEESH

Chrono
Fate
Merkabah
Dry-fit
ReaperCharlie
Crypto

And one hath bitten the dust soo

[SpyreX]

OHHHH it wasn't a hammer it was lol, reactions. ALL IS MADE CLEAR.

You're on my short list there compadre'.

Sniping at Merk is tech and all but lets go ahead and get ani lynched now.

Unless you'd prefer...yourself?

[SpyreX]

If Ani hadn't KILLED ONE OF MY ALLIANCE MEMBERS then maybe sure.

As it sits, no way. And the other points about the creature versus a lunatic bear witness.

Needless to say we'll need another flip or two before things get locked down.

Oddly enough, I kinda like raj's pure juevos in throwing a vote down on me for being anti-town. Not enough that I wont make him rope for it. Enough that it might not be right away.

Ani dies. Period. There's no reason to drag this out.

[SpyreX]

No, see, a phase with a lockdown that is going to give us an important piece of information - namely, the coloring and HOPEFULLY enough from ani's alignment to guage where those kills came from is worth pushing through a day.

Discussion is good when discussion needs to happen. Expedience is good when there's a reason to be expedient.

I'm more than a little paranoid with those two kills both having the ??? flavor. I want to tie down what is going on with ani in relation to that.

So, yes. I want this day done. Period.

[SpyreX]

You know my favorite part of this?

The simple fact that "What if he was scum??!?!?!?!?!" is a cop-out that could be applied to everything, ever.

Someone's on a wagon? WHAT IF HE IS SCUM OHH NOES!

Give a real reason for me being scum. Double points for explaning the deaths in relation to that.

Or, go on the short list. The real, real short list.

See, wanna know what the best part about having an alliance is? You can't stop it. Kill me and my will still will be done.

So, what I'm getting at team "OHH NOES HE KOULD BE SKUM I PROMISE:" put up, or shut up.

[SpyreX]

Reck I've got one fairly important question for you before I can reaallly think about putting you up in front of the board of directors:

What changed your opinion on me this game?

[SpyreX]

Hrmmm, one more question:

Is there anything you can think of why you, specifically, got the result for the night action? (Yes, I'm assuming it was an action and not a random act of Mod that handed us ani).

[SpyreX]

Note: if ani is part of a faction, like I'm thinking, SV dies. Period.

[SpyreX]

Major vig cred in killing SV tonight, fyi.

(I say cred because those kills SURE BETTER NOT be from a Vig FFS)

[SpyreX]

Hrrrmmmmm.

Fair enough. I'll be thinking about this. Maybe give me a little BLOOD LUST and we'll see.

[SpyreX]

Wellllllllll

I had a dream.

That dream said SV is innocent.

BOoooo.

On the plus side it looks like the results are just delayed instead of truly janitored.

THAT SAID:

Reck is tech. I'd love to know the thought process behind the mystery dreams but I'm down.

Deer or Raj sound really good. Deer by a small margin.

Vote: Deer

[SpyreX]

Sir yes sir.

Don't play coy there Mr Deer. You know.

[SpyreX]

Ok are either of those AWESOME votes in the Reck yesterday sense orrr ?

Because if its the former, awesome. If its the latter, I direct you to 917 and voting Deer.

[SpyreX]

I'm really tired am I missing something amazingly obvious?

[SpyreX]

I guess I was asking in an unclear way if those were dream-votes OR if it was just lazy(awesome) standard votes.

That said.. what?

I need waaay more details than that before I jump on a cryptograph.

[SpyreX]

I need that explained asap.

I think we done have us a scum (maaaybe two) on this page. It is delicious.

Of course Deer is still scum too so got what a conundrum.

[SpyreX]

Errr Merk daypoisioned and a vampire?

Something is absolutely not adding up with the kills, much less the choices.

Deer is Innocent? God damnit.

How many dreams does that make for today too?

@Crypto:
What is the dealio with the dream mechanic versus Kise's (and he better clarify) DNA business.

[SpyreX]

I'm surprised - not because of the flip BUT because of the kill choices considering.

[SpyreX]

It makes me giggle inside how ridiculous some of this page is.

Deer slobbering all over a result on me that makes no sense but ignoring the one that says he's innocent? Check.

easjo bemoaning the alliance and calling it anti-town (hint: its not even if there was a scum in it) and in the same post saying they believe MY dream (even though I'd be lord of the anti-town, rite?) Check.

Deer's lowball questions that I'll go ahead and answer but don't change much? Check.

can you expand on this? i'm not really following?

I guess I need to map out the kills and what factions have claimed what (and what, by nature, doesn't make sense).

So I may be wrong about it not making sense but with a Merk flip alliance kills are BAD for the vamps in general - it weakens any strength he had in the position.

Which means we've got some weird interaction - because you can be guaranteed that the poisoner is a.) not town and b.) not part of the alliance.

AS for the new issue on the table:

Dry-fits dream (note: not dry-fit who is still awesome and town) doesn't make sense on the surface level.

The other dreams mimick standard abilities: thus far, we have cop-style investigations.

Dry-fits dream would ALMOST be a track but it doesn't give who visited me but gives WHY they visited AND what faction they are? Rigghttt. I think we done have us a night-talker and I have a theory but we'll see how it all pans out.

Note: I'm not a werewolf and I haven't had any PM's that would insinuate that I've been bitten at this point which should have happened if this was a N1 dream.

So, things that need to happen in the near future:
1.) Compilation of dreams per night.
2.) Compilation of kills and flavor and which ones have been claimed by where.
3.) Kise coming in and saying what the hell is going on for 100% sure (cryptos response is town as hell soo).
4.) Deer, easjo and Lowell eating bullets. Lowell's 985 reaaly hurts the brainstem.

[SpyreX]

Note I haven't moved my vote from deer because, get this, some of those dreams are NOT town generated.

Looking at the dream on me it still doesn't make sense and I'm more than a little perturbed at how quickly this wagon is choo-chooing with other factors that need to be figured out like Kise's DNA business.

But, again:

The dream on me wasn't a track. It wasn't an investigation. It was a combination of the two that, additionally, said why they were visiting me.

How in the hell is that balanced? How would someone even target that?

Take that in conjunction with the "Deer is innocent" dream and you've got a nice little scum sandwich: the largest voice against deer silenced (and, of course, dry-fit is the only link to why and he's town as all getout) AND a cleared scum.

This is garbage and I'm not happy watching the rope go this way. Lynch Deer. IF, somehow, deer isn't scum I'd gladly take the rope tomorrow.

But I guarantee that not all those dreams are true.

[SpyreX]

@ SpyreX: We'll find out soon enough whether the 'dream' about you is true, and I'm perfectly fine with lynching you at this point. Deer can wait until tomorrow. If you flip werewolf scum we can re-evaluate our position on Deer, but you die first, get it?

Wooof good lord.

I am a

Priest

. My prayers make someone

untargettable

by the supernatural. I can't pray for the same person twice in a row BUT I can pray for my own salvation.

Which I did N1.
And xReck N2.

So that dream is full of garbage because they couldn't have targetted me N1.

So, like I said, lynch Deer. The garbage dream AND the Deer is innocent dream definitely make the most sense in trying to "clear" Deer.

[SpyreX]

Also, I still don't see why SpyreX is pushing for a Deer lynch. It seems like mere omgus if nothing else. And if anything, were I in SpyreX's spot, I would be going after crypto, who is the next most likely lynch.

What SpyreX is doing does NOT MAKE SENSE, regardless of whether his claim is half-believable or not. Which is another reason why I'm voting SpyreX and not someone else.

Really? Really? Yes, I am omgusing Deer in bizarro world where I've been all over his ass since the getgo.

I'm not going after crypto because I still think crypto is town. Although since Kise has cleared up his business its looking like a 1-1 there but even then I'd still lean towards Kise hard first if it has to be tested.

Those dreams, guaranteed, are not all true. Especially since, if somehow my dream was true, there would be some kind of corresponding dream similar for the next night. Which there isn't. Its just ohh hay there's three cop-dreams and then some kinda bizarro dream but sure they all work.

MME is a bastion of sanity and if activity stays up I would put his as my absolute #1 town read.

[SpyreX]

No, MME isn't buying into the all dreams are real business.

I dont think I've seen eye to eye but YEA I'm sure enough you're town that even with DNA gate I'd bet on the other side.

[SpyreX]

Yessir I was. I might not have been had dry-fit mentioned his N1 dream then because at that point it would have been obvious the dreams were garbage.

Why is SV in your new alliance? Does, in fact, my dream have anything to do with that?

HRRMMM its a mystery isn't it.

[SpyreX]

Just so we're clear in 1053:

1.) Reaper believes I am a werewolf since day 2.
2.) Reaper STILL BELIEVES my dream.
3.) Reaper believes my claim but says I would doctor the results.

So, in essence I'm scum since day 2 but everything I'm saying is the truth. Just want that to sink in.

And, even more important lets look at this:

And I like the new alliance.

This is from this guy:

Also, I find it strange that Merk keeps talking about SpyreX's "alliance" in almost every post. Like he's eager to be considered town and wants to remind everyone that he is. Something's off about that.

That's not what I'm saying. In your game, you said yourself you followed "confirmed-town Spyre" - you realize here, Spyre is not confirmed town. If Spyre ends up being scum, we lose this game. That type of thinking is dangerous.

In all seriousness, though, I like Spyre's killing list, although it's basically entirely comprised of lurkers. I gotta think there's at least one non-lurking scum in this game, and he's either Spyre or part of SpyreX's alliance.

I just didn't want people thinking that your alliance was composed of all townies, since that's probably not true. Don't see how that's useless.

If spyrex is scum, he leads this alliance to an endgame where you guys eventually have to figure out who to lynch among yourselves. You're so sure that he's town (because he has "no motivation for doing this") that you let him win in LyLo. How do you not see how that situation is dangerous? How do you not see that situation as a possibility?

Well, I just don't see how it's such a huge scumtell to be somewhat anti-alliance when it comes to endgame possibilites.

You (and this is to other alliancers as well) really think there's nobody out there scummier than me?

Thats not even all of them. The one thing this game by volume Deer has talked about the most is the alliance and how its cruise control for a scum win.

Hmm, what changed?

Seriously. And no one calls him out on it. Awesome.

[SpyreX]

Actually one more thing:

Dry-fit, what EXACTLY did your dream say?

[SpyreX]

I'm still sour grapes about how my part went down. I get bit and the dream a.) gave the size of the werewolves and b.) gave an investigation result to a third party before I even knew it.

Grrr

[SpyreX]

And the original alliance? All town.

[SpyreX]

Well YEA the killin list isn't near as perfect D1 since a lot of it was chaff that had to go.

I'm still pretty sure Deer was scum though. Must have been an oversight.