Mini 974: Thrillville Mafia - Over

[Timeater]

oh look the thread isn't locked

[Timeater]

oh wait nevermind its D1

vote:crymeariver

STUPID FRENCHIE

[Timeater]

I'm not French? LOL

YES YOU ARE, DONT LIE.

Answer to CMAR: I'll answer that question if you answer first.

[Timeater]

I'm not French? LOL

YES YOU ARE, DONT LIE.

Answer to CMAR: I'll answer that question if you answer first.

[Timeater]

sorry for the double post

Vote: Timeater
YOU EAT PEOPLE NAMED 'TIM'?

WOOOOW KID READ MY WIKI

DOESN'T ANYONE READ THE WIKI

@Tim: I'm not asking for you to post what you voted, I'm asking your opinion on all of us posting what we voted.
I think we should, but I don't think scum will answer truthfully either way.

I know how to read. And since you answered (although it was a halfass and blase answer), I will be true to my word and giveth mine. Even though you are french.

I dont see the harm in it. Animorph obviously constructed the game so whatever you vote for has pros and cons, the line of what might be good and what might be bad is ambiguous enough for people to have civil discussions about it.

[Timeater]

Questions (since I know you love them):
Do you have any town reads yet?
Do you enjoy short walks on the beach?
Why are you dubious and does that make me expect you to be scummy?
Why do you eat Tim and then deny him the respect of admitting it?

Qu'est-ce que c'est, frenchie?

1. No.
2. No.
3. Iunno.
3. Maybe.

Now a question for you, monsieur. Do you find it useful to ask useless questions?

[Timeater]

Why do you insist I am French (this is part of the reason I posted "usually" lol)

You WOULD say that. Thats what the FRENCH always say.

When it comes to sniffing out stinking frenchmen I have a sixth sense. I can just tell. On a cool windy day, if the humidity is just right, I can smell a gaul from a mile away. Ahh, life is good. Joie de vivre!

[Timeater]

unvote

Vote: Andrius

[Timeater]

Not like I'm complaining, but why is my wagon so appealing, lol?

Shrug, I like Shallibe's case. Or whatever monicker he goes by. Apart of this is me being a little lazy and delegating the hunting process to another so I can gauge other stuff. I'm starting to think I can only handle one game at a time. Anyhoo, I will try my best though.

I HAVE A QUESTIONAIRE PLEASE ANSWER IT EVERYONE THANK YOU VERY MUCHLY

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1. What option did you vote for, 1 or 2?
2. Do you think animorph is a good mod?
3. What do you think is most important when voting on roles?

[Timeater]

1. I don't know.
2. Yes.
3. ...getting good roles? What's this supposed to mean?

1. You bother to answer the questionaire but not really answer the question? Why? Would it be so hard to ask the mod what the dude you are replacing voted for?

2. Was I not clear? (please answer that question). What is your decision making process when it comes to voting in new roles? What defines what you think is good? Aside from this day-start, everyone votes in what power-roles they want in the game during the night. So?

[Timeater]

lolwut.

unvote
vote: Timeater


I voted for Macho Cop and Normal Doc.
animorpherv1 is a perfectly acceptable mod! Thanks for the game, ani.
Information first.

Willing to throw aside your entire case just because I was honest about my own laziness? Interesting.

Unvote, Vote Timeater for jumping on the Andrius wagon for no reason and responding with

'Shrug, I like Shallibe's case'

when asked why he voted.

He also said he would say what he voted for if CryMeARiver disclosed. CMAR did and Timeater still hasn't shared his vote despite having no problem asking everyone else.

I'm kind of suspicious of Super Smash Bros. Fan too becuase he was the guy who was against the whole revealing thing and yet he just disclosed without hesitation.

What else did I say? Lets take a gander:

"Apart of this is me being a little lazy and delegating the hunting process to another so I can gauge other stuff. I'm starting to think I can only handle one game at a time. Anyhoo, I will try my best though."

Is my blunt honesty about my delegation of scumhunting to another person really a scumtell? Some days I cant spend 1-2 hours on mafiascum, which is about what it takes me to really "go all in" into a game intellectually. I jumped a wagon shamelessly, I admit that. So?

Point 2...Right, nobody has asked me what I voted for yet. Just because I pose the question to everyone else does not automatically oblige me to share my views. I wanted to see if Cry would ask the same of me, like I did earlier to him, before he answered my questionaire. He did not. Anyway, I voted for option 1.

1. Is a Macho Cop (can't be protected by Doctors, won't be told the difference) and a normal Doctor

2. Is a Normal Cop, and a Doctor who can't protect cops (who will not be told the difference)

I voted for #1 because I felt that because the way the question was worded, there would be more than one cop. I would rather have a doctor who could protect one regular cop over a doc who couldn't.

We need to be on Timeater or an SSBF-voter, imo.

Instead of just repeating yourself over and over, how about you explain why you think I am so needing of a lynch?

unvote

for now.

[Timeater]

I'm not liking Reaper or Sandman atm.

Both are snipers. I dont like snipers. Sandman has yet to ask a question. Reaper gives SlySly a hard time for barebones-voting and then proceeds to do it himself. What?

[Timeater]

@ Tim: Read above. Nice job trying to shift blame off yourself, though.

What blame? Also, what the hell are you talking about? Your lack of succinctness is startling anti-town.

@Timeater: What do you mean by sniper?

A sniper is someone who merely takes potshots; they dont ask questions. Anyway I post later.

[Timeater]

Unvote
Vote: ReaperCharlie

Case:

1.

1. Neither.
2. Yeah, I guess. <3
3. Planning for tomorrow so we don't get ganked.

Doesn't bother finding out what or if Nachoman voted. Doesn't answer #3. Lack of participation, hesitant non-answer. An admitted stretch, but I dont like it. Scummy.

2.

Timeater appears to be asking questions and fluffing without doing anything else, maybe to try to look useful without actually doing any scumhunting.

This is coming from someone who posted twice. This is coming from someone who hasn't done anything useful himself. Predatory and hypocritical. Also, his open mod question could be construed in a way to make

himself

look useful.

3.

Directed towards SSBF:

Your defense of him(sandman) is noted.

later..

I'm on SSBF just for defending MrSandman out of the blue, even though he's lurking without posting anything useful. That's a newb-scum tell.

MrSandman is where my vote would go if I took it off SSBF.

ReaperCharlie votes Sandman out of the blue

Sandman: Why?

ReaperCharlie: Because SSBF defended you.

RC is claiming Sandman is scum because SSBF "defended" him. By the way, was this really "defense" - or was SSBF just trying to make a point? Anyway, if I understand RC correctly, SSBF is the ultimate scummer here, and just because Sandman is associated with him, he's scum too. So logically, shouldn't RC be voting for SSBF? What has changed? Something is wrong here.

[Timeater]

@ReaperCharlie

- How old are you?

Will post later

[Timeater]

The dude sounds like he's 15.

I just like to know what I'm dealing with.

[Timeater]

Can we just lynch SubZeroReaperDerpmaster5000

[Timeater]

I just did a reread. The initial FRENCHIE back and forth between Timeater and CMAR comes off to me as preplanned, scummy fluff. First CMAR brings up the discussion about revealing our role votes. Later Timeater straight out ask everyone to reveal their votes. I am not opposed to revealing my vote, but I think this is a clear type of role fishing, which I find scummy.

SSBF seems to be twisting everyone's words a bit. I get the feeling that english may not be his first language and maybe there is a little language barrier problem there that is giving me this feeling. If english is his first language, the word twisting is scummy, IMO.

manho is pinging my scumdar. Althought, I have seen him ping scumdars as town very recently in farside's Zombies. IGMEOY, manho.

At this point, I feel an equal desire to vote CMAR and Timeater. Timeater has more votes, so I will push his wagon now for his obvrolefish.

unvote. vote: Timeater

BTW: I voted #1, because if the cop couldn't be protected either way, I wanted the doc to be fully functional otherwise.

1. Do you consider RVS fluff a scumtell? If so, do you apply that rule to all the games you play?

2. How is my question role fishing? There are no roles yet. From my understanding, everyone is vanilla. How is this a valid point?

3. I appreciate your honesty about shamelessly wagoning, I do it all the time too.

I see the word "Reaper" in here. You want to lynch him?

That is correct, you picture posting black guy you. Aside from my points against him, I find him totally abrasive and insulting. If you could put maturity levels on a scale, his would be sub zero. Get it? To understand my position, simply read post 162 and then post 167. Lynching RC is a win-win situation, obvscum dies, and immature teen goes bye-bye!

Does anyone else find SlySly really scummy?

Why do you find SlySly scummy?

[Timeater]

@Sly

Are my questions not worth answering?

[Timeater]

Because first off, Vanilla Townies and Mafioso's are roles. Secondly, as the Days goes by, we gather more roles by the day. That's why it counts as rolefishing.

I believe my question was directed towards SlySly, if I have any queries for you I will be sure to ask.

I think knowing what all the power roles are in the game gives less leg room for the scum to squirm around in. This isn't a normal game, quit thinking conventionally - how can this information possibly hurt us? The scum wont know who have what power roles, they will simply know what power roles are in the game. It helps more than hurts.

[Timeater]

Sorry to spam. Carry on.

Also:

@Sly

Are my questions not worth answering?

Do you think your attitude is acceptable?

Do you think alienating almost everyone in the game is a wise decision?

Do you think its a pro-town decision?

[Timeater]

This is the part where I fantasize about braining you with a dead cat femur.

[Timeater]

QUESTION FOR EVERYONE OMIGOD CAPS

What is more important?

1. For the town to know what roles are in the game.

or

2. For the scum not to know what roles are in the game.

[Timeater]

No, its not.

I propose we answer this question D1 so the town can have a definitive road-map for the coming days ahead. Who knows how much trouble we will save ourselves from the scum hiding in unknown roles? This way, there can be no trickery. Sure, someone could lie about what they voted for, but they would eventually be found out if everyone, at the start of every day, told us what they voted for. I dont see what we have to lose.

[Timeater]

shrug

[Timeater]

To answer the latest question: I tend to lean towards wanting the scum not to know what roles are in the game. If this ends up leaving us civilians somewhat in the dark, so be it. That's the way the game is anyways. Uninformed majority vs informed minority. Why give the informed minority even more information than they already have?

Right, but we have an oppurtunity to turn convention on its head and powergame the hell out of this theme game. I dont see why town would simply want to turn a blind eye to an easy way to win.

scum can adjust their play when knowing what they are facing, for example:

1. scum vs tracker, scum will ask a less scummy member to kill a more pro-town town.
2. scum vs watcher, scum will ask whoever they like to kill a less pro-town player.

What. This assumes you know how the scum work in this game. E.G. scum can delegate killing abilities to certain members of the scum team. Are you just hypothesizing or do you know this for a fact? Interesting.

[Timeater]

unvote
Vote: manho

[Timeater]

Also, the more Timeater posts, the less I think he's pro-town. It's like he's trying too hard.

Wanting to win is anti-town.

You heard it from the horse's mouth.

[Timeater]

Seriously, bandwagons vote? Are you kidding me? At least explain why you find manho suspicious.

...Bandwagon? I thought why I was voting him was obvious:

i would rather scum not know the roles, so option 2.

scum can adjust their play when knowing what they are facing, for example:

1. scum vs tracker, scum will ask a less scummy member to kill a more pro-town town.
2. scum vs watcher, scum will ask whoever they like to kill a less pro-town player.

and there is not much use for us to know what power we have, or i can't think of any.

I consider the above post a glaring scumslip. I come to this conclusion through manho's other posts, which point to me his aptitude is rather lowish so he is the kind of player who would make a slip like this. I reject that it is a valid assumption. I am trying to

apply pressure

on manho.

Anyhoo. I guess I better claim. Because apparently I'm soo scummy for "rolefishing" when in actuality I'm trying to "powergame" so the town can "win".

Name Claim: Aucaman Ujarak.
Role Claim: Guest (Vanilla atm)

I can accept differences in opinion over my idea. What I have a hard time accepting is the way this wagon has effortlessly coalesced.

I have made some mistakes this game. I probably shouldn't have played around with CMAR. I shouldn't have blindly accepted InHim's case against Andrius (to be honest I just skimmed it). I probably shouldn't have been rude in turn to ReaperCharlie, despite his antagonism. Maybe I shouldn't have even bothered trying to convince everyone that my idea was worthwhile. Daring and unconventional ideas are usually rejected by the mob.

Which reminds me, data:

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Timeater 1
CMAR: 2
mb53: 1
InHim: 1
SSBF: 1
Chronopie: 2
manho: 1
Sandman: 2
Abstainers: Andrius, MehPlusRawr, ReaperCharlie, SlySly

Macho Cop / Normal Doc: 5
Normal Cop / Bad Doc: 3

Results: Inconclusive but leaning towards Macho Cop / Normal Doc

Moving on, addressing some things:

Problem. If they know what power roles are in the game, that means they know that they have a higher chance of hitting a power role. Even if town has no idea on the new role, at least scums won't know either. Very, very flawed theory.

This point is irrelevant because there are going to be power roles in the game regardless. The chance is exactly the same. This makes no sense. How does them knowing exactly what roles there are increase a chance of hitting those specific roles they know exist? I'm not following your logic.

Uninformed majority vs informed minority. Why give the informed minority even more information than they already have?

They are still a minority. When the uninformed majority

becomes informed

, the equation changes. The game would effectively turn into a smalltown, sort of. Thats a good thing.

It's like he's trying too hard.

This is how I play mafia, I try hard. I don't nonchalantly post one-liners. If I go into a game, I go

all in

. SSBF, multigame meta aside (lol), why do you think I've been so reluctant to jump into the melee that is Werewolves&Mafia NY? Because I am

trying so darn hard

in this game and another game. I'm an intense dude. Sometimes.

1) I'm not black.

Referring to your avatar.

So there you have it. My

"please dont lynch me I'm town post"

.

[Timeater]

sigh...

unvote

[Timeater]

Problem. If they know what power roles are in the game, that means they know that they have a higher chance of hitting a power role. Even if town has no idea on the new role, at least scums won't know either. Very, very flawed theory.

Me:

This point is irrelevant because there are going to be power roles in the game regardless. The chance is exactly the same. This makes no sense. How does them knowing exactly what roles there are increase a chance of hitting those specific roles they know exist? I'm not following your logic.

Chronopie says:

Wait, what? How does the knowledge of whether we have a Macho or a normal cop (and other PR choices) make it more or less likely for scum to hit said PR? Very flawed counter-theory theory.

Right now, we only know that one power role exist, so scums only know one role. However, if the mod were to reveal more power roles over the time to us publicly. after we choose roles, then that means that scums have more access to knowledge, which means they know that we have more power roles. This means they have a higher chance of lynching/night-killing a town power role.

It's best for town not to know what power roles is going to be in the game each Day if it prevents scums from knowing the same thing

.

Every night we are going to vote on roles.
The mod is not going to tell us what we voted for.
Both sides are given an equal amount of knowledge in the original equation. Nothing. My proposition would give the majority more information to work with, thus increasing a chance at winning.

They still have the same chance regardless. This is like saying a few days into the oil spill: "the chances of this being an ecological disaster on the same level of the Exxon-Valdez is probable." Its like DUH. Logic fail.

I do not like people jumping off of a Guest claim.

We need a lynch before deadline, though.

You consider that a glorious return?

[Timeater]

Gotta announce it.

I looked it up, and in case I didn't post it earlier, I voted for PR Choice #1. Picked #1 because I'd rather have a fully-functioning Doc over a non-fully functioning Doc, especially if there's a chance at two flavor Cops.

So we have a...

Macho Cop and Normal Doc!

in the game. Wowzers!

6 (known/allegeded) out of 11 people voted for option 1. MPR says Kyle didn't vote. ReaperCharlie said he 'doesn't care' what Nacho voted for. SlySly abstained. The rest voted 2. So, even if RC and SlySly voted for option 2, that would be a 6/5 total. Also, I'd like to point out that because this question was asked

after

the roles had been

assigned

(according to ani) - two of our 12 people already knew the outcome of this poll. If later down the line we find out this poll has been defrauded, we have a decent base to deduce who the liars were.

What does AtE mean?

[Timeater]

7/3 = Macho Cop / Normal Doc

@SlySly

Eh, so sorry - But why are you just pointing this out now? I posted the role-vote-count two days ago. I thought I got everything right. When putting together votes, people make mistakes. Is Ani scummy too?

Timeater, you aren't reading the thread very closely. That is scummy in my book. With my vote given on you, I really don't see how you could miss the statement immediately following it.

What is it... am I just scummy for misreading or am I scummy for intentionally misrepresenting? Because you seem to be saying I did both. How can it be both? Ok so, in your mind I intentionally left you out of the role-vote. I intentionally said you abstained. To what end? Why would I do this? What diabolical gains would I receive for such a dastardly plot?

Vote: SlySly

I dont care what your sig says, that doesn't give you a pass. Die, scum.

[Timeater]

I did call for the mod lynch.

DERP.

Talk about a serious misrep. I said I found your not reading the thread scummy. I never said you intentionally left me out of the count, nor did I say you misread. I said you didn't read. Big difference.

You are so full of shit. Yes you did.

Timeater, you aren't reading the thread very closely. That is scummy in my book.

With my vote given on you, I really don't see how you could miss the statement immediately following it.

You dont see how I could miss it huh? This insinuates that I did it intentionally. Hello, McFly?

I'm incognito until all the V/LA people return and until people actually start playing mafia instead of dolling out catchup posts and one-liners. K

[Timeater]

So what was the point of your third sentence in the aforementioned quote?

[Timeater]

prodded

Unvote

Vote: SSBF

strangely out of touch, predatory in the latcher-on sense, faulty logic - cognitive dissonance, shies away from stating opinions, fakes wisdom while ineptness bleeds through, fakes sincerity

[Timeater]

strangely out of touch, predatory in the latcher-on sense, faulty logic - cognitive dissonance, shies away from stating opinions, fakes wisdom while ineptness bleeds through, fakes sincerity

I'd love to see this case with snippets of references attached. Please? Cherry on top?

How is being out of touch scummy? Maybe I might be ignorant, but I'm not seeing that as scummy.
How do I shine away from stating opinions? I've been one of the more active players in the game.
The fifth reason makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. It makes me wonder whenever or not you were kidding.
On top of that, how have I've been faking sincerity?

1. So you admit it? Anyway, it shows that you aren't paying attention to the game, which is not in the town's best interests, obviously.

2. Here we are:

3. I don't really have an original thought on this, I will admit. I'm leaning toward believing what CryMeARiver said.

A clearcut case of shying away from stating an opinion if I ever saw one.

3. You've been active but have you really said anything? Several other players have pointed this out. How is this a good thing? Active lurking, check.

4. You were confronted about your faulty logic by myself and chronopie. You responded with bullshit. You have yet to make any sense on that point.

5.

CryMeARiver, three out of the four questions you asked here contribute nothing to the game. Hell, the last two made absolutely no sense and the last question sounds like an attempt to hide RVS in a question, which does not fool me.

Why did I quote that first post? How idiotic of me.

2. So far, he's pretty good.

Timeater's #288 really did suck really badly, so my vote will stay on him for the moment.

It seems like everyone has forgotten about this game. And we have less then forty-eight hours left. So....

@Mod: Could you please extend the deadline? Sorry for inactivity, we promise it will never happen again.

[Timeater]

I thought you'd enjoy that.

[Timeater]

All you people voting Sandman, wtf, just let him replace

[Timeater]

Dude, he's obviously afk from this game. Its d1 let another player replace him if he doesn't want to play this game. To vote out a lurker D1 when he can obviously be replaced is bad town play verging on scumdom. I dont not like how this has been going. Ignoring the game does not equal scum, come on people - play with a little more gumption. Also, if any one of you says I'm "defending" him I will hunt you down and brain you with a stale pizza. And Andrius, why are you acting like the big bad wolf? What exactly have you contributed to this game? Do you suddenly speak for everyone else? Who elected you the Hegemonic Supreme Leader of Thrillville? /exhale

I'm sticking with SSBF.

Also

MEGA FOS

at InHimShallibe - jesus christ on a rainbow pogostick, have you read some of the crap this guy has been posting? Talk about obvscum.

[Timeater]

@Andrius ~

Appeal to Emotion? This coming from the guy who posts pictures "to lighten the mood". Please stop spouting your inane labels on everything. They do not make you look smart.

Here's my claim.

I am Dagda John - Staff (Vanilla Townie for the moment). I currently have no power at the moment, but I do have the ability to vote for who I think is scum. Like other Townies here, I win when all threat to town has been elminated.

Also, I will get to re-reading the thread now.

I'm confused. lol Please explain.

I have nothing of the sort in my role PM telling me I can vote for I think is scum. Looks like a messed-up claim on your scumbuddy's part. Looks like something he just threw in to make himself look townie. Better luck next time, I guess.

[Timeater]

My scumbuddy? You're accusing me of being scum now?

Why so defensive? The fact that you did not immediately recognize the issue sort of implicates you of being guilty of the same crime he is.

[Timeater]

I need to stop deleting my Role PMs after I read them. I was claiming in a massclaim earlier today, when I realized I accidentially deleted my Role PMs about a week ago.

Convenient excuse.

[Timeater]

Seriously, all these people saying they want to lynch me - what have you got? Make a case or something. People who have accused me of being scummy (and voted for me) in the last 5 pages without listing any real reasons or making any cases:

* manho
* inhimshallibe
* ssbf
* chronopie

Its astonishing. The scum know most townies recognizes my claim and identify that I am town and yet they(scum) persist on me. The consider me an easy target because of my balls-to-the-wall playstyle. There is no real substance to any of their votes. The only vote on me I can respect is SlySly's.

SSBF is the clear lynch. ISO him and look at his behavior. Look at his claim - its obviously been bungled. If he flips scum we can pursue Andrius tomorrow.

[Timeater]

Timeater, could you please paraphrase your entire role PM?

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As I said, I am Aucaman Ujarak, Guest (and vanilla at the moment.) Paraphrased fluff: I love enjoying Thrillville and I do not want "Globo-Joy" to uhh...seize things. No powers right now - but during night and confirmations I had to send in a vote for choosing what role I want along with any actions I may have. After confirming, the thread would be mine to use. I win when all threats to the town are Eliminated.

[Timeater]

doopdedoopdedoo..

[Timeater]

Hopefully nobody, because I wanna hammer for the first time. Hope he's scum! (I've already provided my reasons for wanting to vote him)

Unvote, vote: SSBF

Oh bah on you.

THE IRONY

[Timeater]

*hops up and down*

[Timeater]

O_o

So the mafia happened to kill the guy who got the role that was assigned last night? NICE

Ani, was there two roles assigned like D1 or just one? Or do we get to know. :/

[Timeater]

has sandman been replaced?

i'll try to post tuesday

[Timeater]

oh hello

post coming up in a moment

[Timeater]

actually, maybe tomorrow. i have a headache.

[Timeater]

Ugh, I'm here. Its just like I've lost the will to play mafia after my town loss in Dr. Horrible mafia.

Ani I guess you should replace me.