Like a scum would ever quickhammer you on page 2. Why are you so nervous there, scum?SSBF wrote:Congratulation. Not only have you blantantly performed an OMGUS vote on me, you have also put me at L-1 on the same day that the game started. Now that's very scummy.
Take me less seriously.Super Smash Bros. Fan wrote: I don't know if you're being serious or not, but Mafia is a team game. You have to work together to catch scums. You can't expect to win if you have the "I can do everything!" attitude.
Do you think I'm stupid? Give me an example of when someone has gotten quickhammered on page 2. I know they're bad for town, by the way. Nobody would come in and hammer you now, especially when the vote count clearly states "SSBF is at L-1!" So you didn't answer my question, essentially. What are youBecause some uninformed person could have accidently (Or worse, scums that intentionally) hammered me at L-1. Quick hammers are usually not good because they give us little information to work on the next Day. Quick hammers happen and they are usually not pretty.
Well that's just about the dumbest thing I've ever heard.OpposedForce in Post #19 said he wanted a horrordude0215 bandwagon going, even thought he didn't have a vote on him. In #20, TheButtonmen called him out because he wasn't voting for horrordude0215 at the time. The next post, OpposedForce made a pretty bad defense, quoting his vote when he clearly knew it was pre-game. As a result, TheButtonmen voted OpposedForce for not reading the thread and coasting, along with Nobody Special. I'm also suspicious of him, but I'm not voting him because the game just started and I don't want to put him at L-1 yet.
Bah, I didn't see the time on the mod post saying D1 started this morning. Ignore that. But the last part of your post is bad bad bad - just because the game just started doesn't mean there's nothing to talk about.You're skimming. Copper did post pre-game. Also, the game just started today, so aside from the OpposedForce incident that's going on now, there is very little information going around.
What don't you understand about no half-intelligent town OR scum would drop a hammer on page 2?SSBF wrote:If it gets later in the game when deadline is approaching, then yeah, defindently put a person as L-1 if they're scummy enough to deserve it. However, this is the very first calender day of Day 1 and we have almost no information to work on. Putting someone at L-1 this early in the game could be responsible for causing a mishammer. Thus we go into Day 2 with almost nothing to go on. That's why putting someone at L-1 this early can be considered a good reason for concern.
Because I happen to believe that the lack of vote was an honest mistake. You (and NS) jumping all over him for that I don't like.TheButtonmen wrote:Oh noes, you don't like how I'm voting?!?!
He's not reading the thread, changing his story and avoiding posting any kind of content; why the the frowny face about people voting him?
I understand, but I think this can be explained because of you having to re-vote because you didn't unvote. You did this right after he voted SSBF and put him at L-1. If you were somewhat skimming the thread I can see how that could be misinterpreted.TheButtonmen wrote:He stated that I'm being mean and putting him at L-1 solely because he placed SSBF at L-1.Karma wrote:Hey can you explain this because I believe the post you were referring to was directed at SSBFTBM wrote:The very next post you suddenly magically remember why I was voting you and try to dismiss everything as a joke? Why the sudden 180?
Lets break that down; to start off with this was yet another demonstration of him not reading the thread.
A) I was voting him before he voted SSBF.
B) He was at L-2
C) I already explained why I was voting him.
Yet in his next post he acknowledged that he realised that people were voting him because of his failure to read the thread. Now compare that to his previous post where he went out of his way to explain that I was being a hypocritical meanie and voting him soley because of his vote for SSBF.
It'll come.TBM wrote:You wana place a vote?
Do explain please.SSBF wrote: It looks like a pretty legitimate scum tell from my perspective.
I don't appreciate the condescencion. So you're saying you don't think you can scumhunt early in the game? Are you refusing to scumhunt/making excuses for others' refusals to scumhunt?SSBF wrote: There are times where pre-game is enough to start making informed vote, but is it very rare. Most of the time, it's basically us confirming our roles, that's it. Some mods may not even have a pre-game. On most Day one's, we usually have almost no information to go on, thus not enough to make an informed vote.
I think he made an honest mistake and you guys are jumping at the chance to hang him for it.Copper wrote:I have a couple of questions for you, Karma.
Firstly, what do you think about OpposedForce?
I think scum (especially newbscum) are more nervous when they're in danger of getting lynched than town are. If you're mislynched as town, yeah, it sucks, but you can at least have faith in the 5 members left in the town. If you're lynched as scum, it gives you much less of a chance to win.Secondly, why is fearing a quickhammer while at L-1 scummy? Yes, it's certainly true that a page two quickhammer virtually never happens, and so being randomly placed to that position is no danger. But dial it back another step. You're asserting that a player should not be nervous as town when at L-1, because the chance that this will be converted to action is virtually nil.
But you also said:
Why would a scum player be more nervous in this situation? Either you understand that early wagons do not lead to page two quickhammers (in which case you keep your cool regardless of alignment) or you don't (in which case you're nervous regardless of alignment.) You seem to be suggesting that scum and only scum would be nervous at a quick L-1, which simply doesn't make any sense.Karma wrote:Like a scum would ever quickhammer you on page 2. Why are you so nervous there, scum?
I meant about the OF thing.SSBF wrote:I've already answered your question. Here is the answer to your question, RIGHT above the post I'm quoting:
I know what happened. I know you think it's scummy. Why do you think it's scummy, or "a pretty poor response"?SSBF wrote:His response to TheButtonmen was basically him quoting a pre-game post. OpposedForce later admitted to not reading the thread, but TheButtonmen called him out first. That post was scummy because he made a pretty poor response by quoting a post that was pre-game.
Yeah, expect me to be pretty useless this game.NS wrote:Seriously? Okay, look. I know you just replaced in. BUT WE'RE ON PAGE 2 [at the time of this post I'm quoting] FOR THE LOVE OF MIKE. Are you going to be useless the whole game? If so, let me know now.
Buttons wrote:If we are going to lynch you the cop should claim? Other then letting your partner know who to NK tonight what do we gain out of this?
