Mini 990: YuGiOh! The Abridged Mafia - (OVER)

[AlmasterGM]

/confirming is incredibly sexy!

[AlmasterGM]

vote: Pomegranate

I say we kill him...in America.

Hilarious, but aren't you a bad guy?

[AlmasterGM]

Wait, are we still in RVS or are we actually going for a beloved princess lynch?

Why? Are you her buddy?

[AlmasterGM]

1) My experience is that she would be lynched, but it seems like it's dragging on long enough that the wagon might fall apart. 2) I would understand if I was vehemently defending her, which I'm not. "Why are people voting X" is a fairly standard question from what I understand. I'm rather upset that she hasn't posted but I guess it hasn't really been that long, either.

You didn't ask why people were voting for her, you asked whether the wagon was happening or not.

[AlmasterGM]

Because they're buddies.

V/LA until Monday.

[AlmasterGM]

Back from V/LA. Doesn't look like I missed much. I know playing children's card games can make you physically tired and it difficult to focus on posting, but comeonnnnn let's get some activity.

VOTE: Vote: dramonic[/b]

Posting on the site but not here.

[AlmasterGM]

Vote: dramonic

[AlmasterGM]

Like anything is actually taking place here <<

good point - in fact, how about everyone takes that attitude and then we just no lynch at deadline.

[AlmasterGM]

Because I happened to be checking the queue to get the player list for my game and noticed that you were posting there, but not here.

And lo behold, the minute I mention your name in this thread, you show up immediately. In many professions, this would considered exemplary service. In mafia, I consider it sketchy.

[AlmasterGM]

2 hours is pretty immediate considering the last time you posted was friday, and that post was to say you were too lazy to post.

[AlmasterGM]

I understand what the dram 'wagon' is built on, but I don't think it's that scummy.

Who do you think is scummy?

[AlmasterGM]

I'm really not sure right now; the game is at such a standstill. I will think about it tonight.

Everyone keeps saying this ... which is WHY the game is at a standstill.

[AlmasterGM]

@Chronopie: justifications pl0x

[AlmasterGM]

more dram votes please

[AlmasterGM]

What does "a general lack of towniness" mean?

ATTENTION DUELISTS

MY HAIR WOULD LIKE TO ANNOUNCE THE VOTECOUNT!

AlmasterGM
Beloved Princess (1) - bv310
Brandi (0)
bv310 (1) - Pomegranate
charter (0) -
Chronopie (0)
dramonic (2) - AlmasterGM FakeGod
FakeGod (0)
Jarti (1) - dramonic
Kitoari (2) - Beloved Princess Charter
MaxMouse (0)
Pomegranate (1) - Jarti

12 alive, 7 to lynch

[AlmasterGM]

/Prodded.

Cool post, bro.

[AlmasterGM]

How is it OMGUS, Dram's not voting for me?

[AlmasterGM]

None, really.

[AlmasterGM]

And doesn't bv always lurk?

[AlmasterGM]

I support this <<

Unvote
Vote: bv

inb4Almasteryells

THE. IRONY. AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH.

bv lurk is null and definitely wagon worthy. I'll personally testify to lurkage in Precision (no need to actually read the game and see me failing hardcore at being vig). Pom starting this wagon is bad, but these people getting on it are even more opportunistic.

[AlmasterGM]

also, above vote is dram. sorry.

[AlmasterGM]

Why does the number on him matter?

[AlmasterGM]

@Chronopie - Why do you dislike my activity this game?

@charter - Pomegranate screams scum for me too, and last time she WAS scum. I'm not opposed to this wagon happening.

@Pom - Sure. When I was scum. Also, there's a difference between not being at the computer and being at the computer but not posting. Dram was clearly the latter. Explain to me how LURKING is not scummy.

[AlmasterGM]

It's the same when he hadn't posted for 3 days before that. Seriously, it's dramonic. He posts all the fucking time. There is NO way he just didn't check the thread over those days. He definitely checked the thread, decided not to post, and then when he finally saw someone say YO DRAMONIC he was like "shoot I should probably post now."

Fine, maybe you do. That doesn't make it ok for dram (who are we even talking about with this point, you or him?). And if it was your first game as scum, your game should have improved, not be setting off my scumdar.

[AlmasterGM]

And a good chunk of those 14 posts are him stating how there's no activity, who needs prods, that people need to post, la la la etc.

If you want a PRIME example of posting but doing absolutely nothing, just iso dramonic. Pure gold right there.

[AlmasterGM]

I WANT TO HEAR FROM DRAM.

[AlmasterGM]

DRAMONIC'S POSTING ON THE SITE

BUT NOT HERE

LYNCH MODE ACTIVATE.

[AlmasterGM]

Hey, Pom, know how you were saying Dramonic's lurking and then coming when called wasn't scummy because it took him 2 hours to show up, not the 15 minutes I quoted?

WELL GUESS HOW LONG IT TOOK HIM THIS TIME?

3 minutes.

If that plus all the 1-liners and promises to post aren't scummy, then I don't know what is. Replace, wait, whatever. There are too many strikes in my book for it to even be relevant.

[AlmasterGM]

RBT seems like a nice guy. Let's save him from having to find

another

replacement and kill some scum.

[AlmasterGM]

Dram's first recent post was bad, it's basically just like, "hey go look over there I'm not nearly as bad." Which, even if it's true, still isn't an excuse.

Second post is good. Kit looks awful.

However, what mostly still gets me about dram is the way he seems to still have time to check the thread and post immediately whenever someone mentions him. I don't know if that's true for the other lurkers. Thus, dram's play seems worse and I'm leaving the vote on him.

I wouldn't cry over a Kit wagon, though.

[AlmasterGM]

Honestly, everyone in this game seems suspicious to me right now, and it might not even be their faults entirely. I think we just need a lynch on somebody to get things rolling.

I SUMMON THE MODERATOR TO DEAL DESTROY THE MONSTER DRAMONIC AND DEAL DAMAGE TO THE SCUM'S LIFE POINTS

ATTENTION DUELISTS

MY HAIR WOULD LIKE TO ANNOUNCE THE VOTECOUNT!

AlmasterGM (0) -
Brandi (0) -
bv310 (1) -
charter (0) -
Chronopie (0) -
dramonic (6) - AlmasterGM InflatablePie FakeGod Pomegranate MaxMouse Jarti
FakeGod (1) - Charter
InflatablePie (0) -
Jarti (1) - Chronopie
Kitoari (2) - bv310 dramonic
MaxMouse (0) -
Pomegranate (0) -

12 alive, 7 to lynch

[AlmasterGM]

Hey, I'm back. In case you didn't see, I was V/LA.

The fact that dram flipped scum and charter avoided that wagon LIKE THE PLAGUE looks INSANELY suspicious. I had a bad gut feeling about him yesterday (his scumhunting felt more ... forced than the prior times I've played with him), and that feels even worse today. HOWEVER, I think that, in general, ANYONE WHO DIDN'T VOTE DRAM IS SUSPICIOUS. Because in 10/2 I think scum would be less likely to bus. I don't even know how we decided this was 10/2, but apparently somebody did.

I do want to hear from charter before we do anything, though.

bv310 you are just being dumb, stop.

Finally, the NK was weird. If you iso Chronopie, he didn't really do anything. Except vote bv310.

You could be like, HURRRR WIFOM.

Or you could be like, person who suspects bv310 is killed, bv310 starts day by making bad votes against person who tried really, really hard to lynch his partner and did so.

[AlmasterGM]

KIT.

Who are the scum?

[AlmasterGM]

Charter is claiming already? He didn't even, like, get to legit defend himself.

I think there's a lot of lurk-damage going on right now.

LIKE WHERE'S KIT.

[AlmasterGM]

I'M NOT VOTING BECAUSE IM THE DOUBLE VOTER DOES THAT MAKE THINGS MORE CLEAR FOR YOU

[AlmasterGM]

and more important question for bv: there might be a lynch soon. Who will you target tonight? (don't answer if you believe that it would be better for the town if this info isn't disclosed to the public)

What reason do you have for POSSIBLY wanting to know this information?

ATTENTION DUELISTS

MY HAIR WOULD LIKE TO ANNOUNCE THE VOTECOUNT!

AlmasterGM (1) - bv310
Brandi (0) -
bv310 (0) -
charter (4) - Jarti Pomegranate InflatablePie FakeGod
FakeGod (0) -
InflatablePie (0) -
Jarti (0) -
Kitoari (0) -
MaxMouse (0) -
Pomegranate (0) -

10 alive, 6 to lynch

[AlmasterGM]

Sounds like exactly what you said it was:

Speculation.

That will lead us probably nowhere.

[AlmasterGM]

Fakegod, why are you so concerned with finding out what e'erybody's roles do?

[AlmasterGM]

You know what why are we even voting charter he makes sense.

Vote: Fakegod

[AlmasterGM]

NICE CLAIM.

If there's a hammer out there, then I want to know what it does.

Otherwise, I don't.

P.S. REMEMBER I HAVE TWO VOTES. So L-2 is actually L-1.

[AlmasterGM]

I wasn't talking to you. I was saying to everyone else in the game, "if you plan to vote FakeGod, ask for a claim." However, if nobody plans to vote FakeGod, then we might lynch somebody else, and so we don't need the claim.

[AlmasterGM]

Bah.

The connection is legitimate enough such that it cannot be dismissed, but it's also extremely convenient.

WHAT DO.

Preview edit: It's called MASONS (minus quicktopic), bv. Why is that so unlikely?

[AlmasterGM]

so Charter, you don't believe me? alright I'll go paraphrase my role PM. Be right back.

I FORGET WHO, but somebody on this site has a signature along the following lines:

"It takes two seconds to paraphrase a role PM. Fabricating a good fakeclaim takes an eternity."

More true words have never been spoken.

Nor have they ever been MORE APPLICABLE than RIGHT NOW.

BRB my ass. It doesn't take a 10+ min brb to paraphrase a role PM.

[AlmasterGM]

oh cool, ninja'd. Now I just look like an idiot.

OR DO I.

I seriously doubt it took him 10 minutes to PARAPHRASE that.

Fake it?

10 min sounds about right.

NOT BUYING THE CLAIM.

[AlmasterGM]

Bah.

The connection is legitimate enough such that it cannot be dismissed, but it's also extremely convenient.

WHAT DO.

Preview edit: It's called MASONS (minus quicktopic), bv. Why is that so unlikely?

Because basically confirming 2/12 players right off the bat seems overpowered, especially since one of our scum has already flipped as a Goon. Flavour-wise, it makes sense, but I think it sounds more likely as a scum fakeclaim.

I agree that it is fake but for totally different reasons.

[AlmasterGM]

.....

are you serious, Alm? You don't buy the claim because I wasn't able to post it up in less than 10 minutes...?

Yup.

ATTENTION DUELISTS

MY HAIR WOULD LIKE TO ANNOUNCE THE VOTECOUNT!

AlmasterGM (0) -
Brandi (1) - Charter
bv310 (0) -
charter (2) - Jarti FakeGod
FakeGod (4) - InflatablePie AlmasterGM Pomegranate bv310
InflatablePie (0) -
Jarti (0) -
Kitoari (0) -
MaxMouse (0) -
Pomegranate (1) - Brandi

10 alive, 6 to lynch

[AlmasterGM]

FakeGod why did you mention "Timeater" a yugioh card in your "willing to lynch" list? I checked Joey's decks: http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Joey_Wheeler%27s_Decks & did not see the card listed there.

I had assumed it was a breadcrumble of some sort (hence why I didn't follow up with attacking your blatant rolefishing I pointed out today & instead re-quoted the post to see your reaction. When you blew it off the way you did I assumed it was a legit breadcrumble and pretty much cleared you at that point for it.).

OOOOOH SNAP.

Jarti's hardcore knowledge of YuGiOh Lore - 1
FakeGod - 0

[AlmasterGM]

Shit.

I still don't know what to believe.

ON THE ONE HAND, this claim is sketchy.

ON THE OTHER, there is evidence to back it up.

But only SOME evidence.

Urrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrg. I think the right move is to just let it sit for now.

Unvote.

I want to hear from Pom exactly why she thinks FakeGod is lying. Not just, "not buyin it hurr."

Also, more charter.

[AlmasterGM]

Unvote. Vote: Kit

[AlmasterGM]

Ok.

[AlmasterGM]

The slot is scummy.

[AlmasterGM]

FISHY!

[AlmasterGM]

charter hasn't posted since Monday.

Die.

Unvote. Vote: charter

He is way better than this. Also, at the core, his defense is the same as dramonics was for lurking. "Hey guyz ignore me and look over there, those people did the same thing." The logical strings of it might have been fine, but they didn't wow me either. Finally, his scumhunting feels gut forced.

[AlmasterGM]

And I sort of agree with Fishy about MM ... he does fencesit a LOT. Half of his "scumhunting" is actually just him saying he has a nulltell.

[AlmasterGM]

What do you mean by he's better than this? I'm not in love with meta but I'd like to know what you mean.

He's normally very good. Except not in this game.

I'll be able to post tonight, haven't been on MS much lately.

Mherrrr...this could actually be true, post history says he isn't in any games since this one and hasn't posted anywhere since Monday.

STILL THOUGH, the whole "I'll not post for 5 days, but then suddenly check the thread 5 hours after my name is mentioned and promise a post" sounds an AWFUL LOT like a little scummy bird from yesterday.

Also, EVERYONE should answer charter's question before he gets back so that he can't just be like, "guyz answer my question, everyone who didn't is scummy, kthx cya in a week."

[AlmasterGM]

and I'm going to unvote: Charter The way that he continually asks people to restate their case against him and so on, even after people on his wagon went after chasing another target (me in this case), seems to me as that he is a townie who is eager to clear his name, not a scum who wouldn't attract attention to himself.

I actually think the opposite as true.

People are usually bad at casing and just throw around votes. These are the worst kinds of votes for scum because there is the danger of a wagon forming without them being able to do anything to refute it. So they ask for the case.

[AlmasterGM]

@IP: I have never completed a game as scum ><; Well, except for marathon days, but, I dont have links to those or even remember them but Im sure there are some out there.

Am I the only one who thinks this sounds like she is scum this game?

[AlmasterGM]

I could see how such a thing might bring that thought, but honestly I don't think there is a way to properly say "I haven't completed any mafia games as scum" without it sounding bad. :B If I had a game to link you to, I would. Sorry.

"I've never been scum."

I like Fishy's entrance, drawing attention to Maxmouse I see as very protown,

since there's the easy targets of myself and FakeGod

, and I know I'm town, and I think he is as well, but he doesn't go after us. Fishy's points about MaxMouse are pretty good,

especially the one about MaxMouse bussing Dramonic.

Bold is mine.

I actually thought this was interesting as well. I thought fishy was going to vote either me or Charter, but he goes after Max.

But this is a development I welcome, since I don't trust Max. (my train of thought can be found around post 280~290 I think)

and I'm going to

unvote: Charter

The way that he continually asks people to restate their case against him and so on, even after people on his wagon went after chasing another target (me in this case), seems to me as that he is a townie who is eager to clear his name, not a scum who wouldn't attract attention to himself.

ATTENTION DUELISTS

MY HAIR WOULD LIKE TO ANNOUNCE THE VOTECOUNT!

AlmasterGM (0) -
Brandi (1) - Charter
bv310 (0) -
charter (0) -
FakeGod (3) - InflatablePie Pomegranate bv310
Fishythefish (0) -
InflatablePie (2) - Jarti Brandi
Jarti (0) -
MaxMouse (1) - Fishythefish
Pomegranate (0) -

10 alive, 6 to lynch

[AlmasterGM]

I could see how such a thing might bring that thought, but honestly I don't think there is a way to properly say "I haven't completed any mafia games as scum" without it sounding bad. :B If I had a game to link you to, I would. Sorry.

"I've never been scum."

No, I have been scum before, I just got replaced early on :S

Link?

[AlmasterGM]

If you don't produce the link, you die.

[AlmasterGM]

DON'T WORRY, I'LL WAIT.

[AlmasterGM]

Unvote. Vote: Brandi

[AlmasterGM]

Pie, bus your partner and get some town cred.

[AlmasterGM]

I'm a little confused by the super quick claim. Brandi was at what, L-3?

[AlmasterGM]

I'm a little confused by the super quick claim. Brandi was at what, L-3?

um, aren't you a double-voter? :S But I thought I was at L-1 for some reason. Im just dumb.

Even so, it was L-2 not L-1. And there was no hammer threat.

But whatever, for some reason it doesn't feel that scummy.

[AlmasterGM]

Here is a completely random thing about MaxMouse that I just noticed.

Heres the ISO I promised. Bare with me, I've never done one before.

...

Also I can attest that 2:10 mountainous can favor scum. I've modded a game like that before and it can be super tricky for town because they're somewhat fooled until the last possible moment.

BV: Perhaps your role is a big modfuck? I've done similar things before to players.

Mod Meta: I have been through quite a few games where I have purposely not included main characters simply in order to provide fakeclaims to the scum. While this is simply a little meta bit, and should not end a case, I think this is a possible way of saying he could be someone other than Joey.

How is it that you have such an extensive mod meta, but you have never iso'd a player before?

[AlmasterGM]

Unvote. Vote: MaxMouse

BULLSHIT DETECTED.

[AlmasterGM]

Yes.

[AlmasterGM]

Actually, maybe.

[AlmasterGM]

I hate meta.

HOW IRONIC.

Also, just what I wanted: a shitton of reading.

WHO WANTS TO HELP?

[AlmasterGM]

Also, the fact that you are an alt just makes you look more scummy since half this account has been like, "I am a noob and don't know what is going on," except now that obviously isn't true IS IT?

ATTENTION DUELISTS

MY HAIR WOULD LIKE TO ANNOUNCE THE VOTECOUNT!

AlmasterGM (0) -
Brandi (1) - Charter
bv310 (0) -
charter (0) -
FakeGod (1) - bv310
Fishythefish (0) -
InflatablePie (2) - Jarti Brandi
Jarti (0) -
MaxMouse (3) - Fishythefish FakeGod AlmasterGM
Pomegranate (1) - InflatablePie

10 alive, 6 to lynch

[AlmasterGM]

mod meta =/= player meta, after all you would think that somebody who had modded multiple games would have done an iso.

BUT NO.

Also, you could be a good mod and a shitty player, or vice versa. The only solution is LOTS AND LOTS of READING.

Or we could just kill you.

[AlmasterGM]

I'd like to know what the Brandi votes from AGM and Pom were based on.

seems like she's trying to blend in a bit" which is what Brandi is doing, but about ten times more.

[AlmasterGM]

Except I thought Brandi was doing it more, not the other way around.

[AlmasterGM]

I was hoping somebody would bust out some statistics of how frequently a doctor appears in mini themes, but I don't think that is going to happen.

Yeah, for now, I buy it.

[AlmasterGM]

Fakeclaim is fake.

Kill.

[AlmasterGM]

If Seto is just a VT or near-equivalent (bad abilities), then this is a good idea. However, in the show, Seto is pretty damn awesome (remember the episode where they make fun of him being able to climb up vertical walls and hack super military intelligence satellites by just pressing buttons). If Seto has a really awesome PR, then we do not want him to claim and die.

So, what I think we should do is have Seto claim ONLY if exposing his role is an acceptable loss.

P.S. As a preempt to Seto can nameclaim but not fullclaim: This isn't an option because if Seto and his brother DO find each other (which they will through nameclaim), there is bound to be some sort of effect, and scum aren't going to let that happen.

[AlmasterGM]

My role PM only has my first name as well.

THE PLOT THICKENS.

[AlmasterGM]

I like charter's conspiracy theory.

If there are two sets of siblings / related people, it is likely they are on opposite teams.

[AlmasterGM]

Do either of you have any basis which makes the scenario you suspect "likely"?

Can you elaborate?

[AlmasterGM]

I don't agree.

[AlmasterGM]

Unless I missed something, we only have one person who claimed to have a first and last name, and that person is likely scum.

Claiming is one of the best places to catch scum because they HAVE to lie. It isn't difficult to scumhunt as scum - you just apply the same principles and look for the same tells you would as town. You can even bus. Claiming is a whole different realm of truth and falsity - you have to fabricate something that doesn't exist and have it cross-check against something you can't see (the town role PMs). And empirically, I have past games where scum have been caught because of messing up name claims. So I have a strong reason to pursue this issue.

I want anyone who has a first AND last name in their role PM to claim. Now.

[AlmasterGM]

And by claim, I just mean say, "My character has a first and last name in the role PM."

DO NOT ACTUALLY CLAIM THE NAME OR ANYTHING ABOUT YOUR ROLE.

[AlmasterGM]

LOL FUCKING L.

KILLKILLKILLKILLKILLKILLKILL.

Unvote. Vote: Inflatable Pie

SORRY SCUM YOU ARE JUST NOT DOING VERY WELL THIS GAME.

PLUM YOU ARE DEAD TOMORROW BTW.

[AlmasterGM]

My only regret is that we didn't catch the final scum by having them fakeclaim having a first and last name in a lame attempt to try and save their lying partner.

OH WELL.

ATTENTION DUELISTS

MY HAIR WOULD LIKE TO ANNOUNCE THE VOTECOUNT!

AlmasterGM (0) -
Brandi (0) -
bv310 (0) -
charter (0) -
FakeGod (1) - bv310
Fishythefish (0) -
InflatablePie (7) - Jarti Brandi Charter FakeGod Fishythefish InflatablePie AlmasterGM
Jarti (0) -
MaxMouse (0) -
Plum (0) -

10 alive, 6 to lynch

[AlmasterGM]

somebody PM him

[AlmasterGM]

Bah, for some reason, playing a card game has caused me to become severely injured.

RIP TRISTAN'S VOICES (BOTH NEW AND OLD), GO TOWN.

[AlmasterGM]

NO MISLYNCHES. DING DING DING.

Good game, all.

[AlmasterGM]

I agree 100% with charter. This game was well modded in terms of smooth operation, but the setup seems incredibly unbalanced against the town. Town is EXTREMELY fortunate to have walked away with a win.

[AlmasterGM]

As a point to this, notice that despite lynching correctly

three times in a row

, had the Vig not shot correctly OR had the doctor missed his target on Night 3, the game would have been in mylo on Day 4. In addition to showing how swingy and dependent on power roles the game was, it also seems very unfair for the town to be in mylo despite three days of stellar performance.