SURVIVOR: CFOK! (MOOSPIKER WINS! FEEDBACK?)

[KageLord]

Sweet... the game takes off after the forum change.

Super secret alliance number 2 will devour Drench's alliance. << >>

But also... um... I'd like to join Drench's alliance too.

[KageLord]

Well...

Vote: Zang

Let's make a winsome alliance my Go Mental brother!

[KageLord]

... Zang still needs one more vote to have the majority. Horror's unvote put him at 9 before my vote brought him back up to 10.

[KageLord]

... Let's give this Jacob a mustache and Jaffar beard. << >>

[KageLord]

Lmao. Nice one, Cybele.

[KageLord]

lol I don't think that was the only determinant. I think I had put Edward and I'm on the other side. But I don't really care, since I don't read/watch Twilight.

[KageLord]

Time's almost up...

Nothing to do now but wait...

[KageLord]

KageLord

, how do you feel about being able to vote at this Tribal Council? Do you regret not being able to vote at your own tribe’s Tribal Council?

Well, I'm not sure that voting at the Blue Tribe's Tribal Council will make much difference. Since the Blue Tribe seem to have their weakest link in mind, they will probably vote them off, no matter who I vote for. Of course, voting off the weakest link would be a rookie mistake, but what can you do? Someone that knows how Survivor works would know that it is in a person's best interest to vote off the strongest player in their tribe. At the end, that means there will be less competition. For example, if you are a medium-strength player that has made it to the end, where you must face your former tribemate, would you rather face the strongest player or the weakest one? With this logic, the obvious pick would be Espeonage, but since he has immunity... I think Cybele would be the wisest choice for anyone in Blue Tribe. After all, Espeonage may continue winning them immunity, but Cybele would only be more competition when Espeonage is gone near the end (if Espeonage is kicked out).

As for not being able to vote at my tribe's Council, I regret it a bit, but I don't really think it will matter. Two of our members messed up. The first made the mistake of submitting before we finished discussion. The second "misunderstood" and submitted. If the second hadn't screwed up, I'm confident we would have won game 1 as well. So, it's really up to the people in our tribe which of the two they think is worse.

[KageLord]

I guess it's just part of the game, Cybele. Chevre doesn't want to make it too easy for us.

[KageLord]

Fair enough. Here was our plan, identical for each game. Everything went according to plan except for chihuahua0's role (P4 on game 2):

10 chips on box 10 - P1
10 chips on box 9 - P2
10 chips on box 8 - P3
10 chips on box 7 - P4
6 chips on box 6, 3 chips on box 5, 1 chip on box 4 - P5

Hm... interesting. While I won't tell you myself (if the rest of my team wants to, then sure) what our arrangement was, I will tell you that if everyone had done exactly what they were supposed to on both teams (including the ones that didn't submit at all), we would have won both games. Even after one player's unilateral move and Monkey's no show, we actually still would have won game 1 as well if another player hadn't misunderstood his assignment (he did something like 6 on box 7 in game 1, essentially wasting 6 chips by your setup).

So, another way of saying part of that, I didn't take box 7 on game 2.

[KageLord]

Chevre, would it be possible for us to get a replacement for our missing member now? One of our players has never posted in this thread and has never posted in the QT and has not responded to PMs.

[KageLord]

I feel that is quite unfair, but since it's the mod's rules, it's not our place to argue. We just have to deal with it ourselves.

[KageLord]

Cybele

, with 1 vote, you are safe.

Oh... summabuddy's gonna get a hurt, real bad! Summabuddy...
/intense stare

!XOBILE!

[KageLord]

Yeah, I know it was you... and that's not how you say my name. It is like this:
SIB-el-LEE. Like Simile, but with a 'b'.

lol... can't tell if you're joking or serious. It's a Russell Peters joke. Same comic that does the "somebody gonna getta hurt real bad" thing.

And lmao Drench, it's always good to see Light make an appearance.

[KageLord]

KageLord

, do you agree with the decision your tribe made at the last Tribal Council?

Yes, I couldn't have agreed more with their decision. At this point in the game, we have to get rid of our inactive players. The one we got rid of first had never even posted in this thread, did not respond to PMs, and did not post in the QT. Obviously, he would be the greatest liability. This time, we may have a similar player to vote off.

[KageLord]

I'm just going to assume that Lot 18 means the next TC and not the "first" because of the above. I thought we were being tricked there for a minute until I read Chevre's above post.

[KageLord]

I'm hoping that no one on our tribe was dumb enough to send pickemgenius that PM... since he's not in our tribe.

[KageLord]

Yeah... I think we're all done now.

[KageLord]

6 minutes...

[KageLord]

So... do the rest of us get to find out what the acquired Mystery Lots were?

[KageLord]

Ah... sorry. ^^;

[KageLord]

And

Spain wins the World Cup!

digi wins the RPS Tournament!

[KageLord]

Oooo intrigue... that means someone else in Blue Tribe must have had 2x vote and lied about it... or Crazy's lying.

And calm down Reck, let's wait and see the next challenge before jumping to conclusions.

[KageLord]

To all the confused, 13emily14 told us she would be V/LA for 3 weeks, so Chevre decided to let her quit instead of having the one with the most votes from your TC (Karma) get eliminated as per usual. Reck feels that we're getting the shaft, but Chevre assures us that it's not as bad as it seems and we'll see why at the next challenge. So, we await the next challenge eagerly and anticipate a game-changer.

[KageLord]

Thought I had submitted. Ah well.

This happened to me too.

And well done, tribe!!! Hopefully I won't be so pathetically useless on the next one! XD

[KageLord]

Loser Blue Tribes: Kucha, Rotu, Tambaqui, Ulong, Yaxha, Rarotonga, Heroes, plus on this forum - Killer Boys, and the SUMHAS, and the Blue Tribe in this game.
Winner Blue Tribes: Drake (but only because Sandra is that awesome.)

... lol.

And yay for 3 tribes!

[KageLord]

KageLord

and

Moospiker

, how do you feel about Karma and pickemgenius going home?

I think they probably could have seen it coming.

Unfortunately, it appears that the game is going to become increasingly about alliances and less about the challenges. However, since the jury will consist of the voted out castaways here, it becomes interesting that by getting rid of someone you may be losing a vote in the final.

[KageLord]

KageLord

, would you say the remaining castaways are playing with a tribe-mentality or an individual-mentality? Or a mixture of both?

I would say it's becoming increasingly individual, but at this point there is still an alliance-mentality more than a tribe-mentality, which is unfortunate.

[KageLord]

Yare yare... mendokusena!

[KageLord]

KageLord and xRECKONERx, how do you feel about making it to merge?

I feel pretty good about making it this far. The future of the game is still a complete mystery though.

[KageLord]

Woah... this is intense...

Oh hey, herp derp, guess what? I never lied to diginova, never told him anything. I also never lied to Crazy or told him anything of the sort. KageLord was in with us, but then next thing I heard I had people sending me convos that he was supposedly having that hinted at his departure from the alliance so I thought he had left us.

Can you send me these convos? The only people I remember talking to are you, BB, and emily at the very beginning, which dissolved after a couple ICs.

[KageLord]

Yes, mallow. That's all there is to the challenge, I think.

[KageLord]

Lol, fail on my part with the submission. I realized this morning that I hadn't submitted, so gave it a shot. Welcome Week really does get in the way.

About alliances, I'm sorry that the game is essentially decided by them and not based solely on play. But, I suppose that's just part of it. I'm also sorry that someone apparently gave Reck a fake convo to get him to mistrust me, though I'm glad BB didn't actually give up once the Reck-dram-Cybele-Drench final became apparent.

[KageLord]

OH COME ON!
I had that result sitting around for forever, I just forgot to submit >.>

Same story for me. My result was .1832 seconds.

[KageLord]

... ... ... ... ... Impressive trickery by Reck, I'll tell ya that.

[KageLord]

Not really my place, but I'm going to assume Reckoner won a vote reversal at the immunity auction 2 challenges ago...

This was my guess.

[KageLord]

Oh yeaaaaaaaaah. You're right. Cybele got the Vote Nullifier that time, but Reck didn't get anything. So the options are either that Reck got some kind of reversal thing in the first Mystery Lot auction (no time to go back and check if he won anything now) or Chevre accidentally switched Berry's name with Reck. Or Berry voted against himself.

[KageLord]

I think he means in the finals, which would probably be 4.

Probably Reck, you (mallow), Crazy, and Moo, where Reck wins.

[KageLord]

Ah. True...

Scratch that. That still leaves the door open for Crazy and Moo to win.

[KageLord]

So is RECK the Danni Boatwright or the Cirie Fields of this season? And will I be the Rafe Judkins or the Parvati Shallow?

No clue who those are. O.o

And not "betray" so much, mallow. Just that one of the remaining has to win while the others lose. I would be ecstatic if that turns out to be you, but I'm not optimistic is all.

[KageLord]

Was that a self-vote, KageLord? XD

F4, wooh!

... I actually didn't submit a vote.

[KageLord]

Kage

Lord

Last one. I spent most of the game without talking to you, yet in this past TC I came really really close to taking your offer. Ultimately, though, I could trust Moospiker more than you. I'm not sure what you were planning to do, but since you missed the deadline, I see I automatically made the correct decision; my vote wouldn't have made any difference. Anyway, you have my respect as a player (you had me scared to death at F7, F6, and F5! F6 I know for sure you were trying to get me out.) and I didn't believe you for a second when you said you had no delusions of winning this game.

Hm? To tell you the truth, I was just trying to get Reck out since our counter-alliance thing started. I thought there might be a reason none of you (except maybe Berry) wanted to vote Reck out, but since I was barely a member anyway, I couldn't really push the issue. And you can believe what you want, but that was honestly what I thought. As soon as Berry went out, I knew it was over for me. The only time I actually tried to get you out was when I thought Reck would be eliminated (instead of Berry) and figured you had a double vote.

I honestly think Reck is magic. I didn't think he would be able to get you guys to take Berry out before him (and me out before him as well). I suppose the end of Survivor is actually not about getting rid of whoever is the biggest threat as I previously thought it was. Well played, Reck. And I'm actually sorry about the dram thing. If it was my decision, dram would have made it to the Final 4, or at least the Final 5. And I still want to know what was up with that whole "I betrayed you" chat thing since I still have no clue about that...

[KageLord]

However, alliances within alliances are the most stable.

Win. GG.

[KageLord]

The idea is that in each alliance you spread the idea that you are trustworthy and awesome. Then when you come out of the alliances, everyone thinks you're trustworthy and awesome for themselves. It's called Allianception.

[KageLord]

Hey! I am so, Paschal!

I have no clue who Paschal is...

[KageLord]

RECK, I promised you that I wanted to keep you around until right before the FTC and then vote you off. I kept that promise.

Drench is the only person I backstabbed in this game. He's the one that should be mad, not you. I kept you 3 Tribal Councils longer than when you were SUPPOSED to leave.

If I voted off Moo tonight, then

that

would be a backstab.

Actually you also backstabbed Black and Kage

That's debatable. I'd argue "no," but just like with RECK, I can see the argument for "yes," even though by his definition, you can hardly breathe without "backstabbing" someone.

Eh, idk. If Crazy stabbed us, so did Moo, Reck, and mallow. I consider each a bit of backstabbing, even though it wasn't specifically stated that we were to be together until the finals. When forming an alliance, unless you are specifically notified that you are out of the alliance and there is a legit reason for it, I think it's still somewhat backstabbing. That said, this game is inherently about backstabbing. I have no hard feelings about it (though I do know who I'm likely to vote now).

By the way, out of those names I put up there, Reck is the one I consider backstabbed me the least. With the counter-alliance thing, I'm pretty sure it was stated at the forming that it was to be a counter-alliance against

Reck

, Cybele, Drench, and dram. Right there in the purpose statement is our stated dissolving point (when the people we are against are all out).

[KageLord]

Yeah, I didn't really understand Berry going before Reck either. I thought it would be Reck, then Berry, then me and/or mallow, ending with Crazy and Moo.

[KageLord]

Now Kage warned me that Crazy was coming after me but I didn't believe him. Looks like he intended to backstab me however...

Note for the others: this was before it was announced that there would be an F3 instead of F2. At the time (F5), I assumed (pending the results of ICs) I would become 5th, mallow 4th, Reck 3rd (or Reck 4th, mallow 3rd), and then final between Crazy and Moo.

Before then, if mallow, Crazy, and Moo had gone along with the counter-alliance until the end, it would have been Reck 6th, then whoever between the team of BB and I and the team of Crazy and Moo could get mallow would practically ensure (unless the remaining person not on the team won immunity twice in a row) a final between those 2.

[KageLord]

I actually think Crazy played the game the best as far as alliances and the like goes. Unfortunately, that's probably not going to get him my vote anyway.

[KageLord]

@Crazy: Considering you double-voted Reck, do you really expect me to vote for your win? ;_ ;

I didn't use my double-vote on RECK. I used it on Blackberry. I was the main one fighting to keep RECK in the game as long as he did. Heck, even Moospiker voted for him at F7.

Oooo turnaround. AtE.

[KageLord]

Im joining the Cybele-Drench-dramonic-xRecknorx alliance.

Yay for politicizing a forum game. Not to say that I don't absolutely hate that answer, but is it really what we should be voting on? Christ, he's not running for congress.

[KageLord]

Where does it say that the jury has to keep their decision based on the game?

It's implied. A jury in a court of law doesn't (at least shouldn't) vote guilty or innocent based on whether they share the same beliefs as the accused. They vote based on information relevant to the case (or in our case, the game).

This whole thing hasn't changed my vote, even though I don't have the same beliefs as mallow. Unfortunately for him, my vote wasn't for him anyway.

[KageLord]

MOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! You had my vote the whole way (well, since Final 3 started), buddy.

Told ya I didn't self vote or vote anyone that I hadn't said I would. >>

[KageLord]

Thanks everyone - I'm actually shocked I won this. After all the alliance-y stuff going on I thought I would go out next but the counter-alliance came along and it all worked out perfectly. I have to give A LOT of credit to Crazy for basically being the person who did all the stabbing and so forth,

which somehow left me as the person that didn't have any enemies

. Agreed, mallow should have probably won - he played a lot better than I did too - but I'm pretty happy with how it turned out.

That's kind of why you played this game the best. I mean, you did go back on our counter-alliance thing by voting Berry, but somehow it didn't seem like you were as active in that as mallow and Crazy. Staying in the shadows ftw.

Plus I disliked mallow and Crazy's play for almost letting Reck win (i.e. if he won the last IC, it was gg) and again you seemed conspicuously absent from the blame .

[KageLord]

Plus I disliked mallow and Crazy's play for almost letting Reck win (i.e. if he won the last IC, it was gg) and again you seemed conspicuously absent from the blame .

RECK served as my shield to prevent people from voting me out. Instead of voting for me, they'd vote for RECK, so I got to the F3 without ever getting a vote, other than that one time I intentionally self-voted. I worried if I was in the F4 with you/Moo/mallow that I would be voted off.

Blackberry could have served as my shield, as well, but that wouldn't have worked as well because I would have had to find some way to vote you off before the F4 (because you were allied with him), and I don't think Berry would support that.

I thought mallow voted for RECK at F5. Or at least he wanted to. It really wasn't his doing that made RECK go so far; mainly it was me/Moospiker.

What would you have done if RECK won the last IC though? I'm pretty sure you know as well as everyone else that he was a cinch to win if he was still in at jury vote. I would think it was more likely you would have taken RECK out, then tried to get mallow to join you and Moo vs. me and Berry at F5. Or that, after Berry, you would have taken RECK out and then me (since my only real ally, Berry, would be gone and you could apparently trust Moo), followed by mallow (if it was F2 and ICs didn't get in the way of the order). Even if I survived to jury vote with you, I think you would have won.

Nah, I threw mallow in with you and Moo there because he turned at the same time (i.e. Berry, then me instead of RECK, then Berry, then me or Berry, then RECK, then me).

That's kind of why you played this game the best. I mean, you did go back on our counter-alliance thing by voting Berry, but somehow it didn't seem like you were as active in that as mallow and Crazy. Staying in the shadows ftw.

Plus I disliked mallow and Crazy's play for almost letting Reck win (i.e. if he won the last IC, it was gg) and again you seemed conspicuously absent from the blame .

So basically you think he played the best game because he was lazy and didn't do anything?

If you want to be that black and white about it... yes.

Waiting for the other competitors to self-destruct is a good strategy if you can latch on to someone/some group that will make it far. Even if Moo didn't think about strategy at all in this game, he put himself in the best position by not being active. There's a chance mallow might have won if he completely ignored your question or gave a similar answer to Crazy's.

I appreciate well-timed laziness.

[KageLord]

What would you have done if RECK won the last IC though? I'm pretty sure you know as well as everyone else that he was a cinch to win if he was still in at jury vote. I would think it was more likely you would have taken RECK out, then tried to get mallow to join you and Moo vs. me and Berry at F5. Or that, after Berry, you would have taken RECK out and then me (since my only real ally, Berry, would be gone and you could apparently trust Moo), followed by mallow (if it was F2 and ICs didn't get in the way of the order). Even if I survived to jury vote with you, I think you would have won.

If RECK would have won the last IC, then he would have won the gmae, but that was a risk I thought was necessary to take. And well, it paid off (I lost for different reasons), so I'm not sure you can really fault me for it.

As for me, there were too many question marks if I voted off RECK earlier than I did. If I voted RECK off at F6, then I worried that mallow would side with you and Berry rather than me and Moospiker. I figured that would have been a greater risk than a 1/4 (or even a 1/3) shot of RECK winning the final immunity. If I voted RECK off at F5 instead of you, then I was convinced that mallow and Moo would vote me off instead of you at F4. Maybe not, but there was still a decent chance it might happen. If you won immunity at F4, then I definitely would have been toast, which is at the very least, no better than the risk I took by taking RECK to the F4.

lol pretty sure I can fault you for an unnecessary risk, even if it did pay off. Besides, if that first final IC wasn't nullified, he might have gotten in first and gg.

But that is a reasonable explanation. I just assumed Moo would be more faithful to you than mallow. mallow's the unpredictable one in my book.