Mini 995 - Advance Wars: Mafia Rising - Over!

[Col.Cathart]

Howdy!

Have you played Advance Wars Before?
If so, what ones have you beaten?
Do you like RTS games?
Who got you interested in Mafia?
What's your favorite color?
What's your favorite food?
Favorite Book?
Song?

1. Yup, the first one and Black Hole Rising
2. AW 1. I played on emulator and my comp died before I could finish BHR.
3. RTS? Nope. Except from WH40k: Dawn of War, I never liked any single real time strategy game I played, and I tried Starcraft, Warcraft III, Codename Panzers, Company of Heroes etc. I love turn based strategies though. AW, Heroes of Might and Magic and of course Chess.
4. I played this game in RL as a kid and I liked it. Thanks to that I signed in when I noticed the game like that exist on the Internet as well.
5. Black.
6. Pizza.
7. You can deduce it from my name. If you still don't have a clue - Catch 22 by Joseph Heller.
8. Serenity Painted Death by Opeth

And now, something completely different: the best two pieces of music in AW series.

Grit's Theme
Jess' Theme

And now, something completely different (again):

vote: Fate

For bitching about the setup and outcome of my modded Mini Normal game

BTW, is there a 'Watched Topics' option or a similar one here? It was incredibly useful on the old board.

[Col.Cathart]

Blue moon sucks

Add another reason for my vote. Grit is fucking awesome, how dare you...

[Col.Cathart]

Unless I miscalculated something, jj has 4 votes. Lynch majority is 7 votes. Unless he has 3 vote less to lynch, he's still alive.

Also, it would be cool if anyone would take rule 9) to his heart. Speculating about the setup based on flavor often backfires. Find scum first, then speculate.

I'm against massclaim so early, but if the majority will decide so, I will claim.

Fate, Mixology Mafia was mod abandoned, so you were kinda justified. Why are you acting like a jackass this time?

Socio's reason for voting JJ is a pure bullshit. It's quite obvious JJ disagreed with Kyle's statement, because it didn't make much sense from his perspective (due to him not playing DS. I also did not play it, so that idea seemed bizarre to me as well), while the other argument made sense for him. I completely don't see any shred of logic with picking some arguments or that, and I see even less logic (so that's like a minus logic) why Fate followed it.

bv is so far surprisingly town from his posts, I don't agree with this policy lynch.

At this point, Socio and mallow look the most scummy to me. I also have a slight gut scum feeling from Vasude.

unvote

vote: SocioPath

[Col.Cathart]

Preview Edit: Col, you don't understand, Fate's just a jackass in general. Also, Socio, stop yelling.

I saw at least several games when he played normally. Actually, it's only the second time I see him behaving like that. Maybe that has something to do with Socio's presence...

Because fluff, fluff, more fluff, and a response to the mass claim silliness what makes a townie.

In comparison to you or mallow - yes it is. Besides this is mostly a gut thing, but so far he looks better than in two other games I met him.

Commenting negatively on a policy lynch that isn't happening makes you look dumb.

Thanks for disguising my dumbness in the ocean of your lynchworthy posts.

More Socio votes please. Seriously.

[Col.Cathart]

Please say if you agree with the Nation Mass Claim, thx.

Yes, I'm all for it. I'm all for whatever that isn't a load of bullshit, the band of VIs is currently making.

unvote
Vote: Col.

This IS an OMGUS vote

You do realize, OMGUS is a bad thing, right?

[Col.Cathart]

Blue Moon as well.

[Col.Cathart]

4 Blue Moon, 3 from OS and YC, and 2 Green Earth? Unlikely... I think it's a pretty safe bet, someone claiming BM is scum.

Either FEMM is really scum and just messed up, or he really is from Blue Moon and someone fakeclaimed it before him, and now thanks to him not reading his PM properly and not having good memory, he just made a huge misunderstanding. I wouldn't be so fast with erasing option #2.

FEMM definitely enters my scumlist with that, but considering the other people claiming BM beside me, are mallow and Socio, so my two biggest suspects ATM, it makes things more complicated. I'm still happy with my Socio vote for now, though I'm not against FEMM lynch in any way.

Also - Oh irony! - Looks like all of my top 3 current suspect claimed the same nation as me.

[Col.Cathart]

Orrrrrrr, 1 of the 4 BM claims are scum who actually is a clone of a Blue CO, maybe?

What happened to the third Green Earth Commander then?

[Col.Cathart]

Also, just as a flavour point of order, Green Earth only has two COs until Dual Strike: Eagle and Drake. Jess only show up in DS.

Nope. Jess appeared in BHR. I only played first two AW games, and I remember playing with her.

[Col.Cathart]

b) There are actually four blue moon players and two players have the same character name and all are town (unlikely, but still possible)

VERY unlikely. It just sounds preposterous.

I'm still suspicious of you as well. Just because Fate says your town doesn't mean I believe him.

Last time I checked, your vote on my was for OMGUS reason. Anything new happened, or you're basing your logic on 'He suspects me, so he's scum'?

[Col.Cathart]

Well I don't trust Fate and him saying that your town worries me. You two could be scum buddies. Or, Fate is buddying up with you so if he flips scum, then you have your head on the chopping block.

If you say so...

Anyway, I agree with Blue Moon nameclaim, should reveal who's bullshiting here.

[Col.Cathart]

I'm Grit.

[Col.Cathart]

I am Sasha

I call bullshit.

But I want FEMM to claim before pursuing this further.

I can't believe I'm actually saying it... but I agree with Socio.

[Col.Cathart]

I don't know if my character is exclusive. lolwut

Just check if the portrait of your character from role PM matches one of the characters on the first page. If no, then he/she is from DS/other later game.

Still waiting for FEMM claim before voting Mallow. Especially now, when he has 5 votes, and we don't know how we need to lynch him.

[Col.Cathart]

Money Talks-You have infiltrated behind enemy lines. You know for sure that one of your fellow blue moon members is a spy. However knowing this information comes at a cost. If investigated by a cop, you will appear guilty. Furthermore, upon being lynched you will appear to be sided with the mafia until the actual mafia is found.

Oh how convenient...

unvote

vote: mallowgeno

That's L-1 (static ability says nothing about number to lynch votes so I assume we need normal majority)

1) If you really are a Death Miller, than why you didn't claim at the beginning of the day?

2) DM should be treated as scum anyway.

3) My gut screams 'no', especially in combination with your overall play and this claim being way too fitting to our current situation, which sets at least several alarms in my head.

To those who played Dual Strike - is there ANY flavor reason Sascha could be in any way a Death Miller, or Miller at all?

Actually, I think quicklynching would be better in this game so that it makes the game have a theoretical D1 start(Remember: Real Time!). Rather than wait for scum to hit us with an NK before we lynch which makes it an N0 start. Act before scum can.

What do you guys think?

How do you know, scum actually have a D1 kill with a cooldown, Instead of a right to kill after any lynch, or no kill except from special abilities of some of the scum, or some other possibility?

[Col.Cathart]

Would anyone have believed me then as opposed to now?

You would have much better chance, yes. It's a common and probably the best strategy for a miller.

[Col.Cathart]

I'm still not convinced, and 'lynch me' posts are like a berserk button for me.

Hearing from FEMM or his replacement would be awesome though.

[Col.Cathart]

That's a second player coming up with a major bullshit alert.

unvote

vote: FEMM

For the record - mallow is still scum.

[Col.Cathart]

This is wayy too unorganized for Daytalk. Ugh. I'm confused.

I prefer lynching mallow though. Out the two of them, he's the one who acted like he has daytalk.

True dat. Contradiction is a contradiction though. In addition, it was a contradiction in ROLE claim. Those are really REALLY rarely made by townies. Not to mention we already have 3 OS claims, so his Max claim is even less possible (unless there is a Nell role somewhere)...

Also, CC anyone?

You meant me, or Counter Claim?

[Col.Cathart]

Why can't we just settle on lynching both? Does it matter in which order?

[Col.Cathart]

Why can't we just settle on lynching both? Does it matter in which order?

Not really, no. I prefer lynching mallow first. Do you disagree?

I wanted to initially say 'I don't care, both are scum'.

But...

unvote

vote: Mallow

I have a new theory. FEMM did a mistake and claimed Blue Moon (or rather 'Blue Alliance'). Seeing as Socio claimed Olaf and I claimed Grit, scum mallow was probably pretty sure FEMM is going to claim Colin, and so that Sascha fakeclaim.

Hold your horses with no CC on Max though. One of the OS FEMM voters may actually be Max who doesn't want to reveal yet another player.

Anyway, we need either a flip from FEMM or mallow. ATM, I think mallow should go first, but I can go back to FEMM at any moment, if others will want to lynch him first.

[Col.Cathart]

So, I guess we reached the lynch limit before the turn of the tides. Too bad about mistake, but it gives more credit to my theory about fakeclaiming mallow

In case vote count is reset:

vote: mallowgeno

[Col.Cathart]

Guys don't be so hasty in voting. We now have time to think whether we want it or not so we should slow down a bit and figure out this blue moon situation.

I think that situation is solved already:

There are 2 Blue Moon players in here - Me and Socio.

Mallowscum and his buddies probably decided to each one fakeclaim different nation. It worked pretty well, until FEMM did a stupid mistake (that will hopefully lead us soon to a great victory - more on that later), and the ruckus with 4 BM players happened.

Socio claimed Olaf, I claimed Grit. Mallow seeing this was probably convinced that FEMM will claim Colin, so in advance he prepared Sascha nameclaim, and soon after that Death Miller thingy.

Why I think that? The thread title, the opening post, so far everything suggest this game is based on second game (actually no wait... We don't even have a player proof on that so far, as Olaf, Grit and Max are from the first game and Sascha is from DS, but this only escalates my point), then what the hell is Sascha doing in here? Without Colin on the top of that? Without anyone else saying anything about having a DS character?

tl;dr

Mallow is scum. I know it's nothing new, but I want to make a post with all my thoughts posted to keep the track of them.

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Now, for some game analysis.

Nations so far:

4 Orange Stars (FEMM flipped as Max, 3 claims)
3 Blue Moon (3 claims, one likely bullshit)
2 Green Earth (2 claims)
3 Yellow Comet (3 claims)

Now let's assume that:

a) Mallow is scum
b) There are 3 scum (most common number in Mini game)

4 Orange Star
2 Blue Moon
2 Green Earth
3 Yellow Comet
1 Scum (Mallow)

(this is also a

tl;dr

version of everything above)

So where are the 2 remaining scum?

One of them is for 95% hidden in players claiming Orange Star. 4 claims seems to represent bullshit enough.

The last one? Looking at the stats above I'm going to say that the last scum fakeclaimed Yellow Comet.

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Also

vote: accelerate cooldown

[Col.Cathart]

Sounds about right to me, though there's more wiggle room with OS COs. OS nameclaim then?

Not yet. Let's deal with Mallow first.

With the weirdness behind Mallow's claim, is it possible that scum doesn't have fakeclaims?

Possibly. If my theory about fakeclaiming nations is correct, those are probably guys from Black Hole, and so they don't have a fakeclaim.

[Col.Cathart]

Who was the third Yellow Comet claim?

If you're asking who claimed YC last, then it was you Jelly was first, Reck was right behind him.

[Col.Cathart]

All nationclaims (in order in which people claimed with the exception of FEMM who is confirmed [for the record: he claimed last and claimed Blue Moon on the top of that]):

Orange Star:
- FEMM (Max) -

CONFIRMED

- RBT
- Fate
- Zhero

Blue Moon:
- Mallow (Sascha)
- Cathart (Grit)
- Socio (Olaf)

Green Earth:
- Vasude
- Kyle

Yellow Comet:
- Jelly
- xReck
- Bv

[Col.Cathart]

wait, are we fullclaiming or something?

No, not yet.

[Col.Cathart]

That's L-1. One more needed.

[Col.Cathart]

@Col: Whatever happened to "take rule 9 seriously"?

I'm analyzing it at my own risk.

[Col.Cathart]

So... I

should

support the accelerated cooldown thing?

No matter now, 2/3 of players already voted for it, so it's done no matter what would you do. But yeah, you should as Mallow needs to die ASAP, and waiting 11 days for another lynch will probably be enough for mafia to charge their kill meter anyway.

[Col.Cathart]

Any last words mallow?

He's absent till Friday so I doubt it

[Col.Cathart]

Quod Erat Demonstrandum

People who claimed Orange Star - nameclaim please.

[Col.Cathart]

Anyone down for an OS name claim? Also I feel like there is probably two scum in that group so we should have the least scummiest one claim first.

I disagree. I believe there is only one scum hidden in Orange Star claims and the last one hides behind Yellow Comet claim.

[Col.Cathart]

I think there are 4 scum. But we should go after YC next to be sure.

3 is more common number, and Max/Andy/Sami for OS and first game CO's for BM, GE, YC + 3 Black Hole guys (probably Flak, Lash and Adder) seems like a good setting flavor-wise (Yes, I know, rule #9).

Anyway, let's find a scum in he OS group first then we'll debate.

[Col.Cathart]

Nobody is claiming... maybe they are all scum.

Jesus, calm down. Neither Fate, nor RBT or Zhero came here yet. Paranoid vote and FoS throwing left and right brings more harm than good.

I like posting town reads. It promotes town cohesion. Towns willing to work together are much more dangerous than paranoid towns.

It also helps scum pick the targets for the kill. Since scum basically have daykill at their hands right now, posting town reads is especially dangerous.

[Col.Cathart]

I'm Hachi by the way,

badass CO.

Hachi? That guy from the game-shop?

[Col.Cathart]

FFFUUUUUUUUUUUU!!!


I was in the middle of the large analysis post.

Oh well, bah

[Col.Cathart]

So... My initial assumption about both Socio and Mallow being scum was right after all?

Huh, I need to stop looking at flavor, overcomplicated tactics and such, and go with my hunch instead. It usually works well as it seems...

Good game scum. After those mass claims, the town was doomed, and I wouldn't really help that much (it would mean +1 dead scum though. I would've kill Fate, town would probably lynch RBT then, and Zhero as a lone member of OS with three town-OS members confirmed would be a sitting duck).