Mafia 37: Werewolves - Game over!

[NanookTheWolf]

To start ..

Unvote: No Lynch

, not a particular fan of it myself except in rare cases.

After reading the game, I see that most of the players truly believe that Pooky is a twin/lover. I never saw him say that, I read his poem which was quite tasteful *hugs*(not huggles) Pooky. Just he loves another in the game doesn't necessarily mean it has to do with the sibling role, he could be glad a fellow mason is still alive, fellow wolf perhaps, who knows. Just alot running through my head with that one.

Anyways, On to other issues, don't get me started on the No lynch bit as I don't have anything more to add then what has already been said. Why FD2 voted that way is something that we won't know now.

The reaction from Coolbot was expected so I won't be voting for him. I knew someone would blatantly come out like that (someone always does), and for Coolbot to be the one it doesn't cease to amaze me.

Can't really identify any one particular player's experience as I don't know if some are from other sites and what not, and it feels degrading at times. I do know that some in this game are new to me though as I've not played in any games with them.

Bah!
If I die tomorrow, wolfie did it.
OMG! It's almost poetic. He should be voted just out spite!

Don't trust anything this guy says .. If he dies tomorrow, someone else could have just as easily done it

Although, I will admit it is a habit of mine

Now watch, mafia are going to target Phoebus and try to pin it on me,

Since I like to have a vote somewhere, and the only thing I've got right now is a grudge ..

Oh My God You Suck Vote: Phoebus

[NanookTheWolf]

Fos: Save The Dragons

.. Do you even know what his reasoning was earlier, without having to look it up?

[NanookTheWolf]

Nah, I still love ya Phoebus, I just feel as though you are trying to get me set up for something that may or may not take place, and because of this I OMGUS Voted you. :p

[NanookTheWolf]

Who do you mean to fos here .. You sure it isn't me?

I'm the one who asked about whether or not if you needed to look it up, and I never said that I know whether you did or not ...

[NanookTheWolf]

*noted*

[NanookTheWolf]

vote: bamboomancer

consider it started

Nothing out of the norm .. standard Day 1 voting, although it's not random.

Unvote Panda

Even though he said never to trust me

You can trust me, i'm nice, and white.

Anyways, I'm gonna

Vote: mneme

.

Not really a good reason, but he said that there was potentionally experienced members in the mafia right? Well, that includes you, don't it?

It's not much, but worth a vote to me.

For some reason Dranko unvoted a person that he never originally was voting, unless Panda is another name for Bamboo? Votes for Mneme because of a statement Mneme made about experienced players being in the mafia, (big deal)

I'm willing to lynch anyone who lives in Iowa or Ohio. New hampshire qualifies too, dont get to shady now you hear.

Normal outspoken Dranko, and a bit on the less intelligent side as well.

I'm suspicious of Coolbot for being so eagar to jump back on to me and STD for following him so fast, but my vote on mneme still stands.

6 days later, He states suspiciouns on other players who happen to be bandwagoning him, but still thinks that his vote on Mneme is a better vote .. (To each his own I guess)

I don't really find anything that out of the ordinary from Dranko's post, nothing is related to the game really which is normal, but besides that what constitutes as scummy.

Someone said earlier that we shouldn't be expected to be able to always be voting for sure on Day 1, but shouldn't we at least have some logical explanation behind our votes. It's not all random, sure it starts out that way, but if it really was only a random wagon it would never be able to progress without that person's actions being taken a closer look at, or the person never shows up to defend one's self.

[NanookTheWolf]

Unvote: Phoebus

and

Vote: Esme

.. This puts him at 7 of 11 needed I think.

I would vote Peacebringer for fun, but esme has more votes right now, and the day seems to be dragging enough already.

[NanookTheWolf]

My bad about the guy thing esme .. I normally do check things like that. I used to get called she all the time when I first started here and I can see why it would bother you.

Anyways, back to the game .. I third a claim from Esme.

[NanookTheWolf]

Somehow, I am not sure that brushhopper checked that he wasn't already lynching me.

If you mean voting you, he wasn't already voting for you.

Unvote: Esme

At least for now so we have time to discuss the claim.

Personally, I don't know how I feel either way about it, Esme really could be a villager, but if she were a werewolf, villager would most likely be her claim, right?

[NanookTheWolf]

The vote-count changed from 7/16 to 8/17, so it does take checking to make sure.

Esme, 11 are needed right now to lynch you, 8 at deadline which is the 6th.

Coolbot, Villager means townie yes.

[NanookTheWolf]

I'm sorry I meant June 8th, not the 6th.

[NanookTheWolf]

Right, I mean sure she could claim angel or seer, and villager is never really a safe claim, but it is one that is pretty hard to confirm for obvious reasons.

[NanookTheWolf]

I dont want to force

someone else

to claim, I think we need a cop investigation tonight, and we don't lose much by losing a villager. Also, she can be scum as well.

It almost seems as though you know she

is

a villager ..

Stam, I believe what Peacebringer finds out about Coron is his inactivity, but I could be off base here. I know I find it strange that Coron isn't being as active as normal, but he did post in the VLA thread about that.

Brushhopper, Just because Esme claimed Villager (the correct term) doesn't mean that she is completely innocent. She may have knowledge of Werewolf terms to begin with. Plus the fact that you just claimed villager as well strikes me as odd ..

Fos: Brushhopper

I find your sudden claim totally uncalled for in that it wasn't needed, and Dranko is right in that you seem as though you are trying to set yourself up for a claim later on.

[NanookTheWolf]

Vote: Brushhopper

.. I'd rather kill of someone who claimed for no reason.

Fos: Phoebus

, You are kidding me right. "You like killing Esme off as a villager" .. ?

I did support the Esme lynch earlier, and to be honest Esme still strikes as a bit off, but the fact that Brush just claims without any speculation strikes me a bit more. Basically this is a choice made between two villagers, it's not like I am supporting another bandwagon to get someone to claim here as brushhopper has already done us the favor.

[NanookTheWolf]

After going over his last posts, I tend to believe coron's claim to have real life issues.
Nanook, is your vote a punishment for bad playing or do you really suspect Brushhopper?

Depends on how you look at it I suppose. How do you figure it's punishment really when out of no where he claims. That to me is bad play which makes me suspicious. Isn't bad play usually a key in finding scum, if not then I've been playing wrong since I've joined this site.

[NanookTheWolf]

Well, I just looked over Mneme's posts and it doesn't seem that he had a guilty investigation or nothing obviously. He only random voted in his first post and everything after that were other bandwagons.

Esme does make a good point about Dranko and I would like to hear some more on the issue.

Fos: Dranko

[NanookTheWolf]

WHY IS EVERYONE IGNORING CORON'S QUIETNESS-

good freakin' lord!

Maybe it's because it's occuring in a lot of his games? I am modding a game where his activity isn't as active as his others, so maybe that's why ...

or ..

Maybe he has forgotten about the game and needs to be replaced, I don't know.

Fos: Peacebringer

only because you have been pushing the issue quite hard, something I see mafia doing quite frequently lately to 'lurkers'.

I really don't know why he is being so inactive, if you feel that strongly about it, maybe you should take it up with the mod instead of screaming at us through your posts ..

[NanookTheWolf]

Fine, since I'm already on your suspect list ..

Vote: Peacebringer

You are the one who sat there an decided to yell at the town because something isn't going your way, and I'm the one who looks scummy? I know how you feel about lurkers sure, but that was taking a bit far.

[NanookTheWolf]

Three players and noone has bothered to display the posts of Locus and look at them.

Why didn't you just quote his posts .. I mean he only has three. His posts don't poke out as scum, they seem more like someone who needs to be replaced ..

Unvote: Peacebringer

and

Vote: Esme

I think I've let you be long enough. For someone who is in as much of a bind as you are I would expect more defense then what has been given, and to ask the town to go read another player's posts when you could have just said what was scummy about them or lack of content and such seems to me that you are trying to divert the attention off from yourself.

[NanookTheWolf]

I don't think esme is a warewolf.
I played with her when she was a scum in Newbie 108 and it was nothing like what she is doing here. There she went with the town's flow. Never stood out from the crowd. Here she keeps coming out with new ideas and accusations. I just don't think she would change a winning strategy. If she could hide in a crowd of seven players, it should be much easier to hide in a crowd of 20.

What are you going to do if Esme does turn up as scum? You are defending her a bit hard and are making it pretty obvious. Either you are scum trying to make it look like you aren't, or you are scum trying to cover up for your fellow scum. Something isn't right about the defense ..

Fos: Stam

Of course you could be town as well who just is very defensive of her playing style or something.

[NanookTheWolf]

With 19 alive, it will take 10 to lynch.

BabyJesus replaces Locus Cosecant effective...about 14 minutes ago. Hooray for participation, even though replacing in this game means he'll break his streak...no Day One to be lynched in!

Doesn't mean that he can't be lynched his first day in the game though ..

[NanookTheWolf]

Currently I don't have a lot to comment on, which is why I haven't really posted. I have read the recent posts though and nothing strikes at me worth commenting on. Sorry if I seem to be lurking.

[NanookTheWolf]

Fos: Draygn_mage

as well for lurking .. I would vote for D_rouge, but I do think that he has contributed more so then the dragyn dude and I'm not one usually to vote lurkers, I'd rather they'd be replaced.

[NanookTheWolf]

Considering that my access is pretty scarce currently, I'll place a

Vote: D_Rouge

before it gets to deadline. I'm leaning more towards him being scum then STD.

[NanookTheWolf]

Personally, I really am waiting to hear form D'Rouge as to how he got out of that lynch .. otherwise my suspicion still lays on him.

[NanookTheWolf]

Ok, just for that, I'm going to look back and see who I random voted and vote for them, so I can be even more unproductive.

D_rouge, come back!

Vote: Milkman

Because I seem to remember doing that previously.

Fos: SaveTheDragons

.. Random Voting on Day 5?

I need to think some more about the D'Rouge bit, most likely my vote will go right back if he had nothing to do about it.

@ Mikehart/Whomever: Magistrate? Is that basically the same thing as a mayor .. if so, can a mayor stop the lynch on another player? I think I've dealt with this role in a couple games, but usually it was killed at night before doing anything/or it was determined by the town that it was too powerful to keep around .. so sorry if I sound like a n00b by asking about it.

[NanookTheWolf]

Ok ..

Vote: RolandoftheWhite

I find myself way off when reading his posts. He started off voting for Milkman because of Milkman's post:

Oh, yeah. Vote: milkman for this:

well our first wolf, go town.

He then unvotes Milkman later that night for no reason "For now" .. (at least no reason was stated)

Next, He votes for BabyJesus with no reason stated .. comments on the fact Pooky copied his vote, then in less then an hour later unvotes BabyJesus because he thought that BJ was already investigated, finds that he wasn't then goes right back to his vote.

If this logic be true then why did he vote Milkman to begin with? I think that there may be a connection between the two, and possibly with Pooky. It seems that a lot of Roland's posts are directed at Pooky.

I know some of you may believe Pooky's claim, but think about it logically for a minute. I don't agree with BabyJesus very often, but he does raise a point about Pooky, I mean to come forward with a role like that and not get lynched directly is obscure. The only reason that I'm not voting for him atm is because he is out in the open, and I wouldn't mind hearing some more from Roland on my thoughts.



Classic scum.

Then

[NanookTheWolf]

Ok, Obviously I need to fix that ...

Ok ..

Vote: RolandoftheWhite

I find myself way off when reading his posts. He started off voting for Milkman because of Milkman's post:

Oh, yeah. Vote: milkman for this:

well our first wolf, go town.

Classic scum.

He then unvotes Milkman later that night for no reason "For now" .. (at least no reason was stated)

Next, He votes for BabyJesus with no reason stated .. comments on the fact Pooky copied his vote, then in less then an hour later unvotes BabyJesus because he thought that BJ was already investigated, finds that he wasn't then goes right back to his vote.

If this logic be true then why did he vote Milkman to begin with? I think that there may be a connection between the two, and possibly with Pooky. It seems that a lot of Roland's posts are directed at Pooky.

I know some of you may believe Pooky's claim, but think about it logically for a minute. I don't agree with BabyJesus very often, but he does raise a point about Pooky, I mean to come forward with a role like that and not get lynched directly is obscure. The only reason that I'm not voting for him atm is because he is out in the open, and I wouldn't mind hearing some more from Roland on my thoughts.

To add, I do see your reasoning about testing Dranko's sanity, so lynching Pooky today won't be on my agenda, but you on the other hand, still are.

[NanookTheWolf]

Wine In Front Of Me

If Pooky/Dragon_Mage manage to survive the night, then I highly suggest a lynch on Pooky. If the alliance isn't known by the other lover, then it isn't known by the town, which in turn is bad for the town.

[NanookTheWolf]

If Pooky/Dragon_Mage manage to survive the night, then I highly suggest a lynch on Pooky. If the alliance isn't known by the other lover, then it isn't known by the town, which in turn is bad for the town.

With that stipulation, there is 0% chance that the werewolves will kill them though...

0% is a bit high, don't you think? I've seen this said before, and the person still did get killed, although it's mainly been in cases where the player was a doc or vig, but nonetheless, it isn't always 0%. Plus, if DM is dead come morning, then we can expect a suicide from pooky the following morning and vice versa. If neither of them get killed tonight, then we go after Pooky tomorrow.

[NanookTheWolf]

*hugs his lover tight*

Who would've known the town could be so cold and ungrateful for the risks we'd try to take to help it?

No more hiding our love, no more anonymous letters.

Let's hold each other tight till the end comes.

I don't even know how to respond to that comment ...

Anyways, I'll stick with my vote on Roland for now, the lovers can always be tested at some point anyways .. Worse case scenario is that the bad guys don't waste a night kill on one of them, and we'll just have to lynch one later to see.

[NanookTheWolf]

I have heard enough from Roland-

unvote

, now want to look at this lynch.

Come up with anything oh holy one?

[NanookTheWolf]

well to be honest i believe him and i hope the magistrate is willing to save him like he did the last lynch. but i hate slow games almost as much as lynching vanilla townies so i chose the lesser of two evils.

So you choose to vote for roland?

Unvote: RolandoftheWhite

and

Vote: Mikehart

I'm still suspicious of Roland and his claim doesn't bring anything for me to be against continuing on with his lynch, but what Mikehart just did definatly rises suspicions on him in my book.

[NanookTheWolf]

Yes, but you also said that you believed his claim .. if that is true, then why vote for him? You say that you'd rather lynch a claimed vanilla townie, but if you think that townie is innocent, then why support the lynch? Difference between what you said along with how I feel is that I don't think that Roland really is town, I find him more of the scummy type. I will still vote for him, but I had to say something about your post, and at least point it out.

Unvote: Mikehart

and

Vote: RolandoftheWhite

[NanookTheWolf]

Vote: PookyTheMagicalBear

.. Let's test this out.

I agree with Dranko definately being naive or scum, since that appears to be the only possibility.

[NanookTheWolf]

cuz godfathers so come out to get killed so early.

You're pretty much naive at this point.

vote STD

Ok, I don't get what the problem is here .. We are voting for a guy who claims to be a werewolf? What's wrong with that ... ?

Too many people in this game want to believe that Pooky is innocent, or are even thinking that lynching him may be a mistake because if we kill him, we kill that little Dragon guy too ...

Another reason being that players in the game I guess assume that Pooky isn't ballsy enough to pull off such a gambit, well I'd beg to differ.

Pooky and Dragon could both very well me werewolfs, didn't anyone think of that, no because that is just to stupid of a move, but think about it. What if that is what they really did? Don't you think that it's worked to much of there advantage?

Maybe, Pooky is bad and DM really is good, then I'm sorry that we have to destroy a good guy for a bad one, but I personally think it's worth it.

Finally, they both could be good guys which I find highly unlikely just because Pooky claims to be a wolf. Have you ever heard of a good wolf? I haven't .. I suggest that all of you take a better glance at this, and possibly take the risk of this lynch, I mean worst case scenario is that we lose two good players, which I don't see as being the actual turnout scenario.

Not only that, but you've got D'rouge joining the STD wagon, just because he thinks that Pooky is innocent, so he'd rather join another wagon in hopes it gets big .. If pooky ends up guilty, I'm going to have to go back to voting D'rouge again, just as I did a day or two prior. D'rouge wouldn't even be here if it weren't for Mikehart, and why Mikehart saw D'rouge as innocent is beyond me.

[NanookTheWolf]

Didn't pooky turn out to be lying about his werewolf ness in an attempt to catch dranko or something? That was my understanding of the situation.

Lynch All Liars!

[NanookTheWolf]

My logic is that he very well could be lying about the fact that he was lying about being a werewolf, I mean you all are driving me crazy on this issue, and I can't believe that Pooky is actually skating by in some of your minds.

The lynch all liars bit that I quoted from Jeep isn't from another game BJ, it's pretty well known on the site, kinda like your kendall bit, so don't even try to use that as part of your offense against me.

Reason why I'm pushing so hard for lynch more so then most (at least that seems to be what Pooky thinks) is because I am pretty confident he is scum. His story has changed so many times, and I know Pooky to be a pretty damn good player and I wouldn't doubt him trying to pull a gambit.

Why in anyone's right mind who is good try and say that they are bad, then turn around and state the opposite again .. That is entirely too much mind harassing of the town in my opinion and it seems to be luring a lot of you in.

I'll tell you now that I am nothing more then a civilian (townie), so basically you are wasting your time.

[NanookTheWolf]

You know BJ, you take that to seriously .. I wasn't even using that as part of my offense .. if you want to take it that way then more power to you, but do not use it against me.

.. and in all honesty I don't buy that all gg's lie as much as the bgs, at least from when I play. When I'm good I try not to lie, and when bad I have to lie, so go figure.

[NanookTheWolf]

Reason why I'm pushing so hard for lynch more so then most (at least that seems to be what Pooky thinks) is because I am pretty confident he is scum. His story has changed so many times, and I know Pooky to be a pretty damn good player and I wouldn't doubt him trying to pull a gambit.

I think his story was pretty clear from the beginning, when did he change it?

I'll tell you now that I am nothing more then a civilian (townie), so basically you are wasting your time.

Hmm... townies are called villagers in this game, not civilians.
You look more and more suspicious to me, expect my vote soon, unless you explain me that part about Pooky's story changing.

Um, maybe his story changed when he said he was no longer a werewolf .. ?

As for me calling myself a civilian, I do know that townies are villagers in this game, I still call townies civilians though.

BJ, Can you prove to me he is innocent? This is mafia, and sorry if I don't trust anyone fully unless they can actually provide evidence in my mind. Just because another player has a connection to him doesn't mean squat in my book.

[NanookTheWolf]

speaking as the condemned here, doesn't it seem a bit weird that nanook has desided to not only vote for Pooky, but is getting out to push the bandwagon instead of letting people make their own decisions

That is why I am voting you. Hopefully others will realize this and start looking at the people (you included) who were pushing the Pooky bandwagon for all it was worth AGAINST logic.

A bit hypocritical aren't you? What's the difference of me pushing for a bandwagon that I really do see fit in my mind, and you the same?

Also, I was under the assumption that Pooky said he wasn't a werewolf, and re-reading isn't going to help me, as that is what got me in this mess to begin with.

I'll

Unvote: Pooky

for now, and I am totally lost here. I need to know exactly what Pooky was lying about, so I can make some sense of this and possibly come up with a better conclusion, because the reason why I have been pushing so hard for the lynch is because I was under the assumption that Pooky basically started off by saying that he were a werewolf, then the town had Dranko test his sanity on Pooky because supposedly Pooky although a good werewolf would still turn up bad, and then once the day had started Pooky changed his story.

[NanookTheWolf]

Well, for some reason I've had it in my head that he did, and I'd like to figure out why .. but I don't have a lot of time to do that right now, since I have to work in a little while, and I've got a date tonight, and then off to work again tomorrow.

[NanookTheWolf]

Townie, Civilian, Villager, Townsfolk .. they are all the same, and I'm sorry if for a split second I forgot that I was playing in a Werewolf game .. (It's not like I go look at my pm when I am a

villager

)

Lynch me if you must, but when I come up townie be ready to go after that damn bear for me!

[NanookTheWolf]

oh noes!

It's the dreaded "If you lynch me, you'll be sorry" defense!

Run!

I haven't read my role PM for a week or more and I remember I am a villager. Maybe if it was actually in your PM you'd have remembered?

First off, I never said that you would be sorry if you lynched me .. I mean come on, I'm only a TOWNIE.

Second, I haven't read my pm since I had gotten it ..

[NanookTheWolf]

BAH

[NanookTheWolf]

You know what's funny about this game .. I totally forgot that Pooky was a werewolf, until like right before I got lynched. I pressed so damn hard for his lynch, that I guess it payed off in the end, I mean I can't believe you all let him live with that claim.

Bad town! .. Bad!