Open 226: Big Love - Game over! Town wins!

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Vote Muthaa

Burn the witch!

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screw you -.-

Does anyone think this comment is scummy? It's a lite OMGUS.

Is it?

RNG directed votes are (lightly) scummy because there is no arbitrary reason behind the vote. Therefore, your vote conceals your intent other than the fact you want your intent obscured. That said, a self vote from a RNG isn't scummy. If done right, it can even generate discussion faster.

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ARGHHHHHHHHHHHH OH MY GOSH IM SO IN LOVE WITH YOU GIRL NA NA N NA NA NA NA NA NA OH MY GOD SO MANY WAYS TO LOVE YOU

...Must not...policy lynch...annoying posters...

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Don: Are you saying a reason exists?

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I see a few people who look slightly town, I don't get much scum reads right now, but Millar has me confused on how to react. I really wanna just say he's trolling.

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Mod: If requested by enough people, can we replace Millar?

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Vote; Millar

I don't think Robo is scum, even if Millar is town. His statements make sense, but Millar looks like scum. I would like to think it's just Millar, but he's just so anti-town, there might be good chance he is scum.

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Robo, I don't understand and actually consider there to be a chance that both you and Millar are scum together. But...

I don't know. You seemed sensible until you just said "Oh, well, if you wanna act normal Millar, I won't vote you." And I cannot see any possible reason for his action...

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unvote

I would like to point out that I don't really like Xite and am only not voting him at the moment because i need to figure out what the "plan" was and decide if it was scummy or not.

In other news, millar is still annoying but I am guessing not scummy. I honestly don't understand him one way or the other.

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Whacka perfectly expressed why I didnt want to hammer Xite yesterday with his scum hunting paragraph.
I just don't believe that a mafia would put such a blatant lie out there where it can easily be countered by millar. It's a very risky thing to do and would most likely result in a lynch as seen. Mafia are generally much more careful about their play.

That said, I've seen mafia players play reverse psychology. Given Xites join date, I would rate him as a likely candidate to lynch for upcoming days but would also give him the benefit for day one.
Policy lynches are pretty stupid, and makes gameplay rather monotonous.

Also thanks whacka, appreciate the explanation.

Who would you lynch today?

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VOTE: chihuahua0

It's all been said, plus Fidelis has been convinced as chi's lover, so I think this wagon is the clearly the best by far.

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Uh, no? one of the scum would also be dead enigma. if the rest of your math is correct, it's 10:2.

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I take that back. [/open set up fail]

YOU are correct, sir. Have a cigar.

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From what I know about Don, this behavior might just be him.

And I know very little, though.

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A note to people who wonder why I don't shoot off votes willy-nilly - A vote (To me) means that I believe that there is a good chance the person I am voting for is scum and that I think that the information gained from their death warrants the lynch.
I refuse to impulse vote (Outside of RVS, even though I also dislike that), as it just says to me that people are flip-flopping and flailing to seem like an aggressive town, which is one of the reasons Don is appearing to be the most DANGEROUS scum possibility that we could have at this time.

Case to come on how I think Don is a sacrificial scum.

P.S.
Shattered I think is just an idiot, I mean, we wrote off Millar for almost the same thing, now, I am not forgetting Millar, nor do I consider his "Safe", but I still think that Shattered is a misguided townie, trying desperately to help the town.

Case to come on why I think Shattered is an

idiot

misguided townie.

Case to come on why I think Mr. Sandman might be Don's lover.

Explanations to the following questions to come:

- Who are you suspicious of from day 1? (Sandman)

Um, why would helping the scum by proving two people are lovers together be a town move? If Mr. Sandman is Don's lover, he can save by claiming, so this is pointless.

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Vote Shattered Viewpoint

Switz's case makes more sense than David's post, but I don't that one isn't unfounded either.

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With one scum left, this is a good time for lovers to claim, is it? Or would there be value in waiting? (I suppose with such a large town, we could hack through those who are unconfimed by confirming lover pairs? could be wrong.

Vote: Wacka

Connection theory from yesterday?

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which is why I suggested a lover claim. If masons, then Don's plan makes more sense. But, the way I look at it, there's one scum alive. He'll have to kill the lovers now to have a chance in the later game. if there are 14 alive, and 4 are lovers. Then that leaves ten within whom scum could be. But, I suppose we could wait for the last moment for the lovers... *shrugs* I'm not too good with best play in open setups where town can be considered winning so significantly. I'm learning now though. ^_^

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meh, the bandwagoning is the most suspicious move of the day.

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V/LA until Monday. I apologize for this. I will post when I get back.

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I am okay with this.

unvote

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VOTE: Robo
Obvious bandwagon is obvious.

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I say stick with Robo, figure out mess tomorrow.

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VOTE: robo

Seems okay.

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Okay, wait, stop stop stop.

Unvote

Let's think about this. We're about to quicklynch Wacka, who is so fed up with the slow pace of this game that he is (childishly) replacing out. That doesn't read like scum. I feel like scum would threaten to replace out but not actually go through with it, or actually take the time to set up an argument. Maybe it's WIFOM and maybe it's counter to Wacka's meta, but it's enough to worry me.

We have 3 full days to look back on, with 2 confirmed scum and 5 confirmed townies to look at during that time. Right now, our ratio of town to scum is 10:2. Yes, we've had a bad few Days, but we have the advantage still unless we give it up by pushing lynches at breakneck speed.

So, let's do this right. Let's post cases, make arguments, and figure out what our best options are for toDay.

First off, my thoughts on the Day so far. It's only been a page since Night ended and we made it all the way up to L-2 on one of this game's players without anyone even posting a full case. I'll take part of the blame for this, since I jumped on Wacka without gathering any hard facts, but I think there might be scum involved too. Here are the players who voted Wacka just now, with their reasons.

Switz - Voting Robo without giving reasons or being aware of what was going on
Robo - No reason
Muthaa - Wagon growing, attempts to confuse the doc on D2(?)
David - Wacka's reaction to his votes
Enigma - Wacka's reaction = Appeal to Emotion

Of these four (other than me, obv), the scummiest is Robo. Pair that with this comment (bold mine):

Listen, this game has been horrible, we were plain lucky with the first two scum being lynched. We all really gave up on this. Lets just finish this up instead of constantly discussing nothing and just lurking.

I don't care who is killed, lets just kill

someone

.

And this one, in which he decides to complain without doing anything about the problem:

I hate how instead of having trouble finding scum because of all pro town players we are having trouble finding scum because everybody who is living is scummy so we don't know who to kill. We had this game in the bag. Day Two and two scum down.

Now this game is falling apart.

Its so Epicfail.

Now, in the interest of covering our bases, let's go back and see if there's a case on Robo throughout the game, and not just make a kneejerk reaction based on what we think at the moment.

HoS: Robo

Switz, you obviously don't understand.

We aren't going to catch scum by scumhunting. Not this time. I said it before, there is to many scummy things about each individual player to build a case on one person that outdoes all the other players.

I am willing to lynch Wacka due to his, "And Robo, don't screw this up for us "

Right there he basically claims scum. I know that calls me scum too but he knows hes going down. So why not take someone down with him? Since I am one of the scummiest players, he chooses me. Which is the obvious choice.

Now please, let us Lynch this scumbag.

This defense is scummy because it just says,
I'm no worse than every other scummy person in the game."

Robo has a history with zaj, and it repeats with wacka. The move is to eliminate Robo (and if he's still scummy, then wacka) because this defense is terrible and the signs point to him for scum

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An argument for the invalidity of someone calling for your lynch is a defense. You reason we shouldn't lynch you because everyone else is just as bad. You where head to head with zaj, who flipped town yesterday. Now, I can grant you that TvT happens. But two days in a row in oddly similar ways? Just seems off. Maintaining position for now.

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Not much. Scum could reasonably be said to rage quit after such terrible partners. *shrugs*

I'd be opposed to a Miyu lynch without a response. Xite was pretty bad too guys.

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Odds Robo is scum is possibly higher than 80%.
What are your questions robo?

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You just seem to be looking for a scapegoat, but if I've missed your question for 5 pages (I don't feel like checking), then I may have jumped the gun. As for your question, you said that everyone else is scummy in response to an attack on you. Since you appear to have not answered the initial gripes about you in any other way, you are either suggesting (which I may have incorrectly assumed) that you are as scummy as everyone else and therefore not scum or simply mentioning an irrelevant fact (everyone else is scummy as well) but then not answered the initial attack.

Both are scummy, so I'm not altering my position much in either case.

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It's too soon to quick lynch guys. David, answer the questions so we know if it's you or Miyu who should be lynched. You can't just vote someone and expect people to follow.

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Letting him off the hook is poor, and your wifoming yourself out of rational thought there Sandman. I understnad, but which one is more likely? Probably that DP is scummy unless the hammering post was done for null/town reasons.

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I dunno. I have no idea who's scum here. I don't think DP is scum off hammer.

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If I were scum, I'd lurk. Granted, this doesn't clear me (makes me look bad even), but just to point out that Muthaa is also scummy based on that. I mean, two scum deaths in row? Big game? I'd run off with my tail between my legs at this point.

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Hey guys, just got a better computer. Sorry about that absence. Um, indecisive is more of scum tell, but ytill, what's your defense of "changing votes" so frequently. Also, is there anything about me I need to answer asap because I won't read until tonight.

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I think someone directed something at me about how I'm town. (Zero, I believe) Actualy, nothing seems to scream that I am town in this game and I don't have much to say other than DP is weird and looks kinda suspicious for his thoughts on Ythill. Ythill is scummy for jumping on people to seemingly find what sticks. However, I don't really know about the other players other than they don't stick out to me. (Well, Miyu is neutral because though townish now, her prior was pretty meh and unfavorable.)

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I'm trying to decide which SV vote looks worse, Sanxion's or mallow's. I see two opportunistic jumps at a growing wagon, and I'm not convinced that SV had voted himself tactically in anyway (e.g. because there wasn't any scum on his wagon).

Everything else just seems hard to quantify, you know, and this isn't a battle of attrition. We should let the vote counts do some of the heavy lifting here. The more I read over the flipped scum's posts, the more I feel like it's a wasted effort trying to draw any solid conclusions.

Just to be honest and probably offer no help, I most likely voted SV because it was a growing wagon and no one looks very town, generally speaking.

*Whoever posted above me... Miyu?, I dunno* Also, I reach the opposite conclusion and get a more scum vibe from the early actions you don't condemn him for and evend feed some town credit. I think that scum will threaten to vote someone who is scum and do it when inevitable more often than they will just vote someone, hold it, pressure, and constantly bring attention to them that way. It's opinion, but it does lead to a slightly more scum read of his actions and makes him look worse. Now, I could be wrong, but it is my opinion on such actions.

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David

Paltry needed a sump-pump, that is all. David has been a little more active. He's attacked 9/18 slots including Wacka/Miyu, mallow, Sanx, 4 town, and both dead scum. Of those he voted all of them except Sanx and SV. He's buddied to or defended Xite, RC, ZF, and 4 town. Though I agree that David's entrance was strong, it was also populist and contained some rolefishing. Overall, he's formed convenient opinions and hasn't really looked for answers. His bandwagoning is atrocious, and is the type that benefits scum (late votes on lynch wagons, safe votes at all other times). His behavior towards me was very strange: he agreed with my scum read on ZF two posts after calling him town, and he later claimed that he was suspicious of me at first though his posts at the time of my entrance demonstrate the opposite to be true.

I love when you say what i've done because I don't remember any of this.

Quoting lack of defense.
Ythill, I don't like the false dilemma feel of if Mallow is town, Miyu is scum. otherwise, thanks for doing work I'm too lazy to do. I'm still mulling over my first real loss...

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Do you have a different take on the evidence that lead me to that conclusion? In brief, Wacka's most suspicious moments were a few posts that seemed like scumslips, the majority of which suggest that mallow's slot is town. Meanwhile, mallow is obv-scum.

People need to post and vote. We have five days until deadline.

mallow is town and scum...?

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I'll gladly vote for scum. Who is it?

IN all seriousness, I've been leaning David, and I thought I've been voting him all along. I'm not sure what the vote count is and sense I've been up for more than a day, now is not a good time to vote. So...later.