Mini 1005: Mafiaphobes! (Game over)

[Friend]

VOTE: Super Smash Bros. Fan

I like Super Smash Bros. too.

Hey guys, I'm Friend. Thought I'd introduce myself.

[Friend]

Pshhh you can never have enough friends.

[Friend]

Hahaha, me too. I bet it's somewhere on teh interwebz though.

[Friend]

And who is that, jay?

[Friend]

Vote: Friend

I don't wanna be frieeeeeeeeeeends.

This just reminds me of Bad Romance. Don't know if that's what you were getting at though lol

[Friend]

Vote: Friend

I don't wanna be frieeeeeeeeeeends.

This just reminds me of Bad Romance. Don't know if that's what you were getting at though lol

YOU WIN A PRIZE!

Noice.

[Friend]

Asking subtle question to end RVS = scum in my experience.

Link me to some games where this has happened.

Also, note that Tasky isn't trying to end the RVS - she's trying to generate more discussion, which is a good thing. I'll answer Tasky's questions when I get home (I have to go in like 5 minutes) but I find this fairly ridiculous.

[Friend]

1) Are you scum?
2) What's the role you prefer to play (nothing to uncommon please), which role do you prefer between townie and scum?
3) What role you hate having in the setup/play against (nothing uncommon please)?
4) What do you think about bandwagons in early game, what in late game?
5) How would you characterize your playing style?
6) What do you think about RVS?
7) How do you hope to find scum?

1. No
2. Town
3. Jesters
4. Good. Bandwagons give us information. One vote ain't gonna do anything useful.
5. I ask lots of questions, am un-trusting, try to get as much info as possible before finalizing my scumpicks.
6. I like it. It does its job.
7. Scumhunting.

unvote

I see my RVS plan was successful.

What are you referring to here?

[Friend]

Asking subtle question to end RVS = scum in my experience.

Link me to some games where this has happened.

Do this please.

[Friend]

P.S. (lol triplepost)

I don't find Tasky's questions to be rolefishing. Answers to the "what role do you like" question are too WIFOMy to analyze anyways.

[Friend]

Oh.
Do you find Tasky scummy for what you claim to be rolefishing?

[Friend]

I don't understand Oso's contradiction. I don't want to defend Tasky here because I think he's pretty scummy anyways, but I still don't get it.

UNVOTE: SSBF
VOTE: Diddin

Jumping all over that came off as quite opportunistic.

[Friend]

SSBF: Tell me what the case on Tasky is, in your own words.

[Friend]

I don't understand Oso's contradiction. I don't want to defend Tasky here because I think he's pretty scummy anyways, but I still don't get it.

Oso: I'd like you to answer these questions before we get deep into the game.

Friend: Ok, but they are not really game related, how does this help?

Oso: They don't really, just might be helpful to me as the game goes along, sort of build a personality profile on you.

Friend: Sounds pretty innocuous but I think I'll pass. They aren't helping the game as a whole as far as I can see.

Oso:But not answering questions is denying information... and thats scummy

Friend: But you said......

Oso:

SCUM

I apologize if that comes off as sarcastic. Best way i could illustrate it without hitting you with an 'Oso certified' text/logic wall. Basically, the contradiction, as I see it, comes in where Tasky comes in and says a list of questions basically have no real bearing on the game except to 'mainly to get out of the RVS' but he his willing to base scum reads off of people who won't answer them based off denying information. Information he has already stated that, in the post where he poses the questions, was nothing more than to get out of RVS. He keeps adding reasons though so I'm sure we are not through with this.

I'm just having trouble seeing the contradiction here. Tasky didn't refuse to answer any questions, just said that the questions would help him scumhunt. This is quite possibly just my stupidity though.

[Friend]

By the way, I still think diddin's play has been a little...off. His wagon on me didn't do anything, but he's proud of it like it helped out the town. And then harping on Tasky for Oso's "contradiction" seems like he's taking advantage of the situation.

@quadz and Oso: while Tasky said the questions weren't game related, he acted like they helped him scumhunt. If they do, that's fine by me.

[Friend]

I see what you're getting at, I suppose. While I don't think not answering the questions is scummy, I think I can see why he does.

What do you think about diddin, Oso?

[Friend]

But...the reason we're out of RVS is because of Tasky. I don't think anyone mentioned the wagon on me - I didn't even notice.

[Friend]

Guys, take a look at Tasky's join date, posting style, etc. Now tell me, do you really think he's good enough to subtly rolefish like that as scum? Cause I really don't.

@KageLord: how would scum find out a cop/doc through Tasky's questions?

[Friend]

@quadz - he wasn't saying diddin said that specifically. He said that:

"My plan for getting out of the RVS worked, whether my bandwagon succeeded or not" is equivalent to "My bandwagon didn't succeed, so we got out of RVS" logically, like a math problem. Correct me if I'm wrong, xvart.

[Friend]

@Oso: Why the change of heart? You were the one who brought up the contradiction in the first place.

[Friend]

Okay, Oso, I understand.

[Friend]

UNVOTE: diddin
VOTE: vezokpiraka

For following Oso on something he apparently doesn't understand, and then when Oso changes his mind, he does too. It's blatant sheeping.

[Friend]

SSBF. Think about it, now. I'm not defending Tasky on anything else except the rolefishing accusations, because I do NOT think Taskyscum is capable of thinking "hm I'll try and out some PRs with these RQs" in a million years.

I asked you to give me a Tasky case because I wanted to see if you were sheeping on a case you didn't really understand (which I think vezo is doing now). I decided you weren't after your post. Just wanted to explain my reasoning behind it.

And I'm not trying to give Tasky a "n00b pass." If I find him scummy for other things besides the rolefishing deal, I'll call him out on them. But I just cannot see Tasky being smart enough to try and subtly fish out PRs like you're claiming he did.

[Friend]

Vezo - huh?

Those two things don't correlate. Newbscum sheeps (yep, talking about you here). Newbscum doesn't try to out PRs by using RQS.

[Friend]

Hm. You're right. Didn't catch that.

Although his unvote still reeks.

[Friend]

Especially because he unvotes Tasky and then, in his next post, calls Tasky scum. Doesn't match up.

[Friend]

ITT defending people is a scumtell

I'm not saying Tasky is or isn't scum, which Jay doesn't seem to get. I'm saying he was NOT rolefishing with his RQs. Nothing more, nothing less.

[Friend]

you + diddin

[Friend]

Vezo, why did you ask me for my top two scumpicks and then not even talk about them afterwards? Seems to me like some fake scumhunting going on.

[Friend]

Defending people is a scum tell, period. Defending a person establish a connection between you and that person you're defending. If the person you're defending flips scum, this can help people catch you if you're scum. If you're town, it's going to make you look bad. And it does not matter how you defended Tasky, it is still a scum tell.

This might, by a small margin, be the stupidest thing I've ever heard.
SSBF, what if the person I'm defending flips town? Is that still a scumtell?
Defending people I think is town is how mislynches DON'T occur. If that person flips scum, well then I look pretty bad, and I agree hardcorely defending someone who flips scum warrants serious suspicion. BUT if they flip town, it's definitely NOT a scumtell, and until Tasky flips, it's not a scumtell either.

[Friend]

I think KageLord's case is a big stretch. Vezo is scummy for other reasons, but not the timing thing.

[Friend]

You seem to be trying to build a case no matter what. Everything about this post (and the one immediately afterwards) seems to be an afterthought. Oh, my original reasons were incorrect; but this is still scummy for this reason. Oh, by the way, and this reason that has already been stated also supports my argument.

And the problem with this is..?
I made a mistake in my original reasoning. Despite that, his other posts were still scummy.

Also, this:

Especially because he unvotes Tasky and then, in his next post, calls Tasky scum. Doesn't match up.

Is neither an afterthought nor was it brought up by anybody else before me. Your logic is flawed.

[Friend]

I questioned enough people to know what should I do tonight.
Don't start to ask me things like this.

What are you talking about here? Why are you telling quadz he can't ask you legitimate questions?

[Friend]

Smash, Chainsaw Defenses aren't a scumtell unless the person someone is defending indireectly is confirmed scum. So attacking people for chainsaws D1 is just lol.

OMG CHAINSAW DEFENSE YOU MUST BE SCUM

[Friend]

@xvart: So I caught something immediately after I posted. Again, what's wrong with that?

[Friend]

Forced? How so?

I'm just trying to show that doubleposting is not a scumtell.

[Friend]

SSBF, just admit you're wrong and let's be done with it. It's more of an MD conversation anyways.

[Friend]

Here's what basically happened, xvart:

I posted, saying vezo's unvote reeked. I submitted it. Then, I thought "boy I should mention why said unvote reeks, or else other people won't understand why." So I clarified.

I never said doubleposting was a scumtell. And the fact that you said you caught something after you posted when there was a minute in between posts is interesting.

You say interesting...interesting as in scummy? Interesting is an INCREDIBLY vague word and it should be banned from scumhunters' vocabulary.

[Friend]

@Mod: Requesting replacement. My apologies.

Okay, no worries.